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Champions reported as free to play mmo
green13
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Bill obviously missed these folk with his demystifier.
Of course they can be forgiven for assuming there won't be a subscription. It's not like anyone in their right mind would try to release a subscription mmo with microtransactions...
http://www.unigamesity.com/champions-online-microtransaction-system-detailed/
With Champions Online getting closer and closer, it is time to find out how much of it will be experienced via microtransactions only. In other words, do we have to actually pay in order to enjoy Champions Online, Cryptic’s upcoming MMO? The short answer would be: thankfully, no. The long answer is below, as posted by Cryptic’s Bill Roper:
“There are the basic tenets for our micro-transactions:
- The vast majority are aesthetic items, such as costume pieces, action figures, emblems, etc.
- A very few are account-level management tools, such as being able to rename a character
- Micro-transactions should never limit your ability to enjoy the game or reach the level cap
- Any micro-transaction that has a game effect can also be earned in the game through play”
Roper also said that these microtransactions in Champions Online will be account-wide (meaning that all the characters in that account will benefit from the purchase). Add to that the fact that the pre-orders offer in-game currency which will allow you to get your own stuff as bonuses, and I think you’ll have a pretty solid idea regarding the microtransactions system in this promising MMORPG. And, as long as it remains the same and the core game will be free to play, I think we can all declare ourselves satisfied.
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I'm not so sure about that. The answer by Roper is a carbon copy from the official forums, where there is no mention of F2P. Unless of course they changed their minds recently.
Roper has explicitly said on a number of occasions that they will launch with subscriptions. But whoever wrote this article probably didn't scour the web to piece together Cryptic's cryptic payment model.
...do we have to actually pay in order to enjoy Champions Online, Cryptic’s upcoming MMO? The short answer would be: thankfully, no.
And, as long as it remains the same and the core game will be free to play, I think we can all declare ourselves satisfied.
It amuses me on several levels
Never heard of the site. The quote contains nothing about F2P, seems more like the writer assumes it is F2P because of how stupid the idea of doing subscription and RMT(as in item shop) is.
Bottom line, that source is not overly trustworthy.
The title of the thread is Champions reported as free to play mmo not Champions to be free to play mmo
And I preceded the article with:
Of course they can be forgiven for assuming there won't be a subscription. It's not like anyone in their right mind would try to release a subscription mmo with microtransactions...
Yea, except WoW, WAR, CoX, just about every SoE game.... but those are all failures.
Granted these games were not released with a MT system, but they all have one now + a monthly subscription.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
hmm i'm not to sure to believe this...
Is there a topic about that on the official CO forums or website?
Yea, except WoW, WAR, CoX, just about every SoE game.... but those are all failures.
Granted these games were not released with a MT system, but they all have one now + a monthly subscription.
I'm sorry but WoW and possibly WAR do not (unless they added a MT shop once I left). WoW definitely does not have an RMT shop. Unless you believe Roper's spin about how putting a price barrier on account management suddenly equates selling ingame items for RL cash.
Personally I don't care if the account barrier is money or time or both. Why? Because I don't want people to change their character names/gender/race/whatever or servers etc every other day. It makes exploiting and scamming so much easier.
Yea, except WoW, WAR, CoX, just about every SoE game.... but those are all failures.
Granted these games were not released with a MT system, but they all have one now + a monthly subscription.
I'm sorry but WoW and possibly WAR do not (unless they added a MT shop once I left). WoW definitely does not have an RMT shop. Unless you believe Roper's spin about how putting a price barrier on account management suddenly equates selling ingame items for RL cash.
Yea Server Transfer/Character changes aren't Micro-transactions.
Some people think the TCG and Blizzcon stuff are a forum of MTs, tho.
I don't, those are just extras for buying the cards or going to Blizzcon.
The loot cards are completely random.
If you are buying tickets to Blizzcon just for the in-game pet or suit you're just plain stupid.
Yeah, I'm always amazed at how people think the $25 account service fee for moving servers is a revenue thing, when the cost is only so high to make it a disincentive. There was obviously demand for this service - friends who might have started playing on different servers wanting to hook up - but they also don't want griefers and scammers just hopping from server to server.
If I've learnt one thing about Cryptic, it's the same thing I've learnt about Bill Roper.
These guys are just out and out liars. The kiss of death.
In my experience with their previous titles it is much better to just completely ignore them. Block you ears sing la la la and play the game for as long is you find it fun.
I think I'll play this game for a while on release. Doubtless Bill and his buddies will ruin it for me soon enough.
If it's subscription I'll pay it, if it's F2P I'll play it and not feel shy about paying for microtransactions either, they build groovey gameworlds and I'd like to explore another. The one thing I won't do is listen to Bill Roper or any of the other Cryptic dicks explaining things to me ever again. They have earnt their zero level of trust with the community already. Any press release with their name on it isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
He isn't mis-reporting, he just worded things poorly. It's clear to me that when he asks if we have to pay to enjoy CO he is speaking specifically about micro-transactions and then follows up the "Thankfully No" with Roper's quote about M-Ts only being for aesthetic items. In other words, we don't have to pay for M-Ts to enjoy CO.
Personally my first reaction to the thread title was fairly negative. I do see the benefit in a F2P game attracting many more players, but I also don't want to play an MMO without the financial support of a required monthly subscription. Micro-Transactions will never provide anywhere near the same financial support and so the game will never be as good as it could be.
Yea, except WoW, WAR, CoX, just about every SoE game.... but those are all failures.
Granted these games were not released with a MT system, but they all have one now + a monthly subscription.
I'm sorry but WoW and possibly WAR do not (unless they added a MT shop once I left). WoW definitely does not have an RMT shop. Unless you believe Roper's spin about how putting a price barrier on account management suddenly equates selling ingame items for RL cash.
Yea Server Transfer/Character changes aren't Micro-transactions.
Some people think the TCG and Blizzcon stuff are a forum of MTs, tho.
I don't, those are just extras for buying the cards or going to Blizzcon.
The loot cards are completely random.
If you are buying tickets to Blizzcon just for the in-game pet or suit you're just plain stupid.
Haha! You're being awfully selective just to justify your opinion.
First, WoW does a MT shop. Its just not owned or operated by Blizzard. Two, there is no denying that thousands of people bought the cards ONLY for the in game items. Three, server transfers and character changes are MT's by every definition of the word. Four, would you rather play the lottery in hopes of winning or would you rather have a guarantee that you're money will purchase what you want?
Are you saying that if Cryptic changed their MT shop so that when you spend money you may or may not get a random reward, that you would prefer that?
I actually wouldn't mind paying the fee if there was one to pay. Mainly because the game seems great so far, I'm like a huge fan of Super-Hero game and honestly I think there would be more updates faster if Cryptic recieved money from players.
There are some games that don't worth paying but this game honestly does. I can't say for sure now, I havn't played yet, but my hopes are set high.
See the other thread about Blizzard and RMT, aka why the card game is definitely not RMT, unless of course you force yourself to be convinced about it. The card game is just that, a card game. You can play it and don't touch WoW at all. Just like you can play Magic the Gathering, or D&D card game, or any of the other variations of card games out there. Yes, there is a small chance for a vanity WoW pet. But the main purpose of the card game is the card game itself, not the vanity pet.
Next we'll be arguing about how Blizzard is enforcing RMT in WoW by selling T-shirts and hats. Please, lets drop this very thin argument.
Edit: Oh, and I wouldn't have any issue if CO RMT was only about account management tools, but alas, they sell ingame features on top of the subscription, aka, two subscription models combined.
To Withdemon:
This double subscription model reeks desperation, in my opinion. They assume they won't get enough subscriptions, or the people won't stick long with their game, so they seem to try and squeeze as much cash as possible from those who are going to play the game. I had high hopes for this game, but alas ...
Ten Ton Hammer: It seems like a main concern centers on the notion that MTs can potentially negate the efforts of tackling high-end content, or that you might be removing certain ‘carrots’ in the game.
Bill Roper: Absolutely not. The thing is there will be a lot of things we’ll never micro-transact. And one of the things we put out there – less because it’s planned, and more because it’s making sure people understood it – was the fact that if we were to ever put anything out that did have a game effect, there would be a way to earn it. I think that’s really important.
If there was some item that had an effect in-game that would give you - I’m going to make something up, so this is not an item in-game or anything – so something that gave you maybe an increased energy regeneration rate or something along those lines, there would be a way for you to get that in the game. I think that the biggest thing though, with the items that people are going to get though micro-transactions there will be some things where maybe that will be the only way you can get them yet none of them are things where you might say, “man, I can’t believe I didn’t get that” whereas there’s tons and tons and tons and tons more things that you can only get by playing the game.
So again, micro-transactions aren’t the focus, a lot of things are simply going to be, I guess you’d say, ‘vanity’ items. But we want to have things like that in the game that players do push for and want to get.
So this is off Ten-Ton hammer site and it clearly says that any in game item with an effect will be able to be earned and bought. Now WoW with the whole card game and having items you can ONLY get with the cards THAT do have an in game effect that you CAN NOT get in game just SCREAMS RMT . So how you can still not see that the card game is a RMT is just way beyond me. They have points you get to buy items ..... its RMT. You can dress a wolf as a sheep but at the end of the day its still a wolf !
I'm still going to buy the game RMT are not a problem. If ppl want that mount now great i'll go and earn mine (wait unless i play WoW and want that cool chicken mount then i have to buy 900 packs of cards) .
Played Aoc/DDO/FFXI/WAR / LoTRo / CO / Aion
Playing Rift
Waiting for FFXIV to be the game it should. so sad =(
Well there has yet to be an official announcement from Cryptic on wether there will be a monthly fee or not. I know Mr Roper in one interview stated that Champions is not centered around MT's but yet he did not say if there definitely would going to be a monthly fee. I guess many assume there will be because traditionally mmos use the subscription model. I'm guessing there will be a subscription but wether it is 15 dollas or not has yet to be determined.
we know that there will be a monthly fee, that has been said officially, it's not up for discussion. the time card on amazon costs 30$ for 60 days.
What Xasapis said there is how I see the card game. Sure you can't get the items any other way, but really those are just meant to be a bonus if you play the card game and WoW. It's not meant to be the main reason why you buy the cards.
What Xasapis said there is how I see the card game. Sure you can't get the items any other way, but really those are just meant to be a bonus if you play the card game and WoW. It's not meant to be the main reason why you buy the cards.
Well if this is how you really feel....... when you get that pet and all those points send me a PM so i can sell it on e-bay for $ 200.00 +++
Played Aoc/DDO/FFXI/WAR / LoTRo / CO / Aion
Playing Rift
Waiting for FFXIV to be the game it should. so sad =(
if it is f2p with micro transaction then screw that im not touching this game.
What Xasapis said there is how I see the card game. Sure you can't get the items any other way, but really those are just meant to be a bonus if you play the card game and WoW. It's not meant to be the main reason why you buy the cards.
Well if this is how you really feel....... when you get that pet and all those points send me a PM so i can sell it on e-bay for $ 200.00 +++
I don't buy the cards because I don't play the TCG.
edit: nevermind
Currently restarting World of Warcraft
No assumptions. From the mouth of your beloved Mr Roper:
http://mmorpg.gamesource.it/Articolo/113/Champions-Online--Intervista-a-Bill-Roper-2.html
We’re launching with a subscription model, but are open to alternate methods of delivering different components – not just with Champions Online, but from a company-wide perspective.
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=73922 i am sure it says free 30days and subscription required though free to play would be awesome i would have to buy the box but the download will be hellish for me some information included in the link as well as videos below the pre order box blah blaah
Like pong i keep bouncing back and forth between games.