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Did you EVER like WoW? Why AION appeals to me so much more.

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  • TekkinTekkin Member Posts: 27
    Originally posted by IceAge

    Originally posted by MMO_Doubter


    Good post, OP, but I see no reason to think Aion will be much better. Warhammer was the chance for us PvP fans. I refuse to grind through PvE to 'earn' the chance to PvP.
     
    What IS Aion's end game like, anyway?

     

    You are an ignorant kid, aren't you? I gave you links with Aion end game from players who have reached the max lvl and are enjoying the end game. I told you to FGI ( fucking google it ) if you want to know more about it.

    But in the end, if you really want to know what Aion end game is, FPI ( fucking play it )!



     

    Whether your not you are right IceAge... flaming just starts flame wars and ruins a perfectly good thread. he is kind of ignorant though because I full explained to him what I think of Aion end game... but apparently he decided to only read the first sentance of that post and responded with "I asked about aion not lineage" when in fact I was just using it as an example.

  • DarkogieDarkogie Member Posts: 81
    Originally posted by googajoob7


    Warcraft was an amazing game when it was first released and to some degree it still is now but for me its time to have a break from it or maybe even quit . For three reasons really
    1 the community in warcraft is pretty childish these days . most of my old friends have left so the atmospheres gone to some degree
    2 i find the gameplay far too easy now . i m not saying thats bad but i want more of a challenge
    3 the boredom factor of going over the same old ground again and again .
    The way i felt in the Aion beta was the way i felt in the Warcraft beta all those years ago . Its fresh and exciting . Cant wait .



     

    I couldn't have said it better myself. Playing the Aion beta gave me the same feeling when I beta'd WoW...that it was going to be exciting, fun, and special. I'd like to add ur list....



    4) Horrible game players. They're DPS numbers and awareness suck. Funny thing is these people think they are good.



    WoW wasnt my first MMO. My first MMO as WW2online. The MMO I mostly played till I left for WoW was Anarchy Online. AO was a great game with an awesome community.

  • TekkinTekkin Member Posts: 27
    Originally posted by maji



    I'm curious about the "shallowness" of these games. Care to elaborate?

    According to my experiences and impressions, they do neither require much thought nor strategic thinking (or any kind of thinking in general). You have your basic rotations for PvE and a rock-paper-scissor thingy for PvP, and there you go. You need to be able to react every now and then, and that's it. In group situations, the most difficult thing is to make sure that your teammates at least try to play the game, and not simply watch TV and push a single button every 10 minutes. And in most MMORPGs, single player PvE is a joke in matters of difficulty, because the companies don't want to scare off the players.



    Fine by me if you don't want to group with other people while questing... but I play MMORPGs for the social factor... i mean come on its the entire point of an MMORPG. Why should I level slower while grouping with my friend than some lone wolf who levels SOLO. I played WoW too... I KNOW its primarily a solo game and unfairly biased towards solo players.

    The problem with that is following: if you team up to level with people, then you first have to find a common starting point, where you have about the same quests, level and whatnot. And then you have to make sure that you play the game for the same amount of time, so that you keep around the same level range and can do the same quests together. And that is for most people tedious, since they want to be able to play whenever they feel like it, and not only when their buddy is online as well. So most people level up alone and only group up every now and then.

    Endgame content is different of course (well, even though you haven can/have to grind there a lot as well by yourself).

     

    See this is where YOU are wrong, WoW FORCES you into Soloing by making the quests to restrictive as far as quest sharing goes, I'm not talking about a lvl18 leveling with a lvl13 but its fair to ask that players within 2-3 levels should be able to level together just as fast or faster than a solo player. 



    I do have to say one thing though. WOW was a brilliant game for how it went about the leveling and progressing experience... it fix what needed to fixed for a long time in MMO's.... the GRIND! The only reason I ever felt like I was grinding in "WOW" was because I literally couldn't see anything to look forward too. If you combined the Leveling with WoW along with the graphics and end game of lineage 2, you would have my IDEAL game, and now that game exists... its called AION.

     

  • SoulSurferSoulSurfer Member UncommonPosts: 1,024

    @ Tekkin:  have my babies?

    reason #3 gave me a nice lol

    But as for WoW not being your first mmo, I am in the same boat and agree with a lot of your thoughts.

    I also avoided this game like the plague!!! Gamers whose first game was WoW or still is, I feel sorry for you.

     

  • SoulSurferSoulSurfer Member UncommonPosts: 1,024
    Originally posted by Kilmar


    No, all cool kids like wow, because its the game played most, so its cool to play it too )



     

    negative ghostrider.

  • MMO_DoubterMMO_Doubter Member Posts: 5,056
    Originally posted by IceAge


     
    You are an ignorant kid, aren't you? I gave you links with Aion end game from players who have reached the max lvl and are enjoying the end game. I told you to FGI ( fucking google it ) if you want to know more about it.
    But in the end, if you really want to know what Aion end game is, FPI ( fucking play it )!

    What links might those be?

    If you personally don't know, then admit it. IF you do know, then tell me what it's like. Without resorting to childish name-calling.

    I have NO intention of spending months and money getting to end game, just to find that I don't like it. FPI? Fucking pay my sub fee, THEN I'll play it long enough to find out if it's good - or shit.

    "" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2

  • googajoob7googajoob7 Member Posts: 866
    Originally posted by SoulSurfer

    Originally posted by Kilmar


    No, all cool kids like wow, because its the game played most, so its cool to play it too )



     

    negative ghostrider.



     

    i honestly hope all the kids do stay in wow .dont you ?

  • twiggy550twiggy550 Member UncommonPosts: 492
    Originally posted by Darkogie

    Originally posted by googajoob7


    Warcraft was an amazing game when it was first released and to some degree it still is now but for me its time to have a break from it or maybe even quit . For three reasons really
    1 the community in warcraft is pretty childish these days . most of my old friends have left so the atmospheres gone to some degree
    2 i find the gameplay far too easy now . i m not saying thats bad but i want more of a challenge
    3 the boredom factor of going over the same old ground again and again .
    The way i felt in the Aion beta was the way i felt in the Warcraft beta all those years ago . Its fresh and exciting . Cant wait .



     

    I couldn't have said it better myself. Playing the Aion beta gave me the same feeling when I beta'd WoW...that it was going to be exciting, fun, and special. I'd like to add ur list....



    4) Horrible game players. They're DPS numbers and awareness suck. Funny thing is these people think they are good.



    WoW wasnt my first MMO. My first MMO as WW2online. The MMO I mostly played till I left for WoW was Anarchy Online. AO was a great game with an awesome community.

    Anarchy Online.... Their keyboard control scheme be damned. Absolutely terrible (the controls), though I did like the game.

    "IRL is a pretty upstanding MMO with thousands of classes, a lot of PvP and even some pretty unique emotes and titles you can acquire. Explore that world first, then we'll talk about this virtual one."

  • MMO_DoubterMMO_Doubter Member Posts: 5,056
    Originally posted by Tekkin


    I do have to say one thing though. WOW was a brilliant game for how it went about the leveling and progressing experience... it fix what needed to fixed for a long time in MMO's.... the GRIND! The only reason I ever felt like I was grinding in "WOW" was because I literally couldn't see anything to look forward too. If you combined the Leveling with WoW along with the graphics and end game of lineage 2, you would have my IDEAL game, and now that game exists... its called AION.

     

    Dunno, man. Leveling your second or third character on the same side looks like it will be very boring with only one start area per side.

    "" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2

  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

    Originally posted by IceAge


     
    You are an ignorant kid, aren't you? I gave you links with Aion end game from players who have reached the max lvl and are enjoying the end game. I told you to FGI ( fucking google it ) if you want to know more about it.
    But in the end, if you really want to know what Aion end game is, FPI ( fucking play it )!

    What links might those be?

    If you personally don't know, then admit it. IF you do know, then tell me what it's like. Without resorting to childish name-calling.

    I have NO intention of spending months and money getting to end game, just to find that I don't like it. FPI? Fucking pay my sub fee, THEN I'll play it long enough to find out if it's good - or shit.

     

    If you are not FUCKING interested in Aion, then why the hell are you here? You are QQ alot, in Aion forums, but why? You don't want to do some researches, you don't want to pay to play it , so in the end, fuck off.

    Go play your beloved WAR game and let us enjoy Aion.

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  • MrPhireMrPhire Member Posts: 212

    Someone's cranky :P. I must agree though. I see no purpose in to replying to any comment that you honestly don't care about. It is funny to see IceAge get angry though :P.

    Playing: Guild Wars and Exteel
    Loved: WoW, Guild Wars, FFXI, and Lineage 2
    Liked: Exteel, WAR, and Lineage 1
    Hated:City of Heroes, City of Villians, Matrix Online, Runescape, and D&D Online.
    Waiting For: Aion, Guild Wars 2, FFXIV, and SW:TOR

  • twiggy550twiggy550 Member UncommonPosts: 492

     
    If you are not FUCKING interested in Aion, then why the hell are you here? You are QQ alot, in Aion forums, but why? You don't want to do some researches, you don't want to pay to play it , so in the end, fuck off.
    Go play your beloved WAR game and let us enjoy Aion.

    Did you ever take a class on sentence structuring? I ask because it sucks ass. He can do all the research he wants, but I'm pretty sure he wants gamer experience from people who got to play the beta. In the end he's skeptical of the game and would like to have his doubts put to rest but what would you know, He is "QQ alot" according to you.

    By the way, that sentence makes no sense either.

    "IRL is a pretty upstanding MMO with thousands of classes, a lot of PvP and even some pretty unique emotes and titles you can acquire. Explore that world first, then we'll talk about this virtual one."

  • EbenEben Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 522
    Originally posted by twiggy550


     
    If you are not FUCKING interested in Aion, then why the hell are you here? You are QQ alot, in Aion forums, but why? You don't want to do some researches, you don't want to pay to play it , so in the end, fuck off.
    Go play your beloved WAR game and let us enjoy Aion.

    Did you ever take a class on sentence structuring? I ask because it sucks ass. He can do all the research he wants, but I'm pretty sure he wants gamer experience from people who got to play the beta. In the end he's skeptical of the game and would like to have his doubts put to rest but what would you know, He is "QQ alot" according to you.

    By the way, that sentence makes no sense either.



     

    There is an abundance of information available about Aion.  Seeing and answering the same questions, over and over, gets old.  Especially when the person asking the question apparently will not be satisfied with any answer he or she gets.  In the end, it boils down to; will that person try the game, or won't they.  Gamer experience is completely subjective. 

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  • TekkinTekkin Member Posts: 27
    Originally posted by twiggy550


     
    If you are not FUCKING interested in Aion, then why the hell are you here? You are QQ alot, in Aion forums, but why? You don't want to do some researches, you don't want to pay to play it , so in the end, fuck off.
    Go play your beloved WAR game and let us enjoy Aion.

    Did you ever take a class on sentence structuring? I ask because it sucks ass. He can do all the research he wants, but I'm pretty sure he wants gamer experience from people who got to play the beta. In the end he's skeptical of the game and would like to have his doubts put to rest but what would you know, He is "QQ alot" according to you.

    By the way, that sentence makes no sense either.



     

    I agree here, the dude just wanted to know what end game was like from a experience players perspective... Unfortunately I tried to give him an explanation of the basic Idea of aion end-game... but he didn't even read my post properly. But yah no need for the internet rage.

  • ShorunShorun Member UncommonPosts: 247
    Originally posted by Tekkin


    For those who are thinking "tl;dr" I'll sum this post up by saying Aion appeals to me for these 3 reasons:



    1. PVP Factor - PVP in WoW felt like an afterthought, although I enjoy raiding and it is an essential part of end-game content... for me its just a bonus. The real thrill is PVP. I've mainly played lineage 1, lineage 2, EVE online, and Planetside. All these games have something in common... they are PVP Orientated! I have zero interest in "PHAT LEWT" or "SLAYING DA DRAGON". I enjoy raiding... but NOT as the primary end game content! PVP in WoW felt like an afterthought.
    I totally agree. But if you don't have that much time, bgs can be funny.



    2. (Hopefully) Group factor - It seems AION won't punish you like WoW does for grouping with other players, its quite possible it might actually be beneficial to PLAY WITH OTHER PEOPLE! This is a big one for me... When I played 1-77 in WoW (Yah I quit at 77) I never once grouped with other players, you know why? Because every time I tried it slowed my leveling down HUGE, leveling was boring enough without it taking twice as long. Seriously I think its pathetic how anti-social people are when playing MMO's... which is why the developers are forced to cater to you social rejects who are afraid of interacting with other people even on the internet.
    I also agree, but it wasn't like it all the time. WOTLK really made groups unnecessary, while in BC and Classic groups were much more needed.



    3. Graphics - WoW graphics made me sick from the very beginning, I read on the WoW forums people dissing Aion graphics... SERIOUSLY... WOW PLAYERS DISSING AION GRAPHICS... boggles my mind. No need to explain this any further.


    WoW Graphics are great, they can express funny cartoon things like wooden Goblin-Planes as much as serious things like Arthas. They are great for an online game, where everything is possible. Just imagine a crazy gnome with pink hair using a submachinegun in a medieval setting with the graphics of Aion. WoW graphics are great for WoW. But for such an "unfunny" and serious game like Aion, they'd be wrong. But in fact, I rather spend my time online in a funny, weird, cartoonish world, than in a boring, exigent world.



    I'd like to hear some stories from people about their first experience with WoW... and why it never caught on for them. Also why or why not AION Appeals to them.
    It caught me. And AION doesn't appeal to me, because it hasn't got the same authenticy, the world isn't interesting and the gameplay is the same in WoW. Nobody could bring me to read the AION storyline.



        This is mine.... My roommate suggests we buy WoW (this was 4-5 months before WotLK Release), so I say F*ck it lets play WoW (I had been avoiding the game since release). The first 2 months I had the game I could barely get myself to play it... I'd been there and DONE THAT... 2 feet away from me my roomate can't put the game down. Why? The dudes never even played an MMO before, or an RPG for that matter. WoW brought MMO's to the masses... william shatner, ozzie osbourne (seriously?)... but the reality is, theres nothing unique about WoW. I never hit level 80, I simply quit at level 77... because I realised the game felt like a chore for me, nothing pulling me along.
    WAIT! Ozzy rules.



     WoW was a game for the masses who had never heard of an MMO before... does anyone know what I mean? how many people can say WoW was their first MMO.. that is why WoW was so successful. Its blizzard... how many fans did they already have... how many kids knew what an MMO was before blizzard was developing one.
    I played many MMOs before. But WoW made them really playable and funny.



     

    Just my opinion.

  • DarkogieDarkogie Member Posts: 81
     

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  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    Originally posted by twiggy550


     
    If you are not FUCKING interested in Aion, then why the hell are you here? You are QQ alot, in Aion forums, but why? You don't want to do some researches, you don't want to pay to play it , so in the end, fuck off.
    Go play your beloved WAR game and let us enjoy Aion.

    Did you ever take a class on sentence structuring? I ask because it sucks ass. He can do all the research he wants, but I'm pretty sure he wants gamer experience from people who got to play the beta. In the end he's skeptical of the game and would like to have his doubts put to rest but what would you know, He is "QQ alot" according to you.

    By the way, that sentence makes no sense either.

     

    Yes, while I used some words which don't come out from my mouth often, you just stated your opinion base only for the last reply of me. I know that guy OFTEN, and i mean VERY OFTEN asks the same questions over and over again, and while other have giving him alot of infos about Aion endgame , he just seems to be "blind" and keeping asking the same questions again.

    No offense, in many cases I do inform players with infos I got about Aion, but when you see someone who is not even interested in Aion but keep flooding the forum with questions who has been asked and answered many times, then you get a little nervous about that person.

    In the end, he will not be playing Aion so either way, he will soon leave the forums. So this will be my last reply to him.

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  • MMO_DoubterMMO_Doubter Member Posts: 5,056
    Originally posted by Tekkin
     
    I've played chinese version to end game... I KNOW it is significantly different. And thats the chinese version... the NA 1.5 version on release will be another HUGE improvement.

     

    Good to know that someone posting about how Aion is has actually played end game. It sounds pretty good.

    Now I'm going to ask if you have played the 1.5 patch version. If not, then you don't know that it will be a HUGE improvement.

    As for IceAge, don't bother replying  to me. You have been blocked. If I wanted to argue with children, I'd be a teacher.

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  • EthianEthian Member Posts: 1,216

    Seriously people, why is every game compared to WoW?  *sigh*

    I don't even bother reading these craptastic posts anymore.  And no I'm not WoW hater, I played it on and off for 2 years. Can a grip folks...

    Who cares which is better then the other! How does it effect you in any way....Focus your energy on something more productive maybe? Like real life LOL

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  • sofbertsofbert Member UncommonPosts: 52
    Originally posted by Tekkin


    For those who are thinking "tl;dr" I'll sum this post up by saying Aion appeals to me for these 3 reasons:



    1. PVP Factor - PVP in WoW felt like an afterthought, although I enjoy raiding and it is an essential part of end-game content... for me its just a bonus. The real thrill is PVP. I've mainly played lineage 1, lineage 2, EVE online, and Planetside. All these games have something in common... they are PVP Orientated! I have zero interest in "PHAT LEWT" or "SLAYING DA DRAGON". I enjoy raiding... but NOT as the primary end game content! PVP in WoW felt like an afterthought.
    I'm very much looking forward to PVP in Aion. WoW's pvp always felt incredibly unorganized, no goals, and the cheapest PVP experience i've ever had. Because of it I was hesitant to try pvp anywhere else until I tried Warhammer. I actually enjoyed the pvp there since it felt more team-oriented, you got exp, you did repeatable quests (which rewarded exp) it felt like I actually got something out of pvp instead of giant headaches(WoW). Aion looks very similar to Warhammer's style  where there's actually goals and rewards, plus very extensive teamwork will be required.




    2. (Hopefully) Group factor - It seems AION won't punish you like WoW does for grouping with other players, its quite possible it might actually be beneficial to PLAY WITH OTHER PEOPLE! This is a big one for me... When I played 1-77 in WoW (Yah I quit at 77) I never once grouped with other players, you know why? Because every time I tried it slowed my leveling down HUGE, leveling was boring enough without it taking twice as long. Seriously I think its pathetic how anti-social people are when playing MMO's... which is why the developers are forced to cater to you social rejects who are afraid of interacting with other people even on the internet.
     
    Yeah again this is PVP grouping since you can supposedly level in the Abyss more efficiently than not, if you have a group to do it with.



    3. Graphics - WoW graphics made me sick from the very beginning, I read on the WoW forums people dissing Aion graphics... SERIOUSLY... WOW PLAYERS DISSING AION GRAPHICS... boggles my mind. No need to explain this any further.
    This.. I don't really understand but I do like both graphics. I consider Aion ShinyWoW+Wingz but I am in love with Aion's style and how sexy the endgame and dyed armors look.



    I'd like to hear some stories from people about their first experience with WoW... and why it never caught on for them. Also why or why not AION Appeals to them.



    I got bored of the initial grind of WoW and quit around ~42, but then came back for TBC and did a lot of endgame raiding for that. One thing WoW has for me over Aion at this point is the background lore of the Warcraft series. I know the characters and NPC's in WoW so much moreso than any other MMO i've played (moogles in FFXI don't count). For that reason I will be playing WoW again probably for a limited time, when Cataclysm comes out because of the lore behind Deathwing, behind Azshara and the Naga..  and to see how they change the world. I can only hope that Aion chooses to take liberty and 'mess' with the world like that to shake things up a bit sometime in the future, because it does make us want to look back a little at older areas that we might never revisit otherwise.

     

  • TekkinTekkin Member Posts: 27
    Originally posted by Ethian


    Seriously people, why is every game compared to WoW?  *sigh*
    I don't even bother reading these craptastic posts anymore.  And no I'm not WoW hater, I played it on and off for 2 years. Can a grip folks...
    Who cares which is better then the other! How does it effect you in any way....Focus your energy on something more productive maybe? Like real life LOL



     

     

    I'm tired of people saying THIS... we compare it to WoW because WoW is the most successful MMO to date, because WoW is probably the best MMO ever made to date (I mean it is, anyone with half a mind can admit that).

     

    I do have to agree with the Lore aspect of WoW.... Blizzard can tell a damn good story. (Diablo series <3)



    And okay I admit while WoW doesn't have my ideal graphics.... they are unique and not necessarily ugly, but damn i just hated how my characters armour always looked mismatched and ugly.

  • MMO_DoubterMMO_Doubter Member Posts: 5,056
    Originally posted by sofbert


    I'm very much looking forward to PVP in Aion. WoW's pvp always felt incredibly unorganized, no goals, and the cheapest PVP experience i've ever had. Because of it I was hesitant to try pvp anywhere else until I tried Warhammer. I actually enjoyed the pvp there since it felt more team-oriented, you got exp, you did repeatable quests (which rewarded exp) it felt like I actually got something out of pvp instead of giant headaches(WoW). Aion looks very similar to Warhammer's style  where there's actually goals and rewards, plus very extensive teamwork will be required.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that PvP does NOT give xp in Aion. Which means we still have to level up from PvE (which was a big flaw in WoW's PvP until recently).

    I don't want to have to PvE to level.

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  • Tenken29Tenken29 Member Posts: 151
    Originally posted by maji



    2. Group factor

    In WoW you frequently group up with other players to do group quests or tackle dungeons. Grouping up for single player stuff doesn't make much sense. No idea why anyone should do that either, and it was this way for any MMORPG I played.




     



     

    In WoW you generally solo your way to cap lvl, which I find pretty silly. Sure the option is great, but it is kind of funny when leveling in a group is slower than soloing. I guess that's what recruit a friend is for o.o.

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  • bleyzwunbleyzwun Member UncommonPosts: 1,087

    I can honestly say that I had the most fun in WoW than in any other MMO.  My first was FFXI and I never bothered with Balista battles.  My friends got me to play WoW, and I wasn't really impressed.  What kept me playing was the PvP.  It might not have been the best, but it was my first experience with PvP in a MMO. 

    In my opinion, WoW wasn't a bad game. It did many things right that most new games haven't done. For one, it had the smoothest gameplay of any MMO. Nobody can deny that! The graphics weren't great, but Blizzard knows how to make environments look really good, and how to create the right atmosphere. They also made sure casual players could somewhat enjoy the game (good because some of my RL friends are casual and I want them to have fun).

    What made me lose interest in the game was the nonstop grind.  Every time I would get a whole set, a new one would come out.  Sorry, but I want to be able to enjoy my new gear for a bit longer.  Another thing that annoyed me was the lack of PvP content.  New PvP gear, or new ways to get gear shouldn't be what keeps people playing.  1 BG per expansion is unacceptable. Also, every World PvP objective was pretty horrible (at the time), aside from Nagrand, which was decent. 

    My biggest problem with WoW was definitely the fact that everything revolves around gear.  Most people don't bother with anything unless gear is involved.  That's not what a MMORPG should be about (imo). 

    I'm not sure if Aion will follow WoW's "gear is everything" style, but I love the art style (big anime/manga fan).  I also like how you have to utilize every skill you have.  There hasn't been a time, aside from the first few levels, where I spammed one skill until a mob died.  Also, the animations are the best I've seen, yet.  They really help you to enjoy the game that much more.  The main reason I will play Aion, is because it's focused on PvP (and from what I hear, no lag, to minimal lag). 

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