Slight update. After I got the response, I replied with the following. "Alright, then you lose my business and those of my friends and family. I personally think this is a bad business choice that is going to lose you many players and is something that could easily be fixed by your company. Simply close EU accounts for those NA players who wish to move, and allow them EMPTY FRESH new NA accounts in turn. Seems pretty simple to me, and would go a long way to making your customers happy... not to mention simply the added revenue of a few hundred extra subs. But its your business and your company. Best of luck" They then replied with. "Hello, Thank you for taking an active role in improving Darkfall. We will carefully consider your feedback and may further contact you if we find it necessary. Thank you,
Darkfall Support"
Assuming this wasnt a cut and past / standard response... then maybe someone at AV is listening. We will see.
Its a cut/paste response, but if enough people cancel their subs for that reason, that just might convince AV to change their policy. With the ultra-small DF player base, it wouldn't take that many cancellations. I hope you do get your wish, I think AV wronged here and you have every right to protest. In fact, because of their misinformation, I think you have the right to demand a refund for the box itself (not the play time).
Well I recently paid the $50 and bought a US account, and closed my EU subscription. Being aussie my ping reduced from about 440 to 210. While 210 is still outside your acceptable range, it plays fine. You realise that $50 includes a month of playtime right, so its effectively $35. So what your telling me is your an old UO player, who likes this game but wont fork out a measley $35 to this small development house to play this game because of some moral indignation. You sir are a tool. I'm more than happy to help finance future development of the best MMO since UO. So what if they are better developers than business people, I have to admit being the same, life goes on. Please go take your moral indignation somewhere else and go have a good cry. I'll just go have fun ingame. Have a nice life, a good day, or whatever it is you passive aggressive yanks say.
Oh you are so rich, how about donating 50$ to an indie developer like myself? Cmon, don't be like them, yanks. Cough up the dough, now!
Only a person who doesn't earn their own money would give away so unreasonably. You are either filthy rich or just a mommas boy living on parents allowance. Grow up and learn to respect other people.
Now I am waiting for EU2 to launch, and I hope I don't have to buy a new account, cause it ain't going to happen.
To the OP.
The real reason why you have to wait 3 months is to give the chance to the new players to catch up with you guys.
It wouldn't be fair to have a 5 months old character on a new server, would it?
On the other hand I don't understand why Aventurine doesn't give the option to old custyomer to delete their character on EU and roll a new one on US..............have you tried asking the support this question?
Originally posted by ChinaCat . The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs.
BS BS BS BS BS!!!!!
Tasos is lying out is weasley little ass here.
Before I quit this cheap POS iteration of UO some of my guildies decided to go ahead and purchase the NA client and get out guild a head start before xfers were allowed.
When the confirmation e-mail and bank statement came you know whp it said the purchase came from?
Audio Visual Enterprises S.A.
3 Parnonos Str, Marousi ,
15125 Athens, Greece,
Tax Reg. Number 094115374
THE SAME FREAKING COMPANY OWNS BOTH RIGHTS.
The only things that is different is what company is maintaining the DF Servers.
Oh and BTW, MOST MMORPGS allow you to play on either NA, EU or Asian servers with no restrictions.
I can do it in UO. I can do it in EQ, I can do it in SWG and I can do it in WoW.
Only Averturine tries to pull this BS.
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT Playing: Skyrim Following: The Repopulation I want a Virtual World, not just a Game. ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
I am an unbiased outsider on this ,so i wil ltel lyou how i see it. They are stil lgiving the NA players a choice to merger but only after 3 months,this seems decently fair,for one simple reason.You guys already joined the EU servers ,and had no idea when the NA servers would become active,so you guys were full willing to play on those EU servers for whatever amount of time.So now that an actual time limit comes out,i do not think you should be that angry,since yo uwere willing to play there anyhow. If you still can't see the logic,then imagine if the US servers came about 1 year from now?then you would be playing on the EU servers far longer than the 3 months,and you guys were not complaining.So you do have a choice and they are not FROCING you to buy another copy,you can continue playing just the same as you always have been,nothing changes it. In FFXI after we make a server change ,we are also subject to a waiting period of 90 days i think before we can make another change.It actually makes good sense,imagine the pain in the ass it would be if players were allowed to switch back and forth when ever they felt like it,the system MUST have restrictions,90 days is fair IMO.
The only problem is, AV said they could play on EU and then play on NA when it comes out without EVER mentioning anything about paying any FEES. Only after people bought the EU client, only then were they informed that there would be a fee associated with playing on NA server: either buying a new client or paying a transfer fee.
They said they would try to accommodate you if you wanted to play the European version from the US. That they did. They are even going so far as to allow you to be able to clone your account to a US version if you wait. This is a small time company with pretty much a total investment in this game so it's no where near as easy for them to do these things which you would have every right to expect from a larger company like EA, Funcom, or Blizzard. I'm sorry and I emphasize with your feelings, but I also see the problem from their side too. I'm not a Darkfall player, and I don't intend to be, but you could see problems like this ahead from the very start, you'll be lucky if you are ever able to cancel your European account without having to block them from your credit card.
Now I am waiting for EU2 to launch, and I hope I don't have to buy a new account, cause it ain't going to happen.
To the OP.
The real reason why you have to wait 3 months is to give the chance to the new players to catch up with you guys.
It wouldn't be fair to have a 5 months old character on a new server, would it?
On the other hand I don't understand why Aventurine doesn't give the option to old custyomer to delete their character on EU and roll a new one on US..............have you tried asking the support this question?
I am curious about the answer.
"Now I am waiting for EU2 to launch, and I hope I don't have to buy a new account, cause it ain't going to happen."
Well, according to Aventurine's new and improved "One character per account" clause, you'll be subject to the same policies that are being discussed in this thread.
P.S.: But as you know, Aventurine can change their policies at any time, without any warning.
blizzard does the exact same thing - charges for EU and NA separately, except blizz won't even give you the *option* of transferring -- you have to re-buy the client and re-buy all expansions.
so while it sucks for us gamers, Ave is just doing the standard MMO company thing here... so while i can have some sympathy for those who have to wait to transfer or re-buy, any experienced gamer already knew this was going to happen.
blizzard does the exact same thing - charges for EU and NA separately, except blizz won't even give you the *option* of transferring -- you have to re-buy the client and re-buy all expansions.
Are you sure? I could have sworn that you were able to play on NA and EU servers without having another account.
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT Playing: Skyrim Following: The Repopulation I want a Virtual World, not just a Game. ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
blizzard does the exact same thing - charges for EU and NA separately, except blizz won't even give you the *option* of transferring -- you have to re-buy the client and re-buy all expansions.
so while it sucks for us gamers, Ave is just doing the standard MMO company thing here... so while i can have some sympathy for those who have to wait to transfer or re-buy, any experienced gamer already knew this was going to happen.
A simple mail to support and 6 hours later, I was moved from the European AoC to American AoC. Am I crazy?
You should post some links to support your allegation. I'll be waiting.
Any experienced gamer knows that Developers and Publishers vary wildly regarding to service and support. Any other comparison beyond that is simply moot.
Well I recently paid the $50 and bought a US account, and closed my EU subscription. Being aussie my ping reduced from about 440 to 210. While 210 is still outside your acceptable range, it plays fine. You realise that $50 includes a month of playtime right, so its effectively $35. So what your telling me is your an old UO player, who likes this game but wont fork out a measley $35 to this small development house to play this game because of some moral indignation. You sir are a tool. I'm more than happy to help finance future development of the best MMO since UO. So what if they are better developers than business people, I have to admit being the same, life goes on. Please go take your moral indignation somewhere else and go have a good cry. I'll just go have fun ingame. Have a nice life, a good day, or whatever it is you passive aggressive yanks say.
Wow...
Thats some hate there bro. The main issue is I have to buy accounts for my family. My father, brother, and myself. that measly 35 as you say spikes up to 105.00 as opposed to 45. Thats a 50% savings.
Lets talk about my 20 many guild, thats 700 instead of 300. So yeah... Im a bit disappointed. I do enjoy UO, and DF... looks good. However, not good enough for me to buy the game twice. For you it was, and Im glad you did. However, when a small dev company comes out and makes a product, and I take a risk on them, and they promise me that they will take care of me, then dont, and demand I repurchase the game... its only natural for me not to want to give them more money.
If you personally dont have an issue with it, thats fine. However, when someone tells me one thing, then does another, it tends to ruffle my feathers a bit. You are a much more forgiving man than I.
Well cant u just buy yours and let your father buy your brothers and his own.
Seems to me those from NA and other non-EU countries read too much into the "Allowance" part of the statement, allowing transfers of characters after 90 days seems a fair "Allowance".
Everyone and their dog wanted to play on the EU servers, EU customers where denied access to DFO in the rush period because of this and now those non EU players feel just as shafted as those that wanted an EU only localised server from the start, I'd call this justice really for not being able to wait for your own server.
Well I recently paid the $50 and bought a US account, and closed my EU subscription. Being aussie my ping reduced from about 440 to 210. While 210 is still outside your acceptable range, it plays fine. You realise that $50 includes a month of playtime right, so its effectively $35. So what your telling me is your an old UO player, who likes this game but wont fork out a measley $35 to this small development house to play this game because of some moral indignation. You sir are a tool. I'm more than happy to help finance future development of the best MMO since UO. So what if they are better developers than business people, I have to admit being the same, life goes on. Please go take your moral indignation somewhere else and go have a good cry. I'll just go have fun ingame. Have a nice life, a good day, or whatever it is you passive aggressive yanks say.
Wow...
Thats some hate there bro. The main issue is I have to buy accounts for my family. My father, brother, and myself. that measly 35 as you say spikes up to 105.00 as opposed to 45. Thats a 50% savings.
Lets talk about my 20 many guild, thats 700 instead of 300. So yeah... Im a bit disappointed. I do enjoy UO, and DF... looks good. However, not good enough for me to buy the game twice. For you it was, and Im glad you did. However, when a small dev company comes out and makes a product, and I take a risk on them, and they promise me that they will take care of me, then dont, and demand I repurchase the game... its only natural for me not to want to give them more money.
If you personally dont have an issue with it, thats fine. However, when someone tells me one thing, then does another, it tends to ruffle my feathers a bit. You are a much more forgiving man than I.
Well cant u just buy yours and let your father buy your brothers and his own.
Neither of them have the extra income atm to afford that kind of purchase. I do what I can to help out.
Seems to me those from NA and other non-EU countries read too much into the "Allowance" part of the statement, allowing transfers of characters after 90 days seems a fair "Allowance". Everyone and their dog wanted to play on the EU servers, EU customers where denied access to DFO in the rush period because of this and now those non EU players feel just as shafted as those that wanted an EU only localised server from the start, I'd call this justice really for not being able to wait for your own server.
The issue is AV made it extremely vague. Folks made assumptions, and when questions were asked on the forums, these assumptions were posted as fact. Not a single AV spokesmen or employee stepped up to counter these posts... and thus it was assumed to be true. AV screwed up the communication.
You are welcome to think what you like. AV chose not to localize, and let folks from everywhere buy the game. BETA players were supposed to get first crack at it, and they didnt. First week or so of launch was horrible for anyone on either side of the pond. Not to mention half my guild got in, while the other half continued to try for a month before finally giving up.
You can say its justified if you like, you are welcome to your opinion. However, for me and my group, AV led us to believe that we would be able to play the NA version with no aditional fees. We then come to find out thats not the case. AV then also changes their user policy to cover their butts... and understandably a lot of us are upset.
This all comes down to business. If you love DF you should want us ot be able to do this just as much as we do. Why? Strictly cause more people playing = more revenue for AV = more content and devs for you as well. Us not playing = less of all of that, and if AV's financials dont do well you get a dead game.
Fact of the matter is AV is a small dev company and they cant afford to make enemies and run people off, AV needs to fix this and honor what they originally stated.
Seems to me those from NA and other non-EU countries read too much into the "Allowance" part of the statement, allowing transfers of characters after 90 days seems a fair "Allowance". Everyone and their dog wanted to play on the EU servers, EU customers where denied access to DFO in the rush period because of this and now those non EU players feel just as shafted as those that wanted an EU only localised server from the start, I'd call this justice really for not being able to wait for your own server.
The issue is AV made it extremely vague. Folks made assumptions, and when questions were asked on the forums, these assumptions were posted as fact. Not a single AV spokesmen or employee stepped up to counter these posts... and thus it was assumed to be true. AV screwed up the communication.
You are welcome to think what you like. AV chose not to localize, and let folks from everywhere buy the game. BETA players were supposed to get first crack at it, and they didnt. First week or so of launch was horrible for anyone on either side of the pond. Not to mention half my guild got in, while the other half continued to try for a month before finally giving up.
You can say its justified if you like, you are welcome to your opinion. However, for me and my group, AV led us to believe that we would be able to play the NA version with no aditional fees. We then come to find out thats not the case. AV then also changes their user policy to cover their butts... and understandably a lot of us are upset.
This all comes down to business. If you love DF you should want us ot be able to do this just as much as we do. Why? Strictly cause more people playing = more revenue for AV = more content and devs for you as well. Us not playing = less of all of that, and if AV's financials dont do well you get a dead game.
Fact of the matter is AV is a small dev company and they cant afford to make enemies and run people off, AV needs to fix this and honor what they originally stated.
There's a word that sums your position up quite well "Assume" and when broken down means "Makes an Ass of you and Me", you made too many assumptions of what you where going to get, perhaps you've not been playing MMO's for a great deal of time and are still quite wet behind the ears in regards to "Promises" made by devs or other vague statements.
Most veteran players will tell you "Never believe anything a Developer tells you" what is said is highly likely to be changed/forgotten/shelved/cancelled/lied or misquoted.
Believe it when you see it and never ever expect more than what is on offer, more times than not your going to get less in the end anyway.
Whatever is eventually offered will be a mere shadow of what was originally offered in the first place or a half assed attempt.
Seems to me those from NA and other non-EU countries read too much into the "Allowance" part of the statement, allowing transfers of characters after 90 days seems a fair "Allowance". Everyone and their dog wanted to play on the EU servers, EU customers where denied access to DFO in the rush period because of this and now those non EU players feel just as shafted as those that wanted an EU only localised server from the start, I'd call this justice really for not being able to wait for your own server.
Justice?
I have to ask, how was EU customers denied access? If anyone should get blame for any "shafting", it should be Aventurine.
If Aventurine HAD localized the EU server, do you really believe we would even be discussing the topic of this thread right now?
Single character per server.
That was the terms when people created accounts, up until Aventurine changed it shortly before the NA launch.
How anyone can try to put the blame anywhere other than Aventurine is beyond me.
Seems to me those from NA and other non-EU countries read too much into the "Allowance" part of the statement, allowing transfers of characters after 90 days seems a fair "Allowance". Everyone and their dog wanted to play on the EU servers, EU customers where denied access to DFO in the rush period because of this and now those non EU players feel just as shafted as those that wanted an EU only localised server from the start, I'd call this justice really for not being able to wait for your own server.
Justice?
I have to ask, how was EU customers denied access? If anyone should get blame for any "shafting", it should be Aventurine.
If Aventurine HAD localized the EU server, do you really believe we would even be discussing the topic of this thread right now?
Single character per server.
That was the terms when people created accounts, up until Aventurine changed it shortly before the NA launch.
How anyone can try to put the blame anywhere other than Aventurine is beyond me.
Justice...
If memory serves correctly the shop had a limited amount of copies, when the copies where sold out the shop closed, if there where 100 copies sold and 90 of them went to NA becuase they got there first then 90 copies where denied to EU customers on a EU server.
I don't deny AV are to blame for this shortcoming in distribution, but I find it ironic that NA players are now complaining about issues over "Allowances" made for them to be able to move freely to the new NA server once it went live, the term "Buyer Beware" rings true here.
Also I have to laugh why ppl are so expectant that AV would deliver on free server moves when they screwed up everything else and made themselves out to be complete imbeciles in releasing DFO, this is one reason I've steered well clear of buying the game, I've just watched the debacle from afar, but had to respond once ppl realised they got shafted yet again.
If the NA players hadn't been so impatient and waited then none of these issues would be happening, it's just like getting into a korean MMO early and then realising you can't understand jack then having to buy another copy once it gets localised.
That's absolutely a valid viewpoint, considering you aren't taking into account all of the information on the topic. If I hadn't been involved in it personally, I wouldn't have cared enough to read all of it either.
Saying "but they are allowing server transfers" then later adding "...in 3 months...for a fee" is akin to saying "You can have this car!" then adding "...in 3 months...and you have to pay for it." It isn't beyond reason that you'd have to pay for it, but it certainly wasn't the expectation set from the start;)
That might be acceptable to some of you, and I respect that. It isn't acceptable, and downright fraudulant, to others of us and you should respect that.
Well I recently paid the $50 and bought a US account, and closed my EU subscription. Being aussie my ping reduced from about 440 to 210. While 210 is still outside your acceptable range, it plays fine. You realise that $50 includes a month of playtime right, so its effectively $35. So what your telling me is your an old UO player, who likes this game but wont fork out a measley $35 to this small development house to play this game because of some moral indignation. You sir are a tool. I'm more than happy to help finance future development of the best MMO since UO. So what if they are better developers than business people, I have to admit being the same, life goes on. Please go take your moral indignation somewhere else and go have a good cry. I'll just go have fun ingame. Have a nice life, a good day, or whatever it is you passive aggressive yanks say.
Wow...
Thats some hate there bro. The main issue is I have to buy accounts for my family. My father, brother, and myself. that measly 35 as you say spikes up to 105.00 as opposed to 45. Thats a 50% savings.
Lets talk about my 20 many guild, thats 700 instead of 300. So yeah... Im a bit disappointed. I do enjoy UO, and DF... looks good. However, not good enough for me to buy the game twice. For you it was, and Im glad you did. However, when a small dev company comes out and makes a product, and I take a risk on them, and they promise me that they will take care of me, then dont, and demand I repurchase the game... its only natural for me not to want to give them more money.
If you personally dont have an issue with it, thats fine. However, when someone tells me one thing, then does another, it tends to ruffle my feathers a bit. You are a much more forgiving man than I.
No it's not hate just someone pointing out the obvious.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Pyrostasis. Why the hell are you fighting for a decent game that's backed by a manipulative-hack of a company? Are you THAT masochistic and desperate for a UO-style game? Seriously, stop it. You've been aware of their corrupt business practices since earlier, why care enough that you allow yourself the possibility of being suckered in? Please man, have more integrity and stop supporting this company. The game is decent, fine... but the company is a load of shazbot. Stop supporting them by caring and paying them! And y'know what, spread the word while you're at it--- Darkfall is great, Aventurine sucks!
You do realize how ridiculous that sounds, right? Let's look at a couple of examples...
You're a gamer, which means you play on a Windows system, or less likely, a Mac. Microsoft and Apple have questionable business practices up the wazoo, but that doesn't bother you enough to make a 100% jump to Linux, right? Using your "I have integrity" model, you shouldn't even be using those operating systems.
You live in LA -- a city known for its overdependence on cars and you support that lifestyle by living there, knowing they are a major contributor to the nation's pollution problem. Apparently that doesn't bother you. You do realize that corrupt "business" practices currently drives the US economy and you approve of that just by participating.
Yet, somehow, the integrity of a small insignificant game comapny sends you over the edge? You have to be kidding me.
You must be a college student. Wait until you graduate and move into the real world.
In the real world, people use what they like or find convenient, regardless of company image or integrity. Sad, but true.
So, it's apparent you decided to pull the "bad company" card just to bolster your argument, because if you actually believed your own hype you would apply it to all facets of your life. Do you?
Seems to me those from NA and other non-EU countries read too much into the "Allowance" part of the statement, allowing transfers of characters after 90 days seems a fair "Allowance". Everyone and their dog wanted to play on the EU servers, EU customers where denied access to DFO in the rush period because of this and now those non EU players feel just as shafted as those that wanted an EU only localised server from the start, I'd call this justice really for not being able to wait for your own server.
Justice?
I have to ask, how was EU customers denied access? If anyone should get blame for any "shafting", it should be Aventurine.
If Aventurine HAD localized the EU server, do you really believe we would even be discussing the topic of this thread right now?
Single character per server.
That was the terms when people created accounts, up until Aventurine changed it shortly before the NA launch.
How anyone can try to put the blame anywhere other than Aventurine is beyond me.
Justice...
If memory serves correctly the shop had a limited amount of copies, when the copies where sold out the shop closed, if there where 100 copies sold and 90 of them went to NA becuase they got there first then 90 copies where denied to EU customers on a EU server.
I don't deny AV are to blame for this shortcoming in distribution, but I find it ironic that NA players are now complaining about issues over "Allowances" made for them to be able to move freely to the new NA server once it went live, the term "Buyer Beware" rings true here.
Also I have to laugh why ppl are so expectant that AV would deliver on free server moves when they screwed up everything else and made themselves out to be complete imbeciles in releasing DFO, this is one reason I've steered well clear of buying the game, I've just watched the debacle from afar, but had to respond once ppl realised they got shafted yet again.
If the NA players hadn't been so impatient and waited then none of these issues would be happening, it's just like getting into a korean MMO early and then realising you can't understand jack then having to buy another copy once it gets localised.
Look no one I know of is looking for a free server move for there existing char. What people are expecting is what they were told they were paying for. We were told One char per server, this is not an assumption on anyones part. AV said very clearly and plainly one char per server. When asked in the forums if we would be able to create a char on NA servers when they launched (This was in the Beta forums by the way) we were told yes. You find it funny that NA players are complaining about not getting what they were told they were paying for? I fund it funny that you as an EU player don't mind you got the shaft here as well. See, we were all going to get 1 char per server, no we ALL get 1 char per account. If you bought the game prior to the change then you got the shaft regardless of what region your from. NA players just feel the sting because now we can't play in our region without purchasing the game again due to this last minute change.
And by the way, since DFO could only be purchased with a CC that automatically excluded a large portion of the EU player base. Whole clans complained that without an alternative payment method they could not purchase the game. EU server was populated by mostly NA players because of this one fact. So I wouldn't get all up in arms about NA players playing on the EU server. If they hadn't bought the game, there likely wouldn't be a game atm.
There's a word that sums your position up quite well "Assume" and when broken down means "Makes an Ass of you and Me", you made too many assumptions of what you where going to get, perhaps you've not been playing MMO's for a great deal of time and are still quite wet behind the ears in regards to "Promises" made by devs or other vague statements. Most veteran players will tell you "Never believe anything a Developer tells you" what is said is highly likely to be changed/forgotten/shelved/cancelled/lied or misquoted. Believe it when you see it and never ever expect more than what is on offer, more times than not your going to get less in the end anyway. Whatever is eventually offered will be a mere shadow of what was originally offered in the first place or a half assed attempt.
Thats why when selling a product, any company has to be VERY clear what kind of product they are selling and the cost of it. Normal companies do that to avoid just this kind of situation where people assume things that are not true. In the case of AV, they SHOULD of been explicitly clear about the terms of the NA transfers - specifically about the cost associated with that transfer. But since they are either incompetent or just greedy for a quick buck, they did not specifically mention any cost, just vaguely mentioned to "accomodate" those clients wishing to transfer. This is bad business in general bordering misrepresentation of their services and plain old scam.
Single character per server. That was the terms when people created accounts, up until Aventurine changed it shortly before the NA launch. How anyone can try to put the blame anywhere other than Aventurine is beyond me.
Oh, bingo. I'm not sure how can people not see how Aventurine did a small "fix" in the characters policy, that twisted the way it was supposed to work entirely. Underhanded changes maybe? "One character per server" leaves no room for spin to me, but oh well...
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Its a cut/paste response, but if enough people cancel their subs for that reason, that just might convince AV to change their policy. With the ultra-small DF player base, it wouldn't take that many cancellations. I hope you do get your wish, I think AV wronged here and you have every right to protest. In fact, because of their misinformation, I think you have the right to demand a refund for the box itself (not the play time).
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Oh you are so rich, how about donating 50$ to an indie developer like myself? Cmon, don't be like them, yanks. Cough up the dough, now!
Only a person who doesn't earn their own money would give away so unreasonably. You are either filthy rich or just a mommas boy living on parents allowance. Grow up and learn to respect other people.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
I bought the game at release and quite liked it.
But for some other reasons I stopped playing.
Now I am waiting for EU2 to launch, and I hope I don't have to buy a new account, cause it ain't going to happen.
To the OP.
The real reason why you have to wait 3 months is to give the chance to the new players to catch up with you guys.
It wouldn't be fair to have a 5 months old character on a new server, would it?
On the other hand I don't understand why Aventurine doesn't give the option to old custyomer to delete their character on EU and roll a new one on US..............have you tried asking the support this question?
I am curious about the answer.
BS BS BS BS BS!!!!!
Tasos is lying out is weasley little ass here.
Before I quit this cheap POS iteration of UO some of my guildies decided to go ahead and purchase the NA client and get out guild a head start before xfers were allowed.
When the confirmation e-mail and bank statement came you know whp it said the purchase came from?
Audio Visual Enterprises S.A.
3 Parnonos Str, Marousi ,
15125 Athens, Greece,
Tax Reg. Number 094115374
THE SAME FREAKING COMPANY OWNS BOTH RIGHTS.
The only things that is different is what company is maintaining the DF Servers.
Oh and BTW, MOST MMORPGS allow you to play on either NA, EU or Asian servers with no restrictions.
I can do it in UO. I can do it in EQ, I can do it in SWG and I can do it in WoW.
Only Averturine tries to pull this BS.
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
Playing: Skyrim
Following: The Repopulation
I want a Virtual World, not just a Game.
ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
The only problem is, AV said they could play on EU and then play on NA when it comes out without EVER mentioning anything about paying any FEES. Only after people bought the EU client, only then were they informed that there would be a fee associated with playing on NA server: either buying a new client or paying a transfer fee.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
They said they would try to accommodate you if you wanted to play the European version from the US. That they did. They are even going so far as to allow you to be able to clone your account to a US version if you wait. This is a small time company with pretty much a total investment in this game so it's no where near as easy for them to do these things which you would have every right to expect from a larger company like EA, Funcom, or Blizzard. I'm sorry and I emphasize with your feelings, but I also see the problem from their side too. I'm not a Darkfall player, and I don't intend to be, but you could see problems like this ahead from the very start, you'll be lucky if you are ever able to cancel your European account without having to block them from your credit card.
canceling was no problem at all.
I dont think AV is dirty...simply borderline incompetent.
"Now I am waiting for EU2 to launch, and I hope I don't have to buy a new account, cause it ain't going to happen."
Well, according to Aventurine's new and improved "One character per account" clause, you'll be subject to the same policies that are being discussed in this thread.
P.S.: But as you know, Aventurine can change their policies at any time, without any warning.
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blizzard does the exact same thing - charges for EU and NA separately, except blizz won't even give you the *option* of transferring -- you have to re-buy the client and re-buy all expansions.
so while it sucks for us gamers, Ave is just doing the standard MMO company thing here... so while i can have some sympathy for those who have to wait to transfer or re-buy, any experienced gamer already knew this was going to happen.
Are you sure? I could have sworn that you were able to play on NA and EU servers without having another account.
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
Playing: Skyrim
Following: The Repopulation
I want a Virtual World, not just a Game.
ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
A simple mail to support and 6 hours later, I was moved from the European AoC to American AoC. Am I crazy?
You should post some links to support your allegation. I'll be waiting.
Any experienced gamer knows that Developers and Publishers vary wildly regarding to service and support. Any other comparison beyond that is simply moot.
Not surprised, I bet most people didnt buy the client again lol. You gotta be addicted to MMOs to actually do such a thing. It's just a video game.
Wow...
Thats some hate there bro. The main issue is I have to buy accounts for my family. My father, brother, and myself. that measly 35 as you say spikes up to 105.00 as opposed to 45. Thats a 50% savings.
Lets talk about my 20 many guild, thats 700 instead of 300. So yeah... Im a bit disappointed. I do enjoy UO, and DF... looks good. However, not good enough for me to buy the game twice. For you it was, and Im glad you did. However, when a small dev company comes out and makes a product, and I take a risk on them, and they promise me that they will take care of me, then dont, and demand I repurchase the game... its only natural for me not to want to give them more money.
If you personally dont have an issue with it, thats fine. However, when someone tells me one thing, then does another, it tends to ruffle my feathers a bit. You are a much more forgiving man than I.
Well cant u just buy yours and let your father buy your brothers and his own.
Seems to me those from NA and other non-EU countries read too much into the "Allowance" part of the statement, allowing transfers of characters after 90 days seems a fair "Allowance".
Everyone and their dog wanted to play on the EU servers, EU customers where denied access to DFO in the rush period because of this and now those non EU players feel just as shafted as those that wanted an EU only localised server from the start, I'd call this justice really for not being able to wait for your own server.
Wow...
Thats some hate there bro. The main issue is I have to buy accounts for my family. My father, brother, and myself. that measly 35 as you say spikes up to 105.00 as opposed to 45. Thats a 50% savings.
Lets talk about my 20 many guild, thats 700 instead of 300. So yeah... Im a bit disappointed. I do enjoy UO, and DF... looks good. However, not good enough for me to buy the game twice. For you it was, and Im glad you did. However, when a small dev company comes out and makes a product, and I take a risk on them, and they promise me that they will take care of me, then dont, and demand I repurchase the game... its only natural for me not to want to give them more money.
If you personally dont have an issue with it, thats fine. However, when someone tells me one thing, then does another, it tends to ruffle my feathers a bit. You are a much more forgiving man than I.
Well cant u just buy yours and let your father buy your brothers and his own.
Neither of them have the extra income atm to afford that kind of purchase. I do what I can to help out.
The issue is AV made it extremely vague. Folks made assumptions, and when questions were asked on the forums, these assumptions were posted as fact. Not a single AV spokesmen or employee stepped up to counter these posts... and thus it was assumed to be true. AV screwed up the communication.
You are welcome to think what you like. AV chose not to localize, and let folks from everywhere buy the game. BETA players were supposed to get first crack at it, and they didnt. First week or so of launch was horrible for anyone on either side of the pond. Not to mention half my guild got in, while the other half continued to try for a month before finally giving up.
You can say its justified if you like, you are welcome to your opinion. However, for me and my group, AV led us to believe that we would be able to play the NA version with no aditional fees. We then come to find out thats not the case. AV then also changes their user policy to cover their butts... and understandably a lot of us are upset.
This all comes down to business. If you love DF you should want us ot be able to do this just as much as we do. Why? Strictly cause more people playing = more revenue for AV = more content and devs for you as well. Us not playing = less of all of that, and if AV's financials dont do well you get a dead game.
Fact of the matter is AV is a small dev company and they cant afford to make enemies and run people off, AV needs to fix this and honor what they originally stated.
The issue is AV made it extremely vague. Folks made assumptions, and when questions were asked on the forums, these assumptions were posted as fact. Not a single AV spokesmen or employee stepped up to counter these posts... and thus it was assumed to be true. AV screwed up the communication.
You are welcome to think what you like. AV chose not to localize, and let folks from everywhere buy the game. BETA players were supposed to get first crack at it, and they didnt. First week or so of launch was horrible for anyone on either side of the pond. Not to mention half my guild got in, while the other half continued to try for a month before finally giving up.
You can say its justified if you like, you are welcome to your opinion. However, for me and my group, AV led us to believe that we would be able to play the NA version with no aditional fees. We then come to find out thats not the case. AV then also changes their user policy to cover their butts... and understandably a lot of us are upset.
This all comes down to business. If you love DF you should want us ot be able to do this just as much as we do. Why? Strictly cause more people playing = more revenue for AV = more content and devs for you as well. Us not playing = less of all of that, and if AV's financials dont do well you get a dead game.
Fact of the matter is AV is a small dev company and they cant afford to make enemies and run people off, AV needs to fix this and honor what they originally stated.
There's a word that sums your position up quite well "Assume" and when broken down means "Makes an Ass of you and Me", you made too many assumptions of what you where going to get, perhaps you've not been playing MMO's for a great deal of time and are still quite wet behind the ears in regards to "Promises" made by devs or other vague statements.
Most veteran players will tell you "Never believe anything a Developer tells you" what is said is highly likely to be changed/forgotten/shelved/cancelled/lied or misquoted.
Believe it when you see it and never ever expect more than what is on offer, more times than not your going to get less in the end anyway.
Whatever is eventually offered will be a mere shadow of what was originally offered in the first place or a half assed attempt.
Justice?
I have to ask, how was EU customers denied access? If anyone should get blame for any "shafting", it should be Aventurine.
If Aventurine HAD localized the EU server, do you really believe we would even be discussing the topic of this thread right now?
Single character per server.
That was the terms when people created accounts, up until Aventurine changed it shortly before the NA launch.
How anyone can try to put the blame anywhere other than Aventurine is beyond me.
Justice...
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Justice?
I have to ask, how was EU customers denied access? If anyone should get blame for any "shafting", it should be Aventurine.
If Aventurine HAD localized the EU server, do you really believe we would even be discussing the topic of this thread right now?
Single character per server.
That was the terms when people created accounts, up until Aventurine changed it shortly before the NA launch.
How anyone can try to put the blame anywhere other than Aventurine is beyond me.
Justice...
If memory serves correctly the shop had a limited amount of copies, when the copies where sold out the shop closed, if there where 100 copies sold and 90 of them went to NA becuase they got there first then 90 copies where denied to EU customers on a EU server.
I don't deny AV are to blame for this shortcoming in distribution, but I find it ironic that NA players are now complaining about issues over "Allowances" made for them to be able to move freely to the new NA server once it went live, the term "Buyer Beware" rings true here.
Also I have to laugh why ppl are so expectant that AV would deliver on free server moves when they screwed up everything else and made themselves out to be complete imbeciles in releasing DFO, this is one reason I've steered well clear of buying the game, I've just watched the debacle from afar, but had to respond once ppl realised they got shafted yet again.
If the NA players hadn't been so impatient and waited then none of these issues would be happening, it's just like getting into a korean MMO early and then realising you can't understand jack then having to buy another copy once it gets localised.
That's absolutely a valid viewpoint, considering you aren't taking into account all of the information on the topic. If I hadn't been involved in it personally, I wouldn't have cared enough to read all of it either.
Saying "but they are allowing server transfers" then later adding "...in 3 months...for a fee" is akin to saying "You can have this car!" then adding "...in 3 months...and you have to pay for it." It isn't beyond reason that you'd have to pay for it, but it certainly wasn't the expectation set from the start;)
That might be acceptable to some of you, and I respect that. It isn't acceptable, and downright fraudulant, to others of us and you should respect that.
EDIT! left out a whole word that time...go me!
Wow...
Thats some hate there bro. The main issue is I have to buy accounts for my family. My father, brother, and myself. that measly 35 as you say spikes up to 105.00 as opposed to 45. Thats a 50% savings.
Lets talk about my 20 many guild, thats 700 instead of 300. So yeah... Im a bit disappointed. I do enjoy UO, and DF... looks good. However, not good enough for me to buy the game twice. For you it was, and Im glad you did. However, when a small dev company comes out and makes a product, and I take a risk on them, and they promise me that they will take care of me, then dont, and demand I repurchase the game... its only natural for me not to want to give them more money.
If you personally dont have an issue with it, thats fine. However, when someone tells me one thing, then does another, it tends to ruffle my feathers a bit. You are a much more forgiving man than I.
No it's not hate just someone pointing out the obvious.
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You do realize how ridiculous that sounds, right? Let's look at a couple of examples...
You're a gamer, which means you play on a Windows system, or less likely, a Mac. Microsoft and Apple have questionable business practices up the wazoo, but that doesn't bother you enough to make a 100% jump to Linux, right? Using your "I have integrity" model, you shouldn't even be using those operating systems.
You live in LA -- a city known for its overdependence on cars and you support that lifestyle by living there, knowing they are a major contributor to the nation's pollution problem. Apparently that doesn't bother you. You do realize that corrupt "business" practices currently drives the US economy and you approve of that just by participating.
Yet, somehow, the integrity of a small insignificant game comapny sends you over the edge? You have to be kidding me.
You must be a college student. Wait until you graduate and move into the real world.
In the real world, people use what they like or find convenient, regardless of company image or integrity. Sad, but true.
So, it's apparent you decided to pull the "bad company" card just to bolster your argument, because if you actually believed your own hype you would apply it to all facets of your life. Do you?
Justice?
I have to ask, how was EU customers denied access? If anyone should get blame for any "shafting", it should be Aventurine.
If Aventurine HAD localized the EU server, do you really believe we would even be discussing the topic of this thread right now?
Single character per server.
That was the terms when people created accounts, up until Aventurine changed it shortly before the NA launch.
How anyone can try to put the blame anywhere other than Aventurine is beyond me.
Justice...
If memory serves correctly the shop had a limited amount of copies, when the copies where sold out the shop closed, if there where 100 copies sold and 90 of them went to NA becuase they got there first then 90 copies where denied to EU customers on a EU server.
I don't deny AV are to blame for this shortcoming in distribution, but I find it ironic that NA players are now complaining about issues over "Allowances" made for them to be able to move freely to the new NA server once it went live, the term "Buyer Beware" rings true here.
Also I have to laugh why ppl are so expectant that AV would deliver on free server moves when they screwed up everything else and made themselves out to be complete imbeciles in releasing DFO, this is one reason I've steered well clear of buying the game, I've just watched the debacle from afar, but had to respond once ppl realised they got shafted yet again.
If the NA players hadn't been so impatient and waited then none of these issues would be happening, it's just like getting into a korean MMO early and then realising you can't understand jack then having to buy another copy once it gets localised.
Look no one I know of is looking for a free server move for there existing char. What people are expecting is what they were told they were paying for. We were told One char per server, this is not an assumption on anyones part. AV said very clearly and plainly one char per server. When asked in the forums if we would be able to create a char on NA servers when they launched (This was in the Beta forums by the way) we were told yes. You find it funny that NA players are complaining about not getting what they were told they were paying for? I fund it funny that you as an EU player don't mind you got the shaft here as well. See, we were all going to get 1 char per server, no we ALL get 1 char per account. If you bought the game prior to the change then you got the shaft regardless of what region your from. NA players just feel the sting because now we can't play in our region without purchasing the game again due to this last minute change.
And by the way, since DFO could only be purchased with a CC that automatically excluded a large portion of the EU player base. Whole clans complained that without an alternative payment method they could not purchase the game. EU server was populated by mostly NA players because of this one fact. So I wouldn't get all up in arms about NA players playing on the EU server. If they hadn't bought the game, there likely wouldn't be a game atm.
Thats why when selling a product, any company has to be VERY clear what kind of product they are selling and the cost of it. Normal companies do that to avoid just this kind of situation where people assume things that are not true. In the case of AV, they SHOULD of been explicitly clear about the terms of the NA transfers - specifically about the cost associated with that transfer. But since they are either incompetent or just greedy for a quick buck, they did not specifically mention any cost, just vaguely mentioned to "accomodate" those clients wishing to transfer. This is bad business in general bordering misrepresentation of their services and plain old scam.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Oh, bingo. I'm not sure how can people not see how Aventurine did a small "fix" in the characters policy, that twisted the way it was supposed to work entirely. Underhanded changes maybe? "One character per server" leaves no room for spin to me, but oh well...