The same people praising our troops to high hell, and claiming those against the war are against the troops are also the same people who are claiming these troops don't have the mental fortitude to realize that turning on American civilians is wrong......
I checked your profile, which is something I only do in extremely rare situations. You live in Chicago. You have more gun-control restrictions that I am aware of than anywhere in the country. You are also the homicide capital in the United States, possibly even the world (someone should check on that).
Punched in "What is the homicide capital of the United States/world respectively at ask.com and got these:
Using the highest of those population estimates, the city last year recorded 55 murders per 100,000 residents. The number used by the FBI notches that up to 64 murders per 100,000 people.
Sorry but really doesnt apply.Terrorists groups are extremely outgunned by tech by the US and you see how how much trouble it caused us.It is also a matter of resisting population size as well (being outnumbered).
"However the guerrilla tactics in the south were a key factor in the prevention of British reinforcement to the north, and that was a decisive factor in the outcome of the war. See also Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys, for another American Revolutionary War example."
"Always mystify, mislead, and surprise the enemy, if possible; and when you strike and overcome him, never let up in the pursuit so long as your men have strength to follow; for an army routed, if hotly pursued, becomes panic-stricken, and can then be destroyed by half their number. The other rule is, never fight against heavy odds, if by any possible maneuvering you can hurl your own force on only a part, and that the weakest part, of your enemy and crush it. Such tactics will win every time, and a small army may thus destroy a large one in detail, and repeated victory will make it invincible."
Examples of history that I think demonstrate that people that are/were of this nation are able to fight with uniqueness when pressed.
Somehow I don't think it would be so easy to subjugate the population as others are portraying against your line of thought.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Originally posted by Scubie67 Ken state was 4 people , 4 people, 67 rounds, and they don't count? The Kent State shootings, also known as the May 4 massacre or Kent-State massacre, occurred at Kent State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis. I am talking about millions or more which would be mass genocide. Millions can be killed one incident at a time, over a period of time. It does not have to be all at once in one event. Four killed, 9 wounded here, 6 killed 20 wounded there, that is how it happens. Nobody wakes up one day and says, "Lets go kill millions of people". We are still for the most part an ethical and an elected society.The checks and balances are there to keep this from happening on mass scale. Ethics are a matter of perspective. Some have ethics that support abortion, some have ethics that oppose abortion. Some have ethics that support gay marriage, some have ethics that oppose gay marriage. Some have ethics that believe in White Power, some have ethics that oppose White Power. The checks and balances to keep two opposing factions from going at each other are a thin veneer. All it takes is a leader to greenlight one group to go after another group. That's how it started in Germany. And, by the way, Hitler was also elected. Elections are no guarantee of anything.
As for the Fox news comment they are the only conservative leaning cable or broadcast service out there I guess it would serve liberals well to have them shut down so that there is no discretion in the media to further a liberal agenda without any objectivity,Hitler would be proud of what they are trying to do. Fox News is a valid example. I seem to recall a woman confronting John McCain, telling him he has to start doing something about Obama, because Obama is a Muslim. McCain took the microphone away from her and said no, that Obama is a decent family man. Just like the recent confrontation between a Republican House member and his constituents over Obama's place of birth. I have also seen politicians such as John McCain and John Kerry degraded for having served in combat, with groups support that degradation. I have seen Mike Dukakis attacked using the infamous Willie Horton ad. The media is used to incite people, pitting American against American in an effort to emphasize differences and divide the nation. That's what the Gates arrest was about. There was no other reason for that to make national news for so long.
Our soldiers I like to believe will show compassion for its own citizens that most Non democratic nations wouldnt even dream of. Are you willing to bet your life on it, like those that died at Kent State?
Thx for cherry picking my statements and deleting my statements that you cant refute like the liberal stations I named.Dont feel bad though,a lot of the liberals on this sub forum do the same.
And yes I am willing to bet my life on it because I have more faith in people standing up for their constitutiional freedoms than for a limited number protesting some war as it affects everyone on this nations soil due to your other freedoms being lost soon after.
Also its funny how you bring up an incident ,(Ken State) out of all others which I commented on That got me a 1 week ban,makes me think the liberals on here have a hot list which they share on how to attack the conservative leaning posters on this site.Very interesting,or maybe you are the one that reported me,haha. Guess we will never know.
Originally posted by Scubie67 Ken state was 4 people , 4 people, 67 rounds, and they don't count? The Kent State shootings, also known as the May 4 massacre or Kent-State massacre, occurred at Kent State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis. I am talking about millions or more which would be mass genocide. Millions can be killed one incident at a time, over a period of time. It does not have to be all at once in one event. Four killed, 9 wounded here, 6 killed 20 wounded there, that is how it happens. Nobody wakes up one day and says, "Lets go kill millions of people". We are still for the most part an ethical and an elected society.The checks and balances are there to keep this from happening on mass scale. Ethics are a matter of perspective. Some have ethics that support abortion, some have ethics that oppose abortion. Some have ethics that support gay marriage, some have ethics that oppose gay marriage. Some have ethics that believe in White Power, some have ethics that oppose White Power. The checks and balances to keep two opposing factions from going at each other are a thin veneer. All it takes is a leader to greenlight one group to go after another group. That's how it started in Germany. And, by the way, Hitler was also elected. Elections are no guarantee of anything.
As for the Fox news comment they are the only conservative leaning cable or broadcast service out there I guess it would serve liberals well to have them shut down so that there is no discretion in the media to further a liberal agenda without any objectivity,Hitler would be proud of what they are trying to do. Fox News is a valid example. I seem to recall a woman confronting John McCain, telling him he has to start doing something about Obama, because Obama is a Muslim. McCain took the microphone away from her and said no, that Obama is a decent family man. Just like the recent confrontation between a Republican House member and his constituents over Obama's place of birth. I have also seen politicians such as John McCain and John Kerry degraded for having served in combat, with groups support that degradation. I have seen Mike Dukakis attacked using the infamous Willie Horton ad. The media is used to incite people, pitting American against American in an effort to emphasize differences and divide the nation. That's what the Gates arrest was about. There was no other reason for that to make national news for so long.
Our soldiers I like to believe will show compassion for its own citizens that most Non democratic nations wouldnt even dream of. Are you willing to bet your life on it, like those that died at Kent State?
Thx for cherry picking my statements and deleting my statements that you cant refute like the liberal stations I named.Dont feel bad though,a lot of the liberals on this sub forum do the same.
And yes I am willing to bet my life on it because I have more faith in people standing up for their constitutiional freedoms than for a limited number protesting some war as it affects everyone on this nations soil due to your other freedoms being lost soon after.
Also its funny how you bring up an incident ,(Ken State) out of all others which I commented on That got me a 1 week ban,makes me think the liberals on here have a hot list which they share on how to attack the conservative leaning posters on this site.Very interesting,or maybe you are the one that reported me,haha. Guess we will never know.
Your liberal bashing statements are not relevant, they were merely an attempt on your part to distract from the discussion of how a segment within a country can use the media to spread propaganda against another segment of the population to justify an action against that other segment of the popluation.
I am glad that you would bet your life on it. Many Jews in the Weimar Republic did also.
As to my getting you banned, nope, I don't report people. However you can live in your little conservative-liberal conspiracy fantasy world all you like, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
The same people praising our troops to high hell, and claiming those against the war are against the troops are also the same people who are claiming these troops don't have the mental fortitude to realize that turning on American civilians is wrong...... Way to honor them.
Some seem to believe that the Kent State shooting never happened? That it is a "liberal" conspiracy? That Ohio National Guardsman never fired on Ohio college students? That we should "honor" those Ohio National Guardsman that fired? Or that simply because it doesn't fit into their worldview, it can be ignored? I don't know, pick one, or several?
The shootings killed four students and wounded nine. Two of the four students killed, Allison Krause and Jeffrey Miller, had participated in the protest, and the other two, Sandra Scheuer and William Knox Schroeder, had been walking from one class to the next at the time of their deaths. Schroeder was also a member of the campus ROTC chapter. Of those wounded, none was closer than 71 feet to the guardsmen. Of those killed, the nearest (Miller) was 265 feet away, and their average distance from the guardsmen was 345 feet.
That distance was quite the imminent threat to the Guardsman, now, wasn't it? Justified lethal force, didn't it? I'm waiting for the counter arguement that the shooting was justified because the protest was against the expansion of the Vietnam War into Cambodia. That we should have been spreading "freedom and democracy" into Cambodia too. That the Kent State students were "dishonoring" our troops? That the Kent State students "hated America"?
This is about mass manipulations of segments of a population to pit them against other segments of a population. Justification of murder for a political cause, like killing abortion doctors, murdering gays in Wyoming, taking "action" against a black "Socialist" President of the United States that is ruining America. It is about manipulating people into justifying abnormal behaviour.
The Vietnam War was a divisive time in our nation's history. The action taken by the Ohio National Guardsman did not just happen in a vacuum, or materialize out of thin air, there was a segment of the population that felt that "hippies" and the black rioters of the 1960's should be shot on sight. That segment had no problems with US troops killing US civilians on US soil. Some of that segment just happened to be in an Ohio National Guard unit at Kent State on the fateful day. It should be noted that not all members of that Ohio National Guard unit fired their weapons at all, actually only a few did.
Whether you are a civilian, or a soldier, you are subjected to that manipulation. Actually, soldiers more so, because they HAVE to believe in the agenda they are being asked to fight for, civilians don't have to agree with it at all. Of course now, when civilians don't, they are asked, "Why do you hate America". It's always a case of "Get with the program or you are un-American". Joe McCarthy would have loved it. It's still okay to shoot people that hate America, right?
John McCain was very aware when he told that woman at his campaign rally that Obama was a decent family man how far and dangerous the propaganda game was getting.
It doesn't take much to light a spark in a gunpowder magazine.
If a certain segment of the population can justify the murder of an abortion doctor, it's not that far of a stretch for them to justify the murder of a black president too.
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The same people praising our troops to high hell, and claiming those against the war are against the troops are also the same people who are claiming these troops don't have the mental fortitude to realize that turning on American civilians is wrong......
Way to honor them.
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Punched in "What is the homicide capital of the United States/world respectively at ask.com and got these:
Despite drop in crime, New Orleans' murder rate continues to lead nation
by Brendan McCarthy, The Times-Picayune
Monday June 01, 2009, 9:15 PM
Using the highest of those population estimates, the city last year recorded 55 murders per 100,000 residents. The number used by the FBI notches that up to 64 murders per 100,000 people.
The List: Murder Capitals of the World
Caracas, Venezuela
Population: 3.2 million
Murder rate: 130 per 100,000 residents (official)
All the more reason for the Second Amendment to protect people.
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History of guerrilla warfare - American Revolutionary War
"However the guerrilla tactics in the south were a key factor in the prevention of British reinforcement to the north, and that was a decisive factor in the outcome of the war. See also Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys, for another American Revolutionary War example."
"Always mystify, mislead, and surprise the enemy, if possible; and when you strike and overcome him, never let up in the pursuit so long as your men have strength to follow; for an army routed, if hotly pursued, becomes panic-stricken, and can then be destroyed by half their number. The other rule is, never fight against heavy odds, if by any possible maneuvering you can hurl your own force on only a part, and that the weakest part, of your enemy and crush it. Such tactics will win every time, and a small army may thus destroy a large one in detail, and repeated victory will make it invincible."
—Jackson to General Imboden
"On the final charge, knowing that his men were out of ammunition, that his numbers were being depleted, and further knowing that another charge could not be repulsed, Chamberlain ordered a maneuver that was considered unusual for the day: He ordered his left flank, which had been pulled back, to advance with bayonets. As soon as they were in line with the rest of the regiment, the remainder of the regiment charged, akin to a door swinging shut."
Examples of history that I think demonstrate that people that are/were of this nation are able to fight with uniqueness when pressed.
Somehow I don't think it would be so easy to subjugate the population as others are portraying against your line of thought.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Even the founders recognized the reason of the 2nd amendment rights when declaring revolt against England.
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Thx for cherry picking my statements and deleting my statements that you cant refute like the liberal stations I named.Dont feel bad though,a lot of the liberals on this sub forum do the same.
And yes I am willing to bet my life on it because I have more faith in people standing up for their constitutiional freedoms than for a limited number protesting some war as it affects everyone on this nations soil due to your other freedoms being lost soon after.
Also its funny how you bring up an incident ,(Ken State) out of all others which I commented on That got me a 1 week ban,makes me think the liberals on here have a hot list which they share on how to attack the conservative leaning posters on this site.Very interesting,or maybe you are the one that reported me,haha. Guess we will never know.
Thx for cherry picking my statements and deleting my statements that you cant refute like the liberal stations I named.Dont feel bad though,a lot of the liberals on this sub forum do the same.
And yes I am willing to bet my life on it because I have more faith in people standing up for their constitutiional freedoms than for a limited number protesting some war as it affects everyone on this nations soil due to your other freedoms being lost soon after.
Also its funny how you bring up an incident ,(Ken State) out of all others which I commented on That got me a 1 week ban,makes me think the liberals on here have a hot list which they share on how to attack the conservative leaning posters on this site.Very interesting,or maybe you are the one that reported me,haha. Guess we will never know.
Your liberal bashing statements are not relevant, they were merely an attempt on your part to distract from the discussion of how a segment within a country can use the media to spread propaganda against another segment of the population to justify an action against that other segment of the popluation.
I am glad that you would bet your life on it. Many Jews in the Weimar Republic did also.
As to my getting you banned, nope, I don't report people. However you can live in your little conservative-liberal conspiracy fantasy world all you like, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Some seem to believe that the Kent State shooting never happened? That it is a "liberal" conspiracy? That Ohio National Guardsman never fired on Ohio college students? That we should "honor" those Ohio National Guardsman that fired? Or that simply because it doesn't fit into their worldview, it can be ignored? I don't know, pick one, or several?
The shootings killed four students and wounded nine. Two of the four students killed, Allison Krause and Jeffrey Miller, had participated in the protest, and the other two, Sandra Scheuer and William Knox Schroeder, had been walking from one class to the next at the time of their deaths. Schroeder was also a member of the campus ROTC chapter. Of those wounded, none was closer than 71 feet to the guardsmen. Of those killed, the nearest (Miller) was 265 feet away, and their average distance from the guardsmen was 345 feet.
That distance was quite the imminent threat to the Guardsman, now, wasn't it? Justified lethal force, didn't it? I'm waiting for the counter arguement that the shooting was justified because the protest was against the expansion of the Vietnam War into Cambodia. That we should have been spreading "freedom and democracy" into Cambodia too. That the Kent State students were "dishonoring" our troops? That the Kent State students "hated America"?
This is about mass manipulations of segments of a population to pit them against other segments of a population. Justification of murder for a political cause, like killing abortion doctors, murdering gays in Wyoming, taking "action" against a black "Socialist" President of the United States that is ruining America. It is about manipulating people into justifying abnormal behaviour.
The Vietnam War was a divisive time in our nation's history. The action taken by the Ohio National Guardsman did not just happen in a vacuum, or materialize out of thin air, there was a segment of the population that felt that "hippies" and the black rioters of the 1960's should be shot on sight. That segment had no problems with US troops killing US civilians on US soil. Some of that segment just happened to be in an Ohio National Guard unit at Kent State on the fateful day. It should be noted that not all members of that Ohio National Guard unit fired their weapons at all, actually only a few did.
Whether you are a civilian, or a soldier, you are subjected to that manipulation. Actually, soldiers more so, because they HAVE to believe in the agenda they are being asked to fight for, civilians don't have to agree with it at all. Of course now, when civilians don't, they are asked, "Why do you hate America". It's always a case of "Get with the program or you are un-American". Joe McCarthy would have loved it. It's still okay to shoot people that hate America, right?
John McCain was very aware when he told that woman at his campaign rally that Obama was a decent family man how far and dangerous the propaganda game was getting.
It doesn't take much to light a spark in a gunpowder magazine.
If a certain segment of the population can justify the murder of an abortion doctor, it's not that far of a stretch for them to justify the murder of a black president too.