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Free store points for veterans, beta testers
Jadar
Member Posts: 300
I'm glad Turbine decided to give some bennies to beta testers. I just hope they adjusted some of their prices (downward).
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Wow! That may go a ways towards appeasing the vets.
Well done on this one, Turbine!
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WHile it is nice to have, this in now way appeases the vets of the game. After all the time waiting and being lied to do you think some extra points is really going to appease a large number of vets?
This is really great! Seems like Turbine is really on the ball now and doing all they can to show how comited they are to the game and to their subscribers, now we kno why Turbine is considered one of the top companies in the MMO buisnes.
For thoose who still dont know, turbine is sueing Atari http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/08/26/Atari.pdf which explaninsalot of the problems Turbine have had with DDO and how they have supported the game even thou Atari backstabbed them.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Yes of course Atari is the only one at fault. None of Turbines choices or decisions had any effect it was all Atari. JUst because Atari is being sued does not mean Turbine is not at fault for DDO issues as well.
WHile it is nice to have, this in now way appeases the vets of the game. After all the time waiting and being lied to do you think some extra points is really going to appease a large number of vets?
I'm a vet too, 2 years is enough I guess. I wasn't lied to by Turbine ever, and I trust them for many reasons.
Also, those rewards are really great to me : ).
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WHile it is nice to have, this in now way appeases the vets of the game. After all the time waiting and being lied to do you think some extra points is really going to appease a large number of vets?
I'm a vet too, 2 years is enough I guess. I wasn't lied to by Turbine ever, and I trust them for many reasons.
Also, those rewards are really great to me : ).
No lies is your opinion. But if I told you to expect things around March and delivered in September I expect you to be just as excepting.
I thought you started last July? As I said it will not appease a large number of vets, it will appease vets like you who love Turbine like family. You can be happy, I like the reward I simply think it fails to be enough.
You have every right to trust Turbine and I have every right not to. My opinion is they have under delivered for 3+ years and will now get to use the Atari excuse. Some people will go along and blame Atari for all that has gone wrong, others will blame both companies for what has happened and what may happen in the future as this lawsuit rolls out fully.
Lets looks at this lawsuit a little. First Turbine reupped with Atari knowing Atari had not done what it was supposed to do. Did Turbine resign with them in hopes Atari would do the right thing(not likely or someone at Turbine had high hopes) or did they do it knopwing they needed to have a deal in place in order to make this lawsuit even better for them? Paying future royalties and "being forced" (need to see the evidence before that charge can be proven)to give up exclusivity strengthens their claims while not signing would not.
So Turbine gets back in bed with Atari most likely because they want to sue. Turbine in turn has strung along its playerbase in order to build its lawsuit. As far as I am concerned both companies have committed fraud. Atari to Turbine and Turbine to the customers who were never told the truth and were strung along with promises and the term SOON.
Of course, if Atari had not continually kept screwing up - Turbine wouldn't have anything to sue about.
So, saying that Turbine only continued working with Atari because they wanted to have more things to sue for is silly.
More likely, they continued working with Atari because of their license and it was easier simply helping out the stumbling giant - than giving up their huge investment and taking a great loss because of Atari's incompetence.
At least now they have a license until 2016, which should help them recuperate some of their investment.
As for the beta points and VIP points, that's pure awesome. A pity I don't qualify for any of them, but it must surely make regulars feel like they're appreciated by the developers.
WHile it is nice to have, this in now way appeases the vets of the game. After all the time waiting and being lied to do you think some extra points is really going to appease a large number of vets?
I'm a vet too, 2 years is enough I guess. I wasn't lied to by Turbine ever, and I trust them for many reasons.
Also, those rewards are really great to me : ).
No lies is your opinion. But if I told you to expect things around March and delivered in September I expect you to be just as excepting.
I thought you started last July? As I said it will not appease a large number of vets, it will appease vets like you who love Turbine like family. You can be happy, I like the reward I simply think it fails to be enough.
You have every right to trust Turbine and I have every right not to. My opinion is they have under delivered for 3+ years and will now get to use the Atari excuse. Some people will go along and blame Atari for all that has gone wrong, others will blame both companies for what has happened and what may happen in the future as this lawsuit rolls out fully.
Lets looks at this lawsuit a little. First Turbine reupped with Atari knowing Atari had not done what it was supposed to do. Did Turbine resign with them in hopes Atari would do the right thing(not likely or someone at Turbine had high hopes) or did they do it knopwing they needed to have a deal in place in order to make this lawsuit even better for them? Paying future royalties and "being forced" (need to see the evidence before that charge can be proven)to give up exclusivity strengthens their claims while not signing would not.
So Turbine gets back in bed with Atari most likely because they want to sue. Turbine in turn has strung along its playerbase in order to build its lawsuit. As far as I am concerned both companies have committed fraud. Atari to Turbine and Turbine to the customers who were never told the truth and were strung along with promises and the term SOON.
Well thats your opinion and as alwyas oyou have nothing to back it up with, and considering your posting history no one is surprised and we know that arguing with you is pointless.
I guess all of us who dont agree are clueless, ignorant faboys who support failure
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Maybe you should go read the entire legal document and then comment on it. Turbine was not helping out Atari. Atari has not done anything they were supposed to since day 1. Atari was trying to cancel the license so they could have another company make a D7D based game. They then forced Tuirbine to give up exclusivity sdo they can let someone make a D&D based game. I highly doubt Turbine resigned with Atari to help the slumbering giant. Atari is no longer a giant in the game industry.
Maybe you should go read the entire legal document and then comment on it. Turbine was not helping out Atari. Atari has not done anything they were supposed to since day 1. Atari was trying to cancel the license so they could have another company make a D7D based game. They then forced Tuirbine to give up exclusivity sdo they can let someone make a D&D based game. I highly doubt Turbine resigned with Atari to help the slumbering giant. Atari is no longer a giant in the game industry.
Maybe this is what he refered to?
"Atari has also failed to pay Turbine royalties owing under the Agreements. At
one point, in or about September 2006, Atari owed Turbine millions of dollars in outstanding
royalties which Atari told Turbine’s former Chief Financial Officer, Peter Faubert, that Atari
simply did not have the money to pay. In an effort to accommodate Atari and Atari’s financial
distress, Turbine agreed to offset the royalties owed to Turbine by Atari against those owed to
Atari by Turbine. The parties concluded from the offset calculation that Atari owed Turbine in
excess of $1 million and agreed that Atari would pay that sum to Turbine under the terns of a
$50K per week “payment plan.”"
From the legal document
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Regardless of how opinionated Rok's post reads he does have a very good point which is also mentioned in the legal docs. The negative view towards Turbine for Atari's faults, fiction and fraud, have lasting effects which can/will directly impact Turbine in such a way that will cause them to lose money through the course of business. This doesn't mean the only damage done is through opinions like Roks, it means the events that transpired inadvertantly support negative views agasint Turbine and will directly impact their penetration rate due to a poor reputation.
An example, I will *NEVER* purchase any products associated with Sony Online Entertainment. To go one step further, I discuss this negative opinion in great detail every time thier products are mentioned. Regardless of the reasons why, word of mouth can be damning and this is just 1 tiny claim that Turbine intends to prove.
I'm not saying I agree with the originaly opinionated statement you quoted from Rok, but I do believe that his point is quite valid.
On the flip side, I do agree with Rok when he says "read the legal doc". Doing so will not only give insight into the industry of licencensing IP's, or dealing with publishers, but also clarify some specifics of what hurdles and roadblocks Turbine had to deal with before the game even went live. It's quite revealing.
Back on the OT...
Turbine has managed to screw up the vet points [http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=197586] BUT is still promising to deliver them. I had my 2k [+ the 400 I bought for $2 - only way I'll use "real" money beyond sub fee] - just waiting on the 9999 and the 500 for Sep. Burned through the 2k in about 5 min though: drow, greater tp wand, huge collectable bag, and huge wide quiver ~200TP left
<bought the wand on the wrong server -doh!- LOL>
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Regardless of how opinionated Rok's post reads he does have a very good point which is also mentioned in the legal docs. The negative view towards Turbine for Atari's faults, fiction and fraud, have lasting effects which can/will directly impact Turbine in such a way that will cause them to lose money through the course of business. This doesn't mean the only damage done is through opinions like Roks, it means the events that transpired inadvertantly support negative views agasint Turbine and will directly impact their penetration rate due to a poor reputation.
An example, I will *NEVER* purchase any products associated with Sony Online Entertainment. To go one step further, I discuss this negative opinion in great detail every time thier products are mentioned. Regardless of the reasons why, word of mouth can be damning and this is just 1 tiny claim that Turbine intends to prove.
Yep, DDO's launch and handling of matters the first couple months left me with a bad impression of Turbine. I never played AC so DDO was my first experience with them. It was bad enough that I had no interest in LotR simply because Turbine was developing it. I thought the same mess might be prevalent in that game as well considering all the issues ddo had. Thankfully, a friend convinced me Turbine could do a lot better than they did with DDO and talked me into trying out LotR when it launched after all. Glad he did and what a great game that turned out to be. It still amazes me that ddo and lotr are run by the same company. Their handling of matters are like night and day with those two games.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Regardless of how opinionated Rok's post reads he does have a very good point which is also mentioned in the legal docs. The negative view towards Turbine for Atari's faults, fiction and fraud, have lasting effects which can/will directly impact Turbine in such a way that will cause them to lose money through the course of business. This doesn't mean the only damage done is through opinions like Roks, it means the events that transpired inadvertantly support negative views agasint Turbine and will directly impact their penetration rate due to a poor reputation.
An example, I will *NEVER* purchase any products associated with Sony Online Entertainment. To go one step further, I discuss this negative opinion in great detail every time thier products are mentioned. Regardless of the reasons why, word of mouth can be damning and this is just 1 tiny claim that Turbine intends to prove.
Yep, DDO's launch and handling of matters the first couple months left me with a bad impression of Turbine. I never played AC so DDO was my first experience with them. It was bad enough that I had no interest in LotR simply because Turbine was developing it. I thought the same mess might be prevalent in that game as well considering all the issues ddo had. Thankfully, a friend convinced me Turbine could do a lot better than they did with DDO and talked me into trying out LotR when it launched after all. Glad he did and what a great game that turned out to be. It still amazes me that ddo and lotr are run by the same company. Their handling of matters are like night and day with those two games.
Obviously it is all Ataris fault.
Regardless of how opinionated Rok's post reads he does have a very good point which is also mentioned in the legal docs. The negative view towards Turbine for Atari's faults, fiction and fraud, have lasting effects which can/will directly impact Turbine in such a way that will cause them to lose money through the course of business. This doesn't mean the only damage done is through opinions like Roks, it means the events that transpired inadvertantly support negative views agasint Turbine and will directly impact their penetration rate due to a poor reputation.
An example, I will *NEVER* purchase any products associated with Sony Online Entertainment. To go one step further, I discuss this negative opinion in great detail every time thier products are mentioned. Regardless of the reasons why, word of mouth can be damning and this is just 1 tiny claim that Turbine intends to prove.
Yep, DDO's launch and handling of matters the first couple months left me with a bad impression of Turbine. I never played AC so DDO was my first experience with them. It was bad enough that I had no interest in LotR simply because Turbine was developing it. I thought the same mess might be prevalent in that game as well considering all the issues ddo had. Thankfully, a friend convinced me Turbine could do a lot better than they did with DDO and talked me into trying out LotR when it launched after all. Glad he did and what a great game that turned out to be. It still amazes me that ddo and lotr are run by the same company. Their handling of matters are like night and day with those two games.
This is why the lawsuit against Atari makes sense to me. As a LotrO player since launch I have had nothing but a (almost) positive experience even if I dont always agree with their design decisions.
DDO and LotrO was released about a year apart and is both based on major IPs. LotrO had a very smooth launch and was extremly polished and ready for release (but to little contetn imo) and had alot of marketing and no major issues. Compare to what DDO was at launch and you start wondering what went wrong... Ive read that Atari pushed Turbine to release DDO 6 month earlier because they were running out of money. I think the lawsuit explains alot... even thou some of Turbine design decisions with DDO also had an impact on why it wasnt a big success. (to instanced, lacking things to do outside quests, no solo play, hard learning curve etc.)
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd