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Atmospheric flight going to be introduced with Dust? (Speculation)
tvalentine
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looking over the eve forums, someone linked the atmospheric flight demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pg1dzAvL2M that i havent seen ina while..... Looking at the date of the video it shows it was released in 2006 ...... 3 years ago ..... Dust began development 3 years ago ..... I dunno but i get the feeling were going to be getting alot more then just walking in stations, but atmospheric flight as well ..... any other thoughts?
EDIT: it also explains why they pushed ambulation back ..... could be they wanted to introduce it with/near the release of Dust as well ..... CCP are sneaky bastards 
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Dude this has the potential to be freaking epic.
EvEs space game + WoD Avatar/social system in WiS + Planetary Exploration/FpS/RTS Mechanics with Dust 514.
Holy shit my head is going to explode!!!!!
Yes I can see us bringing our ships into the atmosphere and duking it out.
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What is the connection between EVE atmospheric flight, WIS and console game?
Sonmeone got very wild imagination here...
Like WiS i'm not gonna hold my breathe for it.
Problem is they can show you what they envision for the future of EVE but don't have a way to implement it yet.
just going off the Dust video. In the beginning it starts off inside of a space station looking down on the planet that has the ground combat. Err and i hope you can see the connection between atmospheric flight and ground battles ......
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Ehhh most of us being fans of CCP have faith and believe Dust 514 with be available on PC also.
If Dust is also on PC it will open up eve's planetary exploration and possibly flight.
If Dust is console exclusive it will basically be a little perk in Eve online that will quickly be forgotten and Dust will die on consoles all alone.
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WIS and Cosmos released on their own are silly fluff content but with Dust release, Cosmos is getting new suprising perspective.
Who knows what WIS is tight to?
Some things need their time to cook ;-)
Wow... So much you can figure out from 1 trailer?
You mind to elaborate on your train of thought?
I like the game but I am not very keen to vain fabulations. Too many 'ifs' in your post...
You should stop thinking of Dust as EVE expension which is not. EVE will provide lore and background for Dust but it is still completely different game.
Wow... So much you can figure out from 1 trailer?
You mind to elaborate on your train of thought?
I like the game but I am not very keen to vain fabulations. Too many 'ifs' in your post...
You should stop thinking of Dust as EVE expension which is not. EVE will provide lore and background for Dust but it is still completely different game.
Dust is a bit more as it affects Sovereignty in EVE. Did you watch or read the trailer/articles?
DUST 514 will figure prominently into the CCP Games strategy to revamp EVE Online's system of galactic control, called sovereignty. It was originally discussed in the current issue of EON magazine that planetary control would be an aspect of changing how EVE's player alliances gain control of territory. Apparently, what players can do in DUST 514 will also play a major role in EVE moving forward. Hilmar explained more about how the terrestrial gameplay of DUST 514 will be interconnected with the ship-centric gameplay of EVE Online.
Currently, player alliance sovereignty (regional control) is tied to maintaining numerous player-owned structures across different solar systems to establish a territory as belonging to that alliance, and as shown on the game's star map. Since DUST 514 is set in the same galaxy as the core MMO, with the same planets, EVE players will have the option of contracting DUST (player) mercenaries to gain control of planets.
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
EDIT: for the lazy people, i'll just copy paste what he said in the trailer/presentation.
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Are you lazy to read too?
It is all like I said - EVE will provide background and lore for Dust. That means - EVE and Dust will share the same sovereingty map and universe.
EVE fleet gains control over a system, tag the planet as conquareable and send this information to Dust. Dust will open an instance for battleground. The result of the fight is reported back to EVE.
Nothing more but this principle was revelead.
If you see something more in what he is saying, quote his words otherwise you just make vain, invalid asumptions.
Are you lazy to read too?
It is all like I said - EVE will provide background and lore for Dust. That means - EVE and Dust will share the same sovereingty map and universe.
EVE fleet gains control over a system, tag the planet as conquareable and send this information to Dust. Dust will open an instance for battleground. The result of the fight is reported back to EVE.
Nothing more but this principle was revelead.
If you see something more in what he is saying, quote his words otherwise you just make vain, invalid asumptions.
oh? Did he tell you that personally? The part where Dust goes in after the initial fleet battle to try and take the planet? I dont know when Dust moves onto the planet to fight for sovereignty, noone does besides CCP. Yes eve provides background and lore but it is also affected by Dust, in that if your side wins the planet, it helps in your chances for sovereignty. I cant tell if you're ignoring the fact that Dust has an affect on EVE or if you believe it and just aren't saying it. If Dust affect's EVE's sovereignty, then is it really too far out to speculate that atmospheric flight and air support for Dust troops will happen? I dont know, you dont know, this is what the thread is for. Speculation. But apprently you have the inside story and know people in CCP to confirm this. The presentation was a bit vague, noone even knows if it's going to be for the pc and consoles or just consoles yet. If CCP can develop a game that directly affects EVE in secret for 3 years. I wouldnt be surprised to see something else as equally spectacular come from them with Dust.
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The point is, he did not in ANY way said that sov mechanics will be changed by Dust.
The point is, he did not in ANY way said that sov mechanics will be changed by Dust.
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You can capture systems in low sec through FW and that doesn't have anything to do with 0.0 sov. Saying that it will be possible to capture planets may or may not have anything to do with 0.0. CCP generally expands the game horizontally. Look at the differences between T1, T2 and T3 production, ship design etc.
Plus any good company wouldn't be shocking is customers with completely different products, CCP is talking about dust because it wants to see the community reaction and test the waters before pouring money into an idea.
Heres what CCP did to us from that interview-
CCP: *Gets 2 all white rubix cube, scribbles Dust on one and Eve on the other. and glued them onto each other. *Tosses it to the world*
"We'll get back to you later"
Us: We're scratching our heads and trying to move the rubixcubes pieces with our butt cheeks.
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Ya....pretty much so. just like all the threads about Dust is pretty much this.
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The point is, he did not in ANY way said that sov mechanics will be changed by Dust.
and welcome to the speculation thread! finally glad to see your on the same page with us. This thread is for speculation not "unknown facts". Maybe next time i should capitalize the word Speculation in the thread title so nobody is mistaken next time.
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Next time, then, don't pretend the offsprings of your wild imagination were facts.
There is a difference between speculation and fabulation. You are fabulating only...
It is a fact that there was not said anything how or if sovereingty will be affected by Dust release.
If you want to speculate, do so but you have to bring some facts to start with supported by some train of thoughts.
You 2 care to point out where i was pushing off speculation as fact? In the first posts of speculating. Where did i say "Atmospheric Flight WILL be in EVE Once DUST comes out!"?
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There is a difference between speculation and fabulation. You are fabulating only...
It is a fact that there was not said anything how or if sovereingty will be affected by Dust release.
If you want to speculate, do so but you have to bring some facts to start with supported by some train of thoughts.
lol yeah it does. Whether its FW or 0.0 Dust will affect sovereignty. Lol do i need to go through and link what the CEO said in the presentation again? He says it plain as day aside from most of everything else he has said.
"DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
now how exactly does it not affect EVE if it dictates who controls what planets in EVE, and if it affects the sovereignty control system in EVE?
EDIT: oh and i'm sorry i dont speculate how YOU want me to speculate. I would tell you to quit derailing the topic, but i think its a bit late for that.
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Yes, but can you tell what controlling planet means?
No, you can't since there is no planet control yet. Not even as concept.
Planetary control can be implemented side way to standard sovereingty control, it can be included, it can be independent, it can be added as another layer, it can be in a form of expansion, it can be done in million different ways.
Until there is more revealed about planetary control(which might be released before Dust - scheduled for next year expansion), there is no more to say.
So far there were no information given out to even speculate about Dust affecting EVE.
You are skipping one step ahead, skipping the planetary control itself thus making your assumptions pointless imagination.
Yes, but can you tell what controlling planet means?
No, you can't since there is no planet control yet. Not even as concept.
Planetary control can be implemented side way to standard sovereingty control, it can be included, it can be independent, it can be added as another layer, it can be in a form of expansion, it can be done in million different ways.
Until there is more revealed about planetary control(which might be released before Dust - scheduled for next year expansion), there is no more to say.
So far there were no information given out to even speculate about Dust affecting EVE.
You are skipping one step ahead, skipping the planetary control itself thus making your assumptions pointless imagination.
if planetary control did NOT affect alliances and sovereignty, then what incentive would alliances have on hiring DUST? None whatsoever. If it didnt affect alliances then there would no reason to hire Dust, and Dust would have no meaning behind it whatsoever besides the fact your fighting on planets for no reason except to shoot eachother. The main gimmick behind Dust is that it is a game inside another game (but seperate, if that makes sense to you .... it probably wont) and affects the larger game.
That is what the Speculation is for
Are you even reading the Red and yellow text in my previous post?
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Wrong. This is where you make fundamental mistake(in bold).
I can answer your question easily. It is the answer so many are affraid of:
"I Don't Know"
It is as plain and simple. Nor you, nor me, nor anyone who have seen or been following official information regarding Dust knows.
If you want to start speculating, you have to start with facts:
Shared EVE universe
Console FPS game
Unspecified data streams between two products
Unknown planetary mechnics
To speculate means to find snippets of facts and figuring out relation between them. In this case, you would need more snippets to start a speculation.
Instead, you are twisting the facts to replace their lacking.
I am also excited but the discussion must be reasonable and have some solid ground.
Wrong. This is where you make fundamental mistake(in bold).
I can answer your question easily. It is the answer so many are affraid of:
"I Don't Know"
It is as plain and simple. Nor you, nor me, nor anyone who have seen or been following official information regarding Dust knows.
If you want to start speculating, you have to start with facts:
Shared EVE universe
Console FPS game
Unspecified data streams between two products
Unknown planetary mechnics
To speculate means to find snippets of facts and figuring out relation between them. In this case, you would need more snippets to start a speculation.
Instead, you are twisting the facts to replace their lacking.
I am also excited but the discussion must be reasonable and have some solid ground.
Notice the "IF" at the beginning? And again, if there is no gain for alliances in hiring dust, then there is no reason to spend isk to fund Dust. Just like a combatant buying a hulk. He has no need for it, so why would he buy it? If he were to buy it though and give it to someone who will mine and produce equipment he can use, then he will buy the hulk because it benefits him, otherwise there is no reason for him to do so as he is a combat pilot.
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Yes, I did. I also think I explain it enough.
'IF' ground battles seem pointless with all what you know about them now(which is nothing), does not mean they are pointless.
They only SEEM pointless UNTIL you get more information and/or they will eventualy turn out pointless. For valid conclusion, or speculation made in the process, you need more information.
Yes, I did. I also think I explain it enough.
'IF' ground battles seem pointless with all what you know about them now(which is nothing), does not mean they are pointless.
They only SEEM pointless UNTIL you get more information and/or they will eventualy turn out pointless. For valid conclusion, or speculation made in the process, you need more information.
if they dont affect eve like you say, then it would be pointless, it would just be another FPS. Remember, you were the one who said Dust didnt affect EVE. I am just going off of what you "think". Unless you can come up with a way on how exactly Dust can affect eve without affecting it, giving alliances reason to hire them, your point is a bit moot.
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Ehhh most of us being fans of CCP have faith and believe Dust 514 with be available on PC also.
If Dust is also on PC it will open up eve's planetary exploration and possibly flight.
If Dust is console exclusive it will basically be a little perk in Eve online that will quickly be forgotten and Dust will die on consoles all alone.
Agreed!
I was hoping also that they would tie in ambulation and Dust514 and make it part of the game instead of a separate game. Whe you dock or go down to a planrt you have the option of dismbarking and then going into 1st or 3rd person mode.
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