Where have you gotten clasified infos about how many people tried and how many people left free trials and winback program?
OMFG pay ATTENTION.
Alexa.com reports the spike during the free trials of hits to the website, it was up about 30% from the average, now at pre-trial levels.
Xfire reports the spike in player hours and in number of hours total played. Went up during the trials, now down, at an all time low.
Funcom's quarterly report, projects declining revenues. They aren't expanding their capital they are losing subscriptions, that is what an MMO is designed to generate, revenue from subscribers. When revenue falls it is directly related to falling subscriptions. Of course if the fucking subscriptions were up, both Xfire numbers, as well as hits on the website would be up, which they are not! Not only that but Funcom would be reporting even the smallest victories that could be seen as victories. 1:2, 1:3, 1:5 players trying the trial, continuing to subscribe.
Fact is that number was polled by me during the free trial while I was paying for the game, and it appeared to be more like 1:20. Numbers like 1:20 or 5% subscribing after trying the game for free, well that is just downright pathetic. Suppose there were 100k subscribing before the trials and another 100k actually did the trial download, which has been reported, less than 10% were re-subbed after trial which is very close to what I found via polling daily during the trial.
The reasons are clear as day to someone who doesn't have a strong bias one way or the other. The game hasn't added value that players want. So they don't pay for things they don't want. Duh. The information is out there, the writitng is on the wall. AOC is fucking DOOMED!
Where have you gotten clasified infos about how many people tried and how many people left free trials and winback program?
OMFG pay ATTENTION.
Alexa.com reports the spike during the free trials of hits to the website, it was up about 30% from the average, now at pre-trial levels.
Xfire reports the spike in player hours and in number of hours total played. Went up during the trials, now down, at an all time low.
Funcom's quarterly report, projects declining revenues. They aren't expanding their capital they are losing subscriptions, that is what an MMO is designed to generate, revenue from subscribers. When revenue falls it is directly related to falling subscriptions. Of course if the fucking subscriptions were up, both Xfire numbers, as well as hits on the website would be up, which they are not! Not only that but Funcom would be reporting even the smallest victories that could be seen as victories. 1:2, 1:3, 1:5 players trying the trial, continuing to subscribe.
Fact is that number was polled by me during the free trial while I was paying for the game, and it appeared to be more like 1:20. Numbers like 1:20 or 5% subscribing after trying the game for free, well that is just downright pathetic. Suppose there were 100k subscribing before the trials and another 100k actually did the trial download, which has been reported, less than 10% were re-subbed after trial which is very close to what I found via polling daily during the trial.
The reasons are clear as day to someone who doesn't have a strong bias one way or the other. The game hasn't added value that players want. So they don't pay for things they don't want. Duh. The information is out there, the writitng is on the wall. AOC is fucking DOOMED!
1. Alexa : interesting, but aren't you the one explaining how inaccurate and wrong it is?
2. Xfire: broken totally. Game does not track dx10 players, dx9 players reporting it is not tracking ...
3. Winbacks are not included in this quarter, as for free trials - when did they start?
4. Numbers polled by you. which forum? this one? if yes that is total and utter failure ...
5. I am not saying that game is not doomed. Probably it is, if they don't pull the 180 with expansion and 1.06-07. But please ... those proves you guys provide are non scientifical - it is the same as saying god exists using 3rd party thing (the Bible)
Get your head straight. You 2 haven't proven nothing. Game is dying ... but your numbers are HUGE guesses with nothing else but 2 geeks that hate funcom (read my comment on that in other topic) making up "facts". Read a book on argument or something
Where have you gotten clasified infos about how many people tried and how many people left free trials and winback program?
OMFG pay ATTENTION.
Alexa.com reports the spike during the free trials of hits to the website, it was up about 30% from the average, now at pre-trial levels.
Xfire reports the spike in player hours and in number of hours total played. Went up during the trials, now down, at an all time low.
Funcom's quarterly report, projects declining revenues. They aren't expanding their capital they are losing subscriptions, that is what an MMO is designed to generate, revenue from subscribers. When revenue falls it is directly related to falling subscriptions. Of course if the fucking subscriptions were up, both Xfire numbers, as well as hits on the website would be up, which they are not! Not only that but Funcom would be reporting even the smallest victories that could be seen as victories. 1:2, 1:3, 1:5 players trying the trial, continuing to subscribe.
Fact is that number was polled by me during the free trial while I was paying for the game, and it appeared to be more like 1:20. Numbers like 1:20 or 5% subscribing after trying the game for free, well that is just downright pathetic. Suppose there were 100k subscribing before the trials and another 100k actually did the trial download, which has been reported, less than 10% were re-subbed after trial which is very close to what I found via polling daily during the trial.
The reasons are clear as day to someone who doesn't have a strong bias one way or the other. The game hasn't added value that players want. So they don't pay for things they don't want. Duh. The information is out there, the writitng is on the wall. AOC is fucking DOOMED!
1. Alexa : interesting, but aren't you the one explaining how inaccurate and wrong it is?
2. Xfire: broken totally. Game does not track dx10 players, dx9 players reporting it is not tracking ...
3. Winbacks are not included in this quarter, as for free trials - when did they start?
4. Numbers polled by you. which forum? this one? if yes that is total and utter failure ...
5. I am not saying that game is not doomed. Probably it is, if they don't pull the 180 with expansion and 1.06-07. But please ... those proves you guys provide are non scientifical - it is the same as saying god exists using 3rd party thing (the Bible)
Get your head straight. You 2 haven't proven nothing. Game is dying ... but your numbers are HUGE guesses with nothing else but 2 geeks that hate funcom (read my comment on that in other topic) making up "facts". Read a book on argument or something
Alexa is one of the more accurate measuring tools of tracking websites. It showed a pretty substantial hit jump on ageofconan.com during the trials. That hit jump amounted to what was the baseline for the previous 4-6 months + 30%, after the trials were over, had there been an increase of subscriptions one would expect that baseline to be higher than it was before the trials. However it isn't. It is basically the same and somewhat lower but only a few %. So we'll just say it was as if the trials didn't occur.
2. Xfire isn't broken just because you say so. Its accurate in AOC like it is accurate in every other program and Funcom was using it to brag about how AOC players were playing more. Now with play time at an all time low and ranked 50th its showing that winbacks didn't winback the majority of those who tried the. Listen, we wouldn't be talking about how AOC is a total failure if it was a smashing success here ok.
3. Winbacks haven't won any substantial number of the 1.1 milliong purchasers of the game who don't play today back. Case closed.
4. Numbers polled by me during my conversations with players. I talked to a bunch of players. I identified 54 who were free-trial players, of those WHEN ASKED only 3 told me they were going to re-sub and stick with AOC. The overwhelming consensus of the free-trials was that AOC still had a lot to get fixed and that the devs needed to make a much better showing. There was no knock your sox off moment for players coming back. Same show as before only stable.
5. Game is Doomed sir. The numbers are statistically sound. Every measurable in AOC is showing consistent steady declines, including the own fucking metrics from Funcom. Hello? Hello? Reading me 5x5? One would think if the company was actually interested in improving their product and rep that they would be pouring all hands on deck into pimping AOC not working on mutiple projects at once with more priority than AOC and an expansion but they've written off AOC which is why you and everybody else should too.
Winbacks will be reported next quarter, which Funcom themselves estimates to be around 10% lower revenues than this quarter. You know it is bad when the Norway government is bailing Funcom out: The Company was awarded around 240 TUSD in
funding from the Norwegian Film Fund for the
development of its Java based free-to-play MMO.
This game reached its game-play beta stage in
August.
About DX 10 which was put on my AoC Box...is it out of Beta testing on live servers yet?
You can run DX10 on live. I get about 50% performance hit on it vs DX9. If that sounds like its worth it to you great. Its hit or miss, most players with GTX series cards seem to stick with DX10, others report problems. Is it a major selling point over DX9 not really. Game looks great in DX9 but yeah DX10 does notch up a bit. Still wont give your voice overs or make your bank bigger, or help your guild tax, or make your sieges stable. But oh well. Got to get DX10 out cause it was on the fucking box.
2. Xfire isn't broken just because you say so. Its accurate in AOC like it is accurate in every other program and Funcom was using it to brag about how AOC players were playing more. Now with play time at an all time low and ranked 50th its showing that winbacks didn't winback the majority of those who tried the. Listen, we wouldn't be talking about how AOC is a total failure if it was a smashing success here ok.
www.xfire.com/xf/modules.phphttp://www.xfire.com/xf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=234422 if the hyper link doesnt work um seems the vaunted x fire ( which i have ben trying ) has had problems wiht aoc for a good while .as their site admin says "Our original plan was to add DX10 Xfire in Game (XIG) support when Age of Conan first supported it. Unfortunately, we ran into some trouble.
We're still working on it between other projects, but it hasn't been abandoned.
No ETA just yet. That's about all I have. A glimmer of hope..."Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:13 pm
so if ya wount take his word that x fire has problems with aoc how about a x fire site admin?
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933)
Where have you gotten clasified infos about how many people tried and how many people left free trials and winback program?
OMFG pay ATTENTION.
Alexa.com reports the spike during the free trials of hits to the website, it was up about 30% from the average, now at pre-trial levels.
Xfire reports the spike in player hours and in number of hours total played. Went up during the trials, now down, at an all time low.
Funcom's quarterly report, projects declining revenues. They aren't expanding their capital they are losing subscriptions, that is what an MMO is designed to generate, revenue from subscribers. When revenue falls it is directly related to falling subscriptions. Of course if the fucking subscriptions were up, both Xfire numbers, as well as hits on the website would be up, which they are not! Not only that but Funcom would be reporting even the smallest victories that could be seen as victories. 1:2, 1:3, 1:5 players trying the trial, continuing to subscribe.
Fact is that number was polled by me during the free trial while I was paying for the game, and it appeared to be more like 1:20. Numbers like 1:20 or 5% subscribing after trying the game for free, well that is just downright pathetic. Suppose there were 100k subscribing before the trials and another 100k actually did the trial download, which has been reported, less than 10% were re-subbed after trial which is very close to what I found via polling daily during the trial.
The reasons are clear as day to someone who doesn't have a strong bias one way or the other. The game hasn't added value that players want. So they don't pay for things they don't want. Duh. The information is out there, the writitng is on the wall. AOC is fucking DOOMED!
1. Alexa : interesting, but aren't you the one explaining how inaccurate and wrong it is?
2. Xfire: broken totally. Game does not track dx10 players, dx9 players reporting it is not tracking ...
3. Winbacks are not included in this quarter, as for free trials - when did they start?
4. Numbers polled by you. which forum? this one? if yes that is total and utter failure ...
5. I am not saying that game is not doomed. Probably it is, if they don't pull the 180 with expansion and 1.06-07. But please ... those proves you guys provide are non scientifical - it is the same as saying god exists using 3rd party thing (the Bible)
Get your head straight. You 2 haven't proven nothing. Game is dying ... but your numbers are HUGE guesses with nothing else but 2 geeks that hate funcom (read my comment on that in other topic) making up "facts". Read a book on argument or something
Alexa is one of the more accurate measuring tools of tracking websites. It showed a pretty substantial hit jump on ageofconan.com during the trials. That hit jump amounted to what was the baseline for the previous 4-6 months + 30%, after the trials were over, had there been an increase of subscriptions one would expect that baseline to be higher than it was before the trials. However it isn't. It is basically the same and somewhat lower but only a few %. So we'll just say it was as if the trials didn't occur.
2. Xfire isn't broken just because you say so. Its accurate in AOC like it is accurate in every other program and Funcom was using it to brag about how AOC players were playing more. Now with play time at an all time low and ranked 50th its showing that winbacks didn't winback the majority of those who tried the. Listen, we wouldn't be talking about how AOC is a total failure if it was a smashing success here ok.
3. Winbacks haven't won any substantial number of the 1.1 milliong purchasers of the game who don't play today back. Case closed.
4. Numbers polled by me during my conversations with players. I talked to a bunch of players. I identified 54 who were free-trial players, of those WHEN ASKED only 3 told me they were going to re-sub and stick with AOC. The overwhelming consensus of the free-trials was that AOC still had a lot to get fixed and that the devs needed to make a much better showing. There was no knock your sox off moment for players coming back. Same show as before only stable.
5. Game is Doomed sir. The numbers are statistically sound. Every measurable in AOC is showing consistent steady declines, including the own fucking metrics from Funcom. Hello? Hello? Reading me 5x5? One would think if the company was actually interested in improving their product and rep that they would be pouring all hands on deck into pimping AOC not working on mutiple projects at once with more priority than AOC and an expansion but they've written off AOC which is why you and everybody else should too.
This is a joke right?
1. Lets leave alexa and the fact that it shows just a minor forum increase in WoW on 21st.
2. This was already answered. AoC has 100k subs (lets say) - and only 900 people are tracked with xfire. That is very weird if you ask me. Either Xfire doesn't track or AoC people don't use it. The portion is simply 2 small . Unreal, imho. How much is Warhammer and LOTRO player number atm?
3. 1.1m ... that is not reality, AoC will never see 1m people
4.That one is a joke. So your poll is not even made here but rather you went to 57 people? Do you know what this statistically means? Nothing more than that you wasted few hours of your time. 57 ... dude you are killing me, for real. And I thought making a poll here would be a bad idea
5.AoC has the priority. But ... a company cannot rely only on one game. Fuck, even blizzard is doing another MMO (another uber fail argument )
And I will ask again. What numbers? What you proved here is that you are not taking a bible, but rather a stoned prophet telling you that god exists. Science, arguments. Read a book really
2. Xfire isn't broken just because you say so. Its accurate in AOC like it is accurate in every other program and Funcom was using it to brag about how AOC players were playing more. Now with play time at an all time low and ranked 50th its showing that winbacks didn't winback the majority of those who tried the. Listen, we wouldn't be talking about how AOC is a total failure if it was a smashing success here ok.
www.xfire.com/xf/modules.phphttp://www.xfire.com/xf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=234422 if the hyper link doesnt work um seems the vaunted x fire ( which i have ben trying ) has had problems wiht aoc for a good while .as their site admin says "Our original plan was to add DX10 Xfire in Game (XIG) support when Age of Conan first supported it. Unfortunately, we ran into some trouble.
We're still working on it between other projects, but it hasn't been abandoned.
No ETA just yet. That's about all I have. A glimmer of hope..."Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:13 pm
so if ya wount take his word that x fire has problems with aoc how about a x fire site admin?
There was no dip in AOC when DX10 launched. This is one month old msg that was fixed in less than 2 days like most of the client issues with Xfire.
Alot of games have many diffrent versions of their client running - That includes games like WOW (DAOC has like 5). Get a clue how Xfire works before posting excuses that everyone knows is bullshit.
Where have you gotten clasified infos about how many people tried and how many people left free trials and winback program?
OMFG pay ATTENTION.
Alexa.com reports the spike during the free trials of hits to the website, it was up about 30% from the average, now at pre-trial levels.
Xfire reports the spike in player hours and in number of hours total played. Went up during the trials, now down, at an all time low.
Funcom's quarterly report, projects declining revenues. They aren't expanding their capital they are losing subscriptions, that is what an MMO is designed to generate, revenue from subscribers. When revenue falls it is directly related to falling subscriptions. Of course if the fucking subscriptions were up, both Xfire numbers, as well as hits on the website would be up, which they are not! Not only that but Funcom would be reporting even the smallest victories that could be seen as victories. 1:2, 1:3, 1:5 players trying the trial, continuing to subscribe.
Fact is that number was polled by me during the free trial while I was paying for the game, and it appeared to be more like 1:20. Numbers like 1:20 or 5% subscribing after trying the game for free, well that is just downright pathetic. Suppose there were 100k subscribing before the trials and another 100k actually did the trial download, which has been reported, less than 10% were re-subbed after trial which is very close to what I found via polling daily during the trial.
The reasons are clear as day to someone who doesn't have a strong bias one way or the other. The game hasn't added value that players want. So they don't pay for things they don't want. Duh. The information is out there, the writitng is on the wall. AOC is fucking DOOMED!
1. Alexa : interesting, but aren't you the one explaining how inaccurate and wrong it is?
2. Xfire: broken totally. Game does not track dx10 players, dx9 players reporting it is not tracking ...
3. Winbacks are not included in this quarter, as for free trials - when did they start?
4. Numbers polled by you. which forum? this one? if yes that is total and utter failure ...
5. I am not saying that game is not doomed. Probably it is, if they don't pull the 180 with expansion and 1.06-07. But please ... those proves you guys provide are non scientifical - it is the same as saying god exists using 3rd party thing (the Bible)
Get your head straight. You 2 haven't proven nothing. Game is dying ... but your numbers are HUGE guesses with nothing else but 2 geeks that hate funcom (read my comment on that in other topic) making up "facts". Read a book on argument or something
Alexa is one of the more accurate measuring tools of tracking websites. It showed a pretty substantial hit jump on ageofconan.com during the trials. That hit jump amounted to what was the baseline for the previous 4-6 months + 30%, after the trials were over, had there been an increase of subscriptions one would expect that baseline to be higher than it was before the trials. However it isn't. It is basically the same and somewhat lower but only a few %. So we'll just say it was as if the trials didn't occur.
2. Xfire isn't broken just because you say so. Its accurate in AOC like it is accurate in every other program and Funcom was using it to brag about how AOC players were playing more. Now with play time at an all time low and ranked 50th its showing that winbacks didn't winback the majority of those who tried the. Listen, we wouldn't be talking about how AOC is a total failure if it was a smashing success here ok.
3. Winbacks haven't won any substantial number of the 1.1 milliong purchasers of the game who don't play today back. Case closed.
4. Numbers polled by me during my conversations with players. I talked to a bunch of players. I identified 54 who were free-trial players, of those WHEN ASKED only 3 told me they were going to re-sub and stick with AOC. The overwhelming consensus of the free-trials was that AOC still had a lot to get fixed and that the devs needed to make a much better showing. There was no knock your sox off moment for players coming back. Same show as before only stable.
5. Game is Doomed sir. The numbers are statistically sound. Every measurable in AOC is showing consistent steady declines, including the own fucking metrics from Funcom. Hello? Hello? Reading me 5x5? One would think if the company was actually interested in improving their product and rep that they would be pouring all hands on deck into pimping AOC not working on mutiple projects at once with more priority than AOC and an expansion but they've written off AOC which is why you and everybody else should too.
This is a joke right?
1. Lets leave alexa and the fact that it shows just a minor forum increase in WoW on 21st.
2. This was already answered. AoC has 100k subs (lets say) - and only 900 people are tracked with xfire. That is very weird if you ask me. Either Xfire doesn't track or AoC people don't use it. The portion is simply 2 small . Unreal, imho. How much is Warhammer and LOTRO player number atm?
3. 1.1m ... that is not reality, AoC will never see 1m people
4.That one is a joke. So your poll is not even made here but rather you went to 57 people? Do you know what this statistically means? Nothing more than that you wasted few hours of your time. 57 ... dude you are killing me, for real. And I thought making a poll here would be a bad idea
5.AoC has the priority. But ... a company cannot rely only on one game. Fuck, even blizzard is doing another MMO (another uber fail argument )
And I will ask again. What numbers? What you proved here is that you are not taking a bible, but rather a stoned prophet telling you that god exists. Science, arguments. Read a book really
Im sorry but have you any numbers that show AOC is played by more than 100k PPL ?
The latest report shows even with skipping all sales of boxes that the game has at MAX 90K (considering royalties from Asia ( even tho the game has not launched there) and some funding from the Norwigean Government.
Im baffled how you try to deny the obvious. Xfire numbers just support the rest of the statistics ...
any company that cant stream on any site is the company s fault its not anyone else
if the game numbers of hour on xfire is less then the game ,theres a good reason ,impossible to stream,too boring etc
one thing is sure if you go on the top spot its wow
and they do live coverage of wow fight lol
so company that want to be rated on xfire make sure your game can be streamed or better yet be covered live on xfire or any other site that do this if not you only got your own company to blame not xfire lol
Nope . I told you ... I never said I think game is a sucess but you, finatic and bonezy are making fools of yourself not being able to make a valid argument and yet crying about fictional numbers all days. Like I said - making an argument is an art. And you are not exactly an artist.
About Xfire ... 2 things I found browsing. First is a comment from AoC forums
Xfire will still pick up that your playing the game but their overlay system is currently programmed in DX9 only. People have been requesting the ingame overlay for LOTRO since it got dx10 a year or so ago and it still hasn't been delivered.
Now, I would like to see where it is mentioned that the problem is being fixed. On AoC xfire contest site (hosted by xfire) there is still mentioned that Xfire does not support AoC dx10.
probably couldnt stream it if it was dx10 or even live coverage if it was just that player would just disable dx10 and revert to dx9 unless you cant do that anymore .i had to revert to dx9 when i tried this game lol
oh it was dx 10 what couple of days weeks then the switched dx10 off till furthewr notice that was back to almost release date
i wonder if aoc player can revert to dx 9 in order to stream or live it on xfire style site
Nope . I told you ... I never said I think game is a sucess but you, finatic and bonezy are making fools of yourself not being able to make a valid argument and yet crying about fictional numbers all days. Like I said - making an argument is an art. And you are not exactly an artist.
About Xfire ... 2 things I found browsing. First is a comment from AoC forums Xfire will still pick up that your playing the game but their overlay system is currently programmed in DX9 only. People have been requesting the ingame overlay for LOTRO since it got dx10 a year or so ago and it still hasn't been delivered. And 2nd is http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=116659 Now, I would like to see where it is mentioned that the problem is being fixed. On AoC xfire contest site (hosted by xfire) there is still mentioned that Xfire does not support AoC dx10.
Since when is LOTRO a full DX10 game ? lol It uses some dx10 features that do not require special client.
Maybe you should play more and browse less ?
Link the page showing that Xfire is not supporting DX10 in its stats (or contest site) plz ? To my best knowlege no game using dx10 features is being steamed through Xfire.... oh .. and that inclueds LOTRO btw...
You ppl are so full of it
Next you will probably argue that it isn't supporting PC versions.. lol
Frobner um maybe you should take bit of your own advice?x fire so far has not been a great wonderful thing with aoc for me. it didnt log but 3 of 6 hours the 1st day. screen shots locked up movemnt an i died trying to take screen shots..it does not want to detect my everquest install either.have to maunaly detect it each time or it wount play nice.
an when screen shots were loaded up from aoc it crashed my client .theirs posted info their links an others pointed out problems with it. dx 10 does work in aoc an depending your card it runs better fps but doesnt show the fps metter corectly.this should have been in before launch years ago .
atm i run dx9 ,maxed seting but no shadows .so dx10 problems with xfire shouldnt be a problem for me right?
gona try it today if it crahses me again or ls not reporting the numbers corectly again im just gona uninstall it.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933)
Im sorry but these links are from march - april... You do know that were the starting days of Dx10 ?
Its late August now...
Im not playing AOC atm so can't try it with the DX10 features and I hate Xfire. But the logic that one game works better or worse with Xfire is an old one. Xfire is crap - but about same % of ppl will use it +- competitions. Thats just how it is. It shows a trend if a game is gaining or loosing players (not only time played but fluctuations in number of users).
Ya that is a good point there was no dip at launch on Xfire, there were HUGE, EPIC gains during free trials, and now it is at an all time low.
2 things bother me, the fact that anyone in their right mind would keep the DX 10 beta version on and the fact that it doesn't look like Funcom will ever optomize the DX 10 client.
If you are going to take a Screen Shot put DX 10 on, if you are going to PvP, or Raid it will cut down FPS.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by finaticd
Ya that is a good point there was no dip at launch on Xfire, there were HUGE, EPIC gains during free trials, and now it is at an all time low. 2 things bother me, the fact that anyone in their right mind would keep the DX 10 beta version on and the fact that it doesn't look like Funcom will ever optomize the DX 10 client. If you are going to take a Screen Shot put DX 10 on, if you are going to PvP, or Raid it will cut down FPS.
No, No and NO. Anyone in their right mind who can run DX10 comfortably will do, it got put in after you left so??
Every patch it has been optimized a few times already.
And no issues here in PVP or Raid with particles up max. I can get through comfortably
They actually optimized it by having a raid setting, did you know that?
x fire doesnt run well with aoc an dx10.not seen message that states they fixed it or that its been moved to resolved.an it dont do that well with dx9 either (thats what im runing) screen shots uploding can dump ya outa game an crash client .
so its still not a good triend indictor even tho now its back up to 48th over all rank up from 50 .#48 up from #50 yesterday
now oddly it credited me with 2 hours playing aoc ( about right) on the mini sig) but not on the character page.it updates weirdly.like theirs a hour or two delay or more at times. plus
Registered Users
14,109,142
Current Users Online
173,268
at 9:16 pm est so theirs only at 1.2 % of the registered users acutlay use x fire.trends are all well an good added to the posts that xfire an aoc not mixing that well atm doesnt make for acurate snap shot of the population.belive what you want but cod4mw is the new wow killer if you belive the numbers .which bodes bad for mmorpg's over all since its not one.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933)
Ya that is a good point there was no dip at launch on Xfire, there were HUGE, EPIC gains during free trials, and now it is at an all time low. 2 things bother me, the fact that anyone in their right mind would keep the DX 10 beta version on and the fact that it doesn't look like Funcom will ever optomize the DX 10 client. If you are going to take a Screen Shot put DX 10 on, if you are going to PvP, or Raid it will cut down FPS.
No, No and NO. Anyone in their right mind who can run DX10 comfortably will do, it got put in after you left so??
Every patch it has been optimized a few times already.
And no issues here in PVP or Raid with particles up max. I can get through comfortably
They actually optimized it by having a raid setting, did you know that?
Well most people who play AoC are sitting around doing nothing day after day waiting for new content so ya you don't need much to do that.
Unoptomized is a resource hog I know that I tested it last month, it will always be a resource hog unless they work on it. Ya raid setting turns off DX 10!
DX 9 with AA on is still better as per last month.
Im sorry but these links are from march - april... You do know that were the starting days of Dx10 ? Its late August now...
Im not playing AOC atm so can't try it with the DX10 features and I hate Xfire. But the logic that one game works better or worse with Xfire is an old one. Xfire is crap - but about same % of ppl will use it +- competitions. Thats just how it is. It shows a trend if a game is gaining or loosing players (not only time played but fluctuations in number of users).
And here I am trying to teach you two how to construct a valid argument. Lemme do another 101 for you:
-if someone presents a valid prove (which the word of authority undoubdtly is) your job to make it invalid is not to say something about how old this info is but to provide some other valid prove, that will prove the first one wrong. The fact for now remains that while I presented an official saying on the subject you again went into rumors, sayings. You guys are like peopl on the market ...,
@finaticd: now, correct me if I am wrong but there is always expected for new techologies to drain more resources that old ones, right? Granted not half of it as DX10 did in its first beta but still ...
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by finaticd
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by finaticd
Ya that is a good point there was no dip at launch on Xfire, there were HUGE, EPIC gains during free trials, and now it is at an all time low. 2 things bother me, the fact that anyone in their right mind would keep the DX 10 beta version on and the fact that it doesn't look like Funcom will ever optomize the DX 10 client. If you are going to take a Screen Shot put DX 10 on, if you are going to PvP, or Raid it will cut down FPS.
No, No and NO. Anyone in their right mind who can run DX10 comfortably will do, it got put in after you left so??
Every patch it has been optimized a few times already.
And no issues here in PVP or Raid with particles up max. I can get through comfortably
They actually optimized it by having a raid setting, did you know that?
Well most people who play AoC are sitting around doing nothing day after day waiting for new content so ya you don't need much to do that.
Unoptomized is a resource hog I know that I tested it last month, it will always be a resource hog unless they work on it. Ya raid setting turns off DX 10!
DX 9 with AA on is still better as per last month.
Of course most people who play AoC are sitting around doing nothing every day. Yeah it is the truth, I swear it is!
If you know anything about Draccan, he has his own ideals which conform to the his interpretation in conjunction with his own opinion about the game. Always from the perspective that the game let him down for own personal and familar reasons. That type of honesty is well appreciated! At the end of the day he wanted best for the game the IP and so on. He was, and still is, no doubt saying this from a semi prejudice manner based on previous experiences. Difference is, what he says is from the aspect that comes across that he has always wanted best from the makers (something which I think is different with youself). He put across reasonable arguments in line with the current playing community and I often found myself agreeing with him on several points on several occasions (whether I liked it or not). I respected his approach in the demeanor which is different from your own. (Which, well, is another topic altogether)
To be honest with you after previous "outbursts" a long time ago I find it hard from what you say that you would ever touch the game even with 'a barge pole' ever again and we are talking half a year back + here. So forgive me in not believing any recent so called experiences with the game you pertain to ( I think you ) imaginarily had in a tangible aspect.
People are out there with machines when running full whack and taking DX10 on board do notice a hit in performance (never said otherwise) have a conclusion that it is never game impacting. If your under the assumption that anyone trying DX10 will not have a, or potentially have a performance issue then it is time to come down out of the virtual reality gear. The fact is on the whole from a non expensive machine I can FRAPS Capture (full on, full screen full HD res) at + 30 FPS inclusive of the FPS hit you naturally get from FRAPS and have a playable game ( Youtube vids as proof) with DX10 running... well.
No one denying resource hog, but if you have the machine and have the "beef" then things can be totally fine. If you want to go around saying this and that and having someone call you out on it, then don't dust it under the carpet for sake of it. Don't even bother trying to put your experience down and a global shared one either.
I think it is pretty obvious that those people that can do DX10 will do so. I also think those people understand that there will be some kind of performance hit (two are naturally occuring for the most part as with lots of game WITH the same options).
I will always disagree when you try to preach about the majority of the current players in thinking that they sit around "all day" waiting for new content. Facts are plenty of content has been put in, and I doubt you even had a taste of whats gone on since the fall. People progress at different speeds if you want to lump everyone together then thats up to you to still hang around bitter forever.
The critic is question as per thread title.. Draccan has spoken illl of the game more than you can dream everynight in the past, the very fact that there is admission and the fact he can turn around stipulating to "urge" people to try it for themselves to make their own mind up is one of respect for the new comer, and the previous player in fair appeal.
That fairness is something you lack, comes across strongly and is ultimately arrogant in that you fail to look at the bigger picture of both sides of the story. At least Draccan has the balls to come back and say "give it a go yourself" where as you would like to slam the door shut and not give average joe a shot to make his / her mind up themselves.
For the record I have nothing wrong with people putting across their 'recent' experiences with the game either good or bad. Only through that "recent" feedback can the game get better, either way I can apprecitate that positioning. But when that record is playing old shite and broken well it gets kinda smelly you know. Can't even bring anything new to the table, well, deaf ears mate.
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Where have you gotten clasified infos about how many people tried and how many people left free trials and winback program?
Why bother to DL some 15gbs of stuff ?
Aion open beta is starting in few days - Be smart and try that one for FREE - For REAL !
AA said 100,000k players downloaded the client and provided links and that is not including the win backs who already had it like myself.
And in the last quarterly statement the revenues from subscriptions dropped 20% so it is pretty easy to do the math.
X= Old Subs, Y = New Trials
X + Y -Y - (X * .20) = change of Quarter 1 to Quarter 2.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
OMFG pay ATTENTION.
Alexa.com reports the spike during the free trials of hits to the website, it was up about 30% from the average, now at pre-trial levels.
Xfire reports the spike in player hours and in number of hours total played. Went up during the trials, now down, at an all time low.
Funcom's quarterly report, projects declining revenues. They aren't expanding their capital they are losing subscriptions, that is what an MMO is designed to generate, revenue from subscribers. When revenue falls it is directly related to falling subscriptions. Of course if the fucking subscriptions were up, both Xfire numbers, as well as hits on the website would be up, which they are not! Not only that but Funcom would be reporting even the smallest victories that could be seen as victories. 1:2, 1:3, 1:5 players trying the trial, continuing to subscribe.
Fact is that number was polled by me during the free trial while I was paying for the game, and it appeared to be more like 1:20. Numbers like 1:20 or 5% subscribing after trying the game for free, well that is just downright pathetic. Suppose there were 100k subscribing before the trials and another 100k actually did the trial download, which has been reported, less than 10% were re-subbed after trial which is very close to what I found via polling daily during the trial.
The reasons are clear as day to someone who doesn't have a strong bias one way or the other. The game hasn't added value that players want. So they don't pay for things they don't want. Duh. The information is out there, the writitng is on the wall. AOC is fucking DOOMED!
OMFG pay ATTENTION.
Alexa.com reports the spike during the free trials of hits to the website, it was up about 30% from the average, now at pre-trial levels.
Xfire reports the spike in player hours and in number of hours total played. Went up during the trials, now down, at an all time low.
Funcom's quarterly report, projects declining revenues. They aren't expanding their capital they are losing subscriptions, that is what an MMO is designed to generate, revenue from subscribers. When revenue falls it is directly related to falling subscriptions. Of course if the fucking subscriptions were up, both Xfire numbers, as well as hits on the website would be up, which they are not! Not only that but Funcom would be reporting even the smallest victories that could be seen as victories. 1:2, 1:3, 1:5 players trying the trial, continuing to subscribe.
Fact is that number was polled by me during the free trial while I was paying for the game, and it appeared to be more like 1:20. Numbers like 1:20 or 5% subscribing after trying the game for free, well that is just downright pathetic. Suppose there were 100k subscribing before the trials and another 100k actually did the trial download, which has been reported, less than 10% were re-subbed after trial which is very close to what I found via polling daily during the trial.
The reasons are clear as day to someone who doesn't have a strong bias one way or the other. The game hasn't added value that players want. So they don't pay for things they don't want. Duh. The information is out there, the writitng is on the wall. AOC is fucking DOOMED!
1. Alexa : interesting, but aren't you the one explaining how inaccurate and wrong it is?
2. Xfire: broken totally. Game does not track dx10 players, dx9 players reporting it is not tracking ...
3. Winbacks are not included in this quarter, as for free trials - when did they start?
4. Numbers polled by you. which forum? this one? if yes that is total and utter failure ...
5. I am not saying that game is not doomed. Probably it is, if they don't pull the 180 with expansion and 1.06-07. But please ... those proves you guys provide are non scientifical - it is the same as saying god exists using 3rd party thing (the Bible)
Get your head straight. You 2 haven't proven nothing. Game is dying ... but your numbers are HUGE guesses with nothing else but 2 geeks that hate funcom (read my comment on that in other topic) making up "facts". Read a book on argument or something
OMFG pay ATTENTION.
Alexa.com reports the spike during the free trials of hits to the website, it was up about 30% from the average, now at pre-trial levels.
Xfire reports the spike in player hours and in number of hours total played. Went up during the trials, now down, at an all time low.
Funcom's quarterly report, projects declining revenues. They aren't expanding their capital they are losing subscriptions, that is what an MMO is designed to generate, revenue from subscribers. When revenue falls it is directly related to falling subscriptions. Of course if the fucking subscriptions were up, both Xfire numbers, as well as hits on the website would be up, which they are not! Not only that but Funcom would be reporting even the smallest victories that could be seen as victories. 1:2, 1:3, 1:5 players trying the trial, continuing to subscribe.
Fact is that number was polled by me during the free trial while I was paying for the game, and it appeared to be more like 1:20. Numbers like 1:20 or 5% subscribing after trying the game for free, well that is just downright pathetic. Suppose there were 100k subscribing before the trials and another 100k actually did the trial download, which has been reported, less than 10% were re-subbed after trial which is very close to what I found via polling daily during the trial.
The reasons are clear as day to someone who doesn't have a strong bias one way or the other. The game hasn't added value that players want. So they don't pay for things they don't want. Duh. The information is out there, the writitng is on the wall. AOC is fucking DOOMED!
1. Alexa : interesting, but aren't you the one explaining how inaccurate and wrong it is?
2. Xfire: broken totally. Game does not track dx10 players, dx9 players reporting it is not tracking ...
3. Winbacks are not included in this quarter, as for free trials - when did they start?
4. Numbers polled by you. which forum? this one? if yes that is total and utter failure ...
5. I am not saying that game is not doomed. Probably it is, if they don't pull the 180 with expansion and 1.06-07. But please ... those proves you guys provide are non scientifical - it is the same as saying god exists using 3rd party thing (the Bible)
Get your head straight. You 2 haven't proven nothing. Game is dying ... but your numbers are HUGE guesses with nothing else but 2 geeks that hate funcom (read my comment on that in other topic) making up "facts". Read a book on argument or something
Alexa is one of the more accurate measuring tools of tracking websites. It showed a pretty substantial hit jump on ageofconan.com during the trials. That hit jump amounted to what was the baseline for the previous 4-6 months + 30%, after the trials were over, had there been an increase of subscriptions one would expect that baseline to be higher than it was before the trials. However it isn't. It is basically the same and somewhat lower but only a few %. So we'll just say it was as if the trials didn't occur.
2. Xfire isn't broken just because you say so. Its accurate in AOC like it is accurate in every other program and Funcom was using it to brag about how AOC players were playing more. Now with play time at an all time low and ranked 50th its showing that winbacks didn't winback the majority of those who tried the. Listen, we wouldn't be talking about how AOC is a total failure if it was a smashing success here ok.
3. Winbacks haven't won any substantial number of the 1.1 milliong purchasers of the game who don't play today back. Case closed.
4. Numbers polled by me during my conversations with players. I talked to a bunch of players. I identified 54 who were free-trial players, of those WHEN ASKED only 3 told me they were going to re-sub and stick with AOC. The overwhelming consensus of the free-trials was that AOC still had a lot to get fixed and that the devs needed to make a much better showing. There was no knock your sox off moment for players coming back. Same show as before only stable.
5. Game is Doomed sir. The numbers are statistically sound. Every measurable in AOC is showing consistent steady declines, including the own fucking metrics from Funcom. Hello? Hello? Reading me 5x5? One would think if the company was actually interested in improving their product and rep that they would be pouring all hands on deck into pimping AOC not working on mutiple projects at once with more priority than AOC and an expansion but they've written off AOC which is why you and everybody else should too.
Winbacks will be reported next quarter, which Funcom themselves estimates to be around 10% lower revenues than this quarter.
You know it is bad when the Norway government is bailing Funcom out:
The Company was awarded around 240 TUSD in
funding from the Norwegian Film Fund for the
development of its Java based free-to-play MMO.
This game reached its game-play beta stage in
August.
About DX 10 which was put on my AoC Box...is it out of Beta testing on live servers yet?
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
You can run DX10 on live. I get about 50% performance hit on it vs DX9. If that sounds like its worth it to you great. Its hit or miss, most players with GTX series cards seem to stick with DX10, others report problems. Is it a major selling point over DX9 not really. Game looks great in DX9 but yeah DX10 does notch up a bit. Still wont give your voice overs or make your bank bigger, or help your guild tax, or make your sieges stable. But oh well. Got to get DX10 out cause it was on the fucking box.
www.xfire.com/xf/modules.php http://www.xfire.com/xf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=234422 if the hyper link doesnt work um seems the vaunted x fire ( which i have ben trying ) has had problems wiht aoc for a good while .as their site admin says "Our original plan was to add DX10 Xfire in Game (XIG) support when Age of Conan first supported it. Unfortunately, we ran into some trouble.
We're still working on it between other projects, but it hasn't been abandoned.
No ETA just yet. That's about all I have. A glimmer of hope..."Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:13 pm
so if ya wount take his word that x fire has problems with aoc how about a x fire site admin?
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933)
OMFG pay ATTENTION.
Alexa.com reports the spike during the free trials of hits to the website, it was up about 30% from the average, now at pre-trial levels.
Xfire reports the spike in player hours and in number of hours total played. Went up during the trials, now down, at an all time low.
Funcom's quarterly report, projects declining revenues. They aren't expanding their capital they are losing subscriptions, that is what an MMO is designed to generate, revenue from subscribers. When revenue falls it is directly related to falling subscriptions. Of course if the fucking subscriptions were up, both Xfire numbers, as well as hits on the website would be up, which they are not! Not only that but Funcom would be reporting even the smallest victories that could be seen as victories. 1:2, 1:3, 1:5 players trying the trial, continuing to subscribe.
Fact is that number was polled by me during the free trial while I was paying for the game, and it appeared to be more like 1:20. Numbers like 1:20 or 5% subscribing after trying the game for free, well that is just downright pathetic. Suppose there were 100k subscribing before the trials and another 100k actually did the trial download, which has been reported, less than 10% were re-subbed after trial which is very close to what I found via polling daily during the trial.
The reasons are clear as day to someone who doesn't have a strong bias one way or the other. The game hasn't added value that players want. So they don't pay for things they don't want. Duh. The information is out there, the writitng is on the wall. AOC is fucking DOOMED!
1. Alexa : interesting, but aren't you the one explaining how inaccurate and wrong it is?
2. Xfire: broken totally. Game does not track dx10 players, dx9 players reporting it is not tracking ...
3. Winbacks are not included in this quarter, as for free trials - when did they start?
4. Numbers polled by you. which forum? this one? if yes that is total and utter failure ...
5. I am not saying that game is not doomed. Probably it is, if they don't pull the 180 with expansion and 1.06-07. But please ... those proves you guys provide are non scientifical - it is the same as saying god exists using 3rd party thing (the Bible)
Get your head straight. You 2 haven't proven nothing. Game is dying ... but your numbers are HUGE guesses with nothing else but 2 geeks that hate funcom (read my comment on that in other topic) making up "facts". Read a book on argument or something
Alexa is one of the more accurate measuring tools of tracking websites. It showed a pretty substantial hit jump on ageofconan.com during the trials. That hit jump amounted to what was the baseline for the previous 4-6 months + 30%, after the trials were over, had there been an increase of subscriptions one would expect that baseline to be higher than it was before the trials. However it isn't. It is basically the same and somewhat lower but only a few %. So we'll just say it was as if the trials didn't occur.
2. Xfire isn't broken just because you say so. Its accurate in AOC like it is accurate in every other program and Funcom was using it to brag about how AOC players were playing more. Now with play time at an all time low and ranked 50th its showing that winbacks didn't winback the majority of those who tried the. Listen, we wouldn't be talking about how AOC is a total failure if it was a smashing success here ok.
3. Winbacks haven't won any substantial number of the 1.1 milliong purchasers of the game who don't play today back. Case closed.
4. Numbers polled by me during my conversations with players. I talked to a bunch of players. I identified 54 who were free-trial players, of those WHEN ASKED only 3 told me they were going to re-sub and stick with AOC. The overwhelming consensus of the free-trials was that AOC still had a lot to get fixed and that the devs needed to make a much better showing. There was no knock your sox off moment for players coming back. Same show as before only stable.
5. Game is Doomed sir. The numbers are statistically sound. Every measurable in AOC is showing consistent steady declines, including the own fucking metrics from Funcom. Hello? Hello? Reading me 5x5? One would think if the company was actually interested in improving their product and rep that they would be pouring all hands on deck into pimping AOC not working on mutiple projects at once with more priority than AOC and an expansion but they've written off AOC which is why you and everybody else should too.
This is a joke right?
1. Lets leave alexa and the fact that it shows just a minor forum increase in WoW on 21st.
2. This was already answered. AoC has 100k subs (lets say) - and only 900 people are tracked with xfire. That is very weird if you ask me. Either Xfire doesn't track or AoC people don't use it. The portion is simply 2 small . Unreal, imho. How much is Warhammer and LOTRO player number atm?
3. 1.1m ... that is not reality, AoC will never see 1m people
4.That one is a joke. So your poll is not even made here but rather you went to 57 people? Do you know what this statistically means? Nothing more than that you wasted few hours of your time.
57 ... dude you are killing me, for real. And I thought making a poll here would be a bad idea 
5.AoC has the priority. But ... a company cannot rely only on one game. Fuck, even blizzard is doing another MMO (another uber fail argument
)
And I will ask again. What numbers? What you proved here is that you are not taking a bible, but rather a stoned prophet telling you that god exists. Science, arguments. Read a book really
www.xfire.com/xf/modules.php http://www.xfire.com/xf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=234422 if the hyper link doesnt work um seems the vaunted x fire ( which i have ben trying ) has had problems wiht aoc for a good while .as their site admin says "Our original plan was to add DX10 Xfire in Game (XIG) support when Age of Conan first supported it. Unfortunately, we ran into some trouble.
We're still working on it between other projects, but it hasn't been abandoned.
No ETA just yet. That's about all I have. A glimmer of hope..."Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:13 pm
so if ya wount take his word that x fire has problems with aoc how about a x fire site admin?
There was no dip in AOC when DX10 launched. This is one month old msg that was fixed in less than 2 days like most of the client issues with Xfire.
Alot of games have many diffrent versions of their client running - That includes games like WOW (DAOC has like 5). Get a clue how Xfire works before posting excuses that everyone knows is bullshit.
OMFG pay ATTENTION.
Alexa.com reports the spike during the free trials of hits to the website, it was up about 30% from the average, now at pre-trial levels.
Xfire reports the spike in player hours and in number of hours total played. Went up during the trials, now down, at an all time low.
Funcom's quarterly report, projects declining revenues. They aren't expanding their capital they are losing subscriptions, that is what an MMO is designed to generate, revenue from subscribers. When revenue falls it is directly related to falling subscriptions. Of course if the fucking subscriptions were up, both Xfire numbers, as well as hits on the website would be up, which they are not! Not only that but Funcom would be reporting even the smallest victories that could be seen as victories. 1:2, 1:3, 1:5 players trying the trial, continuing to subscribe.
Fact is that number was polled by me during the free trial while I was paying for the game, and it appeared to be more like 1:20. Numbers like 1:20 or 5% subscribing after trying the game for free, well that is just downright pathetic. Suppose there were 100k subscribing before the trials and another 100k actually did the trial download, which has been reported, less than 10% were re-subbed after trial which is very close to what I found via polling daily during the trial.
The reasons are clear as day to someone who doesn't have a strong bias one way or the other. The game hasn't added value that players want. So they don't pay for things they don't want. Duh. The information is out there, the writitng is on the wall. AOC is fucking DOOMED!
1. Alexa : interesting, but aren't you the one explaining how inaccurate and wrong it is?
2. Xfire: broken totally. Game does not track dx10 players, dx9 players reporting it is not tracking ...
3. Winbacks are not included in this quarter, as for free trials - when did they start?
4. Numbers polled by you. which forum? this one? if yes that is total and utter failure ...
5. I am not saying that game is not doomed. Probably it is, if they don't pull the 180 with expansion and 1.06-07. But please ... those proves you guys provide are non scientifical - it is the same as saying god exists using 3rd party thing (the Bible)
Get your head straight. You 2 haven't proven nothing. Game is dying ... but your numbers are HUGE guesses with nothing else but 2 geeks that hate funcom (read my comment on that in other topic) making up "facts". Read a book on argument or something
Alexa is one of the more accurate measuring tools of tracking websites. It showed a pretty substantial hit jump on ageofconan.com during the trials. That hit jump amounted to what was the baseline for the previous 4-6 months + 30%, after the trials were over, had there been an increase of subscriptions one would expect that baseline to be higher than it was before the trials. However it isn't. It is basically the same and somewhat lower but only a few %. So we'll just say it was as if the trials didn't occur.
2. Xfire isn't broken just because you say so. Its accurate in AOC like it is accurate in every other program and Funcom was using it to brag about how AOC players were playing more. Now with play time at an all time low and ranked 50th its showing that winbacks didn't winback the majority of those who tried the. Listen, we wouldn't be talking about how AOC is a total failure if it was a smashing success here ok.
3. Winbacks haven't won any substantial number of the 1.1 milliong purchasers of the game who don't play today back. Case closed.
4. Numbers polled by me during my conversations with players. I talked to a bunch of players. I identified 54 who were free-trial players, of those WHEN ASKED only 3 told me they were going to re-sub and stick with AOC. The overwhelming consensus of the free-trials was that AOC still had a lot to get fixed and that the devs needed to make a much better showing. There was no knock your sox off moment for players coming back. Same show as before only stable.
5. Game is Doomed sir. The numbers are statistically sound. Every measurable in AOC is showing consistent steady declines, including the own fucking metrics from Funcom. Hello? Hello? Reading me 5x5? One would think if the company was actually interested in improving their product and rep that they would be pouring all hands on deck into pimping AOC not working on mutiple projects at once with more priority than AOC and an expansion but they've written off AOC which is why you and everybody else should too.
This is a joke right?
1. Lets leave alexa and the fact that it shows just a minor forum increase in WoW on 21st.
2. This was already answered. AoC has 100k subs (lets say) - and only 900 people are tracked with xfire. That is very weird if you ask me. Either Xfire doesn't track or AoC people don't use it. The portion is simply 2 small . Unreal, imho. How much is Warhammer and LOTRO player number atm?
3. 1.1m ... that is not reality, AoC will never see 1m people
4.That one is a joke. So your poll is not even made here but rather you went to 57 people? Do you know what this statistically means? Nothing more than that you wasted few hours of your time.
57 ... dude you are killing me, for real. And I thought making a poll here would be a bad idea 
5.AoC has the priority. But ... a company cannot rely only on one game. Fuck, even blizzard is doing another MMO (another uber fail argument
)
And I will ask again. What numbers? What you proved here is that you are not taking a bible, but rather a stoned prophet telling you that god exists. Science, arguments. Read a book really
Im sorry but have you any numbers that show AOC is played by more than 100k PPL ?
The latest report shows even with skipping all sales of boxes that the game has at MAX 90K (considering royalties from Asia ( even tho the game has not launched there) and some funding from the Norwigean Government.
Im baffled how you try to deny the obvious. Xfire numbers just support the rest of the statistics ...
any company that cant stream on any site is the company s fault its not anyone else
if the game numbers of hour on xfire is less then the game ,theres a good reason ,impossible to stream,too boring etc
one thing is sure if you go on the top spot its wow
and they do live coverage of wow fight lol
so company that want to be rated on xfire make sure your game can be streamed or better yet be covered live on xfire or any other site that do this if not you only got your own company to blame not xfire lol
Nope
. I told you ... I never said I think game is a sucess but you, finatic and bonezy are making fools of yourself not being able to make a valid argument and yet crying about fictional numbers all days. Like I said - making an argument is an art. And you are not exactly an artist.
About Xfire ... 2 things I found browsing. First is a comment from AoC forums
Xfire will still pick up that your playing the game but their overlay system is currently programmed in DX9 only. People have been requesting the ingame overlay for LOTRO since it got dx10 a year or so ago and it still hasn't been delivered.
And 2nd is http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=116659
Now, I would like to see where it is mentioned that the problem is being fixed. On AoC xfire contest site (hosted by xfire) there is still mentioned that Xfire does not support AoC dx10.
probably couldnt stream it if it was dx10 or even live coverage if it was just that player would just disable dx10 and revert to dx9 unless you cant do that anymore .i had to revert to dx9 when i tried this game lol
oh it was dx 10 what couple of days weeks then the switched dx10 off till furthewr notice that was back to almost release date
i wonder if aoc player can revert to dx 9 in order to stream or live it on xfire style site
Since when is LOTRO a full DX10 game ? lol It uses some dx10 features that do not require special client.
Maybe you should play more and browse less ?
Link the page showing that Xfire is not supporting DX10 in its stats (or contest site) plz ? To my best knowlege no game using dx10 features is being steamed through Xfire.... oh .. and that inclueds LOTRO btw...
You ppl are so full of it
Next you will probably argue that it isn't supporting PC versions.. lol
http://www.xfire.com/communities/officialconan8/ (last news)
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=188735
http://www.xfire.com/xf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=221621
http://de.xfire.com/xf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=221251
Speccialy the last one is interesting. Given DX10 is still test release (if I am not misteaken) they probably still do not support it
Frobner um maybe you should take bit of your own advice?x fire so far has not been a great wonderful thing with aoc for me. it didnt log but 3 of 6 hours the 1st day. screen shots locked up movemnt an i died trying to take screen shots..it does not want to detect my everquest install either.have to maunaly detect it each time or it wount play nice.
an when screen shots were loaded up from aoc it crashed my client .theirs posted info their links an others pointed out problems with it. dx 10 does work in aoc an depending your card it runs better fps but doesnt show the fps metter corectly.this should have been in before launch years ago .
atm i run dx9 ,maxed seting but no shadows .so dx10 problems with xfire shouldnt be a problem for me right?
gona try it today if it crahses me again or ls not reporting the numbers corectly again im just gona uninstall it.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933)
Im sorry but these links are from march - april... You do know that were the starting days of Dx10 ?
Its late August now...
Im not playing AOC atm so can't try it with the DX10 features and I hate Xfire. But the logic that one game works better or worse with Xfire is an old one. Xfire is crap - but about same % of ppl will use it +- competitions. Thats just how it is. It shows a trend if a game is gaining or loosing players (not only time played but fluctuations in number of users).
Ya that is a good point there was no dip at launch on Xfire, there were HUGE, EPIC gains during free trials, and now it is at an all time low.
2 things bother me, the fact that anyone in their right mind would keep the DX 10 beta version on and the fact that it doesn't look like Funcom will ever optomize the DX 10 client.
If you are going to take a Screen Shot put DX 10 on, if you are going to PvP, or Raid it will cut down FPS.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
No, No and NO. Anyone in their right mind who can run DX10 comfortably will do, it got put in after you left so??
Every patch it has been optimized a few times already.
And no issues here in PVP or Raid with particles up max. I can get through comfortably
They actually optimized it by having a raid setting, did you know that?
i think theirs a bit of confusion here.
x fire doesnt run well with aoc an dx10.not seen message that states they fixed it or that its been moved to resolved.an it dont do that well with dx9 either (thats what im runing) screen shots uploding can dump ya outa game an crash client .
so its still not a good triend indictor even tho now its back up to 48th over all rank up from 50 .#48 up from #50 yesterday
Highest: #4 on 2008-06-01
now oddly it credited me with 2 hours playing aoc ( about right) on the mini sig) but not on the character page.it updates weirdly.like theirs a hour or two delay or more at times. plus
Registered Users
14,109,142
Current Users Online
173,268
at 9:16 pm est so theirs only at 1.2 % of the registered users acutlay use x fire.trends are all well an good added to the posts that xfire an aoc not mixing that well atm doesnt make for acurate snap shot of the population.belive what you want but cod4mw is the new wow killer if you belive the numbers .which bodes bad for mmorpg's over all since its not one.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933)
No, No and NO. Anyone in their right mind who can run DX10 comfortably will do, it got put in after you left so??
Every patch it has been optimized a few times already.
And no issues here in PVP or Raid with particles up max. I can get through comfortably
They actually optimized it by having a raid setting, did you know that?
Well most people who play AoC are sitting around doing nothing day after day waiting for new content so ya you don't need much to do that.
Unoptomized is a resource hog I know that I tested it last month, it will always be a resource hog unless they work on it. Ya raid setting turns off DX 10!
DX 9 with AA on is still better as per last month.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
And here I am trying to teach you two how to construct a valid argument. Lemme do another 101 for you:
-if someone presents a valid prove (which the word of authority undoubdtly is) your job to make it invalid is not to say something about how old this info is but to provide some other valid prove, that will prove the first one wrong. The fact for now remains that while I presented an official saying on the subject you again went into rumors, sayings. You guys are like peopl on the market ...,
@finaticd: now, correct me if I am wrong but there is always expected for new techologies to drain more resources that old ones, right? Granted not half of it as DX10 did in its first beta but still ...
No, No and NO. Anyone in their right mind who can run DX10 comfortably will do, it got put in after you left so??
Every patch it has been optimized a few times already.
And no issues here in PVP or Raid with particles up max. I can get through comfortably
They actually optimized it by having a raid setting, did you know that?
Well most people who play AoC are sitting around doing nothing day after day waiting for new content so ya you don't need much to do that.
Unoptomized is a resource hog I know that I tested it last month, it will always be a resource hog unless they work on it. Ya raid setting turns off DX 10!
DX 9 with AA on is still better as per last month.
Of course most people who play AoC are sitting around doing nothing every day. Yeah it is the truth, I swear it is!
If you know anything about Draccan, he has his own ideals which conform to the his interpretation in conjunction with his own opinion about the game. Always from the perspective that the game let him down for own personal and familar reasons. That type of honesty is well appreciated! At the end of the day he wanted best for the game the IP and so on. He was, and still is, no doubt saying this from a semi prejudice manner based on previous experiences. Difference is, what he says is from the aspect that comes across that he has always wanted best from the makers (something which I think is different with youself). He put across reasonable arguments in line with the current playing community and I often found myself agreeing with him on several points on several occasions (whether I liked it or not). I respected his approach in the demeanor which is different from your own. (Which, well, is another topic altogether)
To be honest with you after previous "outbursts" a long time ago I find it hard from what you say that you would ever touch the game even with 'a barge pole' ever again and we are talking half a year back + here. So forgive me in not believing any recent so called experiences with the game you pertain to ( I think you ) imaginarily had in a tangible aspect.
People are out there with machines when running full whack and taking DX10 on board do notice a hit in performance (never said otherwise) have a conclusion that it is never game impacting. If your under the assumption that anyone trying DX10 will not have a, or potentially have a performance issue then it is time to come down out of the virtual reality gear. The fact is on the whole from a non expensive machine I can FRAPS Capture (full on, full screen full HD res) at + 30 FPS inclusive of the FPS hit you naturally get from FRAPS and have a playable game ( Youtube vids as proof) with DX10 running... well.
No one denying resource hog, but if you have the machine and have the "beef" then things can be totally fine. If you want to go around saying this and that and having someone call you out on it, then don't dust it under the carpet for sake of it. Don't even bother trying to put your experience down and a global shared one either.
I think it is pretty obvious that those people that can do DX10 will do so. I also think those people understand that there will be some kind of performance hit (two are naturally occuring for the most part as with lots of game WITH the same options).
I will always disagree when you try to preach about the majority of the current players in thinking that they sit around "all day" waiting for new content. Facts are plenty of content has been put in, and I doubt you even had a taste of whats gone on since the fall. People progress at different speeds if you want to lump everyone together then thats up to you to still hang around bitter forever.
The critic is question as per thread title.. Draccan has spoken illl of the game more than you can dream everynight in the past, the very fact that there is admission and the fact he can turn around stipulating to "urge" people to try it for themselves to make their own mind up is one of respect for the new comer, and the previous player in fair appeal.
That fairness is something you lack, comes across strongly and is ultimately arrogant in that you fail to look at the bigger picture of both sides of the story. At least Draccan has the balls to come back and say "give it a go yourself" where as you would like to slam the door shut and not give average joe a shot to make his / her mind up themselves.
For the record I have nothing wrong with people putting across their 'recent' experiences with the game either good or bad. Only through that "recent" feedback can the game get better, either way I can apprecitate that positioning. But when that record is playing old shite and broken well it gets kinda smelly you know. Can't even bring anything new to the table, well, deaf ears mate.