Good points Rok. Given that the game is no spring chicken, it's a bit of a downer that they couldn't hit the release date. It's tempting to say "Turbine should know better by now" but the few games I tried recently all had similar development issues. I would be disappointed, but it's almost as though delays have become par for the course. I highly doubt many of the games coming up for release in the next few months will hit their target date. The very worst they can do is release an incomplete product. Even if they claim they will have it all up and running within a few weeks of release, people will be very suspicious. I wish Turbine luck. They may have created a game that will bring many hours of fun into my life and will cost me very little in return. For that reason alone, I can't be too bitter. Aryas
If Turbine had in the past been known for truly quality updates with few bugs or pages of known issues I would give them the benefit of the doubt, but after 3+ years we all know they delay and still releasde things is a poor state. Server crashes and hot fixes are the norm for any Turbine update. I just found it funny Fernando says they want to give the free players the best gaming experience ever, yet for three years + failed to make that same commitment to the ones paying the bills all that time.
A new game going through beta almost always has some delays, DDO I think needed to hit this date for once. Instead they showed all the people who were waiting exactly the reason this game has a small population and needed to go F2P to try and save itself. At least all the new players will not go into DDO expecting great service and true commitment from management. The devs do such good work though.
Exactly the point I made in the forums. Though Bor and a few others pointed out "well its a relaunch." It still in my eyes tells me and others who played for years and paid a monthly sub that "hey we messed up and now we are going to work hard to give those who arent paying us a better product." All of you who went threw the Black Abott fiasco, the bugs that shut down the shroud. All of you who put up with our nonsense before just do it again because this time we will get it right. I get they are taking a huge gamble but this mod has been a disaster since the interview last year where they gave projected goals that werent met.
Maybe im still bitter about being such a rabid fangurl arguing with people on Escapist when they called Tubine a bad company and said they made games no one heard of. When Patience gave us crumbs saying "if you help us win we will give you this info about mod 9" only to hear the mod is tied up in some relaunch many months after that. After getting used to having anniversary's in the game mean something to having it boil down to a video contest that hardly anyone participated in and many of us spending more times in the forums then the acutal game.
But know you got die hards like Sarr who think nothing is wrong in the way they treat us. And delays are typcial of mmo's so we shouldnt badmouth the company for SS and vast and mysterious. Whatever Ive played their quests from 1-16 tried the refuge lotto system and im bored. And a store ontop of 4 quests and raid that they beat on the preview server just doesnt seem worth keeping a sub for anymore. Hopefully they will really fine tune the game one day add time sinks and the like. But I doubt it I think the game is treading water and people can defend and go down with ths ship all they want. Im jumping while I can.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lover, the dreamer, and me.
Good points Rok. Given that the game is no spring chicken, it's a bit of a downer that they couldn't hit the release date. It's tempting to say "Turbine should know better by now" but the few games I tried recently all had similar development issues. I would be disappointed, but it's almost as though delays have become par for the course. I highly doubt many of the games coming up for release in the next few months will hit their target date. The very worst they can do is release an incomplete product. Even if they claim they will have it all up and running within a few weeks of release, people will be very suspicious. I wish Turbine luck. They may have created a game that will bring many hours of fun into my life and will cost me very little in return. For that reason alone, I can't be too bitter. Aryas
If Turbine had in the past been known for truly quality updates with few bugs or pages of known issues I would give them the benefit of the doubt, but after 3+ years we all know they delay and still releasde things is a poor state. Server crashes and hot fixes are the norm for any Turbine update. I just found it funny Fernando says they want to give the free players the best gaming experience ever, yet for three years + failed to make that same commitment to the ones paying the bills all that time.
A new game going through beta almost always has some delays, DDO I think needed to hit this date for once. Instead they showed all the people who were waiting exactly the reason this game has a small population and needed to go F2P to try and save itself. At least all the new players will not go into DDO expecting great service and true commitment from management. The devs do such good work though.
Exactly the point I made in the forums. Though Bor and a few others pointed out "well its a relaunch." It still in my eyes tells me and others who played for years and paid a monthly sub that "hey we messed up and now we are going to work hard to give those who arent paying us a better product." All of you who went threw the Black Abott fiasco, the bugs that shut down the shroud. All of you who put up with our nonsense before just do it again because this time we will get it right. I get they are taking a huge gamble but this mod has been a disaster since the interview last year where they gave projected goals that werent met.
Maybe im still bitter about being such a rabid fangurl arguing with people on Escapist when they called Tubine a bad company and said they made games no one heard of. When Patience gave us crumbs saying "if you help us win we will give you this info about mod 9" only to hear the mod is tied up in some relaunch many months after that. After getting used to having anniversary's in the game mean something to having it boil down to a video contest that hardly anyone participated in and many of us spending more times in the forums then the acutal game.
But know you got die hards like Sarr who think nothing is wrong in the way they treat us. And delays are typcial of mmo's so we shouldnt badmouth the company for SS and vast and mysterious. Whatever Ive played their quests from 1-16 tried the refuge lotto system and im bored. And a store ontop of 4 quests and raid that they beat on the preview server just doesnt seem worth keeping a sub for anymore. Hopefully they will really fine tune the game one day add time sinks and the like. But I doubt it I think the game is treading water and people can defend and go down with ths ship all they want. Im jumping while I can.
In reality it is not that much of a gamble. It is not like they took a successful MMO and changed it like this. They took a game that was mistreated, under developed, under populated and overlooked, it deserved better from the start because the work that went into it was great, and they are throwing a "hail mary" and hoping for a touchdown. DDO was basicly on life support until someone said "instead of making a new game around a system we(Turbine itself) have little experience with(in game stores/F2P) lets take one our already borderline failing games and see if this can work as a business polan going forward". And that is how DDO got this system.
A big gamble would be doing this to LOTRO while it has a large population. This is a salvage operation and one that if done right could really work, but to do that Kate and Fernando need to start collecting paychecks elsewhere.
True its still sad to see the way they are handling everything. I wore rose colored glasses till right after that Escapist contest when they continued to lead us on with vast and mysterious. I just dont see how this new plan is gonna help the game but I do wish them the best.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lover, the dreamer, and me.
Originally posted by Darkmaiden16 Maybe im still bitter about being such a rabid fangurl arguing with people on Escapist when they called Tubine a bad company and said they made games no one heard of. When Patience gave us crumbs saying "if you help us win we will give you this info about mod 9" only to hear the mod is tied up in some relaunch many months after that. After getting used to having anniversary's in the game mean something to having it boil down to a video contest that hardly anyone participated in and many of us spending more times in the forums then the acutal game.
But know you got die hards like Sarr who think nothing is wrong in the way they treat us. And delays are typcial of mmo's so we shouldnt badmouth the company for SS and vast and mysterious. Whatever Ive played their quests from 1-16 tried the refuge lotto system and im bored. And a store ontop of 4 quests and raid that they beat on the preview server just doesnt seem worth keeping a sub for anymore. Hopefully they will really fine tune the game one day add time sinks and the like. But I doubt it I think the game is treading water and people can defend and go down with ths ship all they want. Im jumping while I can.
Putting the annoyance aside for the moment, which I fully understand and feel much the same, are you really jumping ship or just taking a break?
I had reached the played out point, and was looking forward to Mod 9 finally arriving, on hearing the news I would probably have taken a subscription break if I wasn't on a nice 6 month cheap plan from one of the anniversary offers. My problem is I have tried other MMOs and in comparison they just feel tedious and shallow. Plus I connected yesterday just to check the AH, played for about 6 hours and never got around to checking the AH, so even after 3.5 years and the recent debacles, damn thing can still be addictive with the right group.
I find PvP mind numbingly boring, I find noddy quests insulting, I can't play anything where I can't manually dodge projectiles, I need to be able to have character builds that are at least semi-different to other peoples, I find tromping across large zones with random spawn points on the pretext of exploring tedious and I find anything designed around everyone soloing shallow. So what else is there that I can play?
them pushing ddo to release in september is just bad. plain and simple. there are tons of new pay to play games coming out. ontop of that alot of LONG AWAITED free to play games as well. I think I can name about 20-30 going live in september.
Originally posted by Darkmaiden16 Maybe im still bitter about being such a rabid fangurl arguing with people on Escapist when they called Tubine a bad company and said they made games no one heard of. When Patience gave us crumbs saying "if you help us win we will give you this info about mod 9" only to hear the mod is tied up in some relaunch many months after that. After getting used to having anniversary's in the game mean something to having it boil down to a video contest that hardly anyone participated in and many of us spending more times in the forums then the acutal game.
But know you got die hards like Sarr who think nothing is wrong in the way they treat us. And delays are typcial of mmo's so we shouldnt badmouth the company for SS and vast and mysterious. Whatever Ive played their quests from 1-16 tried the refuge lotto system and im bored. And a store ontop of 4 quests and raid that they beat on the preview server just doesnt seem worth keeping a sub for anymore. Hopefully they will really fine tune the game one day add time sinks and the like. But I doubt it I think the game is treading water and people can defend and go down with ths ship all they want. Im jumping while I can.
Putting the annoyance aside for the moment, which I fully understand and feel much the same, are you really jumping ship or just taking a break?
I had reached the played out point, and was looking forward to Mod 9 finally arriving, on hearing the news I would probably have taken a subscription break if I wasn't on a nice 6 month cheap plan from one of the anniversary offers. My problem is I have tried other MMOs and in comparison they just feel tedious and shallow. Plus I connected yesterday just to check the AH, played for about 6 hours and never got around to checking the AH, so even after 3.5 years and the recent debacles, damn thing can still be addictive with the right group.
I find PvP mind numbingly boring, I find noddy quests insulting, I can't play anything where I can't manually dodge projectiles, I need to be able to have character builds that are at least semi-different to other peoples, I find tromping across large zones with random spawn points on the pretext of exploring tedious and I find anything designed around everyone soloing shallow. So what else is there that I can play?
Im hopefully jumping ship. Im human enough to say that ive threatened to quit before and only came back after seeing other mmo's didnt have the combat or comradrie ddo had for me. But those times I kept my subscription took a month or two off. This time though I cancelled both my subs to DDO and LOTRO. Simply the way they handle whats going on just doesnt sit right with me. They keep being secretive about whats going on, I feel like they led us along since the begining of the year and really started feeling jaded when they promised us in the march madness contest info on the mod only to have them give us stuff that wasnt relevant to the real plan. Then they tell us they knew since last year they were going free to play and had the EU idea but keep it as "vast and mysterious" till about June of this year. So us paid subscribers had to get used to the fact that they would be giving our game away free fine we want more players. Then the store they are implimenting fine those new players will have it easier. Now on top of that (asside from horrible lag, server restarts that had been abundant) they once again delay a mod that many had been hanging onto subs for. And even if it wasnt their intention the way they announced it not happening surely did conicide with many of us already having our accounts charged for the month. So even cancelling they got my money. It doesnt matter though Ive lost my trust in Turbine if I ever did use their products again id have to do it free and I dont feel right about that I dont think id enjoy the game setting asside other builds I worked hard on just to play four nor could I play and not be tempted to put money in their hands via the store. So im hoping I can walk away from it and I already said If I cant anyone who is mocking those who are cancelling can point and laugh at me.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lover, the dreamer, and me.
As to the other questiong I dont know I dont think im gonna be going back to mmo's for a long time. DDO was my first mmo it spoiled me for others. Ive tried many of them while taking breaks due to frustration over lag or other in game nonsense only to come back to it. DDO is still the most unique game combat wise but you can only run the low level content so much and I hate rushing threw it for fear their maybe an actual new player in my group. My guild is full of people with 2 paid accounts full of capped characters. The guild leader has capped 20 characters all different classes some multi so he can be ready to do any job during a raid. They are a dedicated group this wait has made it where once again anyone new in the guild either has to really rush to enjoy most of the high end stuff with them or pug since they dont have room to make lowbies. Some of them have been in the game since headstart and been feeling the burden of this "wait" for the longest. Me ive tried everything not to get bored again and honestly if it was just me being bored again id just take another break till sept when the mod drops.
But to me cancelling even if its in vain shows turbine that im sick of their shady practices. Tired of them not willing to trust the players who show support by paying and throwing things at us like fan art contests when we just want more things to do in game. I still for the life of me dont understand why they put pvp in but no other time sinks? Even a gambling den would have been a better addition then nothing. And a person can only build, quest, loot and level till cap so much before it becomes tedious. Ive tried different builds different clases and long for more but I dont think they will see any of that "More" anytime soon. I hope im wrong and their mod the dreaming dark has more things the other players and I have asked for but with the way theyve handled mod 9 im kinda bitter at this point. Ive gone back to console games for when I need to game and besides reading forums my internet time has been cut short. Im trying to go have "the life" other fanbois have bandied at those of us who are fed up.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lover, the dreamer, and me.
I'm gonna have Kermit singing that goddamn song all day now stuck in my head thanks to your sig.
Thanks :P
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Well, I was looking forward to playing the final f2p release. Afterall, I don't want to level up a character and then have it wiped, so I've been spending very limited time in the Unlimited beta, just enough to get a feel for the character I was going to create and enjoy...
This just broke the camel's back though. I give up on Turbine completely. I'm sad that I've ever given them a penny for any of their mediocre games. Time to move on...
"Good people are good because they've come to wisdom through failure. We get very little wisdom from success, you know." William Saroyan
Meh, its dissappointing to me although not that surprising considering Turbine's track record with this game. I'm still going to give it another go. May even subscribe ahead of time assuming that's even possible at this point - doing the free trial right now.
I would be pissed if I was here the whole time but truthfully I played this game at launch and due to the multitude of issues it had then I moved on because it wasn't worth it to me regardless of the potential I saw the game had. How the hell some of you put up with that astounds me.
Anyways, as dissappointing as it is and as much as I'm not real sure rmt is going to save this game there just is so few other mmos out there that hold my interest I'll be back playing all the same. Of course, it helps I've been gone all this time so what's old news content wise to most is new to me and more than likely this game will probably never be my main - more a time filler when I'm burned out or simply don't feel like playing my main mmo.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
As to the other questiong I dont know I dont think im gonna be going back to mmo's for a long time. DDO was my first mmo it spoiled me for others. Ive tried many of them while taking breaks due to frustration over lag or other in game nonsense only to come back to it. DDO is still the most unique game combat wise but you can only run the low level content so much and I hate rushing threw it for fear their maybe an actual new player in my group. My guild is full of people with 2 paid accounts full of capped characters. The guild leader has capped 20 characters all different classes some multi so he can be ready to do any job during a raid. They are a dedicated group this wait has made it where once again anyone new in the guild either has to really rush to enjoy most of the high end stuff with them or pug since they dont have room to make lowbies. Some of them have been in the game since headstart and been feeling the burden of this "wait" for the longest. Me ive tried everything not to get bored again and honestly if it was just me being bored again id just take another break till sept when the mod drops.
But to me cancelling even if its in vain shows turbine that im sick of their shady practices. Tired of them not willing to trust the players who show support by paying and throwing things at us like fan art contests when we just want more things to do in game. I still for the life of me dont understand why they put pvp in but no other time sinks? Even a gambling den would have been a better addition then nothing. And a person can only build, quest, loot and level till cap so much before it becomes tedious. Ive tried different builds different clases and long for more but I dont think they will see any of that "More" anytime soon. I hope im wrong and their mod the dreaming dark has more things the other players and I have asked for but with the way theyve handled mod 9 im kinda bitter at this point. Ive gone back to console games for when I need to game and besides reading forums my internet time has been cut short. Im trying to go have "the life" other fanbois have bandied at those of us who are fed up.
The decision to quit a game is a serious matter. On the one hand, you will feel you wasted the time you spent with the game and are abandoning in game friends. On the other hand, once you have lost all faith in the developer, you will leave ultimately, and the early you do so, the quicker you can get involved in another game.
I quit DDO back in early June, after nearly 3 1/2 years of heavy play. Not playing took some period of adjustment. However, I played some free trials and looked into some upcoming games. Right now, I am excited about the upcoming Champions open Beta in 2 weeks. Even if that sucks, SWKOR will be coming along shortly.
Do what you feel is right. You may not like the new game as much as DDO, but you may like somethings about the new game better. Once you really know what you want in a game, it become easier to find one.
Yea it sucks it got delayed and it made me loose some excitement for the game but Turbine wouldnt do it without a very good reason.
As a LotrO player I wish Turbine had the balls to delay Moria for 2 months to polish it so Im actually glad that they decided to delay DDO to make it ready for release. If the release is a disaster then it would have a much more negative impact than delaying it one month since in the MMO industry delaying often is seen as something positive. We have seen hyped games like AoC and WAR crash and burn because they was released to early.
As to old time players quitting, I can see how much it sucks but think about tihs: You were playing a dying game that no one cares about and maybe would be shut down in the near future. Now Turbine is giving DDO another chance to be popular and succesfull and hopefully stay alive for years to come.
Also Mod 1 is pretty much already done so wont take long to get more high content. DDO have been through some dark time for the last year but its been for the long term success for the game.
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
As to the other questiong I dont know I dont think im gonna be going back to mmo's for a long time. DDO was my first mmo it spoiled me for others. Ive tried many of them while taking breaks due to frustration over lag or other in game nonsense only to come back to it. DDO is still the most unique game combat wise but you can only run the low level content so much and I hate rushing threw it for fear their maybe an actual new player in my group. My guild is full of people with 2 paid accounts full of capped characters. The guild leader has capped 20 characters all different classes some multi so he can be ready to do any job during a raid. They are a dedicated group this wait has made it where once again anyone new in the guild either has to really rush to enjoy most of the high end stuff with them or pug since they dont have room to make lowbies. Some of them have been in the game since headstart and been feeling the burden of this "wait" for the longest. Me ive tried everything not to get bored again and honestly if it was just me being bored again id just take another break till sept when the mod drops.
But to me cancelling even if its in vain shows turbine that im sick of their shady practices. Tired of them not willing to trust the players who show support by paying and throwing things at us like fan art contests when we just want more things to do in game. I still for the life of me dont understand why they put pvp in but no other time sinks? Even a gambling den would have been a better addition then nothing. And a person can only build, quest, loot and level till cap so much before it becomes tedious. Ive tried different builds different clases and long for more but I dont think they will see any of that "More" anytime soon. I hope im wrong and their mod the dreaming dark has more things the other players and I have asked for but with the way theyve handled mod 9 im kinda bitter at this point. Ive gone back to console games for when I need to game and besides reading forums my internet time has been cut short. Im trying to go have "the life" other fanbois have bandied at those of us who are fed up.
Very understandable.
I tend to believe all big companies consist of a lot of good individuals doing their best, but when viewed as a whole they all leave bad feelings, if they don't they are probably just screwing you over without you being aware. I can't think of any large company (MMO or otherwise) that you wouldn't think some of their practices were less than ethical at times. So on that very jaundiced view of corporate mentality I don't except much and I can remain emotionally detached to a certain extent.
This news is annoying, but I still think DDO is the best MMO available for me, it isn't worth cancelling a good 6 month plan to take a holiday and I am casual enough, even though I have played since beta to not feel it too badly, so logical decision is to stick with it. However if something else came along that was an even better fit I wouldn't have any loyalty to Turbine, it would be a one sided relationship if I did.
Enjoy your move, and if it turns in to a break then welcome back (others' opinions only matter if you let them).
Also Mod 1 is pretty much already done so wont take long to get more high content. DDO have been through some dark time for the last year but its been for the long term success for the game.
Lets see when it gets released. Turbine has a habit of claiming things are much closer to ready then they really are. Kind of like the F2P delay. Turbine sugarcoats things, more honesty and disclosure with their customers would be a good thing. That will only happen when Kate & Fernando are gone. DDO needs and deserves people running it who actually understand that particular game. Too many times over the years their reps have shown not to understand their players or even the game they play.
The good reason they delayed is the store(their new money maker) was not working right, but had the store been over charging for points it would have been released on time and corrected later. Which would follow the Turbine way with DDO, if the bug makes a quest impossible leave it alone until a fix comes months and months later. If the bug makes a quest easier or allows the players to have fun the quest will be shut down until fixed.
Also Mod 1 is pretty much already done so wont take long to get more high content. DDO have been through some dark time for the last year but its been for the long term success for the game.
Lets see when it gets released. Turbine has a habit of claiming things are much closer to ready then they really are. Kind of like the F2P delay. Turbine sugarcoats things, more honesty and disclosure with their customers would be a good thing. That will only happen when Kate & Fernando are gone. DDO needs and deserves people running it who actually understand that particular game. Too many times over the years their reps have shown not to understand their players or even the game they play.
The good reason they delayed is the store(their new money maker) was not working right, but had the store been over charging for points it would have been released on time and corrected later. Which would follow the Turbine way with DDO, if the bug makes a quest impossible leave it alone until a fix comes months and months later. If the bug makes a quest easier or allows the players to have fun the quest will be shut down until fixed.
Yep once again no communication has people wondering if its the store, or a broken quest. No one is giving any answers only saying that the stress test on a preview server that many had too much trouble downloading to bother with finally helped their decision..
Why would they base somethinig so important on a server many of their player base did not take seriously? Its moves like this that had me worried for weeks now. And this latest lack of communications, this "Take our word for it and deal" just became too much. There are many people who are still angry and vocal me im just tired I watched them purge a good petition idea and I know now they just dont care and dont want people spreading any ideas that will cost them anything. I told the author of the petition I dont think the company cares that much about customer relations and the latest moves prove me right. I just hope their new plan works for them I hate to see such a unique game destroyed by bad business decisions.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lover, the dreamer, and me.
Yep once again no communication has people wondering if its the store, or a broken quest. No one is giving any answers only saying that the stress test on a preview server that many had too much trouble downloading to bother with finally helped their decision..
Why would they base somethinig so important on a server many of their player base did not take seriously? Its moves like this that had me worried for weeks now. And this latest lack of communications, this "Take our word for it and deal" just became too much.
Eh you dont think they should make their decions based on STRESS TESTS on their BETA SERVER with thousands of people testing the game both new players and old vets?
So what do you think they should base it on?
DDO:Unlimited is not ready for release because the tests showed that the capacity wasnt enough so they had to delay it for 1 month, what more do you need to know?
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Yep once again no communication has people wondering if its the store, or a broken quest. No one is giving any answers only saying that the stress test on a preview server that many had too much trouble downloading to bother with finally helped their decision..
Why would they base somethinig so important on a server many of their player base did not take seriously? Its moves like this that had me worried for weeks now. And this latest lack of communications, this "Take our word for it and deal" just became too much.
Eh you dont think they should make their decions based on STRESS TESTS on their BETA SERVER with thousands of people testing the game both new players and old vets?
So what do you think they should base it on?
DDO:Unlimited is not ready for release because the tests showed that the capacity wasnt enough so they had to delay it for 1 month, what more do you need to know?
Be nice to know why the same people make the same mistakes over and over and yet never pay the price for such poor choices. DDO has been and continues to be plagued by the worst upper management decisions I can remember.
a server many of their player base did not take seriously? Its moves like this that had me worried for weeks now. And this latest lack of communications, this "Take our word for it and deal" just became too much.
Eh you dont think they should make their decions based on STRESS TESTS on their BETA SERVER with thousands of people testing the game both new players and old vets?
So what do you think they should base it on?
DDO:Unlimited is not ready for release because the tests showed that the capacity wasnt enough so they had to delay it for 1 month, what more do you need to know?
I think its cute your calling it a beta server when they called it a "preview server" the longest time. Then after they announced EU in June it supposedly became a beta server. But in that time they launched it with a terrible crappy download that many could not load right. Then if you did get it to download the game many still could not play the characters loaded onto the server. So yes I say it was a crappy decision because many did not take the preview server seriously. If they had instigated a proper test server and let people know "hey this is the real deal please help us." that would have been one thing. But they werent even offering help to many people who could not get the tda to launch properly. And it was the actions of a few faithful players who showed tricks around getting the darn thing to work.
Once again bad decisions made by a company for a game that was treading water for the longest time. Many of us used to say the things you did. Constantly defend Turbine despite lack of advertising and others calling the game a joke. Wish I could go back to those days but dont see it happening.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lover, the dreamer, and me.
a server many of their player base did not take seriously? Its moves like this that had me worried for weeks now. And this latest lack of communications, this "Take our word for it and deal" just became too much.
Eh you dont think they should make their decions based on STRESS TESTS on their BETA SERVER with thousands of people testing the game both new players and old vets?
So what do you think they should base it on?
DDO:Unlimited is not ready for release because the tests showed that the capacity wasnt enough so they had to delay it for 1 month, what more do you need to know?
I think its cute your calling it a beta server when they called it a "preview server" the longest time. Then after they announced EU in June it supposedly became a beta server. But in that time they launched it with a terrible crappy download that many could not load right. Then if you did get it to download the game many still could not play the characters loaded onto the server. So yes I say it was a crappy decision because many did not take the preview server seriously. If they had instigated a proper test server and let people know "hey this is the real deal please help us." that would have been one thing. But they werent even offering help to many people who could not get the tda to launch properly. And it was the actions of a few faithful players who showed tricks around getting the darn thing to work.
Once again bad decisions made by a company for a game that was treading water for the longest time. Many of us used to say the things you did. Constantly defend Turbine despite lack of advertising and others calling the game a joke. Wish I could go back to those days but dont see it happening.
Hehe they are calling it a BETA SEVER because the SERVER is hosting the CLOSED/Open BETA... Many did not take the server seriously? Eh ok? Well Turbine does since its their BETA SEVER. There are thousands of people on that server testing the game, just because you failed to dowload it doesnt make it any less important. The stress test showed tha it wasnt ready, you werent there and have no idea about whats going on. Im not going to bother anymore, Ive read you "blog" and other posts here so I dont think there is a point...
Its funny that you think you know more than the actual company if they should delay or not You must know alot about servers and about running MMOs. Turbine have only done it for 10 years...
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
How the hell some of you put up with that astounds me.
The reason why this is happening is 'cs Dungeons & Dragons Online provides a high level of dynamics to create unique character builds, allows players to experiance highly strategic levels of game play with a very tactile gameplay and faciliates a very social game play experiance through the group-mechanisms and instanced content. Other MMO's simply do not provide for the type of gameplay that's present in DDO as too many focus on the lowest denominator and a Rock/Paper/Scissors type of approach with their cookie-cutter character classes. This is why a lot have put up with it for as long as they have, but that fandom and desire to keep playing is continuing to fade quite rapidly.
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If Turbine had in the past been known for truly quality updates with few bugs or pages of known issues I would give them the benefit of the doubt, but after 3+ years we all know they delay and still releasde things is a poor state. Server crashes and hot fixes are the norm for any Turbine update. I just found it funny Fernando says they want to give the free players the best gaming experience ever, yet for three years + failed to make that same commitment to the ones paying the bills all that time.
A new game going through beta almost always has some delays, DDO I think needed to hit this date for once. Instead they showed all the people who were waiting exactly the reason this game has a small population and needed to go F2P to try and save itself. At least all the new players will not go into DDO expecting great service and true commitment from management. The devs do such good work though.
Exactly the point I made in the forums. Though Bor and a few others pointed out "well its a relaunch." It still in my eyes tells me and others who played for years and paid a monthly sub that "hey we messed up and now we are going to work hard to give those who arent paying us a better product." All of you who went threw the Black Abott fiasco, the bugs that shut down the shroud. All of you who put up with our nonsense before just do it again because this time we will get it right. I get they are taking a huge gamble but this mod has been a disaster since the interview last year where they gave projected goals that werent met.
Maybe im still bitter about being such a rabid fangurl arguing with people on Escapist when they called Tubine a bad company and said they made games no one heard of. When Patience gave us crumbs saying "if you help us win we will give you this info about mod 9" only to hear the mod is tied up in some relaunch many months after that. After getting used to having anniversary's in the game mean something to having it boil down to a video contest that hardly anyone participated in and many of us spending more times in the forums then the acutal game.
But know you got die hards like Sarr who think nothing is wrong in the way they treat us. And delays are typcial of mmo's so we shouldnt badmouth the company for SS and vast and mysterious. Whatever Ive played their quests from 1-16 tried the refuge lotto system and im bored. And a store ontop of 4 quests and raid that they beat on the preview server just doesnt seem worth keeping a sub for anymore. Hopefully they will really fine tune the game one day add time sinks and the like. But I doubt it I think the game is treading water and people can defend and go down with ths ship all they want. Im jumping while I can.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lover, the dreamer, and me.
If Turbine had in the past been known for truly quality updates with few bugs or pages of known issues I would give them the benefit of the doubt, but after 3+ years we all know they delay and still releasde things is a poor state. Server crashes and hot fixes are the norm for any Turbine update. I just found it funny Fernando says they want to give the free players the best gaming experience ever, yet for three years + failed to make that same commitment to the ones paying the bills all that time.
A new game going through beta almost always has some delays, DDO I think needed to hit this date for once. Instead they showed all the people who were waiting exactly the reason this game has a small population and needed to go F2P to try and save itself. At least all the new players will not go into DDO expecting great service and true commitment from management. The devs do such good work though.
Exactly the point I made in the forums. Though Bor and a few others pointed out "well its a relaunch." It still in my eyes tells me and others who played for years and paid a monthly sub that "hey we messed up and now we are going to work hard to give those who arent paying us a better product." All of you who went threw the Black Abott fiasco, the bugs that shut down the shroud. All of you who put up with our nonsense before just do it again because this time we will get it right. I get they are taking a huge gamble but this mod has been a disaster since the interview last year where they gave projected goals that werent met.
Maybe im still bitter about being such a rabid fangurl arguing with people on Escapist when they called Tubine a bad company and said they made games no one heard of. When Patience gave us crumbs saying "if you help us win we will give you this info about mod 9" only to hear the mod is tied up in some relaunch many months after that. After getting used to having anniversary's in the game mean something to having it boil down to a video contest that hardly anyone participated in and many of us spending more times in the forums then the acutal game.
But know you got die hards like Sarr who think nothing is wrong in the way they treat us. And delays are typcial of mmo's so we shouldnt badmouth the company for SS and vast and mysterious. Whatever Ive played their quests from 1-16 tried the refuge lotto system and im bored. And a store ontop of 4 quests and raid that they beat on the preview server just doesnt seem worth keeping a sub for anymore. Hopefully they will really fine tune the game one day add time sinks and the like. But I doubt it I think the game is treading water and people can defend and go down with ths ship all they want. Im jumping while I can.
In reality it is not that much of a gamble. It is not like they took a successful MMO and changed it like this. They took a game that was mistreated, under developed, under populated and overlooked, it deserved better from the start because the work that went into it was great, and they are throwing a "hail mary" and hoping for a touchdown. DDO was basicly on life support until someone said "instead of making a new game around a system we(Turbine itself) have little experience with(in game stores/F2P) lets take one our already borderline failing games and see if this can work as a business polan going forward". And that is how DDO got this system.
A big gamble would be doing this to LOTRO while it has a large population. This is a salvage operation and one that if done right could really work, but to do that Kate and Fernando need to start collecting paychecks elsewhere.
True its still sad to see the way they are handling everything. I wore rose colored glasses till right after that Escapist contest when they continued to lead us on with vast and mysterious. I just dont see how this new plan is gonna help the game but I do wish them the best.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lover, the dreamer, and me.
Putting the annoyance aside for the moment, which I fully understand and feel much the same, are you really jumping ship or just taking a break?
I had reached the played out point, and was looking forward to Mod 9 finally arriving, on hearing the news I would probably have taken a subscription break if I wasn't on a nice 6 month cheap plan from one of the anniversary offers. My problem is I have tried other MMOs and in comparison they just feel tedious and shallow. Plus I connected yesterday just to check the AH, played for about 6 hours and never got around to checking the AH, so even after 3.5 years and the recent debacles, damn thing can still be addictive with the right group.
I find PvP mind numbingly boring, I find noddy quests insulting, I can't play anything where I can't manually dodge projectiles, I need to be able to have character builds that are at least semi-different to other peoples, I find tromping across large zones with random spawn points on the pretext of exploring tedious and I find anything designed around everyone soloing shallow. So what else is there that I can play?
them pushing ddo to release in september is just bad. plain and simple. there are tons of new pay to play games coming out. ontop of that alot of LONG AWAITED free to play games as well. I think I can name about 20-30 going live in september.
Putting the annoyance aside for the moment, which I fully understand and feel much the same, are you really jumping ship or just taking a break?
I had reached the played out point, and was looking forward to Mod 9 finally arriving, on hearing the news I would probably have taken a subscription break if I wasn't on a nice 6 month cheap plan from one of the anniversary offers. My problem is I have tried other MMOs and in comparison they just feel tedious and shallow. Plus I connected yesterday just to check the AH, played for about 6 hours and never got around to checking the AH, so even after 3.5 years and the recent debacles, damn thing can still be addictive with the right group.
I find PvP mind numbingly boring, I find noddy quests insulting, I can't play anything where I can't manually dodge projectiles, I need to be able to have character builds that are at least semi-different to other peoples, I find tromping across large zones with random spawn points on the pretext of exploring tedious and I find anything designed around everyone soloing shallow. So what else is there that I can play?
Im hopefully jumping ship. Im human enough to say that ive threatened to quit before and only came back after seeing other mmo's didnt have the combat or comradrie ddo had for me. But those times I kept my subscription took a month or two off. This time though I cancelled both my subs to DDO and LOTRO. Simply the way they handle whats going on just doesnt sit right with me. They keep being secretive about whats going on, I feel like they led us along since the begining of the year and really started feeling jaded when they promised us in the march madness contest info on the mod only to have them give us stuff that wasnt relevant to the real plan. Then they tell us they knew since last year they were going free to play and had the EU idea but keep it as "vast and mysterious" till about June of this year. So us paid subscribers had to get used to the fact that they would be giving our game away free fine we want more players. Then the store they are implimenting fine those new players will have it easier. Now on top of that (asside from horrible lag, server restarts that had been abundant) they once again delay a mod that many had been hanging onto subs for. And even if it wasnt their intention the way they announced it not happening surely did conicide with many of us already having our accounts charged for the month. So even cancelling they got my money. It doesnt matter though Ive lost my trust in Turbine if I ever did use their products again id have to do it free and I dont feel right about that I dont think id enjoy the game setting asside other builds I worked hard on just to play four nor could I play and not be tempted to put money in their hands via the store. So im hoping I can walk away from it and I already said If I cant anyone who is mocking those who are cancelling can point and laugh at me.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lover, the dreamer, and me.
As to the other questiong I dont know
I dont think im gonna be going back to mmo's for a long time. DDO was my first mmo it spoiled me for others. Ive tried many of them while taking breaks due to frustration over lag or other in game nonsense only to come back to it. DDO is still the most unique game combat wise but you can only run the low level content so much and I hate rushing threw it for fear their maybe an actual new player in my group. My guild is full of people with 2 paid accounts full of capped characters. The guild leader has capped 20 characters all different classes some multi so he can be ready to do any job during a raid. They are a dedicated group this wait has made it where once again anyone new in the guild either has to really rush to enjoy most of the high end stuff with them or pug since they dont have room to make lowbies. Some of them have been in the game since headstart and been feeling the burden of this "wait" for the longest. Me ive tried everything not to get bored again and honestly if it was just me being bored again id just take another break till sept when the mod drops.
But to me cancelling even if its in vain shows turbine that im sick of their shady practices. Tired of them not willing to trust the players who show support by paying and throwing things at us like fan art contests when we just want more things to do in game. I still for the life of me dont understand why they put pvp in but no other time sinks? Even a gambling den would have been a better addition then nothing. And a person can only build, quest, loot and level till cap so much before it becomes tedious. Ive tried different builds different clases and long for more but I dont think they will see any of that "More" anytime soon. I hope im wrong and their mod the dreaming dark has more things the other players and I have asked for but with the way theyve handled mod 9 im kinda bitter at this point. Ive gone back to console games for when I need to game and besides reading forums my internet time has been cut short. Im trying to go have "the life" other fanbois have bandied at those of us who are fed up.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lover, the dreamer, and me.
I'm gonna have Kermit singing that goddamn song all day now stuck in my head thanks to your sig.
Thanks :P
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Well, I was looking forward to playing the final f2p release. Afterall, I don't want to level up a character and then have it wiped, so I've been spending very limited time in the Unlimited beta, just enough to get a feel for the character I was going to create and enjoy...
This just broke the camel's back though. I give up on Turbine completely. I'm sad that I've ever given them a penny for any of their mediocre games. Time to move on...
"Good people are good because they've come to wisdom through failure. We get very little wisdom from success, you know." William Saroyan
Meh, its dissappointing to me although not that surprising considering Turbine's track record with this game. I'm still going to give it another go. May even subscribe ahead of time assuming that's even possible at this point - doing the free trial right now.
I would be pissed if I was here the whole time but truthfully I played this game at launch and due to the multitude of issues it had then I moved on because it wasn't worth it to me regardless of the potential I saw the game had. How the hell some of you put up with that astounds me.
Anyways, as dissappointing as it is and as much as I'm not real sure rmt is going to save this game there just is so few other mmos out there that hold my interest I'll be back playing all the same. Of course, it helps I've been gone all this time so what's old news content wise to most is new to me and more than likely this game will probably never be my main - more a time filler when I'm burned out or simply don't feel like playing my main mmo.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Hehe sorry its one of my favorite songs from when I was little
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lover, the dreamer, and me.
The decision to quit a game is a serious matter. On the one hand, you will feel you wasted the time you spent with the game and are abandoning in game friends. On the other hand, once you have lost all faith in the developer, you will leave ultimately, and the early you do so, the quicker you can get involved in another game.
I quit DDO back in early June, after nearly 3 1/2 years of heavy play. Not playing took some period of adjustment. However, I played some free trials and looked into some upcoming games. Right now, I am excited about the upcoming Champions open Beta in 2 weeks. Even if that sucks, SWKOR will be coming along shortly.
Do what you feel is right. You may not like the new game as much as DDO, but you may like somethings about the new game better. Once you really know what you want in a game, it become easier to find one.
Game is quite fun with a group all the time. Without, I loathe it.
Yea it sucks it got delayed and it made me loose some excitement for the game but Turbine wouldnt do it without a very good reason.
As a LotrO player I wish Turbine had the balls to delay Moria for 2 months to polish it so Im actually glad that they decided to delay DDO to make it ready for release. If the release is a disaster then it would have a much more negative impact than delaying it one month since in the MMO industry delaying often is seen as something positive. We have seen hyped games like AoC and WAR crash and burn because they was released to early.
As to old time players quitting, I can see how much it sucks but think about tihs: You were playing a dying game that no one cares about and maybe would be shut down in the near future. Now Turbine is giving DDO another chance to be popular and succesfull and hopefully stay alive for years to come.
Also Mod 1 is pretty much already done so wont take long to get more high content. DDO have been through some dark time for the last year but its been for the long term success for the game.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Very understandable.
I tend to believe all big companies consist of a lot of good individuals doing their best, but when viewed as a whole they all leave bad feelings, if they don't they are probably just screwing you over without you being aware. I can't think of any large company (MMO or otherwise) that you wouldn't think some of their practices were less than ethical at times. So on that very jaundiced view of corporate mentality I don't except much and I can remain emotionally detached to a certain extent.
This news is annoying, but I still think DDO is the best MMO available for me, it isn't worth cancelling a good 6 month plan to take a holiday and I am casual enough, even though I have played since beta to not feel it too badly, so logical decision is to stick with it. However if something else came along that was an even better fit I wouldn't have any loyalty to Turbine, it would be a one sided relationship if I did.
Enjoy your move, and if it turns in to a break then welcome back (others' opinions only matter if you let them).
Lets see when it gets released. Turbine has a habit of claiming things are much closer to ready then they really are. Kind of like the F2P delay. Turbine sugarcoats things, more honesty and disclosure with their customers would be a good thing. That will only happen when Kate & Fernando are gone. DDO needs and deserves people running it who actually understand that particular game. Too many times over the years their reps have shown not to understand their players or even the game they play.
The good reason they delayed is the store(their new money maker) was not working right, but had the store been over charging for points it would have been released on time and corrected later. Which would follow the Turbine way with DDO, if the bug makes a quest impossible leave it alone until a fix comes months and months later. If the bug makes a quest easier or allows the players to have fun the quest will be shut down until fixed.
Lets see when it gets released. Turbine has a habit of claiming things are much closer to ready then they really are. Kind of like the F2P delay. Turbine sugarcoats things, more honesty and disclosure with their customers would be a good thing. That will only happen when Kate & Fernando are gone. DDO needs and deserves people running it who actually understand that particular game. Too many times over the years their reps have shown not to understand their players or even the game they play.
The good reason they delayed is the store(their new money maker) was not working right, but had the store been over charging for points it would have been released on time and corrected later. Which would follow the Turbine way with DDO, if the bug makes a quest impossible leave it alone until a fix comes months and months later. If the bug makes a quest easier or allows the players to have fun the quest will be shut down until fixed.
Yep once again no communication has people wondering if its the store, or a broken quest. No one is giving any answers only saying that the stress test on a preview server that many had too much trouble downloading to bother with finally helped their decision..
Why would they base somethinig so important on a server many of their player base did not take seriously? Its moves like this that had me worried for weeks now. And this latest lack of communications, this "Take our word for it and deal" just became too much. There are many people who are still angry and vocal me im just tired I watched them purge a good petition idea and I know now they just dont care and dont want people spreading any ideas that will cost them anything. I told the author of the petition I dont think the company cares that much about customer relations and the latest moves prove me right. I just hope their new plan works for them I hate to see such a unique game destroyed by bad business decisions.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lover, the dreamer, and me.
Eh you dont think they should make their decions based on STRESS TESTS on their BETA SERVER with thousands of people testing the game both new players and old vets?
So what do you think they should base it on?
DDO:Unlimited is not ready for release because the tests showed that the capacity wasnt enough so they had to delay it for 1 month, what more do you need to know?
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Eh you dont think they should make their decions based on STRESS TESTS on their BETA SERVER with thousands of people testing the game both new players and old vets?
So what do you think they should base it on?
DDO:Unlimited is not ready for release because the tests showed that the capacity wasnt enough so they had to delay it for 1 month, what more do you need to know?
Be nice to know why the same people make the same mistakes over and over and yet never pay the price for such poor choices. DDO has been and continues to be plagued by the worst upper management decisions I can remember.
Eh you dont think they should make their decions based on STRESS TESTS on their BETA SERVER with thousands of people testing the game both new players and old vets?
So what do you think they should base it on?
DDO:Unlimited is not ready for release because the tests showed that the capacity wasnt enough so they had to delay it for 1 month, what more do you need to know?
I think its cute your calling it a beta server when they called it a "preview server" the longest time. Then after they announced EU in June it supposedly became a beta server. But in that time they launched it with a terrible crappy download that many could not load right. Then if you did get it to download the game many still could not play the characters loaded onto the server. So yes I say it was a crappy decision because many did not take the preview server seriously. If they had instigated a proper test server and let people know "hey this is the real deal please help us." that would have been one thing. But they werent even offering help to many people who could not get the tda to launch properly. And it was the actions of a few faithful players who showed tricks around getting the darn thing to work.
Once again bad decisions made by a company for a game that was treading water for the longest time. Many of us used to say the things you did. Constantly defend Turbine despite lack of advertising and others calling the game a joke. Wish I could go back to those days but dont see it happening.
Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection, the lover, the dreamer, and me.
Eh you dont think they should make their decions based on STRESS TESTS on their BETA SERVER with thousands of people testing the game both new players and old vets?
So what do you think they should base it on?
DDO:Unlimited is not ready for release because the tests showed that the capacity wasnt enough so they had to delay it for 1 month, what more do you need to know?
I think its cute your calling it a beta server when they called it a "preview server" the longest time. Then after they announced EU in June it supposedly became a beta server. But in that time they launched it with a terrible crappy download that many could not load right. Then if you did get it to download the game many still could not play the characters loaded onto the server. So yes I say it was a crappy decision because many did not take the preview server seriously. If they had instigated a proper test server and let people know "hey this is the real deal please help us." that would have been one thing. But they werent even offering help to many people who could not get the tda to launch properly. And it was the actions of a few faithful players who showed tricks around getting the darn thing to work.
Once again bad decisions made by a company for a game that was treading water for the longest time. Many of us used to say the things you did. Constantly defend Turbine despite lack of advertising and others calling the game a joke. Wish I could go back to those days but dont see it happening.
Hehe they are calling it a BETA SEVER because the SERVER is hosting the CLOSED/Open BETA... Many did not take the server seriously? Eh ok? Well Turbine does since its their BETA SEVER. There are thousands of people on that server testing the game, just because you failed to dowload it doesnt make it any less important. The stress test showed tha it wasnt ready, you werent there and have no idea about whats going on. Im not going to bother anymore, Ive read you "blog" and other posts here so I dont think there is a point...
Its funny that you think you know more than the actual company if they should delay or not
You must know alot about servers and about running MMOs. Turbine have only done it for 10 years...
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
The reason why this is happening is 'cs Dungeons & Dragons Online provides a high level of dynamics to create unique character builds, allows players to experiance highly strategic levels of game play with a very tactile gameplay and faciliates a very social game play experiance through the group-mechanisms and instanced content. Other MMO's simply do not provide for the type of gameplay that's present in DDO as too many focus on the lowest denominator and a Rock/Paper/Scissors type of approach with their cookie-cutter character classes. This is why a lot have put up with it for as long as they have, but that fandom and desire to keep playing is continuing to fade quite rapidly.
I blame Turbine's management, not the "Dev's".