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So mining isn't lucrative/worth it?
Dark-Asylum
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in EVE Online
say I just wanted to mine to make money and to help fund a corp that I join, would this not be a decent way of also providing for myself? the eve forums say that mining is the equivilant to working at mcdonalds can anyone comment?
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Mining is a fine profession, but, as with everything else, it depends on how much you put into it. I have a few friends who do nothing but sit in a hulk and suck 'roids. They mave a lot of iskies because they have virtually no expenses.
But it's boring, if you ask me. Mindnumbingly boring. Go ahead, though.
It also depends on where and what you mine. Each to his own. Mining can be profitable. It just takes a while because you need some good skills to compete. But that's how it is on every aspect of Eve, isn't it? :P
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mining in high sec you will need a fleet to make real money to help a corp but once you get in 00 space the money is ten times more if you can mine and not be force to defend your space.
I mine in high sec and run missions, i don't play to max my isk per hour like some but i do fine, i was in a corp in 00 for a few months the cash was crazy mining but lots of time out in my intercepter trying to defend our space so 00 space is better for cash if you can find the time to mine, and in high sec it's more relaxing mining and toss in missions for a change of pace, not like missions are high action fights like in 00.
To the OP: there are also people on the forums that will say 10 billion isk is just pocket change... but if you had that many iskies in your pocket, would you be feeling like you were poor?
Sure it is. Bump into people. It pisses them off even though it really doesn't do anything. Better idea drop random loot. Name it something stupid like OMG FREE STUFF. First person that comes up to get it just shot the crap out of them. Works every time on this high advance screen saver game known as Eve.
When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?
Join a corp if you do go mining-but don't be afraid to be discriminating when looking at "what's in it for you." A security detail allows for peace of mind--but if you like risk you could go into 0.0 and make a run--there's a good chance no one will ever even pop into local. But mining is more of a gateway into other activities....what those activities are depends on you.
You guys know I love EvE but I don't know how you guys could just stare at a god damn rock all day.
CCP needs to make mining more active.
Let us manage lazer temps, roid stability. Let us avoid debri and that kind of shit.
Take away the three quality Ore system and let us turn ore into Dense, regular or whatever by completing certain tasks while mining.
Like if you perfectly avoid high temps and stability issues you get Dense Veld.
For the love of god I can't see how staring at a rock for hours on end is fun.
Mining has to be the one mechanic in eve thats totally borked (along with the bounty system maybe).
To the OP, Yes you can make good isk mining. Should you? please don't your eyeballs will bleed and you will die of boredom.
Edit: I would also like to add that they need to get rid of that lame Right click>find roid field feature.
Give all the mining ships a scanning function to find roid fields put a little exploration in the bastard and imo if you have to keep the right clicl roid option make all those roids only have low quality ore.
Sorry im getting to amped up on this mining thing it just pisses me off that mining is so lame in this game when everything else in Eve has been improved in someway. I'm sorry adding in the Orca did not fix the lame mining mechanic in eve.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
i would tend to agree with that, but when you have to mine enough to refine 10-20 million trit. i would not like to spend that much time trying to tweak the miner so i get dense or concentrated. put some drones out pick up a book or homework and there you go. Have a peak at it once every 10 -15 minutes to empty the cargo.
i would tend to agree with that, but when you have to mine enough to refine 10-20 million trit. i would not like to spend that much time trying to tweak the miner so i get dense or concentrated. put some drones out pick up a book or homework and there you go. Have a peak at it once every 10 -15 minutes to empty the cargo.
Yuck I hate Afk miners!
They need to put an Afk function into the game. If a miner is afk for more than 5 mintues a fleet of sleepers shows up and blows you to hell.
Why play if you going to be watching TV or reading a book while playing a MMO?
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
To each their own, whats it matter to you how they would like to spend their $15/per month
They're entitled to do any boring activity they want while doing homework/watching TV/designing a new MMO. I think the nature of EVE is supposed to be a much more subtle game compared to most 
I mean look at how intense combat gets in terms of direct actions/inputs required to play compared to a more traditional game in which you might have 50 skills/abilities/spells to utilize at a moments notice. EVE is more about making decisions that'll benefit your situations and character development and thats what I like about it 
yes it is worth if you are mining high-ends at 0.0 . If you are mining at high sec missions has better isk/hour ratio ,iirc you can make around 10m isk/hour from mining ,youll make much more with ratting /mining at 0.0 /missioning lvl4s at high sec , 20-25m isk/hour is easily possible.
Mining has one advantage ,you can mine semi afk at high-sec and/or use multiple accounts with minimal effort
Not really true. Mission runners can also go semi-afk in L4s if they use Domi w/heavies
I think Afking and making isk in anything Mining or missioning is against the rules.
I havent read the rules and regulations of CCP but im sure automated mining isn't an approved thing.
Also why should I care if someone Afk mines? this isnt fucking wow where everyone plays on a hundreds newb servers, this is EVE we play on one giant server and everything you do effects me and when people become fat cats in high sec by afking it makes my life harder.
This is the reason I now approve of flipping miners in high sec and ninja slavaging afk mission runners because you people are fucking lame!
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
Mining is not lucrative because it is not efficient time/effort wise.
Sure and they pay to play the game the way they want to just the same as the next person who might prefer to take a more active role. I AFK'ed mined only a few times and the times I did, I still had to check up on my ship once every 5-10 minutes or so, technically it really isn't AFK mining unless someone figured a way to macro it (which is pretty illegal in most games these days), but I would think that this is rarely the case. I think this is part of the beauty of this game, I can be active when I want to be active within the game and I can also take a backseat and lax up a bit and still progress the goals I set for my character effectively in more ways than one.
Not many other games will allow you to do this. If you want to mention WoW, how many things can you do on that game if you feel like just doing something quick for about 15-20 minutes? Its fairly limited and what you get out of it is next to nothing. I wouldn't entirely view this as a bad thing and would definitely consider something like this as part of the game since this game is a fairly open environment compared to most of the other mainstream MMO's.
In regards to "AFK activity", they usually are giving up something (money is considerably slower and generally run more risk of getting destroyed/wasting time) in order to not pay much attention to the screen so I see this fairly balanced out in that regard.
Again, people also pay their subscriptions in some form and they should be entitled to being able to utilize different options and styles of play as long as they aren't entirely detrimenting the game as a whole (such as macroing/botting). They are as a entitled to their activity (or lack thereof) just as much as you are entitled to try and spite their "AFK activities"
Sure and they pay to play the game the way they want to just the same as the next person who might prefer to take a more active role. I AFK'ed mined only a few times and the times I did, I still had to check up on my ship once every 5-10 minutes or so, technically it really isn't AFK mining unless someone figured a way to macro it (which is pretty illegal in most games these days), but I would think that this is rarely the case. I think this is part of the beauty of this game, I can be active when I want to be active within the game and I can also take a backseat and lax up a bit and still progress the goals I set for my character effectively in more ways than one.
Not many other games will allow you to do this. If you want to mention WoW, how many things can you do on that game if you feel like just doing something quick for about 15-20 minutes? Its fairly limited and what you get out of it is next to nothing. I wouldn't entirely view this as a bad thing and would definitely consider something like this as part of the game since this game is a fairly open environment compared to most of the other mainstream MMO's.
In regards to "AFK activity", they usually are giving up something (money is considerably slower and generally run more risk of getting destroyed/wasting time) in order to not pay much attention to the screen so I see this fairly balanced out in that regard.
Again, people also pay their subscriptions in some form and they should be entitled to being able to utilize different options and styles of play as long as they aren't entirely detrimenting the game as a whole (such as macroing/botting). They are as a entitled to their activity (or lack thereof) just as much as you are entitled to try and spite their "AFK activities"
You are already choosing how you want to play by being a miner, why afk?
A miner is the least active role in Eve why make it that you don't even need to be at the pc?
it's interesting that players in eve are against more of an active alternative to mining.
I would love mining to be a more active mechanic. Maybe latching only a Comet and mining it and stuff.
Mining right now feels like it's way too static for such a great game like Eve.
I understand it's the right of the person playing 15 bucks a month if they want to afk mine but its also my right to go out of my way to destroy every afk miner and steal from every afk mission runner that i want.
Hopefully CCP will add the Sleeper AI to all missions and make mining anti-afk then eve will be perfect. Shit we already advance offline with our skills do you really need to make isk by not being in front of the comp?
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
mining is lucrative BUT not like 3/4 months ago if you live on empire if you are on empire you only mine velspar for tritanium the price is a bit lower but still profitable if you mine in a osprey or better ship
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I think Afking and making isk in anything Mining or missioning is against the rules.
...I think what he means is afk these activites via legal means such as parking an Industrial V in high sec and leave it on mining a rock all night or simply just going into a mission, grab aggro, then release the drones. These things are ok and do not break the rules. It's just the way the game is designed I believe is what that poster is saying.
I agree with him mostly that in EVE the game is more about macro then 'micro'
However, when it comes to pvp at least, I have found multiple times that split second decisions have either saved my life or resulted in a costly loss of resources
I think Afking and making isk in anything Mining or missioning is against the rules.
...I think what he means is afk these activites via legal means such as parking an Industrial V in high sec and leave it on mining a rock all night or simply just going into a mission, grab aggro, then release the drones. These things are ok and do not break the rules. It's just the way the game is designed I believe is what that poster is saying.
I agree with him mostly that in EVE the game is more about macro then 'micro'
However, when it comes to pvp at least, I have found multiple times that split second decisions have either saved my life or resulted in a costly loss of resources
Well grabbing aggro and letting your drones kill shit is how drone bots operate, Drones just don't have the defenses to absorb direct damage over a long period of time to be more active. Ever take down a spawn of sleepers with a drone ship? its a headache since drones last about 20 seconds against sleeper fire.
I also don't have a problem minimizing risk in eve I just have a problem with automated play.
I give props to 0.0 miners and mission runners that have the balls to run Wh's and Plex/missions in low sec.
I do agree with you on the pvp comment, pvp in eve rocks.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
I know guys that afk L4s all the time, so yeah, drones may last 20 seconds against sleeprs. Don't fight sleepers then.
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As I have already said and was countless times discussed on forums - drones are fine against sleepers.
Learn how to use them. Fight at close range, scoop them when they get agro.
lets give more info to OP and dont derail the thread
OP care to make another post ?
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Who said they weren't fine?
I fly a Domi for IVs and WH Ops and I know how to use drones I was only pointing out the differences between the Npc AI and that it could be annoying lol (Can't Afk sleepers).
Calling something annoying doesn't mean Im a newb and don't know how to use my drones, I'm not mentally challenged.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
I think Afking and making isk in anything Mining or missioning is against the rules.
...I think what he means is afk these activites via legal means such as parking an Industrial V in high sec and leave it on mining a rock all night or simply just going into a mission, grab aggro, then release the drones. These things are ok and do not break the rules. It's just the way the game is designed I believe is what that poster is saying.
I agree with him mostly that in EVE the game is more about macro then 'micro'
However, when it comes to pvp at least, I have found multiple times that split second decisions have either saved my life or resulted in a costly loss of resources
Well grabbing aggro and letting your drones kill shit is how drone bots operate, Drones just don't have the defenses to absorb direct damage over a long period of time to be more active. Ever take down a spawn of sleepers with a drone ship? its a headache since drones last about 20 seconds against sleeper fire.
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Yeah I'm familiar with drone boats since I've been using them for past few years
Nope never fought a sleeper. I try to avoid pve as much as I can. When I come to a wormhole it will probably be with evil intentions
Look- you can make a profit mining. But you need to build it like a real small business at first. If you do the research you can become wealthy but it will only be based on the time you put into it. A corp is the way to go to learn. That is the trade secret right there.
I do wish that mining was a bit more of a mini-game unto itself. I don't get bored though because I am always chatting it up and listening to music. The occasional rat kinda breaks up the lack of action.
In 12 days I finally get my Coverter! Then - soon after my Hulk! ^_^ It has been a long time coming! OMG - I cannot wait. My sis has been playing with me and we also run missions and do a lot of salvaging together. She is just a couple of days from getting her Charon and will start doing some serious trading. It's all fun!
I just wish they would add
AMBULATION!