I find the most disciplined and best players tend to be the best grinders. Grinding builds discipline. Maybe that's why RPG players from asian territories generally outplay and outclass players from other regions.
Emotep has a point, anyone complaining about leveling at 20 isn't ever going to continue playing Aion. It's better to get rid of them before they become a hassle and become a negative influence on a legion. It's bad for legion morale to have members quit than to have them kicked.
I played Lineage 2 for years, I can handle the leveling of Aion, but I can't say that about everyone else.
It still blows my mind that people really think this game will be a mega hit, let alone direct competition for WoW. After two weekends of this game, I'd rather play WAR or AoC and I don't like those games either.
Grinding is what boyfriends are for, not games.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
It still blows my mind that people really think this game will be a mega hit, let alone direct competition for WoW. After two weekends of this game, I'd rather play WAR or AoC and I don't like those games either.
Well it blows my mind that people don't think this will be a mega hit when it already is and it hasn't even released yet in EU or NA. The game is mediocre 1-25, but mid to end game it is really a pretty sick game. Still though I don't think it will threaten WoW. The players who aren't mindless drones have already left WoW and won't ever return. The rest are lost causes and will move between WoW to Diablo 3 to Blizz's next MMO.
Since when did it matter if your favorite game was a complete POS sellout? That is much more of a negative factor to me than a positive one.
Ah and on topic, grinding exists in all games. WoW has a neverending gear grind that people keep falling for expansion after expansion. Grind makes MMORPG's long lasting. However Aion's grind is not what most people think with 1.5. Ignorance is bliss though, and it is also entertaining when people on this forum take it and put it on a podium all oiled up for everyone to see in it's shiny oily glory.
Do I really have to spell it out for you? It should have been obvious that my comment was in reference to the western market, since that is where this conversation is taking place, but whatever.
That's funny. Seems to me that anyone who plays MMOs are considered mindless drones by the public at large, among other colorful labels as well. A big part of that is because people see that the majority of gamers spend way too much time in game than is considered healthy. I bet, if these MMOs had a lot less grinding, people would be less likely to sit in front of the computer for 6 hours straight. Not only would this be healthier for the player, but would do tons to improve their real life image.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I'd agree that there is some sort of discipline earned from hours of grinding. Focusing on any one task and attaining a goal is a reward all in itself, but don't go patting yourself on the back. Games are still a form of entertainment, which means that there are better ways of learning self discipline if that is your goal in the first place...
Some people take the fun out of games (grind), and in my opinion I'd rather get my self discipline skills from somewhere else and leave gaming for the fun side of life. :-)
I'd agree that there is some sort of discipline earned from hours of grinding. Focusing on any one task and attaining a goal is a reward all in itself, but don't go patting yourself on the back. Games are still a form of entertainment, which means that there are better ways of learning self discipline if that is your goal in the first place... Some people take the fun out of games (grind), and in my opinion I'd rather get my self discipline skills from somewhere else and leave gaming for the fun side of life. :-)
Do I really have to spell it out for you? It should have been obvious that my comment was in reference to the western market, since that is where this conversation is taking place, but whatever. That's funny. Seems to me that anyone who plays MMOs are considered mindless drones by the public at large, among other colorful labels as well. A big part of that is because people see that the majority of gamers spend way too much time in game than is considered healthy. I bet, if these MMOs had a lot less grinding, people would be less likely to sit in front of the computer for 6 hours straight. Not only would this be healthier for the player, but would do tons to improve their real life image.
If you wanna build mental discipline you should play Lineage 2.
It was a good laugh. On a second thought, when I read some answers, people seem to even believe this and this is kinda "dangerous". Ok, guys: Doing the same thing over and over for hours without thinking, like pressing *click,1,2,3*, makes you DUMB. Mental discipline...lol. I am yet missing the *it is because of the lore* argument.
Real grinders grind effciently, which requires thought.
It was a good laugh. On a second thought, when I read some answers, people seem to even believe this and this is kinda "dangerous". Ok, guys: Doing the same thing over and over for hours without thinking, like pressing *click,1,2,3*, makes you DUMB. Mental discipline...lol. I am yet missing the *it is because of the lore* argument.
Real grinders grind effciently, which requires thought.
Something N. American players have yet to master.
Real grinders write bots and let the computer do what it's good at. This Eastern Grinders thing is a myth. There's a difference between "can't" and "are too smart to." Isn't the purpose of modern technology to relieve us from the drudgery and free up time to do what we want? I think some people are missing the point of the concept "game." You're trying to make a virtue of stupidity.
Sounds like another N. American MMORPG player that is afraid of working hard.
It was a good laugh. On a second thought, when I read some answers, people seem to even believe this and this is kinda "dangerous". Ok, guys: Doing the same thing over and over for hours without thinking, like pressing *click,1,2,3*, makes you DUMB. Mental discipline...lol. I am yet missing the *it is because of the lore* argument.
Real grinders grind effciently, which requires thought.
Something N. American players have yet to master.
Real grinders write bots and let the computer do what it's good at. This Eastern Grinders thing is a myth. There's a difference between "can't" and "are too smart to." Isn't the purpose of modern technology to relieve us from the drudgery and free up time to do what we want? I think some people are missing the point of the concept "game." You're trying to make a virtue of stupidity.
Sounds like another N. American MMORPG player that is afraid of working hard.
yeah you know us lazy americans......wheres my wife? i need a beer.
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Yep mental discipline, or eye problems.
lol. wow.
I find the dumbest and most braindead people to be the best grinders.
See what I did there?
My legion kicked out 2 players for complaining about grinding past level 20 during Closed Beta 5
It's a good way to weed out undisciplined players.
It is also a good way to prove your guild is led by elitist jerks.
Oh it's emotep, nevermind. Didn't catch this guys name. Can disreguard anything said by him, as it's only meant to provoke others.
Lol wow.
It is also a good way to prove your guild is led by elitist jerks.
Nah, not really. I see nothing wrong with removing people who can't grind.
I love grinding, but i dont think the culture you come from has to do anything at all with your "discipline"
To me grinding is a great way to kill time
thats all
If you watch The Karate Kid backwards it's about this karate champ that just kinda slowly becomes a pussy and ends up moving back to Jersey
Emotep has a point, anyone complaining about leveling at 20 isn't ever going to continue playing Aion. It's better to get rid of them before they become a hassle and become a negative influence on a legion. It's bad for legion morale to have members quit than to have them kicked.
I played Lineage 2 for years, I can handle the leveling of Aion, but I can't say that about everyone else.
^^
Fixed that for ya.
It still blows my mind that people really think this game will be a mega hit, let alone direct competition for WoW. After two weekends of this game, I'd rather play WAR or AoC and I don't like those games either.
Grinding is what boyfriends are for, not games.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Grinding is more of a good way to see who excels at shutting down his brain completely for longer periods of time.
Alot of grinding = Alot of bots
Have fun with your botfest.
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
Yea but drinking is a funner way of shutting down the brain.
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
Well it blows my mind that people don't think this will be a mega hit when it already is and it hasn't even released yet in EU or NA. The game is mediocre 1-25, but mid to end game it is really a pretty sick game. Still though I don't think it will threaten WoW. The players who aren't mindless drones have already left WoW and won't ever return. The rest are lost causes and will move between WoW to Diablo 3 to Blizz's next MMO.
Since when did it matter if your favorite game was a complete POS sellout? That is much more of a negative factor to me than a positive one.
Ah and on topic, grinding exists in all games. WoW has a neverending gear grind that people keep falling for expansion after expansion. Grind makes MMORPG's long lasting. However Aion's grind is not what most people think with 1.5. Ignorance is bliss though, and it is also entertaining when people on this forum take it and put it on a podium all oiled up for everyone to see in it's shiny oily glory.
Do I really have to spell it out for you? It should have been obvious that my comment was in reference to the western market, since that is where this conversation is taking place, but whatever.
That's funny. Seems to me that anyone who plays MMOs are considered mindless drones by the public at large, among other colorful labels as well. A big part of that is because people see that the majority of gamers spend way too much time in game than is considered healthy. I bet, if these MMOs had a lot less grinding, people would be less likely to sit in front of the computer for 6 hours straight. Not only would this be healthier for the player, but would do tons to improve their real life image.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I'd agree that there is some sort of discipline earned from hours of grinding. Focusing on any one task and attaining a goal is a reward all in itself, but don't go patting yourself on the back. Games are still a form of entertainment, which means that there are better ways of learning self discipline if that is your goal in the first place...
Some people take the fun out of games (grind), and in my opinion I'd rather get my self discipline skills from somewhere else and leave gaming for the fun side of life. :-)
Grind doesnt seem to be working for the OP
Grinding is just practice. Even though it's a game.. you don't get to beat it because you paid for it. You gotta get good at it.
Whereas grinding might build mental discipline, so does the desire to do well.
/shrug
Nicely said.
If you wanna build mental discipline you should play Lineage 2.
It was a good laugh.
On a second thought, when I read some answers, people seem to even believe this and this is kinda "dangerous".
Ok, guys:
Doing the same thing over and over for hours without thinking, like pressing *click,1,2,3*, makes you DUMB.
Mental discipline...lol. I am yet missing the *it is because of the lore* argument.
Real grinders grind effciently, which requires thought.
Something N. American players have yet to master.
Real grinders grind effciently, which requires thought.
Something N. American players have yet to master.
Real grinders write bots and let the computer do what it's good at. This Eastern Grinders thing is a myth. There's a difference between "can't" and "are too smart to." Isn't the purpose of modern technology to relieve us from the drudgery and free up time to do what we want? I think some people are missing the point of the concept "game." You're trying to make a virtue of stupidity.
Sounds like another N. American MMORPG player that is afraid of working hard.
Real grinders grind effciently, which requires thought.
Something N. American players have yet to master.
Real grinders write bots and let the computer do what it's good at. This Eastern Grinders thing is a myth. There's a difference between "can't" and "are too smart to." Isn't the purpose of modern technology to relieve us from the drudgery and free up time to do what we want? I think some people are missing the point of the concept "game." You're trying to make a virtue of stupidity.
Sounds like another N. American MMORPG player that is afraid of working hard.
yeah you know us lazy americans......wheres my wife? i need a beer.