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TOR...WOW...Is there really contest?
dabrolly
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After brushing up on my SW lingo and watchin Blizzcon I have to say im impressed by both games. Congratulations go out to Blizzard for the new Expansion Coming Soon. But Enough Small Talk, I have to say that TOR will either Beat out or tie with WOW for a Number of reasons.
1. Popularity
Star wars has been out for decades and is now coming out with an MMO that is supposed to represent everything the Star Wars fans dreamed of when they made lightsaber sounds in their rooms while imaginary fighting Darth Vader. Honestly the game will have alot of people on their first few weeks of opening up. True fans will continue playing the game due to the fact that its STAR WARS. There are millions of Star Wars fans, Young and old, who are waiting for the oppourtunity to try out this next generation star wars MMO
World of Warcraft on the other hand has put time and money into commercials, celebrity endorsement, even Articles in magazines to pull players into the World of warcraft. Their marketing straegy is auctually Genius to say the least. BUT, as they attempt to ressurect old classics like Diablo and Starcraft, they will lose a bit of intrest in the WoW world in order to focus on their upcoming project. Layman's terms? The Dead Will Rise, The Live Will Fall. I could be wrong, but it could be dead on.
Advantage: TIE
2. Graphics
In the MMO world, Graphics are a HUGE Issue. Stunning Graphics Draws in players, and correct me if im wrong, but now a days World of Warcraft is falling behind in that category.
The SW:TOR Gameplay video astonished viewers with high-fancy flips and Lightsaber flicking action and the terrain of the MMO was amazing to look at.
WoW on the other hand provides childish cartoony graphics with mondaine fighting that isnt really as good to look at. Which may turn some gamers away from WoW. The same hack and slasher that people only play because its Warcraft.
Advantage: SW: TOR
3. Gameplay
All hands aside. WoW gave you alot of bang for your buck. Intricate Quests, Interesting storylines, and background stories for every race. They have designed a DYNAMIC gameplay strategy and for that i salute them. To keep Millions interested in their product and have them paying X dollars a month to play is beyond amazing. Dedicated Gamers keep their title alive. Without them, it would be nothing.
We dont know what SW: TOR will hold. They could be just as amazing, maybe even better than what WoW has on the Frozen Throne. All we have to rely on is videos and developer commentary. I would have to try it myself before I make a verdict. Myself amoung Millions of others will be waiting to see what they will put on the table.
Advantage: TBA
These upcoming years will be EPIC for the MMO world, Someones bound to put Blizzard in their place. But for now, we wait in the wings and see whats in store for the years to come
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No-one but a child think it's a question of SWTOR vs WoW.
The real question is, is SWTOR going to please not just SW and Bioware fanbois but a broad slice of the traditional MMO market?
Are you honestly comparing a 5 year old game's graphics to a game that isn't even out?
actually i dont think of Knights of the Old Republic when I think of StarWars Hell I dont even think of the last 3 movies they made... I think Vader.. I think Luke and Han and Leah... To bad SOE failed with their Star Wars because it was created in the Best Era of the Star Wars Stories.
I think this is one of the reasons The Star Wars MMO that is upcoming me doesnt interest me that much at all really.
Totally agree. Episode 1 was on cable last night and I watched it for a bit and thought... .meh.
Star Wars is the first three movies, (episodes 4-6) and I'm just not into the early history.
TOR is probably going to be a decent enough game, but its not going to be another WOW.
The IP is actually a bit stale these days, among the younger folks they've really got no interest at all, and if "they" are to be believed, only younger folks play WOW these days.
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I compare the two as an example as why TOR could possibly put a wrench in WoW's Machinary (Correct me if i spelled that wrong)
For its Time. WoW was Graphically Impressive, but I myself love good graphics and TOR impressed me.
Dude, I hope TOR ends up being an awesome game.
I would love to have two extremely good MMOs to play by two kick ass Development studios.
As for this TOR vs WoW I dont really give a shit since I have no problem subbing to two games even if i'm a casual player.
As for your graphics opinion WoW stacks up well against every game except maybe AoC and we could all see what having those level of graphics did to that game.
Playing: WoW, EvE
Interested in: TOR, ER, GW2, WoD, Dust514
It must be the deep hatred I have for Blizzard that gives me urges to assasinate any shill , troll, slave and monky they dispatch on gaming sites.
Actually I think public execution Cuban revolucion style is more in order.
Every time you type the word WOW in your thread title on a non-WoW forum... BOOM.. you end up facing a Cuban firing squad at some cheesy town square.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
For real.
These comparisons are getting old. People making these comparisons ruin any sense of the game being fun for themselves. In the end they are going to disappoint themselves. Then they will follow up with a long dramatic post on what went wrong (for them). Fail to move on, and start mentioning other games that have no true comparison. Endless loop of dumb shit.
what the hell are you looking at ? Wow graphics are bland and dull and very very average. AOC, EQ2, shit Vanguard has better graphicfs then wow. Its personal opinion but if you judge graphics by how real it looks or just how smooth and nice the look is then EQ2 and AOC are the best atm with AOC at the top. Wow on the otherhand is probably top 10 maybe top 6 but no where near AOC level.
Now if you compare wow to other games with that graphic style then its #1 but you cannot compare wow graphics to eq2, aoc, etc etc because them games have totally different styles.
Oh and TOR looks awesome on the videos posted so far , i look foward to its release and giving it a shot.
what the hell are you looking at ? Wow graphics are bland and dull and very very average. AOC, EQ2, shit Vanguard has better graphicfs then wow. Its personal opinion but if you judge graphics by how real it looks or just how smooth and nice the look is then EQ2 and AOC are the best atm with AOC at the top. Wow on the otherhand is probably top 10 maybe top 6 but no where near AOC level.
Now if you compare wow to other games with that graphic style then its #1 but you cannot compare wow graphics to eq2, aoc, etc etc because them games have totally different styles.
Oh and TOR looks awesome on the videos posted so far , i look foward to its release and giving it a shot.
Looking at some of SWTORs screen shots though, if do a world object count within each area, I'm sure SWTOR will have all those games beat. Not to mention the epic height maps (more of which you will see later).
WOW has pretty decent detail comic style aside, but SWTOR will raise the bar a bit.
1. No contest, Blizzard and WoW will ALWAYS be more popular, and not just in the west. Even if this game came out in 2-3 years, WoW would still dominate the market. TOR could be extremely successful, maybe even more so than any AAA MMO in the last few years, but I think people are delusional if they beleive this game spells doom for WoW.
2. That is your opinion. Almost every one of my friends who currently plays WoW enjoys the visuals, and as a former player I liked them too. Many people like the stylized realism of TOR so far, but a ton are still divided or outright hate it. And if they have no plans on seriously fixing up the character animations, then again it'll be no contest, because Blizzard is king with that in the MMO world.
3. Too many factors here, but we do know TOR will be full of cutscenes and dialogue, while players in WoW are almost always in control of their avatars and can run through quests and content without interacting with NPCs for hours. I really think BioWare are underestimating the amount of people who could care less about lore and dialogue and simply use wiki's to speed through their game. As for combat, well.. from what I've seen, it does indeed look really fun. But I will need to see it in action with high group content or massive PVP.
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Totally agree. Episode 1 was on cable last night and I watched it for a bit and thought... .meh.
Star Wars is the first three movies, (episodes 4-6) and I'm just not into the early history.
TOR is probably going to be a decent enough game, but its not going to be another WOW.
The IP is actually a bit stale these days, among the younger folks they've really got no interest at all, and if "they" are to be believed, only younger folks play WOW these days.
I have to agree that the Star Wars prequels are pretty much garbage. I can watch them occasionally, but I still watch the original trilogy 2-3 times a year. If I do stick on one of the prequels I tend to just scan through the films at 32 speed and just watch the good bits (around 20 mins of TPM, same for AotC, and around 45 mins of RotS)..
However, I must have played through KotOR at least 40 times since it was released in 2003. The story for KotOR was far superior to any of the prequels by a LARGE margin imho and that is the main reason that I am excited about SW:TOR.
BioWare make great story-based games, I have played and enjoyed them all (in fact I'm currently playing through Mass Effect again for about the 12th time). Even if SW:TOR is as single-player focused as some of the trolls on this forum seem to think, it will still keep me entertained for a loong time as I will play each class through 3 times each, once taking the nice guy route, once bad guy route and once middle of the road. I want to experience every possible branch in the storyline. 8 classes, 3 routes each, thats 24 playthroughs and thats before you add on the normal MMORPG content that BioWare say they have in the game alongside storytelling.
As for the whole WoW vs SW:TOR, who cares... I know what my decision would be as I have tried to get into WoW on 3 seperate occasions because I have friends that play, however, I hate it with a passion. I can see why some people like it and it is a very well polished MMO, but I just can't stand the game. The graphics, the artwok, the awful community, the bloody naked dancing Nightelfs and those annoying as hell Gnomes... Arrgghh, the game does my head in!!!
MMORPG History:
Playing - EVE Online.
Played (Retired) - AO, SWG, MxO, WoW, RFO, SoR, CoX, EQ2, GW, L2, Vanguard, LotRO, AoC, TCoS, Aion.
Favourite MMO - Pre-CU SWG, 3 Years, 4 Accounts, 2 Pre-CU Jedi (1 Pre-9).
Awaiting - Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Secret World, Earthrise.
what the hell are you looking at ? Wow graphics are bland and dull and very very average. AOC, EQ2, shit Vanguard has better graphicfs then wow. Its personal opinion but if you judge graphics by how real it looks or just how smooth and nice the look is then EQ2 and AOC are the best atm with AOC at the top. Wow on the otherhand is probably top 10 maybe top 6 but no where near AOC level.
Now if you compare wow to other games with that graphic style then its #1 but you cannot compare wow graphics to eq2, aoc, etc etc because them games have totally different styles.
Oh and TOR looks awesome on the videos posted so far , i look foward to its release and giving it a shot.
TOR follows the same Artistic style, bright vibrant colors, cartoonish character models. Both seem to have great art styles and tbh I'll take a really nice art style over pixels and polygons anyday.
And I'm sorry but WoW looks way better than Lotro, EQ2 and VG don't let your hate blind you. turn the graphics settings up.
Playing: WoW, EvE
Interested in: TOR, ER, GW2, WoD, Dust514
I dont know wether SWTOR will beat WoW.. Although WoW is in decline an upcoming expansion could change that. But the graphics and its simple ugliness is getting to the point its laughable, I mean pac man graphics ftl. Imagine how games look better and better from year after year take ex Far cry and compare it to Crysis, take halo and compare it to Gears of War.
Like UO WoW will be simply too graphicly un-atractive and Il say itl be pretty soon. Sales and Sub rates plumits in asia (which most of the playerbase is belong, not NA/EU) and WoW is slowly strangling itself with each expansion giving less and less people back into the game. With that in mind I could absolutly say SWTOR might maybe beat WoW because by the time its released WoW will be an old dinosaur, hell it already is with a lot stronger competion then what it had when it was delivered.
To add SWTOR looks really fuckin good. It has a good visual UI, good graphics and a dynamic and fast gameplay. Its still in alpha so its hard to say wether itl deliver or just be an overhyped pile of hacked up Yarr yarr binks. But as of what we have seen it has every reason to succeed, like WoW it looks like it has an easy learning curve, good movement system and promotes quests over grind.
Then theres the lore, the words "Star Wars" are like magical enchantments to a game, I mean I cant think of any Star Wars game no matter how bad can be counted as a fiasco. I mean sure there are some bad ones but theres also lots of good ones point is, the lore itself sell... Or should I say name. KOTOR world may not contain any Skywalkers or Giant walking carpets but thats not nessecarily a bad thing. A genre needs to evolve to survive, take Tolkiens LOTRO for ex and see how many books, games and movies are taken from his slightly altered version. Make no mistake, wether this game will be piss or not I reckon the game will sell minimum 2mil copies (AoC sells).
Last of why I believe the game has a good chance to triumph is Bioware and how they have presented this game, their shows and performances have been very well done and has had a huge media coverage. They have basicly the financial muscles needed to really launch this game of the ground, in sense they have a better starting position the Blizzard and their World of Warcraft had before launch.
I must say there are some question marks though, how long will the story content last, will there be an endgame. How will the crafting be like, what kind of PvP can we expect, can we expect lots of solo content or more group based. Is there raid size instances among many other things.
A good game will sell itself whilst a bad game will sooner then later get a bad reputation and with it mixed reviews so in order for Bioware to Succeed they need to make sure they dont follow Funcom and guard their reputation, a really interesting topic though.
Well said PapaB34R. All though I kinda disagree with the graphics really denting WoW player base (most of the graphics whores moved to AoC). There expansions of mind numbing repetitive Instances/pvp will.
Meh. Until asian players stop playing and move to something else, wow will always dominate the market.
Anyways, to each their own really.
I just can't understand how people can be jumping all over themselves to redo onyxia, Ragnaros, blackrock mountain, etc, etc, and have the old world redone. Repackaging the same thing <.<. People are eating it up....
Most of the people jumpin for joy started playing begining of TBC. If you notice most of the players making quit threads list they have been playing since alpha, beta, release and so on. To me it's more then the recycling of things that should die. It's also the constant Ups and downs Blizz keeps doing.
Seriously? You can say with a straight face that WoW has better graphics than LotRO? You are confusing art direction with graphics, you may prefer the cartoon art look that WoW provides (it is well done) but no way is it graphically better than LotRO. Heck, Guild Wars looks a lot better than WoW.
Seriously? You can say with a straight face that WoW has better graphics than LotRO? You are confusing art direction with graphics, you may prefer the cartoon art look that WoW provides (it is well done) but no way is it graphically better than LotRO. Heck, Guild Wars looks a lot better than WoW.
Of course I can say WoW looks better than Lotro. Who gives a shit about poly counts, im talking artistic style and flair shit that keeps a game looking nice for years. Games like EQ2 and VG have horrible plastic like characters models with terrible animations. WoW has alot of style,great animations and spell effects. Everything is nice a clean in WoW.
The environments look freaking awesome in WoW, I personally don't need a realistic gameworld just one that flows together nicely. One for my favorite things about TOR atm is its awesome artistic style. A game like TOR will look awesome alot longer than a game like AoC will since realistic graphics age worse than stylized ones do.
Lotro, EQ2 and VG messed up. they have this odd mix of realistic and stylized graphics that just seem off to me.
Edit: I would like to add that i'm not a graphics designer or anything when I say graphics I'm talking about what I see on my PC screen from the gameworld to my character to animations to UI and how they blend together and right now WoW is one of the best at that.
Playing: WoW, EvE
Interested in: TOR, ER, GW2, WoD, Dust514
It is only a contest when people make it one.
I don't think anything else need to be said about this topic.
Are you Zorndorfs brother?
I don't think I've ever seen someone who says WoW looks better than Lotro. To each their own I guess.
Are you Zorndorfs brother?
I don't think I've ever seen someone who says WoW looks better than Lotro. To each their own I guess.
Dude homeboy has LOTRO on his CRAP list, obviously his tastes in MMO's are a bit skewed.
Are you Zorndorfs brother?
I don't think I've ever seen someone who says WoW looks better than Lotro. To each their own I guess.
To each his own is right...Saying WoW looks better than LOTRO is like saying Pac Man looked better than LoZ
I Totally agree with the fact the WoWs UI and BG animations blend well. But IF you have a higher end PC/MAC and turn ur Graphics up on LOTRO Then the Graphics Blend together to give you a real Middle Earth Feel. I was a LOTRO Soldier since Beta, and its the best MMO ive played
Are you Zorndorfs brother?
I don't think I've ever seen someone who says WoW looks better than Lotro. To each their own I guess.
To each his own is right...Saying WoW looks better than LOTRO is like saying Pac Man looked better than LoZ
I Totally agree with the fact the WoWs UI and BG animations blend well. But IF you have a higher end PC/MAC and turn ur Graphics up on LOTRO Then the Graphics Blend together to give you a real Middle Earth Feel. I was a LOTRO Soldier since Beta, and its the best MMO ive played
I have to agree, I think it's perfectly acceptable for someone to say that the art design of WoW is more to his liking. I easily know several people who prefer the artistic style of some 20th century artists such as pollack over any of the Dutch Masters. Yet the level of technique utilized in say, a Rembrandt, is far higher.
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