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It is obvious that none of these folks know anything about the foundational principles of the United States. It's not that they don't believe in liberty -- they don't even have enough understanding of WHAT IT IS in order to have a real considered opinion on it.
They don't know what government is, what socialism is -- they just parrot what sounds good -- what everyone learned in kindergarten. It's nice to share.
Therefore it is okay to force people to share. Therefore socialism is good.
This is where our education system has failed...or succeeded, depending on your point of view. If they wanted an uneducated electorate to rule, the education system is qorking perfectly.
Sadly, this socialism crap needs to run its course as it is doing in Europe. People can't just learn from the failures of others -- no, they need to fail themselves.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Exactly. It is misleading when people say, "hey, the rich from Europe come here for health care." THEY AIN'T GOING TO YOUR HOSPITAL OR USING YOUR INSURANCE!! Some little people or average people or regular or sixpack or whatever think so. When they hear they have the "best health care system in the world," they think it is the care that THEY receive.
Same for education. They go to some sort of football university and believe, "hey, we have the best universities in the world."
WE are dealing with, in my view, the consequences of a dumbed-down public.
EDIT: It sounds fierce, but what is more fierce than being without a job and health care? What is more fierce than giving-up your rights with Constitutional Amendments? What is more fierce than fighting multiple wars that are neither winnable nor losable? What is more fierce than being in foreclosure? What is more fierce than being in a credit card trap? Calling them dumbed-down is not offensive or a theory; it is what is obvious. They are still mourning the loss of a celebrity, and I am mourning the social, political, economic inequality I see.
After tirelessly searching for the free-markets solution to US health care costs, I have finally found it!
Medical Tourism
McKinsey and Company estimates that medical tourism gross revenues were more than $40 billion worldwide in 2004, with projections slated for $100 billion by 2012. The National Center for Policy Analysis, a nonprofit, nonpartisan public policy research organization, says that an estimated 500,000 Americans traveled abroad for treatment in 2005.
Looks like the major health insurance providers are looking for a way to incorporate medical tourism into their business model:
CIGNA HealthCare is another health plan considering how to approach medical tourism. “In general, we view medical tourism as an evolutionary step in health care consumerism—promoting greater choice, access to affordable health care, and cost transparency,” says Jacquelyn Aube, vice president of product development, CIGNA HealthCare, Bloomfield, Connecticut.
Again, if you like your plan, keep it. Honestly, who doesn't want to take a trip to Thailand for a heart valve replacement?
High health care costs are the direct result of government intervention, regulation, and control over the marketplace. Look at all the areas of our life where government is involved -- the more government, the more the costs are out of control. This shows itself quite nicely in health care, where government is the largest single buyer and is also involved in every aspect of the system from patient to treatment.
We need to go beyond the ways of the pass -- government has had its chance at solving this and it has failed. Time to entertain new solutions.
I do however understand it is difficult for those who favor tired old failures like socialism to think outside the box.
fishermage.blogspot.com
High health care costs are the direct result of government intervention, regulation, and control over the marketplace. Look at all the areas of our life where government is involved -- the more government, the more the costs are out of control. This shows itself quite nicely in health care, where government is the largest single buyer and is also involved in every aspect of the system from patient to treatment.
We need to go beyond the ways of the pass -- government has had its chance at solving this and it has failed. Time to entertain new solutions.
I do however understand it is difficult for those who favor tired old failures like socialism to think outside the box.
You do realize that you've said "socialism" more times than you've said "health" in this discussion, right?
You should use it more sparingly, so it doesn't lose it's impact.
High health care costs are the direct result of government intervention, regulation, and control over the marketplace. Look at all the areas of our life where government is involved -- the more government, the more the costs are out of control. This shows itself quite nicely in health care, where government is the largest single buyer and is also involved in every aspect of the system from patient to treatment.
We need to go beyond the ways of the pass -- government has had its chance at solving this and it has failed. Time to entertain new solutions.
I do however understand it is difficult for those who favor tired old failures like socialism to think outside the box.
You do realize that you've said "socialism" more times than you've said "health" in this discussion, right?
You should use it more sparingly, so it doesn't lose it's impact.
I'm just calling it what it is; I'm not here to manipulate anyone merely having a discussion about the nature of government in a free society. I favor the 'classical liberal" or free market or libertarian approach as opposed to the socialist approach. It's not about "impact" as much as using the proper term to define what one means.
You favor socialism and I don't. If you would like to quibble over definitions, since I guess you don't favor a pure socialism, you favor a more socialist-based solution, and I favor a more market-based one. I am claiming taht we have been trying YOUR solution -- adding more and more government into the mess -- for decades now, and it has made matter worse. I would like to leave that old socialist carcass behind. You want to adopt a more pure form, and are claiming, THIS time we'll get it right. I don't believe you.
I want to try freedom for a change.
We differ in the amount of freedom we should have in health economics. You want more power in the government's hands, I want less.
It is what it is. Socialism. I wish it had no impact. It's a dead concept of the past, no reason people should be trying to revive it yet AGAIN.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Fishermage,
Are you being facetious or are you serious when you support "deregulating" the health care industry? I mean, it sounds to ME you want some sort of wild, wild West health care system because you mistakenly believe it is "free market."
EDIT: In a weird sense, I want to end the regulation in terms of industry preventing Americans from purchasing pharmaceutical drugs from Canada; from have more choice; and from choosing their hospital. We need to fundamentally change the health care system in the United States that leaves a tiny (very tiny) minority grossly over-insured, millions grossly under-insured, and millions totally without coverage.
declared, are you being facetious or are you serious when you are asking Fishermage is he being facetious or serious when every other word he posts is "freedom", "tyrants", "liberty", "socialism", "patriotism", "tyranny" and "oppression" in a discussion where everyone else is talking about healthcare?
"TO MICHAEL!"
Better watch out...
Palin had a picnic today in Alaska in which she actually interacted with her constituents...
She had the nerve to even eat food there, talk to soldiers, and give a speech about America. I can see how this kind of behavior is such a threat to you guys...
I mean afterall, Obama gives "Town meetings" in which his poll numbers go DOWN, and Palin...well...she's just too stupid to understand politics....how dare she say we should not apologize for being americans....the shame of it all...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25408.html
This just proves once again that you liberals are terrified of this woman.
I am willing to bet $1000 right now that if palin runs for president in 2012, she will lose by at least 5%. I would go 10%, but the amount of crazy people always seems to surprise me.
Who wants to take the bet?
The Official God FAQ
I would do way more than simply deregulate. Socialism got us into this mess, liberty is the only road out of it. I don't want anythig "wild west," I want things free. Liberty works. You have tried every socialist scam and Ponzi scheme in every country on earth -- all have failed. Time to try the thing that you are so afraid of -- let the people be free.
fishermage.blogspot.com
I would d way more than simply deregulate. Socialism got us into this mess, liberty is the only road out of it. I don't want anythig "wild west," I was things free. Liberty works. You have tried every socialist scam and Ponzi scheme in every country on earth -- all have failed. Time to try the thing that you are so afraid of -- let the people be free.
You know, I told myself not to click the "Show Post" button as I knew it was going to be the same, regurgitated, maniacal, propagandist crap from you. But, my curiosity got the better of me. Good to know that my original senses were right on the mark.
Again, more propagandist crap and fear mongering without any substance or proof. Not one shred. Continually sounding like a broken record. Back to the ignore list you go.
Nobody is terrified of Palin. Palin is being ridiculed because of her silly mistakes. Claiming Alaska being next to russia as proof of her foreign affairs experience for instance, or being an icon of good christian values only to have her daughter be a teenage mom.
Palin makes one mistake after another yet conservatives like you keep trying to pretend as if she's actually presidential material. that is why people continue to make fun of her, not because they are terrified, but because she keeps providing with more and more material
Again, more propagandist crap and fear mongering without any substance or proof. Not one shred. Continually sounding like a broken record. Back to the ignore list you go.
You forgot a few buzz words he usually added for "effect". Note: not one word about healthcare in that rebuttal, lol.
Healthcare in the U.S. simply cannot go on the way it's been going. I simply cannot understand why we pay more as a people than any other country in the WORLD, yet its not reflected in the care or services available.
This whole thing reminds me of this Tom Waits song "God's Away on Business"
I'd sell your heart to the junkman baby
For a buck, for a buck
If you're looking for someone
To pull you out of that ditch
You're out of luck, you're out of luck
The ship is sinking
The ship is sinking
The ship is sinking
There's leak, there's leak,
In the boiler room
The poor, the lame, the blind
Who are the ones that we kept in charge?
Killers, thieves, and lawyers
God's away, God's away,
God's away on Business. Business.
God's away, God's away,
God's away on Business. Business.
Digging up the dead with
A shovel and a pick
It's a job, it's a job
Bloody moon rising with
A plague and a flood
Join the mob, join the mob
It's all over, it's all over, it's all over
There's a lick, there's a lick,
In the boiler room
The poor, the lame, the blind
Who are the ones that we kept in charge?
Killers, thieves, and lawyers
God's away, God's away, God's away
On Business. Business.
God's away, God's away,
On Business. Business.
[Instrumental Break]
Goddamn ther's always such
A big temptation
To be good, To be good
Tere's always free cheddar in
A mousetrap, baby
It's a deal, it's a deal
God's away, God's away, God's away
On Business. Business.
God's away, God's away, God's away
On Business. Business.
I narrow my eyes like a coin slot baby,
Let her ring, let her ring
God's away, God's away,
God's away on Business.
Business...
"TO MICHAEL!"
You are taking from God that which is God's and rendering it up to Caesar. Is it any wonder He is "away on business?"
This has little or nothing to do with health care per se. This is about socializing 1/5 of the American economy. It's a power grab, plain and simple.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Nothing about healthcare.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Nothing about healthcare.
At least I attack ideas, and not people.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Nothing about healthcare.
At least I attack ideas, and not people.
When are you going to get it through your skull that people are not interested in actually engaging you in debate, because you are so intellectually dishonest that it is impossible to engage you without you resorting to obfuscation, debates about semantics, and outright misrepresentations of people's positions?
I, for one, have no interest in ever attempting to engage you in meaningful debate, because it can't be done. You are incapable of honest debate. I have more fun attacking you.
I will continue to attempt to raise the level of conversation here, while we watch the yahoos from the left, as they are defeated in all arguments, return to their usual attack, attack, attack. It does get boring, but at least I did the right thing.
Attack socialized medicine? They will attack YOU. Disagree with them about the nature of government in a free society, and they will attack YOU. It just shows how bankrupt their arguments really are.
fishermage.blogspot.com
Obama lying to the Americans will surely make his ratings drop even further.
For the second time this month, congressional budget analysts have dealt a blow to the Democrat's health reform efforts, this time by saying a plan touted by the White House as crucial to paying for the bill would actually save almost no money over 10 years.
Read more: www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25415.html
Edit: He is getting hammered in the polls.
www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Nothing about healthcare.
At least I attack ideas, and not people.
When are you going to get it through your skull that people are not interested in actually engaging you in debate, because you are so intellectually dishonest that it is impossible to engage you without you resorting to obfuscation, debates about semantics, and outright misrepresentations of people's positions?
I, for one, have no interest in ever attempting to engage you in meaningful debate, because it can't be done. You are incapable of honest debate. I have more fun attacking you.
I think a few of us have taken this position. I don't even reply to his nonsense anymore. As soon as you make a valid point, he either scolds you for the way you posted, or he sums up your post in a way that fits his need. Usually that summary is in no way shape or form the same as what was actually said.
Of course he probably believes that he has just outsmarted all of us and that we are too afraid to debate with him. Which is good I guess, whatever keeps him happy.
The Official God FAQ
You aren't reading that right.
That's STRONGLY approve or STRONGLY disapprove. That's not getting "hammered".
See, the way they do polls is they ask STRONGLY approve, approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, disapprove, STRONGLY disapprove. Your poll appears to say less than 40% of people STRONGLY diapprove while 30% say they STRONGLY approve.
What you forgot to mention from your Rasmussen poll there is that the total overall approval for Obama is 49% and the total overall disapproval is 51%. Does that look like a "hammer" to you, lol?
That's only a 2% difference, which means.. every other person you see on your way to work tomorrow will be FOR Obama. Now here's the clincher: See that disclaimer under Obama's face in your link?
Read it. See the +/- 3%? Perspective.. try some.
A little context usuing your own poll should be used.
I love it when Republicans frame things like this so blatantly dishonest, just like the healthcare debate. It makes it that much easier to vote "Yes" for things and people who are running whatever is the opposite of this crazy brand of conservatism running the right wing. Birthers and Teabaggers... oy.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Nothing about healthcare.
At least I attack ideas, and not people.
When are you going to get it through your skull that people are not interested in actually engaging you in debate, because you are so intellectually dishonest that it is impossible to engage you without you resorting to obfuscation, debates about semantics, and outright misrepresentations of people's positions?
I, for one, have no interest in ever attempting to engage you in meaningful debate, because it can't be done. You are incapable of honest debate. I have more fun attacking you.
I think a few of us have taken this position. I don't even reply to his nonsense anymore. As soon as you make a valid point, he either scolds you for the way you posted, or he sums up your post in a way that fits his need. Usually that summary is in no way shape or form the same as what was actually said.
Of course he probably believes that he has just outsmarted all of us and that we are too afraid to debate with him. Which is good I guess, whatever keeps him happy.
This.
I guess he saves all the good debate for his blog. Basically on this forum he's nothing more than comedy relief. He nevers has any points that are worth arguing.
The strange thing about his posting style is that even when a thread goes WAY off track from the title (like this one already) and people are all talking about that NEW topic, he's STILL off-track in THAT topic as well, even though he's usually the one who derailed it in the first place with socialism, liberty, justice, freedom, fasicm, etc etc.
I'm guessing the only way to actually get him to actually discuss healthcare, the economy, social issues, and the pressing topics of America today is to start a thread about fasicm in Italy. Then he'll hopefully derail it to a topic everyone else really wants to discuss instead of strawmen like America.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I've never seen you "defeat" anyone in an argument, you arrogant, self-righteous gasbag.
I've never seen you "defeat" anyone in an argument, you arrogant, self-righteous gasbag.
LOL, yes because your name calling shows just how superior your argumentative skills are don't they?
pathetic line of libs can't refute squat in here.
P.s. Palin showing stronger in polls today too.