1. World Of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King / Blizzard / $39 (Average)
2. The Sims 2 Double Deluxe / EA Maxis / $20 (Average)
3. Spore / EA Maxis / $47 (Average)
4. Left 4 Dead / Valve / $41 (Average)
5. World Of Warcraft Battle Chest / Blizzard / $38 (Average)
6. Fallout 3 / Bethesda / $47 (Average)
7. World Of Warcraft / Blizzard / $19 (Average)
8. The Sims 2 Apartment Life Exp. Pack / EA Maxis / $19 (Average)
9. Civilization IV / Firaxis / $24 (Average)
10. Call Of Duty: World At War / Treyarch / $47 (Average)
PC game Sales figures.
WoW was only in the top 10 three times in terms of sales figures from January... at numbers 1, 5, and 7....
I'll see if I can find some more recent numbers...
Thats strange in europe Warcraft and its expansions are normally available for aprox 15 us dollars . I ve argued a long time that its the in game children of school age to play .Which is its strength because kids bow to pier pressure and play . It only takes another game to take its place as the cool game and Warcraft will see a massive decline . Its not if its when and theres no guarantee that wow 2 will appeal if blizzard has such a bad name by the time its released that people think well we saw what they did with wow 1 and we did nt like it .
Well I for one intend to sick around for a while yet. Admittedly that's because my eye sight is bad and I like the bright colours.
I think like anything the numbers of WoW will drop - that's a natural part of a product's life-cycle and Warcraft will be replaced by other games in the public mind. However, the core group will remain and it'll be those who continue to make the game worth playing. After all, I know people who still play Neverwinter Nights online and create new material for it.
You missed?! How could you miss? He was three feet in front of you!!
SaetiaBelle - do you really believe light-brown text will prove your point? You say any nanny play WoW now? Of course, they can have fun and play at their heart's content. But WoW still caters to hardcore. Have you downed Yogg Saron with 0 keepers? How about Algalon on 25 man? Have you reached 9k achi points or more? If not, you have nothing to say here. One of the main reasons WoW is such a success is because grandmothers and even hardcore players like Ensidia can find amusing and challenging ways to play it.
Oh, and btw, I play in a guild where every member is 20+ players, so keep your "only kids play WoW" to yourselves, please. They say AoC is played only by mature and grown up people. Have you ever spent a minute there reading the global chat? I gurantee you, you won't find greater immaturity on any WoW server.
And btw, if there are indeed two new playable races for the next expansion, the faction change will prove to be the most awesome thing ever.
Switching factions? really? How is that a good idea? Really it does not fit into the Warcraft Lore at all but who cares about lore.
WoW is an easy mode game that is getting easier by the day. Only challenge left in WoW are raids and if the majority of the player base has anything to say about it. Raids will become soloable shortly.
SaetiaBelle - do you really believe light-brown text will prove your point? You say any nanny play WoW now? Of course, they can have fun and play at their heart's content. But WoW still caters to hardcore. Have you downed Yogg Saron with 0 keepers? How about Algalon on 25 man? Have you reached 9k achi points or more? If not, you have nothing to say here. One of the main reasons WoW is such a success is because grandmothers and even hardcore players like Ensidia can find amusing and challenging ways to play it. Oh, and btw, I play in a guild where every member is 20+ players, so keep your "only kids play WoW" to yourselves, please. They say AoC is played only by mature and grown up people. Have you ever spent a minute there reading the global chat? I gurantee you, you won't find greater immaturity on any WoW server.
And btw, if there are indeed two new playable races for the next expansion, the faction change will prove to be the most awesome thing ever.
Perhaps the next races should be neutral and players can chose what faction they want to join at character creation....
You missed?! How could you miss? He was three feet in front of you!!
Switching factions? really? How is that a good idea? Really it does not fit into the Warcraft Lore at all but who cares about lore. WoW is an easy mode game that is getting easier by the day. Only challenge left in WoW are raids and if the majority of the player base has anything to say about it. Raids will become soloable shortly.
Here's a trip on the clue train for you; Blizzard wants to make money. I know, crazy, but it's true. Stop the presses. They have to create and manage a game thats played by -millions- of people. Not 50k. Not 300k. Not even 750k, which would be considered a roaring success when used in reference to -any other MMO currently on the market today-. We're talking millions of subscriptions. Creating content that is only seen and accessable by 5% (if that) of your most-obsessive playerbase, then tuning the game to those standards, is IDIOTIC, when you're dealing with millions of paying customers. Of course it's getting "easier". They want to have more people playing, so they get their subscription fees. Most normal people, when dissatisfied with a game, stop playing it. That means no more money for Blizzard. So you think they are going to cater to a bunch of whining r-tards on the internet that will incessantly bitch over any little thing, or will they do what keeps that vast silent majority paying the fees. Tough decision there.
So, keep right on bitching and complaining about it getting easier and more carebear. The people that matter don't care...the people that decide with their wallets. Not with the 'Post Message' button to launch their nerd-rage spazz onto some irrelevant forum.
Good god, it's not like any MMO could be considered hard, unless your idea of hard somehow relates to how much time you can sink into something, pushing the same little buttons in the right sequence over and over. Yeah, super hard.
As for your comment about lore; irrelevant as well. You won't see Orcs running around in Stormwind, or Gnomes hanging out in Orgrimmar. The faction change comes with a racial switch. Your Undead Warlock would become a Human Warlock, etc. Which is why it's taking so long to implement, since they have to come up with a way to translate all the racial-specific crap (mounts, achievements, etc) into the comparable opposite-faction equivelent. If you'd have read even a little bit about this at all, you'd know this. But actual reading and research would prevent people from mindlessly bitching, and who wants that?
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
At the end of the day WoW is just a game and being able to switch factions is a cool little idea. I know I am tired of playing the Horde, and look forward to switching my main to an Alliance race, probably will even transfer to a new server for a fresh start.
Also will let me use my Hierloom items for some Alliance alts I've been toying around with.
Instead of trolling go re-read Ebens post. Then read it again because you probably still didnt get it. ^_^ great post. Mind you 99% of the people moaning here are of the type that go
'the game is too easy - but I darent try hard mode, lest it be hard'
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
At the end of the day WoW is just a game and being able to switch factions is a cool little idea. I know I am tired of playing the Horde, and look forward to switching my main to an Alliance race, probably will even transfer to a new server for a fresh start. Also will let me use my Hierloom items for some Alliance alts I've been toying around with. In terms of gameplay, it's a great idea IMO.
I feel exactly the same way. I've been playing Horde since '06, and only dabbled a bit into the Alliance side here and there. Don't think I've ever had an Alliance toon that got above 25. I know some would scream "oH bt u cud roll a dK n strt @55 ;lol nub"...yeah, that's true, if it weren't for the fact that DKs have replaced Huntards as the most hated class in the game, and will carry that stigma for a while to come.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
Switching factions? really? How is that a good idea? Really it does not fit into the Warcraft Lore at all but who cares about lore. WoW is an easy mode game that is getting easier by the day. Only challenge left in WoW are raids and if the majority of the player base has anything to say about it. Raids will become soloable shortly.
Here's a trip on the clue train for you; Blizzard wants to make money. I know, crazy, but it's true. Stop the presses. They have to create and manage a game thats played by -millions- of people. Not 50k. Not 300k. Not even 750k, which would be considered a roaring success when used in reference to -any other MMO currently on the market today-. We're talking millions of subscriptions. Creating content that is only seen and accessable by 5% (if that) of your most-obsessive playerbase, then tuning the game to those standards, is IDIOTIC, when you're dealing with millions of paying customers. Of course it's getting "easier". They want to have more people playing, so they get their subscription fees. Most normal people, when dissatisfied with a game, stop playing it. That means no more money for Blizzard. So you think they are going to cater to a bunch of whining r-tards on the internet that will incessantly bitch over any little thing, or will they do what keeps that vast silent majority paying the fees. Tough decision there.
So, keep right on bitching and complaining about it getting easier and more carebear. The people that matter don't care...the people that decide with their wallets. Not with the 'Post Message' button to launch their nerd-rage spazz onto some irrelevant forum.
Good god, it's not like any MMO could be considered hard, unless your idea of hard somehow relates to how much time you can sink into something, pushing the same little buttons in the right sequence over and over. Yeah, super hard.
As for your comment about lore; irrelevant as well. You won't see Orcs running around in Stormwind, or Gnomes hanging out in Orgrimmar. The faction change comes with a racial switch. Your Undead Warlock would become a Human Warlock, etc. Which is why it's taking so long to implement, since they have to come up with a way to translate all the racial-specific crap (mounts, achievements, etc) into the comparable opposite-faction equivelent. If you'd have read even a little bit about this at all, you'd know this. But actual reading and research would prevent people from mindlessly bitching, and who wants that?
I did read it... So you can just transfer your charater back and forth with out pulling an effort into building a new toon... hmm seems like "easy" mode to me.
I like to be forced to think and figure things out while playing my MMOs and video games in general. Easy is not fun... Having the developer hold my hand though out the game and not allow me to make mistakes is not fun.
Sure people like WoW because its easy but that is ruining the genre for the rest of us that enjoy having to use that thing between our ears. The more Money Blizzard makes the worst the genre is getting.
Big developers want Blizzard like subs, which is not going to happen but they will keep pumping out these easy mode watered down MMOs with zero challenge involved trying to match WoW. This sucks for us gamers that want to be challenged.
And btw the lore comment is not irrelevant.... So its okay for Darth Vader to transform into a Jedi Knight when ever he feels like not being on the Darkside for the week.... that is basicly the same thing as what WoW is going to let players do.... its wrong. Whats the point of having factions at all? They do not matter what so ever now ... that is what blizzard is saying with this change.
Switching factions? really? How is that a good idea? Really it does not fit into the Warcraft Lore at all but who cares about lore. WoW is an easy mode game that is getting easier by the day. Only challenge left in WoW are raids and if the majority of the player base has anything to say about it. Raids will become soloable shortly.
Here's a trip on the clue train for you; Blizzard wants to make money. I know, crazy, but it's true. Stop the presses. They have to create and manage a game thats played by -millions- of people. Not 50k. Not 300k. Not even 750k, which would be considered a roaring success when used in reference to -any other MMO currently on the market today-. We're talking millions of subscriptions. Creating content that is only seen and accessable by 5% (if that) of your most-obsessive playerbase, then tuning the game to those standards, is IDIOTIC, when you're dealing with millions of paying customers. Of course it's getting "easier". They want to have more people playing, so they get their subscription fees. Most normal people, when dissatisfied with a game, stop playing it. That means no more money for Blizzard. So you think they are going to cater to a bunch of whining r-tards on the internet that will incessantly bitch over any little thing, or will they do what keeps that vast silent majority paying the fees. Tough decision there.
So, keep right on bitching and complaining about it getting easier and more carebear. The people that matter don't care...the people that decide with their wallets. Not with the 'Post Message' button to launch their nerd-rage spazz onto some irrelevant forum.
Good god, it's not like any MMO could be considered hard, unless your idea of hard somehow relates to how much time you can sink into something, pushing the same little buttons in the right sequence over and over. Yeah, super hard.
As for your comment about lore; irrelevant as well. You won't see Orcs running around in Stormwind, or Gnomes hanging out in Orgrimmar. The faction change comes with a racial switch. Your Undead Warlock would become a Human Warlock, etc. Which is why it's taking so long to implement, since they have to come up with a way to translate all the racial-specific crap (mounts, achievements, etc) into the comparable opposite-faction equivelent. If you'd have read even a little bit about this at all, you'd know this. But actual reading and research would prevent people from mindlessly bitching, and who wants that?
I did read it... So you can just transfer your charater back and forth with out pulling an effort into building a new toon... hmm seems like "easy" mode to me.
I like to be forced to think and figure things out while playing my MMOs and video games in general. Easy is not fun... Having the developer hold my hand though out the game and not allow me to make mistakes is not fun.
Sure people like WoW because its easy but that is ruining the genre for the rest of us that enjoy having to use that thing between our ears. The more Money Blizzard makes the worst the genre is getting.
Big developers want Blizzard like subs, which is not going to happen but they will keep pumping out these easy mode watered down MMOs with zero challenge involved trying to match WoW. This sucks for us gamers that want to be challenged.
And btw the lore comment is not irrelevant.... So its okay for Darth Vader to transform into a Jedi Knight when ever he feels like not being on the Darkside for the week.... that is basicly the same thing as what WoW is going to let players do.... its wrong. Whats the point of having factions at all? They do not matter what so ever now ... that is what blizzard is saying with this change.
oh god oh plz oh god oh will you purchase some common sense on ebay plz...
there is a HUGE difference between EASY / HARD and TIME CONSUMING / NOT TIME CONSUMING...
EASY DOESN'T EQUAL TO NOT TIME CONSUMING...
i swear you people have the brains of a RETARD COCKROACH
Switching factions? really? How is that a good idea? Really it does not fit into the Warcraft Lore at all but who cares about lore. WoW is an easy mode game that is getting easier by the day. Only challenge left in WoW are raids and if the majority of the player base has anything to say about it. Raids will become soloable shortly.
Here's a trip on the clue train for you; Blizzard wants to make money. I know, crazy, but it's true. Stop the presses. They have to create and manage a game thats played by -millions- of people. Not 50k. Not 300k. Not even 750k, which would be considered a roaring success when used in reference to -any other MMO currently on the market today-. We're talking millions of subscriptions. Creating content that is only seen and accessable by 5% (if that) of your most-obsessive playerbase, then tuning the game to those standards, is IDIOTIC, when you're dealing with millions of paying customers. Of course it's getting "easier". They want to have more people playing, so they get their subscription fees. Most normal people, when dissatisfied with a game, stop playing it. That means no more money for Blizzard. So you think they are going to cater to a bunch of whining r-tards on the internet that will incessantly bitch over any little thing, or will they do what keeps that vast silent majority paying the fees. Tough decision there.
So, keep right on bitching and complaining about it getting easier and more carebear. The people that matter don't care...the people that decide with their wallets. Not with the 'Post Message' button to launch their nerd-rage spazz onto some irrelevant forum.
Good god, it's not like any MMO could be considered hard, unless your idea of hard somehow relates to how much time you can sink into something, pushing the same little buttons in the right sequence over and over. Yeah, super hard.
As for your comment about lore; irrelevant as well. You won't see Orcs running around in Stormwind, or Gnomes hanging out in Orgrimmar. The faction change comes with a racial switch. Your Undead Warlock would become a Human Warlock, etc. Which is why it's taking so long to implement, since they have to come up with a way to translate all the racial-specific crap (mounts, achievements, etc) into the comparable opposite-faction equivelent. If you'd have read even a little bit about this at all, you'd know this. But actual reading and research would prevent people from mindlessly bitching, and who wants that?
I did read it... So you can just transfer your charater back and forth with out pulling an effort into building a new toon... hmm seems like "easy" mode to me.
I like to be forced to think and figure things out while playing my MMOs and video games in general. Easy is not fun... Having the developer hold my hand though out the game and not allow me to make mistakes is not fun.
Sure people like WoW because its easy but that is ruining the genre for the rest of us that enjoy having to use that thing between our ears. The more Money Blizzard makes the worst the genre is getting.
Big developers want Blizzard like subs, which is not going to happen but they will keep pumping out these easy mode watered down MMOs with zero challenge involved trying to match WoW. This sucks for us gamers that want to be challenged.
And btw the lore comment is not irrelevant.... So its okay for Darth Vader to transform into a Jedi Knight when ever he feels like not being on the Darkside for the week.... that is basicly the same thing as what WoW is going to let players do.... its wrong. Whats the point of having factions at all? They do not matter what so ever now ... that is what blizzard is saying with this change.
oh god oh plz oh god oh will you purchase some common sense on ebay plz...
there is a HUGE difference between EASY / HARD and TIME CONSUMING / NOT TIME CONSUMING...
EASY DOESN'T EQUAL TO NOT TIME CONSUMING...
i swear you people have the brains of a RETARD COCKROACH
No kidding, were did I say that hard = time consuming? ..... Easy has nothing to do with the time involved. Sorry but I have a ton of common sense... you do not. Proved by your post. Where did I say that time consuming = hard in my post?
Its easy because they hold your hand though out the game.... other then raiding,,, you are led by the hand to max level... It requires no skill or thinking at all. Collect the quest, follow your mini map, gain exp... no challenge, no thinking, no problems solving. Video games should require problem solving, thinking and have some challenge to them.
Sorry I like to think and figure things out for myself when playing Video games... including MMOs. WoW guides you though the game. Every quest is marked clearly on your map, how is that not easy?
Maybe if you had to think once in a while you people would understand that easy/hard has nothing to do with time.
Hey, Belle here. Full time mom of 3. Married to Dwayne. Moved to the US some years ago. Love it! "Forget the unwritten, uncollected works of the poet You never were." - a song lyric from Saetia, my fave band in the world.
well very soon you ll be able to change your alliance character into a horde and visa versa . what a horrible idea . i dont know why blizzard are so intent of destroying warcrafts gameplay for short term gain but thats whats happening . i know its still pretty popular but everythings so dumbed down and easy now so as to appeal to kids and this move really takes the cake . but i would like to thank blizzard of curing me of my warcraft addiction every time i think i might go back i see something like this to remind me how godawful things have become in this game now . what a shame .
Blizzard, you are dead to me!!!
...oh wait, they've been dead to me for years now...what the hell am I talking about...
Seem to remember people screaming "this is the end of wow" when blizzard added the features to transfer your toon between PvE and PvP severs, when blizzard added the feature to rename your toon and when blizzard added the feature to change the sex of the toon.
WoW if anything grew stronger after those added features.. for one simple reason, players want these features.
Why wont Blizzard stop giving players what they want? bunch of fools.
BTW: Wotlk is no.2 on the sales charts for last month, vanilia wow and TBC expansion are also in the top 10. WoW is doing fine thankyou.
Seem to remember people screaming "this is the end of wow" when blizzard added the features to transfer your toon between PvE and PvP severs, when blizzard added the feature to rename your toon and when blizzard added the feature to change the sex of the toon. WoW if anything grew stronger after those added features.. for one simple reason, players want these features. Why wont Blizzard stop giving players what they want? bunch of fools. BTW: Wotlk is no.2 on the sales charts for last month, vanilia wow and TBC expansion are also in the top 10. WoW is doing fine thankyou.
WoW is doing fine at the expense of us games that want challenge and problem solving in our game.
WoW is a good game, do not mis understand me... The problem is the better WoW does, the worst the genre gets because everyone wants to get subs like WoW so they copy it. That is my reason for not liking WoW.
The WoW haters are upset over this because it is a feature people actually want. Which means Blizzard will be making a ton more money and will further cement Blizzard as the king of MMOs.
They give reasons like "dumbing down" or "greedy" or even "lore" to make their rants seem less insane.
I guess the idea that an MMO developer would listen to its fans and actually give them what they want(within reason) is such a foreign concept to the WoW haters because something like that never happens with their current favorite MMO.
What would be even of interest to see is Blizzard allowing players on PVE servers factional means to be neutral or even friendly toward the other faction. So if players what to do pvp they have to pay to move to actual pvp servers where the cheating gankers are located....
Can i just point out just because some people want something in game it really does nt make it a good idea . I mean i m sure a lot of younger wow players would love say to be able to pay a fee and change thier class or proffession in warcraft . how about paying a fee so your character can have speacial dance moves .maybe being able to access the battlegrounds anywhere in warcraft and get xp for simply grinding them . that really worked well in warhammer !!!!!. heres another thought allow players to start a new character of any class at level 55 once they have a level 80 and completly anhilate any chance of interesting gameplay from levels 1-54 . i mean its bad enough already that on most servers those leves are now a solo grind because no ones interested in doing mid level instances anymore due to faster leveling . if wow is all about the endgame now let people start an alt at 55 .. these things have to be well thought out before they are implimented and i get the feeling blizzard really dont put much thought into them beyond how much money they can make in the short term . its all about credibility as much as the bottom line because without that sooner or later you heading for a fall .
Seem to remember people screaming "this is the end of wow" when blizzard added the features to transfer your toon between PvE and PvP severs, when blizzard added the feature to rename your toon and when blizzard added the feature to change the sex of the toon. WoW if anything grew stronger after those added features.. for one simple reason, players want these features. Why wont Blizzard stop giving players what they want? bunch of fools. BTW: Wotlk is no.2 on the sales charts for last month, vanilia wow and TBC expansion are also in the top 10. WoW is doing fine thankyou.
WoW is doing fine at the expense of us games that want challenge and problem solving in our game.
WoW is a good game, do not mis understand me... The problem is the better WoW does, the worst the genre gets because everyone wants to get subs like WoW so they copy it. That is my reason for not liking WoW.
For those posting their WOW hate in these forums and react to ANYTHING just to vomit all over a fantastic game with a huge succesful following ...
Reread the blue and think: what is the logic behind this all ???
You don't like WOW because it just is better than what the rest has to offer to get to "the goldmine".
It's the same thing as saying: "Hey Barcelona is a great football team, but it simply is too good so the rest can't compete, so I hate Barcelona."
Great logic.
Tx Blizzard to help out the fans with these constantly new and helping tools.
Just ignore the 1% WoW haters: it is the paying fans that count.
Did you even read my post at all? It is perfect logic... The more money WoW makes, the more companies want to copy it which further moves the genre further from what I as a player like... which is challenging game with a ton of grouping and player choices. Were player skill out ranks items and abilities/spells.
Again WoW is a good game but because of its success more companies will try and copy it and the gamers that are looking for a different kind of MMO are not going to get a game they want.... So again, it is a perfectly logical statement.
I do not hate WOW... I hate that developers are trying to copy WoW because of WoWs success.
The WoW haters are upset over this because it is a feature people actually want. Which means Blizzard will be making a ton more money and will further cement Blizzard as the king of MMOs. They give reasons like "dumbing down" or "greedy" or even "lore" to make their rants seem less insane. I guess the idea that an MMO developer would listen to its fans and actually give them what they want(within reason) is such a foreign concept to the WoW haters because something like that never happens with their current favorite MMO.
Your so full of shit... again read my post.... Read it slowly.... My favorite game listens to its player base. It has been running for 10+ years.
WoW is an easy game not counting the raiding with is less then 5% of the pop of WoW. I do not want a quest grind game,, I do not enjoy them... Hense I do not enjoy WoW. Its not that hard to understand.
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Thats strange in europe Warcraft and its expansions are normally available for aprox 15 us dollars . I ve argued a long time that its the in game children of school age to play .Which is its strength because kids bow to pier pressure and play . It only takes another game to take its place as the cool game and Warcraft will see a massive decline . Its not if its when and theres no guarantee that wow 2 will appeal if blizzard has such a bad name by the time its released that people think well we saw what they did with wow 1 and we did nt like it .
Well I for one intend to sick around for a while yet. Admittedly that's because my eye sight is bad and I like the bright colours.
I think like anything the numbers of WoW will drop - that's a natural part of a product's life-cycle and Warcraft will be replaced by other games in the public mind. However, the core group will remain and it'll be those who continue to make the game worth playing. After all, I know people who still play Neverwinter Nights online and create new material for it.
You missed?! How could you miss? He was three feet in front of you!!
hmm changin faction is actually realistic in warcraft lore.
those damn humans are backstabin bastards and morons in every warcraft 3+tft mission.
SaetiaBelle - do you really believe light-brown text will prove your point? You say any nanny play WoW now? Of course, they can have fun and play at their heart's content. But WoW still caters to hardcore. Have you downed Yogg Saron with 0 keepers? How about Algalon on 25 man? Have you reached 9k achi points or more? If not, you have nothing to say here. One of the main reasons WoW is such a success is because grandmothers and even hardcore players like Ensidia can find amusing and challenging ways to play it.
Oh, and btw, I play in a guild where every member is 20+ players, so keep your "only kids play WoW" to yourselves, please. They say AoC is played only by mature and grown up people. Have you ever spent a minute there reading the global chat? I gurantee you, you won't find greater immaturity on any WoW server.
And btw, if there are indeed two new playable races for the next expansion, the faction change will prove to be the most awesome thing ever.
Switching factions? really? How is that a good idea? Really it does not fit into the Warcraft Lore at all but who cares about lore.
WoW is an easy mode game that is getting easier by the day. Only challenge left in WoW are raids and if the majority of the player base has anything to say about it. Raids will become soloable shortly.
Sooner or Later
Perhaps the next races should be neutral and players can chose what faction they want to join at character creation....
You missed?! How could you miss? He was three feet in front of you!!
Here's a trip on the clue train for you; Blizzard wants to make money. I know, crazy, but it's true. Stop the presses. They have to create and manage a game thats played by -millions- of people. Not 50k. Not 300k. Not even 750k, which would be considered a roaring success when used in reference to -any other MMO currently on the market today-. We're talking millions of subscriptions. Creating content that is only seen and accessable by 5% (if that) of your most-obsessive playerbase, then tuning the game to those standards, is IDIOTIC, when you're dealing with millions of paying customers. Of course it's getting "easier". They want to have more people playing, so they get their subscription fees. Most normal people, when dissatisfied with a game, stop playing it. That means no more money for Blizzard. So you think they are going to cater to a bunch of whining r-tards on the internet that will incessantly bitch over any little thing, or will they do what keeps that vast silent majority paying the fees. Tough decision there.
So, keep right on bitching and complaining about it getting easier and more carebear. The people that matter don't care...the people that decide with their wallets. Not with the 'Post Message' button to launch their nerd-rage spazz onto some irrelevant forum.
Good god, it's not like any MMO could be considered hard, unless your idea of hard somehow relates to how much time you can sink into something, pushing the same little buttons in the right sequence over and over. Yeah, super hard.
As for your comment about lore; irrelevant as well. You won't see Orcs running around in Stormwind, or Gnomes hanging out in Orgrimmar. The faction change comes with a racial switch. Your Undead Warlock would become a Human Warlock, etc. Which is why it's taking so long to implement, since they have to come up with a way to translate all the racial-specific crap (mounts, achievements, etc) into the comparable opposite-faction equivelent. If you'd have read even a little bit about this at all, you'd know this. But actual reading and research would prevent people from mindlessly bitching, and who wants that?
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
At the end of the day WoW is just a game and being able to switch factions is a cool little idea. I know I am tired of playing the Horde, and look forward to switching my main to an Alliance race, probably will even transfer to a new server for a fresh start.
Also will let me use my Hierloom items for some Alliance alts I've been toying around with.
In terms of gameplay, it's a great idea IMO.
Your opinion is immaterial.
Instead of trolling go re-read Ebens post. Then read it again because you probably still didnt get it. ^_^ great post. Mind you 99% of the people moaning here are of the type that go
'the game is too easy - but I darent try hard mode, lest it be hard'
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
I feel exactly the same way. I've been playing Horde since '06, and only dabbled a bit into the Alliance side here and there. Don't think I've ever had an Alliance toon that got above 25. I know some would scream "oH bt u cud roll a dK n strt @55 ;lol nub"...yeah, that's true, if it weren't for the fact that DKs have replaced Huntards as the most hated class in the game, and will carry that stigma for a while to come.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
Personal opinions aside.
People have asked for it and Blizzard has complied. Plus it makes them extra money.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
Here's a trip on the clue train for you; Blizzard wants to make money. I know, crazy, but it's true. Stop the presses. They have to create and manage a game thats played by -millions- of people. Not 50k. Not 300k. Not even 750k, which would be considered a roaring success when used in reference to -any other MMO currently on the market today-. We're talking millions of subscriptions. Creating content that is only seen and accessable by 5% (if that) of your most-obsessive playerbase, then tuning the game to those standards, is IDIOTIC, when you're dealing with millions of paying customers. Of course it's getting "easier". They want to have more people playing, so they get their subscription fees. Most normal people, when dissatisfied with a game, stop playing it. That means no more money for Blizzard. So you think they are going to cater to a bunch of whining r-tards on the internet that will incessantly bitch over any little thing, or will they do what keeps that vast silent majority paying the fees. Tough decision there.
So, keep right on bitching and complaining about it getting easier and more carebear. The people that matter don't care...the people that decide with their wallets. Not with the 'Post Message' button to launch their nerd-rage spazz onto some irrelevant forum.
Good god, it's not like any MMO could be considered hard, unless your idea of hard somehow relates to how much time you can sink into something, pushing the same little buttons in the right sequence over and over. Yeah, super hard.
As for your comment about lore; irrelevant as well. You won't see Orcs running around in Stormwind, or Gnomes hanging out in Orgrimmar. The faction change comes with a racial switch. Your Undead Warlock would become a Human Warlock, etc. Which is why it's taking so long to implement, since they have to come up with a way to translate all the racial-specific crap (mounts, achievements, etc) into the comparable opposite-faction equivelent. If you'd have read even a little bit about this at all, you'd know this. But actual reading and research would prevent people from mindlessly bitching, and who wants that?
I did read it... So you can just transfer your charater back and forth with out pulling an effort into building a new toon... hmm seems like "easy" mode to me.
I like to be forced to think and figure things out while playing my MMOs and video games in general. Easy is not fun... Having the developer hold my hand though out the game and not allow me to make mistakes is not fun.
Sure people like WoW because its easy but that is ruining the genre for the rest of us that enjoy having to use that thing between our ears. The more Money Blizzard makes the worst the genre is getting.
Big developers want Blizzard like subs, which is not going to happen but they will keep pumping out these easy mode watered down MMOs with zero challenge involved trying to match WoW. This sucks for us gamers that want to be challenged.
And btw the lore comment is not irrelevant.... So its okay for Darth Vader to transform into a Jedi Knight when ever he feels like not being on the Darkside for the week.... that is basicly the same thing as what WoW is going to let players do.... its wrong. Whats the point of having factions at all? They do not matter what so ever now ... that is what blizzard is saying with this change.
Sooner or Later
So to the OP, a company giving players more choices regarding their play style is bad?
More choice is always good, it keeps the game fresh and a change like this is what keeps Blizzard on top.
Here's a trip on the clue train for you; Blizzard wants to make money. I know, crazy, but it's true. Stop the presses. They have to create and manage a game thats played by -millions- of people. Not 50k. Not 300k. Not even 750k, which would be considered a roaring success when used in reference to -any other MMO currently on the market today-. We're talking millions of subscriptions. Creating content that is only seen and accessable by 5% (if that) of your most-obsessive playerbase, then tuning the game to those standards, is IDIOTIC, when you're dealing with millions of paying customers. Of course it's getting "easier". They want to have more people playing, so they get their subscription fees. Most normal people, when dissatisfied with a game, stop playing it. That means no more money for Blizzard. So you think they are going to cater to a bunch of whining r-tards on the internet that will incessantly bitch over any little thing, or will they do what keeps that vast silent majority paying the fees. Tough decision there.
So, keep right on bitching and complaining about it getting easier and more carebear. The people that matter don't care...the people that decide with their wallets. Not with the 'Post Message' button to launch their nerd-rage spazz onto some irrelevant forum.
Good god, it's not like any MMO could be considered hard, unless your idea of hard somehow relates to how much time you can sink into something, pushing the same little buttons in the right sequence over and over. Yeah, super hard.
As for your comment about lore; irrelevant as well. You won't see Orcs running around in Stormwind, or Gnomes hanging out in Orgrimmar. The faction change comes with a racial switch. Your Undead Warlock would become a Human Warlock, etc. Which is why it's taking so long to implement, since they have to come up with a way to translate all the racial-specific crap (mounts, achievements, etc) into the comparable opposite-faction equivelent. If you'd have read even a little bit about this at all, you'd know this. But actual reading and research would prevent people from mindlessly bitching, and who wants that?
I did read it... So you can just transfer your charater back and forth with out pulling an effort into building a new toon... hmm seems like "easy" mode to me.
I like to be forced to think and figure things out while playing my MMOs and video games in general. Easy is not fun... Having the developer hold my hand though out the game and not allow me to make mistakes is not fun.
Sure people like WoW because its easy but that is ruining the genre for the rest of us that enjoy having to use that thing between our ears. The more Money Blizzard makes the worst the genre is getting.
Big developers want Blizzard like subs, which is not going to happen but they will keep pumping out these easy mode watered down MMOs with zero challenge involved trying to match WoW. This sucks for us gamers that want to be challenged.
And btw the lore comment is not irrelevant.... So its okay for Darth Vader to transform into a Jedi Knight when ever he feels like not being on the Darkside for the week.... that is basicly the same thing as what WoW is going to let players do.... its wrong. Whats the point of having factions at all? They do not matter what so ever now ... that is what blizzard is saying with this change.
oh god oh plz oh god oh will you purchase some common sense on ebay plz...
there is a HUGE difference between EASY / HARD and TIME CONSUMING / NOT TIME CONSUMING...
EASY DOESN'T EQUAL TO NOT TIME CONSUMING...
i swear you people have the brains of a RETARD COCKROACH
Here's a trip on the clue train for you; Blizzard wants to make money. I know, crazy, but it's true. Stop the presses. They have to create and manage a game thats played by -millions- of people. Not 50k. Not 300k. Not even 750k, which would be considered a roaring success when used in reference to -any other MMO currently on the market today-. We're talking millions of subscriptions. Creating content that is only seen and accessable by 5% (if that) of your most-obsessive playerbase, then tuning the game to those standards, is IDIOTIC, when you're dealing with millions of paying customers. Of course it's getting "easier". They want to have more people playing, so they get their subscription fees. Most normal people, when dissatisfied with a game, stop playing it. That means no more money for Blizzard. So you think they are going to cater to a bunch of whining r-tards on the internet that will incessantly bitch over any little thing, or will they do what keeps that vast silent majority paying the fees. Tough decision there.
So, keep right on bitching and complaining about it getting easier and more carebear. The people that matter don't care...the people that decide with their wallets. Not with the 'Post Message' button to launch their nerd-rage spazz onto some irrelevant forum.
Good god, it's not like any MMO could be considered hard, unless your idea of hard somehow relates to how much time you can sink into something, pushing the same little buttons in the right sequence over and over. Yeah, super hard.
As for your comment about lore; irrelevant as well. You won't see Orcs running around in Stormwind, or Gnomes hanging out in Orgrimmar. The faction change comes with a racial switch. Your Undead Warlock would become a Human Warlock, etc. Which is why it's taking so long to implement, since they have to come up with a way to translate all the racial-specific crap (mounts, achievements, etc) into the comparable opposite-faction equivelent. If you'd have read even a little bit about this at all, you'd know this. But actual reading and research would prevent people from mindlessly bitching, and who wants that?
I did read it... So you can just transfer your charater back and forth with out pulling an effort into building a new toon... hmm seems like "easy" mode to me.
I like to be forced to think and figure things out while playing my MMOs and video games in general. Easy is not fun... Having the developer hold my hand though out the game and not allow me to make mistakes is not fun.
Sure people like WoW because its easy but that is ruining the genre for the rest of us that enjoy having to use that thing between our ears. The more Money Blizzard makes the worst the genre is getting.
Big developers want Blizzard like subs, which is not going to happen but they will keep pumping out these easy mode watered down MMOs with zero challenge involved trying to match WoW. This sucks for us gamers that want to be challenged.
And btw the lore comment is not irrelevant.... So its okay for Darth Vader to transform into a Jedi Knight when ever he feels like not being on the Darkside for the week.... that is basicly the same thing as what WoW is going to let players do.... its wrong. Whats the point of having factions at all? They do not matter what so ever now ... that is what blizzard is saying with this change.
oh god oh plz oh god oh will you purchase some common sense on ebay plz...
there is a HUGE difference between EASY / HARD and TIME CONSUMING / NOT TIME CONSUMING...
EASY DOESN'T EQUAL TO NOT TIME CONSUMING...
i swear you people have the brains of a RETARD COCKROACH
No kidding, were did I say that hard = time consuming? ..... Easy has nothing to do with the time involved. Sorry but I have a ton of common sense... you do not. Proved by your post. Where did I say that time consuming = hard in my post?
Its easy because they hold your hand though out the game.... other then raiding,,, you are led by the hand to max level... It requires no skill or thinking at all. Collect the quest, follow your mini map, gain exp... no challenge, no thinking, no problems solving. Video games should require problem solving, thinking and have some challenge to them.
Sorry I like to think and figure things out for myself when playing Video games... including MMOs. WoW guides you though the game. Every quest is marked clearly on your map, how is that not easy?
Maybe if you had to think once in a while you people would understand that easy/hard has nothing to do with time.
Sooner or Later
"Forget the unwritten, uncollected works of the poet
You never were." - a song lyric from Saetia, my fave band in the world.
Blizzard, you are dead to me!!!
...oh wait, they've been dead to me for years now...what the hell am I talking about...
Seem to remember people screaming "this is the end of wow" when blizzard added the features to transfer your toon between PvE and PvP severs, when blizzard added the feature to rename your toon and when blizzard added the feature to change the sex of the toon.
WoW if anything grew stronger after those added features.. for one simple reason, players want these features.
Why wont Blizzard stop giving players what they want? bunch of fools.
BTW: Wotlk is no.2 on the sales charts for last month, vanilia wow and TBC expansion are also in the top 10. WoW is doing fine thankyou.
WoW is doing fine at the expense of us games that want challenge and problem solving in our game.
WoW is a good game, do not mis understand me... The problem is the better WoW does, the worst the genre gets because everyone wants to get subs like WoW so they copy it. That is my reason for not liking WoW.
Sooner or Later
I don't care what little features or gimmicks they add, I'm never subbing again. At least not until they do a complete overhaul of class balance.
The WoW haters are upset over this because it is a feature people actually want. Which means Blizzard will be making a ton more money and will further cement Blizzard as the king of MMOs.
They give reasons like "dumbing down" or "greedy" or even "lore" to make their rants seem less insane.
I guess the idea that an MMO developer would listen to its fans and actually give them what they want(within reason) is such a foreign concept to the WoW haters because something like that never happens with their current favorite MMO.
What would be even of interest to see is Blizzard allowing players on PVE servers factional means to be neutral or even friendly toward the other faction. So if players what to do pvp they have to pay to move to actual pvp servers where the cheating gankers are located....
WoW is doing fine at the expense of us games that want challenge and problem solving in our game.
WoW is a good game, do not mis understand me... The problem is the better WoW does, the worst the genre gets because everyone wants to get subs like WoW so they copy it. That is my reason for not liking WoW.
For those posting their WOW hate in these forums and react to ANYTHING just to vomit all over a fantastic game with a huge succesful following ...
Reread the blue and think: what is the logic behind this all ???
You don't like WOW because it just is better than what the rest has to offer to get to "the goldmine".
It's the same thing as saying: "Hey Barcelona is a great football team, but it simply is too good so the rest can't compete, so I hate Barcelona."
Great logic.
Tx Blizzard to help out the fans with these constantly new and helping tools.
Just ignore the 1% WoW haters: it is the paying fans that count.
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Did you even read my post at all? It is perfect logic... The more money WoW makes, the more companies want to copy it which further moves the genre further from what I as a player like... which is challenging game with a ton of grouping and player choices. Were player skill out ranks items and abilities/spells.
Again WoW is a good game but because of its success more companies will try and copy it and the gamers that are looking for a different kind of MMO are not going to get a game they want.... So again, it is a perfectly logical statement.
I do not hate WOW... I hate that developers are trying to copy WoW because of WoWs success.
Sooner or Later
Your so full of shit... again read my post.... Read it slowly.... My favorite game listens to its player base. It has been running for 10+ years.
WoW is an easy game not counting the raiding with is less then 5% of the pop of WoW. I do not want a quest grind game,, I do not enjoy them... Hense I do not enjoy WoW. Its not that hard to understand.
Sooner or Later