Sounds like you are kind of over MMOs in general. No worries man, they aren't for everyone. Show me an MMO that doesn't require you to kill mobs and I will buy you a coke. MMO stands for Massive Multi-player Online...now where exactly did you infer mob killing in that? And please don't say freerealms, or hello kitty bake out or any other kids games. Ohh, I see, if you don't have to mindlessly pew pew mobs, then it's a kid game. Only mature adults mindlessly grind their life away.
So you want an online game where players mainly only kill other players, I suppose they should make up their own stories and content while killing only other players too. I know you didn't mention quests or story but usually they go hand in hand with having mobs to kill/interract with... You know the sandbox dream that people keep crying for doesn't sound very fun!
Just like this game, that's not for everyone, and likely not for a majority of players. I don't think a majority of players want an MMORPG to exclude having mobs to kill, as 100% PVP can be accomplished in FPS's and other mulitplayer games. Nor do I think a majority of MMO players want quests and story removed, as not everyone is in to making up their own (role playing). I've said it before and I'll say it again, MMORPG's without quests and story, to me are just unfinished RPG's. I don't know one table top RPG where the player creates the story as they go along.. Naw the DM tells the story and the players generally follow the leads given by NPC's (controlled by the DM) for completing quests, killing mobs and moving the story forward.
Originally posted by pimpdizzle Aion is challenging. I think thats one thing that I really enjoy about the game. For so long I played WoW and could just completely destroy mobs no matter my lvl. In Aion the mobs can be hard to kill and exciting. The fact that its linear in the starting areas is fine with me. Not really a game breaker for me as long as the game is fun to play and brings cool looking areas. Its not really and azn grind fest either. Although personally I enjoy those games because I hate being max level so fast! + it makes pvp more interesting. Overall I love the game!
What a load of bullocks :S. I press exactly 2 (3 for the a hot) buttons (in PVE) and kill everything without giving it a second thought.
Aion is challenging. I think thats one thing that I really enjoy about the game. For so long I played WoW and could just completely destroy mobs no matter my lvl. In Aion the mobs can be hard to kill and exciting.
The fact that its linear in the starting areas is fine with me. Not really a game breaker for me as long as the game is fun to play and brings cool looking areas.
Its not really and azn grind fest either. Although personally I enjoy those games because I hate being max level so fast! + it makes pvp more interesting.
Overall I love the game!
What a load of bullocks :S. I press exactly 2 (3 for the a hot) buttons (in PVE) and kill everything without giving it a second thought.
Extreme challenge.
Do you hit them randomly, or do you plan out the keystrokes?
This is a solid MMO as it stands. Wether it has the legs to keep people hooked a few years from now remains to be seen ( grinding - / depth) but I certainly find the game fun. Its not like I'm looking for a life substitute MMO these days (like EQ was), and I think many people like me are just fine with that. At least the game is fully functioning and has plenty of polish, unlike some recent launches.
Am I the only one laughing at statements like this? Polish. Let's see. Water is for looking at only basically. Can't swim in it at all. Useless areas means wasted resource. The linear path you have to take to level via quest is worse than WoW and forget grinding MOB's - I do not do that anymore in MMORPG's - that is worse than getting a root canal. It is a grind when it takes for frakking ever to kill a mob - a simple mob. A grind is a grind. I can't imagine what it will be like to get to 50! Forget it. Been there and done that in L2.
Each side has one starter area. One! OMG. Seriosuly flawed imbalances to classes, also - like Rangers. OMG can the Ranger class be designed worse than this? I do not think so. Forgive me for thinking this, but seriously. Does anyone honestly think the classes are balanced in this game? Cleric's, I truly feel for them. Those first 20 levels are a bitch. Forget soloing. Best find a Templar and stick to them like glue. This game needs some serious class balancing.
Don't get me talking about the gimmicky wings they added. Why give players wings with such limited use? Seriously. Can anyone answer me this? What purpose does it serve?
Abyss is the only place for good PvP. That will get old. Fighting in the same zone, night after night. ::shakes her head:: Even we that played Planetside had more maps to choose from. If I wished to fight for the same zone over and over again I'll play BF2 Strike at Karkand. At least it is fun.
A prediction. 3 months max after release people will be bitching about the lameness of this game and how poorly it was designed. Just like they did for AoC, WAR and DFO. ^_^ My opinion.
I kind of felt the same way after playing through 4 betas. I constantly heard the word polish polish polish and as I was playing it I was like, "ummmm, ok." I think this game will have a healthy life until the huge wave of big name mmos come out next year and in 2011. Then it will be a ghost town.
Originally posted by Emeraq Originally posted by -aLpHa-
Originally posted by pimpdizzle Aion is challenging. I think thats one thing that I really enjoy about the game. For so long I played WoW and could just completely destroy mobs no matter my lvl. In Aion the mobs can be hard to kill and exciting. The fact that its linear in the starting areas is fine with me. Not really a game breaker for me as long as the game is fun to play and brings cool looking areas. Its not really and azn grind fest either. Although personally I enjoy those games because I hate being max level so fast! + it makes pvp more interesting. Overall I love the game!
What a load of bullocks :S. I press exactly 2 (3 for the a hot) buttons (in PVE) and kill everything without giving it a second thought. Extreme challenge.
Do you hit them randomly, or do you plan out the keystrokes?
Why should i? I got a chain skills on button 2 and the other chain is on 3 just keep pressing the buttons(make it easier with macros press 1 button) over and over and over. Whatever cooldown is up gets hit, there is nothing to plan. Why should i? There is no need.
After playing RF Online for so long this game really is awesome. They might not have the futuristic sci fi feel of rf but the grind is so much better. Personally I don't think there will be nearly as many bots as L2 has. I'm guessing more towards Wahammer numbers simply because money seems like it will have the same importance as WoW and War. Only thing I dislike so far is the amount of time it takes to get to pvp.
If someone comes here and says they are happy with a game why must these vampires come along and try to ruins it?
I honestly dont understand what they want, if the guy thinks this is a great game and is having fun let him, if you dont like it move along, just stop being so damn arrogant and let people have different opinions than yours. This is indeed a great game, and im sure we will have loads of fun playing it, let them stay here bitching about this and other games in the meanwhile...
Stop being so damn arrogant yourself and let those people EXPRESS their opinions instead of saying "different opinions are fine, I just don't want to hear about them"
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Well, your theory seems a bit flawed. Im not saying that they dont have right to express their opinion, what i am saying is that someone came to the forum to say they were enjoying the game, and he never said that the other people should also enjoy it, but the responses he got was from people saying that he was mistaken in liking the game.
Fact is, the OP never tried to make others think like him, neither did I, but all the trolls on this thread are certainly trying to make those who enjoy it stop liking the game.
This is not a church, therefore we don't need people creating 'testimonials' about how good (or for that matter how bad) a game is.
By creating a new thread touting the wonders of Aion, the OP basically throws down the gauntlet and invites other posters to disagree (or agree) with him.
That's what discussion forums are for, to discuss games, not to preach about them.
If you want nothing but positives about a game... official forums are that way ------------------------------>
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
It's a good game, I really don't get why people call it so simplistic compared to other games. WoW was simplistic. As are 99% of present mmos. With the exception of a few(probably older) games. Things get progressively less simplistic as you go.(yeah you have to level to get there who'd know?:P) I do realize that mmos aren't for everyone and people tend to imprint on the first mmo they've ever played. Some will like this flavor better than others. I love it.<shrugs> and I could argue those that hate it till they're blue in the face. They could tell me it doesn't have this this and this and I'd point out something that other game didn't have or did have that I hated. My recommendation, if you still like mmos and arn't afraid to invest time in something that could be percieved as different give this game(at live) till 35 then if you still dislike it you can probably give a really good argument that I'll accept yet disagree with.:P I've played too many crap games these last few years FINALLY something has come along that I can give my wholehearted aproval to. To all their own.
No swimming? Forget it. If I can't go swimming in my virtual world, I won't play!
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You know... I will say this about swimming - and you having put so many hours in WoW, I imagine you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Think of all the areas of exploration there are underwater in WoW... entire sunken environments, ruins, sunken ships, etc.. some pretty massive and elaborate areas with numerous quest chains taking you to/through them.
It's not the end of the world if a MMO doesn't have swimming (though I do find it kinda odd these days), but it's also not some insane or ridiculous idea. Swimming opens the way for a lot of territory for questing, exploring, etc.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
If someone comes here and says they are happy with a game why must these vampires come along and try to ruins it?
I honestly dont understand what they want, if the guy thinks this is a great game and is having fun let him, if you dont like it move along, just stop being so damn arrogant and let people have different opinions than yours. This is indeed a great game, and im sure we will have loads of fun playing it, let them stay here bitching about this and other games in the meanwhile...
Stop being so damn arrogant yourself and let those people EXPRESS their opinions instead of saying "different opinions are fine, I just don't want to hear about them"
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Well, your theory seems a bit flawed. Im not saying that they dont have right to express their opinion, what i am saying is that someone came to the forum to say they were enjoying the game, and he never said that the other people should also enjoy it, but the responses he got was from people saying that he was mistaken in liking the game.
Fact is, the OP never tried to make others think like him, neither did I, but all the trolls on this thread are certainly trying to make those who enjoy it stop liking the game.
This is not a church, therefore we don't need people creating 'testimonials' about how good (or for that matter how bad) a game is.
By creating a new thread touting the wonders of Aion, the OP basically throws down the gauntlet and invites other posters to disagree (or agree) with him.
That's what discussion forums are for, to discuss games, not to preach about them.
If you want nothing but positives about a game... official forums are that way ------------------------------>
Did you even properly read what he wrote? You're putting words in his mouth. He never wrote that. What he wrote is that people go beyond discussing and end up trying to impose their opinions on someone else as if their opinions are FACTS. Which they're not. This goes for both sides.
"from people saying that he was mistaken in liking the game"
That's what he was saying. How can he be mistaken if it's his opinion? Discuss.
What a load of bullocks :S. I press exactly 2 (3 for the a hot) buttons (in PVE) and kill everything without giving it a second thought.
Extreme challenge.
Do you hit them randomly, or do you plan out the keystrokes?
Why should i? I got a chain skills on button 2 and the other chain is on 3 just keep pressing the buttons(make it easier with macros press 1 button) over and over and over. Whatever cooldown is up gets hit, there is nothing to plan. Why should i? There is no need.
Ok, so you don't like the game, Alpha. That's too bad. I can understand your concern but there are a few things you are leaving out or don't know about the game.
First it sounds like you are playing a Priest. It is well known that Clerics in the game are designed to be primarily healers in a group environment, you will never have a lot of different combo attacks because the game is designed around Clerics doing mostly healing during a fight. The combo attacks that, say, a Gladiator get are replaced by heals with the Cleric.
Chanters are a little better. They were generally used in PvP combat up until 1.5 as buffers/secondary DPS/secondary healers. Again, a lot of DPS + combos are replaced by buffs and heals on the chanter.
Second, it sounds like you expect to have 10 different things to do at level 5. The game is eases new players into their classes and doesn't start opening up until after 10 when you choose your sub-class. By level 50 most of the DPS classes will have over 40 skills to manage a lot of them only being available in combos and the player must keep track of where they're at in a combo chain during usually hectic PvP encounters.
The game becomes challenging the higher you get.
Not trying to say your point isn't valid. I too would have liked it if there were more skills available earlier in the game. Especially for Warriors.... 2 useful skills until 10. I completely understand if you don't like the game or find it boring, I just wanted to point out that Aion is not the same game at 1 that it is at 50.
Edit: Forgot to say that spamming 1 button to perform a combo works at lower levels when there is only 1 chain of progression for the combo. Once you have a combo that splits into 2 you can no longer do the 1 button spamming thing. But, if they didn't set it up this way we would need at least another 2 hotbars (in addition to the 3 that most people will have full at 50) to have access to all of the combos.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
If someone comes here and says they are happy with a game why must these vampires come along and try to ruins it?
I honestly dont understand what they want, if the guy thinks this is a great game and is having fun let him, if you dont like it move along, just stop being so damn arrogant and let people have different opinions than yours. This is indeed a great game, and im sure we will have loads of fun playing it, let them stay here bitching about this and other games in the meanwhile...
Stop being so damn arrogant yourself and let those people EXPRESS their opinions instead of saying "different opinions are fine, I just don't want to hear about them"
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Well, your theory seems a bit flawed. Im not saying that they dont have right to express their opinion, what i am saying is that someone came to the forum to say they were enjoying the game, and he never said that the other people should also enjoy it, but the responses he got was from people saying that he was mistaken in liking the game.
Fact is, the OP never tried to make others think like him, neither did I, but all the trolls on this thread are certainly trying to make those who enjoy it stop liking the game.
This is not a church, therefore we don't need people creating 'testimonials' about how good (or for that matter how bad) a game is.
Errr.... What does a testimonial have to do with church? I think you're confusing it with something else. Otherwise I agree with your post :-p
By creating a new thread touting the wonders of Aion, the OP basically throws down the gauntlet and invites other posters to disagree (or agree) with him.
That's what discussion forums are for, to discuss games, not to preach about them.
If you want nothing but positives about a game... official forums are that way ------------------------------>
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Originally posted by Dameonk Originally posted by -aLpHa-
Originally posted by Emeraq
Originally posted by -aLpHa-
What a load of bullocks :S. I press exactly 2 (3 for the a hot) buttons (in PVE) and kill everything without giving it a second thought. Extreme challenge.
Do you hit them randomly, or do you plan out the keystrokes?
Why should i? I got a chain skills on button 2 and the other chain is on 3 just keep pressing the buttons(make it easier with macros press 1 button) over and over and over. Whatever cooldown is up gets hit, there is nothing to plan. Why should i? There is no need.
Ok, so you don't like the game, Alpha. That's too bad. I can understand your concern but there are a few things you are leaving out or don't know about the game. First it sounds like you are playing a Priest. It is well known that Clerics in the game are designed to be primarily healers in a group environment, you will never have a lot of different combo attacks because the game is designed around Clerics doing mostly healing during a fight. The combo attacks that, say, a Gladiator get are replaced by heals with the Cleric. Chanters are a little better. They were generally used in PvP combat up until 1.5 as buffers/secondary DPS/secondary healers. Again, a lot of DPS + combos are replaced by buffs and heals on the chanter. Second, it sounds like you expect to have 10 different things to do at level 5. The game is eases new players into their classes and doesn't start opening up until after 10 when you choose your sub-class. By level 50 most of the DPS classes will have over 40 skills to manage a lot of them only being available in combos and the player must keep track of where they're at in a combo chain during usually hectic PvP encounters. The game becomes challenging the higher you get. Not trying to say your point isn't valid. I too would have liked it if there were more skills available earlier in the game. Especially for Warriors.... 2 useful skills until 10. I completely understand if you don't like the game or find it boring, I just wanted to point out that Aion is not the same game at 1 that it is at 50. Edit: Forgot to say that spamming 1 button to perform a combo works at lower levels when there is only 1 chain of progression for the combo. Once you have a combo that splits into 2 you can no longer do the 1 button spamming thing. But, if they didn't set it up this way we would need at least another 2 hotbars (in addition to the 3 that most people will have full at 50) to have access to all of the combos.
We where talking about PVE being challenging and i played a Chanter until level 20 and there was no challenge. Don't misunderstand i may play the game to experience the later PVP part but some people make it really sound that there is such a huge complexity in this game.
We where talking about PVE being challenging and i played a Chanter until level 20 and there was no challenge. Don't misunderstand i may play the game to experience the later PVP part but some people make it really sound that there is such a huge complexity in this game.
Yea, it was pretty late last night when I typed that. I missed the part about PvE. My statement still stands that Priests have the least amount of attacks in the game, though.
I think that maybe you and the pimpdizzle just have different opinions on what you consider challenging PvE.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
I understand that MMOs dont give you all of the skills right away, which is to be expected. I was just saying that the difficulty of the mobs seemed a bit higher than your standard mmo today.
Ive played almost all of the mmos out and everytime I would go hunt mobs it would be way 2 ez to kill them. Im not saying that I cant kill a mob in Aion in a few seconds, Its just that sometimes they do give me a run for my money.
Some of the 4 dot mobs are actually tough!
Also, I find the group play fun because of the mobs scaling to the party size.
If the combat is too boring for you maybe its the class you chose? Although Im sure in higher levels all of the classes will be interesting due to more skills.
oh and grinding games can be fun if you always have a party to log into and play with. Sometimes grinding solo is boring, but when you have a set group of ppl that always grind together it can actually be kind of relaxing. I guess for me it just brings me back to when I first got the internet and all I could do was chat lol. Now I can play a game and get some good convo goin at the same time. plus pvp ofcourse.
This is a solid MMO as it stands. Wether it has the legs to keep people hooked a few years from now remains to be seen ( grinding - / depth) but I certainly find the game fun. Its not like I'm looking for a life substitute MMO these days (like EQ was), and I think many people like me are just fine with that. At least the game is fully functioning and has plenty of polish, unlike some recent launches.
Am I the only one laughing at statements like this? Polish. Let's see. Water is for looking at only basically. Can't swim in it at all. Useless areas means wasted resource. The linear path you have to take to level via quest is worse than WoW and forget grinding MOB's - I do not do that anymore in MMORPG's - that is worse than getting a root canal. It is a grind when it takes for frakking ever to kill a mob - a simple mob. A grind is a grind. I can't imagine what it will be like to get to 50! Forget it. Been there and done that in L2.
Each side has one starter area. One! OMG. Seriosuly flawed imbalances to classes, also - like Rangers. OMG can the Ranger class be designed worse than this? I do not think so. Forgive me for thinking this, but seriously. Does anyone honestly think the classes are balanced in this game? Cleric's, I truly feel for them. Those first 20 levels are a bitch. Forget soloing. Best find a Templar and stick to them like glue. This game needs some serious class balancing.
Don't get me talking about the gimmicky wings they added. Why give players wings with such limited use? Seriously. Can anyone answer me this? What purpose does it serve?
Abyss is the only place for good PvP. That will get old. Fighting in the same zone, night after night. ::shakes her head:: Even we that played Planetside had more maps to choose from. If I wished to fight for the same zone over and over again I'll play BF2 Strike at Karkand. At least it is fun.
A prediction. 3 months max after release people will be bitching about the lameness of this game and how poorly it was designed. Just like they did for AoC, WAR and DFO. ^_^ My opinion.
WoW...I'm not sure if youve played the game or not but just about everything you said is total BS. Awesome job trying to down Aion. Those that have played it and took the time is enjoy it see Aion for what it really is.
One Word? Disappointment I've heard "Aion this, Aion that" for years now, I finally play the game and I'm like, "Ok, what's the hype about?" You can't fix this game either. They can add in swimming(they probably will so they don't look like failsauce), they will balance the classes better, but many things about the game are what they are and thats the way it will be. It's an over-hyped, gimmicky, linear, pvp focused, asian "quest"(-_-) grinder, with battles looking like the Clone Wars because everyone looks similar. Now tell me this is going to change... It's not. If people stopped hyping it so much like it's going to make Blizzard pee in their pants, and actually took a more objective look at the game, I think many of us would stop attacking it. Its like when you go to a review and fans(promoters possibly as well) give something an undeserved 10/10. You are going to have people come in and give it 1/10 just to bring it back down to reality, which is exactly where many Aion fans appear to not be at the moment.
I truely hope dudes like you stay away from it so the community is half decent...can't ncsoft find a way to keep the downers out? lol
This is a solid MMO as it stands. Wether it has the legs to keep people hooked a few years from now remains to be seen ( grinding - / depth) but I certainly find the game fun. Its not like I'm looking for a life substitute MMO these days (like EQ was), and I think many people like me are just fine with that. At least the game is fully functioning and has plenty of polish, unlike some recent launches.
Am I the only one laughing at statements like this? Polish. Let's see. Water is for looking at only basically. Can't swim in it at all. Useless areas means wasted resource. The linear path you have to take to level via quest is worse than WoW and forget grinding MOB's - I do not do that anymore in MMORPG's - that is worse than getting a root canal. It is a grind when it takes for frakking ever to kill a mob - a simple mob. A grind is a grind. I can't imagine what it will be like to get to 50! Forget it. Been there and done that in L2.
Each side has one starter area. One! OMG. Seriosuly flawed imbalances to classes, also - like Rangers. OMG can the Ranger class be designed worse than this? I do not think so. Forgive me for thinking this, but seriously. Does anyone honestly think the classes are balanced in this game? Cleric's, I truly feel for them. Those first 20 levels are a bitch. Forget soloing. Best find a Templar and stick to them like glue. This game needs some serious class balancing.
Don't get me talking about the gimmicky wings they added. Why give players wings with such limited use? Seriously. Can anyone answer me this? What purpose does it serve?
Abyss is the only place for good PvP. That will get old. Fighting in the same zone, night after night. ::shakes her head:: Even we that played Planetside had more maps to choose from. If I wished to fight for the same zone over and over again I'll play BF2 Strike at Karkand. At least it is fun.
A prediction. 3 months max after release people will be bitching about the lameness of this game and how poorly it was designed. Just like they did for AoC, WAR and DFO. ^_^ My opinion.
WoW...I'm not sure if youve played the game or not but just about everything you said is total BS. Awesome job trying to down Aion. Those that have played it and took the time is enjoy it see Aion for what it really is.
Ya !!!! Sounds like someone has not played much or got Ganked. Hope to see Teala in beta so me and my guild can Gank him and make him feel real good.
Played Aoc/DDO/FFXI/WAR / LoTRo / CO / Aion Playing Rift
Waiting for FFXIV to be the game it should. so sad =(
I truely hope dudes like you stay away from it so the community is half decent...can't ncsoft find a way to keep the downers out? lol
Heh, I don't think you have to worry about me staying away from it. I've played it, it wasn't enjoyable in the least bit, and I won't be back. NCSoft is doing a fine job of keeping me out by the monotonous, bland, simplistic, unoriginal, asian throw together they are trying to promote and act like is what I have been praying for in an MMO for years.
This game is not it. If you enjoy it, fine, knock yourself out, bro, but you can see from the responses here that this game is not what it is hyped to be. It's a marketing ploy to get subs. This game is going to flop hard, mark my words. Most people that have played this genre 10 years can see that in about 5 minutes. I know, the truth hurts...deal with it.
I truely hope dudes like you stay away from it so the community is half decent...can't ncsoft find a way to keep the downers out? lol
Heh, I don't think you have to worry about me staying away from it. I've played it, it wasn't enjoyable in the least bit, and I won't be back. NCSoft is doing a fine job of keeping me out by the monotonous, bland, simplistic, unoriginal, asian throw together they are trying to promote and act like is what I have been praying for in an MMO for years.
This game is not it. If you enjoy it, fine, knock yourself out, bro, but you can see from the responses here that this game is not what it is hyped to be. It's a marketing ploy to get subs. This game is going to flop hard, mark my words. Most people that have played this genre 10 years can see that in about 5 minutes. I know, the truth hurts...deal with it.
Hello, one that holds the Truth, and can't see that one thing called burn out of the genre may happen after too much time spent with it. The MMO genre is developing multiple variations, so don't worry, there might be plenty of MMOFPS, MMORTS, MMOCityBuilders (like CitiesXL), MMOSports to absorb people that are tired of the Fantasy setting and RPG in MMORPGs. Now some kind of "wheel reinvention" in the MMORPG genre, I won't believe in it until it is released. Aion never promissed it yet delivers a fun experience, so that's all that matters for those that have found fun in here, for as long as it lasts.
Originally posted by 1977 Originally posted by Ethian
I truely hope dudes like you stay away from it so the community is half decent...can't ncsoft find a way to keep the downers out? lol
Heh, I don't think you have to worry about me staying away from it. I've played it, it wasn't enjoyable in the least bit, and I won't be back. NCSoft is doing a fine job of keeping me out by the monotonous, bland, simplistic, unoriginal, asian throw together they are trying to promote and act like is what I have been praying for in an MMO for years. This game is not it. If you enjoy it, fine, knock yourself out, bro, but you can see from the responses here that this game is not what it is hyped to be. It's a marketing ploy to get subs. This game is going to flop hard, mark my words. Most people that have played this genre 10 years can see that in about 5 minutes. I know, the truth hurts...deal with it.
You're the minority. As sad as it is to say this your opinion doesn't matter much to devs, because they don't really care if you're paying or not.
Like I said before, most of the people who strongly dislike Aion also very much dislike WoW. There are a few exceptions (Teala, and players who aren't fans of PvP at all) but you can certainly see how that does. Considering the outlook towards WoW is almost unanimously bad on MMORPG.com I wouldn't take anyone's opinions on here as fact.
Also, as much as it sucks to probably hear this, you aren't going to get what you want from a mainstream dev. You're going to have to wait for an indy developer release who are only aiming for a small slice of the pie. Luckily for you there is a lot of good coming out, although why do I feel that some people on MMORPG.com are never going to be satisfied with any MMO to come out?
Hello, one that holds the Truth, and can't see that one thing called burn out of the genre may happen after too much time spent with it. The MMO genre is developing multiple variations, so don't worry, there might be plenty of MMOFPS, MMORTS, MMOCityBuilders (like CitiesXL), MMOSports to absorb people that are tired of the Fantasy setting and RPG in MMORPGs. Now some kind of "wheel reinvention" in the MMORPG genre, I won't believe in it until I play it. Aion never promissed it yet delivers a fun experience, so that's all that matters for those that have found fun in here, for as long as it lasts.
I'm not burnt out of the genre, I could play these games the rest of my life. I'm frustrated with the genre for constantly coming out with ez-mode snorefests.
I don't care about the MMO genre, I care about MMORPG(the title of this site). The MMO genre might be developing multiple variations, but IMO the MMORPG genre is not. Once game companies like Sony identified that they had a major cash cow on their hands, the MMORPG genre has been diluted and watered down for the masses ever since to draw more and more subs. Everquest was probably to blame for the way this genre became, it did not start with WOW, but WOW made it institutionalized.
There is no need to reinvent the wheel, the wheel was classic Everquest, UO, and DAOC. If you were playing an MMORPG at that time you were more than likely playing one of those three games and absolutely loving it. A lot of us are wanting these type of games again that we started with.
You're the minority. As sad as it is to say this your opinion doesn't matter much to devs, because they don't really care if you're paying or not. I think all of us old schoolers are aware we are the minority, that's been expressed and understood for a while, and is the reason I joined this site. To voice my opinion and hopefully show that there is a strong following of classic MMORPG, that can definitely support development of one and will most assuredly make profit. Like I said before, most of the people who strongly dislike Aion also very much dislike WoW. There are a few exceptions (Teala, and players who aren't fans of PvP at all) but you can certainly see how that does. Considering the outlook towards WoW is almost unanimously bad on MMORPG.com I wouldn't take anyone's opinions on here as fact. I don't strongly dislike Aion or WOW, I never cared for either game. To me they are just boring snorefests. I don't have anything against them. The only companies I have anything against are SOE and Ubisoft for outright lying to the players and destroying the time I invested on my characters in 2003 with the character transfers to new servers, which they stated many times would not happen. Also, as much as it sucks to probably hear this, you aren't going to get what you want from a mainstream dev. You're going to have to wait for an indy developer release who are only aiming for a small slice of the pie. Luckily for you there is a lot of good coming out, although why do I feel that some people on MMORPG.com are never going to be satisfied with any MMO to come out? If enough people voice their opinion we could possibly have a mainstream MMO again that is immersive, challenging, and creative. If all we do is remain quiet and gobble up the next snorefest...no...it's never going to change.
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So you want an online game where players mainly only kill other players, I suppose they should make up their own stories and content while killing only other players too. I know you didn't mention quests or story but usually they go hand in hand with having mobs to kill/interract with... You know the sandbox dream that people keep crying for doesn't sound very fun!
Just like this game, that's not for everyone, and likely not for a majority of players. I don't think a majority of players want an MMORPG to exclude having mobs to kill, as 100% PVP can be accomplished in FPS's and other mulitplayer games. Nor do I think a majority of MMO players want quests and story removed, as not everyone is in to making up their own (role playing). I've said it before and I'll say it again, MMORPG's without quests and story, to me are just unfinished RPG's. I don't know one table top RPG where the player creates the story as they go along.. Naw the DM tells the story and the players generally follow the leads given by NPC's (controlled by the DM) for completing quests, killing mobs and moving the story forward.
What a load of bullocks :S. I press exactly 2 (3 for the a hot) buttons (in PVE) and kill everything without giving it a second thought.
Extreme challenge.
What a load of bullocks :S. I press exactly 2 (3 for the a hot) buttons (in PVE) and kill everything without giving it a second thought.
Extreme challenge.
Do you hit them randomly, or do you plan out the keystrokes?
Am I the only one laughing at statements like this? Polish. Let's see. Water is for looking at only basically. Can't swim in it at all. Useless areas means wasted resource. The linear path you have to take to level via quest is worse than WoW and forget grinding MOB's - I do not do that anymore in MMORPG's - that is worse than getting a root canal. It is a grind when it takes for frakking ever to kill a mob - a simple mob. A grind is a grind. I can't imagine what it will be like to get to 50! Forget it. Been there and done that in L2.
Each side has one starter area. One! OMG. Seriosuly flawed imbalances to classes, also - like Rangers. OMG can the Ranger class be designed worse than this? I do not think so. Forgive me for thinking this, but seriously. Does anyone honestly think the classes are balanced in this game? Cleric's, I truly feel for them. Those first 20 levels are a bitch. Forget soloing. Best find a Templar and stick to them like glue. This game needs some serious class balancing.
Don't get me talking about the gimmicky wings they added. Why give players wings with such limited use? Seriously. Can anyone answer me this? What purpose does it serve?
Abyss is the only place for good PvP. That will get old. Fighting in the same zone, night after night. ::shakes her head:: Even we that played Planetside had more maps to choose from. If I wished to fight for the same zone over and over again I'll play BF2 Strike at Karkand. At least it is fun.
A prediction. 3 months max after release people will be bitching about the lameness of this game and how poorly it was designed. Just like they did for AoC, WAR and DFO. ^_^ My opinion.
I kind of felt the same way after playing through 4 betas. I constantly heard the word polish polish polish and as I was playing it I was like, "ummmm, ok." I think this game will have a healthy life until the huge wave of big name mmos come out next year and in 2011. Then it will be a ghost town.
One word?
I'd have to go with simplistic.
To each his own though.
What a load of bullocks :S. I press exactly 2 (3 for the a hot) buttons (in PVE) and kill everything without giving it a second thought.
Extreme challenge.
Do you hit them randomly, or do you plan out the keystrokes?
Why should i? I got a chain skills on button 2 and the other chain is on 3 just keep pressing the buttons(make it easier with macros press 1 button) over and over and over. Whatever cooldown is up gets hit, there is nothing to plan. Why should i? There is no need.
After playing RF Online for so long this game really is awesome. They might not have the futuristic sci fi feel of rf but the grind is so much better. Personally I don't think there will be nearly as many bots as L2 has. I'm guessing more towards Wahammer numbers simply because money seems like it will have the same importance as WoW and War. Only thing I dislike so far is the amount of time it takes to get to pvp.
Make games you want to play.
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Stop being so damn arrogant yourself and let those people EXPRESS their opinions instead of saying "different opinions are fine, I just don't want to hear about them"
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Well, your theory seems a bit flawed. Im not saying that they dont have right to express their opinion, what i am saying is that someone came to the forum to say they were enjoying the game, and he never said that the other people should also enjoy it, but the responses he got was from people saying that he was mistaken in liking the game.
Fact is, the OP never tried to make others think like him, neither did I, but all the trolls on this thread are certainly trying to make those who enjoy it stop liking the game.
This is not a church, therefore we don't need people creating 'testimonials' about how good (or for that matter how bad) a game is.
By creating a new thread touting the wonders of Aion, the OP basically throws down the gauntlet and invites other posters to disagree (or agree) with him.
That's what discussion forums are for, to discuss games, not to preach about them.
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Yeah aion is pretty damn fun to me!
Glad i pre-ordered
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It's a good game, I really don't get why people call it so simplistic compared to other games. WoW was simplistic. As are 99% of present mmos. With the exception of a few(probably older) games. Things get progressively less simplistic as you go.(yeah you have to level to get there who'd know?:P) I do realize that mmos aren't for everyone and people tend to imprint on the first mmo they've ever played. Some will like this flavor better than others. I love it.<shrugs> and I could argue those that hate it till they're blue in the face. They could tell me it doesn't have this this and this and I'd point out something that other game didn't have or did have that I hated. My recommendation, if you still like mmos and arn't afraid to invest time in something that could be percieved as different give this game(at live) till 35 then if you still dislike it you can probably give a really good argument that I'll accept yet disagree with.:P I've played too many crap games these last few years FINALLY something has come along that I can give my wholehearted aproval to. To all their own.
You know... I will say this about swimming - and you having put so many hours in WoW, I imagine you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Think of all the areas of exploration there are underwater in WoW... entire sunken environments, ruins, sunken ships, etc.. some pretty massive and elaborate areas with numerous quest chains taking you to/through them.
It's not the end of the world if a MMO doesn't have swimming (though I do find it kinda odd these days), but it's also not some insane or ridiculous idea. Swimming opens the way for a lot of territory for questing, exploring, etc.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Stop being so damn arrogant yourself and let those people EXPRESS their opinions instead of saying "different opinions are fine, I just don't want to hear about them"
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Well, your theory seems a bit flawed. Im not saying that they dont have right to express their opinion, what i am saying is that someone came to the forum to say they were enjoying the game, and he never said that the other people should also enjoy it, but the responses he got was from people saying that he was mistaken in liking the game.
Fact is, the OP never tried to make others think like him, neither did I, but all the trolls on this thread are certainly trying to make those who enjoy it stop liking the game.
This is not a church, therefore we don't need people creating 'testimonials' about how good (or for that matter how bad) a game is.
By creating a new thread touting the wonders of Aion, the OP basically throws down the gauntlet and invites other posters to disagree (or agree) with him.
That's what discussion forums are for, to discuss games, not to preach about them.
If you want nothing but positives about a game... official forums are that way ------------------------------>
Did you even properly read what he wrote? You're putting words in his mouth. He never wrote that. What he wrote is that people go beyond discussing and end up trying to impose their opinions on someone else as if their opinions are FACTS. Which they're not. This goes for both sides.
"from people saying that he was mistaken in liking the game"
That's what he was saying. How can he be mistaken if it's his opinion? Discuss.
Do you hit them randomly, or do you plan out the keystrokes?
Why should i? I got a chain skills on button 2 and the other chain is on 3 just keep pressing the buttons(make it easier with macros press 1 button) over and over and over. Whatever cooldown is up gets hit, there is nothing to plan. Why should i? There is no need.
Ok, so you don't like the game, Alpha. That's too bad. I can understand your concern but there are a few things you are leaving out or don't know about the game.
First it sounds like you are playing a Priest. It is well known that Clerics in the game are designed to be primarily healers in a group environment, you will never have a lot of different combo attacks because the game is designed around Clerics doing mostly healing during a fight. The combo attacks that, say, a Gladiator get are replaced by heals with the Cleric.
Chanters are a little better. They were generally used in PvP combat up until 1.5 as buffers/secondary DPS/secondary healers. Again, a lot of DPS + combos are replaced by buffs and heals on the chanter.
Second, it sounds like you expect to have 10 different things to do at level 5. The game is eases new players into their classes and doesn't start opening up until after 10 when you choose your sub-class. By level 50 most of the DPS classes will have over 40 skills to manage a lot of them only being available in combos and the player must keep track of where they're at in a combo chain during usually hectic PvP encounters.
The game becomes challenging the higher you get.
Not trying to say your point isn't valid. I too would have liked it if there were more skills available earlier in the game. Especially for Warriors.... 2 useful skills until 10. I completely understand if you don't like the game or find it boring, I just wanted to point out that Aion is not the same game at 1 that it is at 50.
Edit: Forgot to say that spamming 1 button to perform a combo works at lower levels when there is only 1 chain of progression for the combo. Once you have a combo that splits into 2 you can no longer do the 1 button spamming thing. But, if they didn't set it up this way we would need at least another 2 hotbars (in addition to the 3 that most people will have full at 50) to have access to all of the combos.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Stop being so damn arrogant yourself and let those people EXPRESS their opinions instead of saying "different opinions are fine, I just don't want to hear about them"
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Well, your theory seems a bit flawed. Im not saying that they dont have right to express their opinion, what i am saying is that someone came to the forum to say they were enjoying the game, and he never said that the other people should also enjoy it, but the responses he got was from people saying that he was mistaken in liking the game.
Fact is, the OP never tried to make others think like him, neither did I, but all the trolls on this thread are certainly trying to make those who enjoy it stop liking the game.
This is not a church, therefore we don't need people creating 'testimonials' about how good (or for that matter how bad) a game is.
Errr.... What does a testimonial have to do with church? I think you're confusing it with something else. Otherwise I agree with your post :-p
By creating a new thread touting the wonders of Aion, the OP basically throws down the gauntlet and invites other posters to disagree (or agree) with him.
That's what discussion forums are for, to discuss games, not to preach about them.
If you want nothing but positives about a game... official forums are that way ------------------------------>
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Do you hit them randomly, or do you plan out the keystrokes?
Why should i? I got a chain skills on button 2 and the other chain is on 3 just keep pressing the buttons(make it easier with macros press 1 button) over and over and over. Whatever cooldown is up gets hit, there is nothing to plan. Why should i? There is no need.
Ok, so you don't like the game, Alpha. That's too bad. I can understand your concern but there are a few things you are leaving out or don't know about the game.
First it sounds like you are playing a Priest. It is well known that Clerics in the game are designed to be primarily healers in a group environment, you will never have a lot of different combo attacks because the game is designed around Clerics doing mostly healing during a fight. The combo attacks that, say, a Gladiator get are replaced by heals with the Cleric.
Chanters are a little better. They were generally used in PvP combat up until 1.5 as buffers/secondary DPS/secondary healers. Again, a lot of DPS + combos are replaced by buffs and heals on the chanter.
Second, it sounds like you expect to have 10 different things to do at level 5. The game is eases new players into their classes and doesn't start opening up until after 10 when you choose your sub-class. By level 50 most of the DPS classes will have over 40 skills to manage a lot of them only being available in combos and the player must keep track of where they're at in a combo chain during usually hectic PvP encounters.
The game becomes challenging the higher you get.
Not trying to say your point isn't valid. I too would have liked it if there were more skills available earlier in the game. Especially for Warriors.... 2 useful skills until 10. I completely understand if you don't like the game or find it boring, I just wanted to point out that Aion is not the same game at 1 that it is at 50.
Edit: Forgot to say that spamming 1 button to perform a combo works at lower levels when there is only 1 chain of progression for the combo. Once you have a combo that splits into 2 you can no longer do the 1 button spamming thing. But, if they didn't set it up this way we would need at least another 2 hotbars (in addition to the 3 that most people will have full at 50) to have access to all of the combos.
We where talking about PVE being challenging and i played a Chanter until level 20 and there was no challenge. Don't misunderstand i may play the game to experience the later PVP part but some people make it really sound that there is such a huge complexity in this game.
Yea, it was pretty late last night when I typed that. I missed the part about PvE. My statement still stands that Priests have the least amount of attacks in the game, though.
I think that maybe you and the pimpdizzle just have different opinions on what you consider challenging PvE.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
I understand that MMOs dont give you all of the skills right away, which is to be expected. I was just saying that the difficulty of the mobs seemed a bit higher than your standard mmo today.
Ive played almost all of the mmos out and everytime I would go hunt mobs it would be way 2 ez to kill them. Im not saying that I cant kill a mob in Aion in a few seconds, Its just that sometimes they do give me a run for my money.
Some of the 4 dot mobs are actually tough!
Also, I find the group play fun because of the mobs scaling to the party size.
If the combat is too boring for you maybe its the class you chose? Although Im sure in higher levels all of the classes will be interesting due to more skills.
oh and grinding games can be fun if you always have a party to log into and play with. Sometimes grinding solo is boring, but when you have a set group of ppl that always grind together it can actually be kind of relaxing. I guess for me it just brings me back to when I first got the internet and all I could do was chat lol. Now I can play a game and get some good convo goin at the same time. plus pvp ofcourse.
Am I the only one laughing at statements like this? Polish. Let's see. Water is for looking at only basically. Can't swim in it at all. Useless areas means wasted resource. The linear path you have to take to level via quest is worse than WoW and forget grinding MOB's - I do not do that anymore in MMORPG's - that is worse than getting a root canal. It is a grind when it takes for frakking ever to kill a mob - a simple mob. A grind is a grind. I can't imagine what it will be like to get to 50! Forget it. Been there and done that in L2.
Each side has one starter area. One! OMG. Seriosuly flawed imbalances to classes, also - like Rangers. OMG can the Ranger class be designed worse than this? I do not think so. Forgive me for thinking this, but seriously. Does anyone honestly think the classes are balanced in this game? Cleric's, I truly feel for them. Those first 20 levels are a bitch. Forget soloing. Best find a Templar and stick to them like glue. This game needs some serious class balancing.
Don't get me talking about the gimmicky wings they added. Why give players wings with such limited use? Seriously. Can anyone answer me this? What purpose does it serve?
Abyss is the only place for good PvP. That will get old. Fighting in the same zone, night after night. ::shakes her head:: Even we that played Planetside had more maps to choose from. If I wished to fight for the same zone over and over again I'll play BF2 Strike at Karkand. At least it is fun.
A prediction. 3 months max after release people will be bitching about the lameness of this game and how poorly it was designed. Just like they did for AoC, WAR and DFO. ^_^ My opinion.
WoW...I'm not sure if youve played the game or not but just about everything you said is total BS. Awesome job trying to down Aion. Those that have played it and took the time is enjoy it see Aion for what it really is.
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
I truely hope dudes like you stay away from it so the community is half decent...can't ncsoft find a way to keep the downers out? lol
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
Am I the only one laughing at statements like this? Polish. Let's see. Water is for looking at only basically. Can't swim in it at all. Useless areas means wasted resource. The linear path you have to take to level via quest is worse than WoW and forget grinding MOB's - I do not do that anymore in MMORPG's - that is worse than getting a root canal. It is a grind when it takes for frakking ever to kill a mob - a simple mob. A grind is a grind. I can't imagine what it will be like to get to 50! Forget it. Been there and done that in L2.
Each side has one starter area. One! OMG. Seriosuly flawed imbalances to classes, also - like Rangers. OMG can the Ranger class be designed worse than this? I do not think so. Forgive me for thinking this, but seriously. Does anyone honestly think the classes are balanced in this game? Cleric's, I truly feel for them. Those first 20 levels are a bitch. Forget soloing. Best find a Templar and stick to them like glue. This game needs some serious class balancing.
Don't get me talking about the gimmicky wings they added. Why give players wings with such limited use? Seriously. Can anyone answer me this? What purpose does it serve?
Abyss is the only place for good PvP. That will get old. Fighting in the same zone, night after night. ::shakes her head:: Even we that played Planetside had more maps to choose from. If I wished to fight for the same zone over and over again I'll play BF2 Strike at Karkand. At least it is fun.
A prediction. 3 months max after release people will be bitching about the lameness of this game and how poorly it was designed. Just like they did for AoC, WAR and DFO. ^_^ My opinion.
WoW...I'm not sure if youve played the game or not but just about everything you said is total BS. Awesome job trying to down Aion. Those that have played it and took the time is enjoy it see Aion for what it really is.
Ya !!!! Sounds like someone has not played much or got Ganked. Hope to see Teala in beta so me and my guild can Gank him and make him feel real good.
Played Aoc/DDO/FFXI/WAR / LoTRo / CO / Aion
Playing Rift
Waiting for FFXIV to be the game it should. so sad =(
Heh, I don't think you have to worry about me staying away from it. I've played it, it wasn't enjoyable in the least bit, and I won't be back. NCSoft is doing a fine job of keeping me out by the monotonous, bland, simplistic, unoriginal, asian throw together they are trying to promote and act like is what I have been praying for in an MMO for years.
This game is not it. If you enjoy it, fine, knock yourself out, bro, but you can see from the responses here that this game is not what it is hyped to be. It's a marketing ploy to get subs. This game is going to flop hard, mark my words. Most people that have played this genre 10 years can see that in about 5 minutes. I know, the truth hurts...deal with it.
Heh, I don't think you have to worry about me staying away from it. I've played it, it wasn't enjoyable in the least bit, and I won't be back. NCSoft is doing a fine job of keeping me out by the monotonous, bland, simplistic, unoriginal, asian throw together they are trying to promote and act like is what I have been praying for in an MMO for years.
This game is not it. If you enjoy it, fine, knock yourself out, bro, but you can see from the responses here that this game is not what it is hyped to be. It's a marketing ploy to get subs. This game is going to flop hard, mark my words. Most people that have played this genre 10 years can see that in about 5 minutes. I know, the truth hurts...deal with it.
Hello, one that holds the Truth, and can't see that one thing called burn out of the genre may happen after too much time spent with it. The MMO genre is developing multiple variations, so don't worry, there might be plenty of MMOFPS, MMORTS, MMOCityBuilders (like CitiesXL), MMOSports to absorb people that are tired of the Fantasy setting and RPG in MMORPGs. Now some kind of "wheel reinvention" in the MMORPG genre, I won't believe in it until it is released. Aion never promissed it yet delivers a fun experience, so that's all that matters for those that have found fun in here, for as long as it lasts.
Heh, I don't think you have to worry about me staying away from it. I've played it, it wasn't enjoyable in the least bit, and I won't be back. NCSoft is doing a fine job of keeping me out by the monotonous, bland, simplistic, unoriginal, asian throw together they are trying to promote and act like is what I have been praying for in an MMO for years.
This game is not it. If you enjoy it, fine, knock yourself out, bro, but you can see from the responses here that this game is not what it is hyped to be. It's a marketing ploy to get subs. This game is going to flop hard, mark my words. Most people that have played this genre 10 years can see that in about 5 minutes. I know, the truth hurts...deal with it.
You're the minority. As sad as it is to say this your opinion doesn't matter much to devs, because they don't really care if you're paying or not.
Like I said before, most of the people who strongly dislike Aion also very much dislike WoW. There are a few exceptions (Teala, and players who aren't fans of PvP at all) but you can certainly see how that does. Considering the outlook towards WoW is almost unanimously bad on MMORPG.com I wouldn't take anyone's opinions on here as fact.
Also, as much as it sucks to probably hear this, you aren't going to get what you want from a mainstream dev. You're going to have to wait for an indy developer release who are only aiming for a small slice of the pie. Luckily for you there is a lot of good coming out, although why do I feel that some people on MMORPG.com are never going to be satisfied with any MMO to come out?
I'm not burnt out of the genre, I could play these games the rest of my life. I'm frustrated with the genre for constantly coming out with ez-mode snorefests.
I don't care about the MMO genre, I care about MMORPG(the title of this site). The MMO genre might be developing multiple variations, but IMO the MMORPG genre is not. Once game companies like Sony identified that they had a major cash cow on their hands, the MMORPG genre has been diluted and watered down for the masses ever since to draw more and more subs. Everquest was probably to blame for the way this genre became, it did not start with WOW, but WOW made it institutionalized.
There is no need to reinvent the wheel, the wheel was classic Everquest, UO, and DAOC. If you were playing an MMORPG at that time you were more than likely playing one of those three games and absolutely loving it. A lot of us are wanting these type of games again that we started with.