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AOC 450 Days Later (Summary)
LordBonezy
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Its now 550 Days since launch and 100 days since this was first written. We are still waiting for patch 1.06 which was supposed to be released a few months ago. Sieges are not busted to hell, with between 1/3-2/3 crashing and pretty much everything else is the exact same as writing. DX10 has improved marginally but only for certain folks and DX9 is still clearly the way to go unless you have a GPU made on a surface mount line yesterday, and the population is now between 75k-85k but certainly below 100k players. There is now an expansion in development and the company, Funcom has gone through another round of layoffs. Otherwise were still waiting for about 3-400 features in the game that have been requested since launch and not delivered. P.S. Enjoy the fake enlarged virtual boobs or arms your choice. Have a nice day. FU Funcom.
FACTS ABOUT AOC's CURRENT BUILD
-Smooth Sieges (Nope they are reported to be buggy and laggy)
-Guild Customzation options updated (Same as launch)
-Guild Bank Size (50 slots, same as launch)
-Consentual Duels on PVE servers (Same as launch, option to go to border kingdoms just like at launch, thats it)
-Mercenary system for bring more players into seige (Non-existent)
-Border Kingdoms Battle Towers (Rumored to be in 1.06, not in the current build)
-More than 2 crafting trades learnable on same character (nope)
-DX10 (Yeah its in the game finally, called a DX10beta, it works ok for some if you have a GTX series GPU. 8/9 series GPUS generally not enough beef to run DX10.
-Player Housing (Not in game)
-Drunken Brawls (Not in game)
-Player Arena Collesum type PVP area (Not in game)
Clothing Dyes to spuce up item variety (Nope)
-Random World Events such as weather events or massive outbreaks of extra NPCs (Not in game)
-Guild Alliance System (Not in game)
-Funcom hosted events, have there been any at all? (Not a single one since launch they are busy pretending to work on AOC)
-Guild Arena building or any additional guild buildings (None implemented)
-Cultural feats (none)
-Player ships or sea battles (never implemented)
-Guild city markets (not in game)
-Guild tax system so you can raise money for resources (Exists in alpha stage, didn't work, not fixed, no plans to do it officially)
-Transfers to Tyranny (cant do it they have too many players on Tyranny already lol)
-Bounty hunter system (Not in game)
-Ability to skip tortage with each new character (Not available)
-Dungeon maps (not in game its too dark down there to make a map)
-Resource rebalancing from launch for guild city constructions (Nope its the same as it was at launch)
Well there you have it, if you were wondering about any of these, suggested features or advertised features, pre launch post launch, a year later. Well its today a year and a quarter later and as you can see they've come a long way avoiding implementing features.
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Nice list of what they haven't done yet. What about the insane amount of bug fixes, the complete revamp of stats, the new playfields and instances, updated guild cities and everything else?
Dude, am I supposed to be grateful that they made the game playable after 1 year? That statistics finally work and have sense after one year? That dx10 is in beta state after one year? That Tier 2 raids are tweaked after 1 year? Sorry, call me a spoiled brat, but I take those things for GRANTED, you know, things that are actually taken for granted in other MMOs.
New playfields? Yeah, 2 brand new zones after one year and finally the levelling gap is resolved. How generous of Funcom. You do realize AoC world is a poor excuse for a world and is the smallest ever created in an MMO?
The insane amount of bug fixes? If you mean have they made performance fixes and does the client run smooth with sufficient ram on Vista or XP the answer is yes. They have fixed some bugs. Thats on one hand, on the other the server will stll red bar on occassion (a few times an hour) so that is not gone, and there are bugs that have not been fixed. Sieges are a broken mess and that is one of the hallmarks of AOC, additionally the ability to walk through walls, walls that cost 1Gold to build plus hours of resource harvesting, and a known bug for months, well I suspect that this is still an issue.
Just what have they updated with guild cities? When you say "everything else" please be specific. Just what does everything else mean, and I'm looking for substantial things you can show, which have improved, advertising on which they came through on, features which they have delivered the community has been requesting. I've shown you a list of a dozens of things they have yet to touch. My everything else is, minor bug fixes here, performance and DX10 which should have been part of this product at launch, are nothing to get a boner over. Sorry.
Hate to nitpick but they did have one event. For the 1 year anniversary something was supposed to happen, but FC completely borked it. Then blamed the players for expecting too much.
Otherwise, good list.
Ohhh, my you just may have made Avery's naughty list.
MAGA
75% of that list was stuff that not even the devs promised, just stuff people wished would be there. That's not a flaw at their end that's just a personal 'would be nice' list...I could come up with one of those for almost every MMO I have ever played, even WoW.
They have added a ton of new content, fixed a lot of issues and added a lot of great new systems over the last year. They have done the main things people wanted fixed first, including completely re-writing their item and stats system included. Sure it isn't the 'next big thing' that is 'perfect' to everyone, but that game will never exist
AoC certainly has beaten WAR hands down in post launch additions, and is about even with LOTRO I think (maybe a little behind). Sure, there are lots of things they still could add (like things on your list) but that doesn't mean they havent done a great job with a lot of additions up until now. It's just trolling to only point the stuff they havent done and ignore all the stuff they have done. There are things they havent done that annoy me for sure (like the polish fixes and visual glitches) but I'll mention those at the same time as acknowledging that the game is much improved.
here is a much shorter summary
it is lame (still)
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Bingo. This seems the only segment of an industry where an unfinished, buggy product is accepted by the populace. If you got a new car that leaked oil, had a slippy transmission, and had a defective wheel, would you accept the car company telling you that the concept of the car is great, and that they'll be fixing that gasket problem soon? Legally(in states with Lemon Laws), you can turn that car back in and get your money. Yet we have tons of people who wonder why others bitch when Funcom releases an unfinished product. Just because you like to take it prison-style from them, doesn't mean the rest of us should.
...good luck finding an MMO you can enjoy again...ever..unless Blizzard with their near infinite resources decide to make another (even then I'll guess it will have some bugs, WoW did). Maybe MMO games just aren't for you, or maybe we are all dellusional and should all stop playing these things
Personally if a game is fun enough I can live with the odd bug and glitch, and I don't think that's strange. I have never played an MMO that hasn't had numerous bugs and stability issues, hell, even the US launch of WoW was reasonably horrible, and how long did those damn books float above the town because they moved an Inn in the plaguelands but forgot to move the furnture? Nine months or so? No game is perfect, if you want perfection I thin for now you are following the wrong genre 
Yes, the game IS much improved from Launch. However, what that really means is that the game is currently in the state of development where it SHOULD have been at Launch.
It is no different than getting stabbed by a surgeon and then having that surgeon patch you up. Does it make getting stabbed by that surgeon any better just because he patched you up or is that surgeon still in deep shit for stabbing you in the first place?
Fair enough, to each their own, but likewise it also means you shouldn't tell us that can live with a few bugs how to enjoy our games. You don't like it - that's fine, drop it and move on and leave us that enjoy MMOs (flaws and all) to enjoy them
I think a surgeon analogy is a bit harsh. Was the game good enough at launch for me to pay for it? Nope, so I didn't.
Is it good enough now, sure, for me it is. Am I bitter about the period between it not being good enough and now? No, not really, life is way to short for nerdrage against a game or company behind a game. When people make a game I can enjoy I'll pay them, when they don't I won't...lots of others didn't either and Funcom had to deal with that. I am fine with acknowledging that they fixed and giving credit where credit is due (hell, it is even a different people at the helm now, can't blame them for the previous administrations screw ups
all they can do is work on it no?). We all voted with our feet at launch, and now some are coming back...don't see the point myself in being bitter about the bad launch. People have the choice to be bitter sure, free world, just seems kinda pointless to me!
Fair enough, to each their own, but likewise it also means you shouldn't tell us that can live with a few bugs how to enjoy our games. You don't like it - that's fine, drop it and move on and leave us that enjoy MMOs (flaws and all) to enjoy them
I'm not talking about a few flaws. I'm talking about stuff that is BROKEN. You think leaking memory like a sieve is a "minor bug"? You think Seiges, one of the main attractions they advertised ad infinitum about the game, being broken, is a "bug"? You think lack of playable content past Tortage is a "bug"? They said things would work in-game that didn't. MMO releasers seem to think these things don't matter. If you think this is right...I got a car to sell you. I'm saying that, while a few bugs are to be expected, accepting a Roach Motel full of bugs is masochistic. You wouldn't accept it from any other genre.
two events. they had a "kill the goat" event around christmas
also, of this list, please list what was promised, what was presented as ideas or suggestions, what is whishfull thinking by OP?
Even drunken brawling wasnt promised, it was only presented as something they wanted to do. DX 10 was promised though (written on the box), and they spent a hell of a long time before the delivered a semi workable solution.
Originally posted by BishopB:
Are a lot of the trolls just angry kids with old gaming hardware?
Fair enough, to each their own, but likewise it also means you shouldn't tell us that can live with a few bugs how to enjoy our games. You don't like it - that's fine, drop it and move on and leave us that enjoy MMOs (flaws and all) to enjoy them
And who exactly made you read this post? Even better who made you reply to it, I've read posts that "glow" about products I thought were shit and I kindly left the room because I didn't feel I could add anything or convince them otherwise yet you come in the post and expect something different why is that? Some of those features have surely been promised by FC and atleast three of them were on the box what possible excuse could there be that a year and a quarter later these things are not ready?
How ready could they have been when advertised if this far down the road they aren't ready?But honestly who is stopping you from enjoying your game? You clicked the button to read the post and even more so you and only you let what other posters had to say effect your enjoyment, I think the in all honesty the truth hurts which as I stated is why when I hear people heap glowing praise it doesn't bother me I know what this game is about already. I've stated players like yourself are the problem with mmos the exact reason that some companies will put up with less than adequate talent and management because there are in fact suckers out there who will gladly pay for crap still some 15 or so years after the genre emerged but I still don't feel as if I can or should try to stop you from doing so or even speaking out about your love of AOC or FC, you like the game shill away with the other lambs being led to slaughter but don't assume that the right is yours to stop those who have a negative opinion of what these companies do.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
spend another $50 and part of this stuff will be repackaged and called "EXPANSION "
Right, the majority of the things on the list were not promised by the devs. What was promised was a PVP system, drunken brawls, DX10. Suggestion forum was up at launch, since the first week the game was live players have been asking for the same things over and over and new suggestions have come to light since then. There are literally 10,000s of threads in there, all ignored.
They've delivered a PVP system which has no real consequence for PVP murder actions, provides little incentive to do it beyond the acts themselves, and it certainly does nothing, NOTHING to prevent greifing or ganking which is what it was intended to do.
DX10 is a weak beta which works but not as well as other DX10 apps on the market and it certainly doesn't run on the specs quoted on the box, in fact the only configuration you can run it well is with a GTX series GPU or ATI equivalent and some players are reporting problems with their card and AOC.
Their item stats were never done in the first place and yes they should be commended for re-writing text files good for them. They could have accomplished that months ago too. Just like DX10, just like putting the game out with a functional PVP system, or performance that wouldn't make you have to re-start the client after 30 min or zoning, for the first 3 months of play.
Really what does "tons" of new content mean? That is such an Erling Ellingsen saying, "tons" of anything without specifics. Never played LOTRO or WAR, could care less what either has done. Wish they'd done more though because maybe some increased competition would have given the AOC team more motivation to drive more improvements and real feature adds.
The majority of the list is player suggested things that have been made repeatedly for the last year and never implemented. Can't tell me that adding a bigger player bank is something they are just waiting to add later cause its a low priority. Just like a hundred or so other ideas. They aren't doing it because they are low balling the effort in favor of the next project which isn't AOC.
"Consentual Duels on PVE servers (Same as launch, option to go to border kingdoms just like at launch, thats it)"
Obviously you were nto there at launch, this was disabled and did not work, at least for first few weeks.
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I think a surgeon analogy is a bit harsh. Was the game good enough at launch for me to pay for it? Nope, so I didn't.
Is it good enough now, sure, for me it is. Am I bitter about the period between it not being good enough and now? No, not really, life is way to short for nerdrage against a game or company behind a game. When people make a game I can enjoy I'll pay them, when they don't I won't...lots of others didn't either and Funcom had to deal with that. I am fine with acknowledging that they fixed and giving credit where credit is due (hell, it is even a different people at the helm now, can't blame them for the previous administrations screw ups
all they can do is work on it no?). We all voted with our feet at launch, and now some are coming back...don't see the point myself in being bitter about the bad launch. People have the choice to be bitter sure, free world, just seems kinda pointless to me!
I think the op actually recently subbed and was recently banned for making a sarcastic post about alot of the complaints he has made here that's not being bitter about a bad launch it's being pissed that after however much he dropped on the box and countless months of subs they have not added alot of these things (some of which were advertised by the way to be in at launch) and I still can't see why he does not have the right to come and post this according to you. I stated in his last post as well that some of these analogies do go a bit far things like surgeons cutting you open cars with parts missing etc. fine, what if you went to the music store and bought the album of a group you liked and see on the back ten songs advertised pop the disc in and find five none of which are very good and the single you heard on the radio is not even one of them I assume you'd be pissed about it but for some reason we can't see that this is no different than what these gaming companies do and we continue to support them and make excuses for them.
I say that if even one of those advertised features was not there he has every right to complain let alone numerous missing features and bugs included and as far as we know one person has changed in the administration of this game the rest of the guys as far as I know are the same ones that screwed the pooch in the first place I don't see that as a good reason to continue to support them but hey to each there own and that includes people like you and me and the op too.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
so after 450 days after launch, aoc has failed to make the exact game the op wants.
you could do that list for any game.
yes the game should have been where it is now at launch, and yes they still have a ways to go.
its still fun, and its far from the flop it was at launch.
hopefully the next massive patch comes soon.
Kill the goat? Never heard of it elaborate please...
List what was promised try wikipedia's article on AOC for a reality check. This thread is a fact check on what is not in the game without regard to if it came from the community or the devs. I'd argue community suggestions are more valuble and important to the improving of a product than initial ideas by the development because they are what they paying customers want. You need to have customers and purchasers in order to have a product. Drunkenbrawling was indeed a feature implied to be in the product at launch, before the launch. DX10 was on the fucking box just like it was on Crysis. The Crysis box shipped with DX10, AOC didn't.
They spent a hell of a long time delivering a semi-workable solution. Is that a performance based assessment or a here's a cookie assesment?
Oh no you don't...
This isn't what I want specifically. I wanted a game that was fun and worth paying for.
I wanted a game where players didn't leave because the game was so morbidly put together that they left from bordom.
I wanted a game where the devs fixed it up fast and improved it based on what their community wanted and didn't go in some direction that wouldn't make it successful.
The community came up with these suggestions I supported most of them. None of them are in the game simple as that.
There are weather in some places like Field of the dead.
And I never heard anything about player housing from the devs? The guildcity have been in all the time and the only thing I heard about player housing is wishes from players that they could have houses in there.
But, yes. FC are rather slow with fixing stuff. However the only game-breaker in there is that you must do Tortage with all your characters. The biggest issue with AoC is still that it needs twice the amounts of zones and dungeons to feel like a big MMO, now it is just small.
That is the reason I quited and went back to EQ2, I don't really care about the rest of the stuff. They did a good job about fixing the game but it is just too small still. Since zones can be rather big like Ymirs pass the game do have potential but it will need an expansion or 2 to fully bloom out.
As for that DX10 only works with state of the art GFX card: Cry me a river. If you care that much about DX10 buy a state of the art GFX card. Most people don't AoC graphics are still the best I seen without DX10, the graphics is AoCs least problem.
Hello? If a game is fun and worth playing is a matter of taste. What you want might not be the game I want. So it is kinda useless to discuss that.
The reason most people left AoC was because they released it 6 months too early and the game was so buggy that it was extremly hard to play. It was also badly balanced at start. And the game was too small.
If they had worked another year, fixed all buggs and added a lot more zones the game wouldn't be the small game it is today. But like all MMO companies they thought they could release it with only the noob zone fixed, get the money and fix the game while it was running, but instead they lost 90% of the players. The exact same thing that happened to WAR BTW.
AoC is not a bad game in itself, it is just way too small.
Hello? If a game is fun and worth playing is a matter of taste. What you want might not be the game I want. So it is kinda useless to discuss that.
The reason most people left AoC was because they released it 6 months too early and the game was so buggy that it was extremly hard to play. It was also badly balanced at start. And the game was too small.
If they had worked another year, fixed all buggs and added a lot more zones the game wouldn't be the small game it is today. But like all MMO companies they thought they could release it with only the noob zone fixed, get the money and fix the game while it was running, but instead they lost 90% of the players. The exact same thing that happened to WAR BTW.
AoC is not a bad game in itself, it is just way too small.
I think what happened to WAR was much different than what happened to AOC WAR just turned out to be too much like what was on the market not enough to separate themselves from the masses so it gave players little reason to stay on what AOC did was launch a game barely playable and what was playable was unispiring, I agree that what someone thinks is fun and not is a matter of taste not worth the discussion but it seems op was just lending a different spin to his point as most of what he complains about earlier are valid points that have less to do with fun and more to do with trust and competence two things that for most players aoc is lacking, but my main point is still WAR is not what AOC was nor did Mythic do what FC did and I for one would much rather try a game and find out it wasn't fun than to try a game and find out most of what they advertise isn't there and what is doesn't work well.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....