Character Customization/Uniqueness Rating: 8.5/10 ... there are only a few games that have overall better character customization (especially in fantasy games)
You're kidding, right?
Yeah, what game is he playing because it is not WoW. The one thing this game really lacks is better character custamization in all areas. From appearance, to armor, to specs - one hunter will look like the next one in the way of gear. BE's all pretty much look the same. You've seen one Shadow Priest you've seen them all. I'd give WoW a 4.5 in this catagory. Looking back at some of his other scores I have t oquestion his rating system. Because some of just as off the deep end as this one.
What is with that high crafting and gathering score as well. That is just crazy. The spawn rates for some herbs is just sickening low. It can take hours of just running around certain zones to get what few of certain types of herbs actually spawn. It becomes an act of frustrating futility when there are others farming the same herb. Sorry Blizzard would get a 2 or 3 at most from me in this area. As for crafting. It would be so much better if we could get our hands on the mats we need to make stuff!
The issue of community is what leading me to take a break from it more than anything else . Most of the friends i made in the 4 years i ve played have left now and i got fed up with all the immature backstabbing and squabbling in whatever guild i got into . Theres always been an element of players with a bad attitude in WOW but it much worse now than its been in the past .
I really, really have to agree with you on this one. I've lost a lot of close friends from WoW over the years, but the majority from this past few months (3.0.8-3.2 mainly)... most of them say that the game has just become too stagnant. On my realm it is very hard to find mature, competent players anymore and the guilds have all but lost the 'family' feel that I enjoyed... it's all about progression or nothing at all (which isn't saying much because there are only like 10 legit raiding guilds across both factions).
" i fail to see how this game deserves a 9 in graphics "
This is mainly due to the combination of flexibility/stability and nice graphic adjustment levels (in retrospect a more beautiful zone probably would've been something Crystalsong Forest). WoW certainly isn't the most complex or beautiful in terms of graphics, but they are nice and yet still playable. I've played a lot of P2P and F2P games recently that have better graphics in quality, but a lot of them are much less stable and offer lower playability unless you have a more advanced system.
All-in-all though it really comes down to opinion, I'm using my rating scale not based upon one game or another, but instead the culmination or options from games... if WoW had graphics as beautiful as newer games like AoC, Aion, etc. it would be pushing a 9.5 or a 10.
Maybe next time that I do a review I'll break the ratings down further ( example: graphics-> playability, stability, effects, etc.).
The issue of community is what leading me to take a break from it more than anything else . Most of the friends i made in the 4 years i ve played have left now and i got fed up with all the immature backstabbing and squabbling in whatever guild i got into . Theres always been an element of players with a bad attitude in WOW but it much worse now than its been in the past .
I really, really have to agree with you on this one. I've lost a lot of close friends from WoW over the years, but the majority from this past few months (3.0.8-3.2 mainly)... most of them say that the game has just become too stagnant. On my realm it is very hard to find mature, competent players anymore and the guilds have all but lost the 'family' feel that I enjoyed... it's all about progression or nothing at all (which isn't saying much because there are only like 10 legit raiding guilds across both factions).
" i fail to see how this game deserves a 9 in graphics "
This is mainly due to the combination of flexibility/stability and nice graphic adjustment levels (in retrospect a more beautiful zone probably would've been something Crystalsong Forest). WoW certainly isn't the most complex or beautiful in terms of graphics, but they are nice and yet still playable. I've played a lot of P2P and F2P games recently that have better graphics in quality, but a lot of them are much less stable and offer lower playability unless you have a more advanced system.
All-in-all though it really comes down to opinion, I'm using my rating scale not based upon one game or another, but instead the culmination or options from games... if WoW had graphics as beautiful as newer games like AoC, Aion, etc. it would be pushing a 9.5 or a 10.
Maybe next time that I do a review I'll break the ratings down further ( example: graphics-> playability, stability, effects, etc.).
I ve actually openly argued for graphics engine update in these forums with the next expansion pack . The problem is that so many people are so hooked on Warcraft that they will even argue against a graphics upgrade . I think adult servers would be a good idea but again if you put the idea up in the forums you will find people again are against the idea because they think immediatly your having a go at the way Blizzard runs Warcraft . It seams now there cant even be sensible discussion when it comes to this game .
I'll respect those opinions, I think I was supposed to put a 6.5 there. I'll take the fall for it though =P; {{{given fantasy parameters}}} if I would choose my 10, I'd pull a scaling system like PWI's in, the gear design quality of WoW, and a gear customization that you find in (insert most free MMOs here)... gear dyeing, glowing enchants, scaling... that sort of thing. I can't remember which games it is, but I recently played one that had the ability to pull stats from one piece of gear and transfer it another so that you could wear your favorite outfit without dampering your character.
I have heard wondrous things about Champions online customization (although I've heard that is its real selling point, which seems lackluster to me). Then again, I'm more of a fantasy guy personally.
EDIT: I'd like to pose another question, if you could add to/change some of the customization features in WoW what would you do?
That game that you played recently that you can't think of...that's Aion
To quote Iron maiden: "As soon as youre born you start dying"...
And the OP have many points, Wow is not the same game it use to be. And the game is also aging fast.
However have the game change what kind of players it aims for so it will take many years for Wow to die. And they have also a new lboss, he might change the game in a new direction that could either be a second coming or a fast slope down, that is yet impossible to say.
I doubt that Wow will be the biggest game in 3 years, the game had a great run and is still going strong but nothing lasts forever except death and taxes. And Blizzards arch enemys Bioware are also making a MMO, that could impact it.
Of course I could be wrong and Wow will be the biggest game for the next 10 years and noone else will make a good game or improve the genre but that would be very sad. It is really time to change the MMO experience, we are still close to old EQ 10 years ago, time for something totaly new.
And we shouldn't forget Blizzards upcoming MMO, Blizzard wouldn't have moved Kaplan to it if they didn't believe it would be their next big game. If they would have thought it would be as big in 10 years they would have kept him where he was.
I'll respect those opinions, I think I was supposed to put a 6.5 there. I'll take the fall for it though =P; {{{given fantasy parameters}}} if I would choose my 10, I'd pull a scaling system like PWI's in, the gear design quality of WoW, and a gear customization that you find in (insert most free MMOs here)... gear dyeing, glowing enchants, scaling... that sort of thing. I can't remember which games it is, but I recently played one that had the ability to pull stats from one piece of gear and transfer it another so that you could wear your favorite outfit without dampering your character.
I have heard wondrous things about Champions online customization (although I've heard that is its real selling point, which seems lackluster to me). Then again, I'm more of a fantasy guy personally.
EDIT: I'd like to pose another question, if you could add to/change some of the customization features in WoW what would you do?
That game that you played recently...that's Aion
Ahhhh come on? Aion is still the same thing just with much better graphics. OOOOOhhhhh I have wings!......brilliant! so do pantyliners.
I'll respect those opinions, I think I was supposed to put a 6.5 there. I'll take the fall for it though =P; {{{given fantasy parameters}}} if I would choose my 10, I'd pull a scaling system like PWI's in, the gear design quality of WoW, and a gear customization that you find in (insert most free MMOs here)... gear dyeing, glowing enchants, scaling... that sort of thing. I can't remember which games it is, but I recently played one that had the ability to pull stats from one piece of gear and transfer it another so that you could wear your favorite outfit without dampering your character.
I have heard wondrous things about Champions online customization (although I've heard that is its real selling point, which seems lackluster to me). Then again, I'm more of a fantasy guy personally.
EDIT: I'd like to pose another question, if you could add to/change some of the customization features in WoW what would you do?
That game that you played recently...that's Aion
Ahhhh come on? Aion is still the same thing just with much better graphics. OOOOOhhhhh I have wings!......brilliant! so do pantyliners.
PANTYLINERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO WAY!!! I am playing Aion for sure NOW!!!!!! THX for the information!!!!!
Lol, to be honest if they really had included pantyliners, I wouldn't have canceled my pre order.......but.....just imagine would it could be like??????
These guys would rate WoW under f2p mmos if they could.
I'm sorry but the OP reviews are so far off the mark I wonder if he really even played wow.
I may have taken the bait in this obvious troll/bait thread but someone needs to bring this thread back to reality and away from these crazy fanbois that actually think any of their opinions mean anything.
You people are a very small minority and I'm happy that it's this way. You have no idea what a good MMO is, you confuse games being accessible with games being easy, all of you are so far off the mark I feel like I'm on another planet.
WoW may not be for everyone but it's far from a terrible game. If a new mmo player came to these forums they would think WoW was unplayable with as many negative threads we have on this game.
If any of you are new to this site, please for all that is holy do not listen to anyone on this site.
Go download a trial of an mmo and play it, do not be swayed by these forum warriors that have plagued these forums for years with a WoW smear campaign.
These guys would rate WoW under f2p mmos if they could.
I'm sorry but the OP reviews are so far off the mark I wonder if he really even played wow.
I may have taken the bait in this obvious troll/bait thread but someone needs to bring this thread back to reality and away from these crazy fanbois that actually think any of their opinions mean anything.
You people are a very small minority and I'm happy that it's this way. You have no idea what a good MMO is, you confuse games being accessible with games being easy, all of you are so far off the mark I feel like I'm on another planet.
WoW may not be for everyone but it's far from a terrible game. If a new mmo player came to these forums they would think WoW was unplayable with as many negative threads we have on this game.
If any of you are new to this site, please for all that is holy do not listen to anyone on this site.
Go download a trial of an mmo and play it, do not be swayed by these forum warriors that have plagued these forums for years with a WoW smear campaign. It's pathetic what these guys do.
Dude there was lots of passion in that post and I admire it, just speaking amongst us I made a post earlyer in the thread that I felt v strongly about.....2 b honest with my own post I felt a little bit embaressed when I woke up this morning......not as bad as I felt waking up next to my old guitar teacher tough on my gran and granpa's aniversery morning......but thats another story.....ummmmmmm......I'll just be over here if anybody needs me.....ummmmmm
These guys would rate WoW under f2p mmos if they could.
I'm sorry but the OP reviews are so far off the mark I wonder if he really even played wow.
I may have taken the bait in this obvious troll/bait thread but someone needs to bring this thread back to reality and away from these crazy fanbois that actually think any of their opinions mean anything.
You people are a very small minority and I'm happy that it's this way. You have no idea what a good MMO is, you confuse games being accessible with games being easy, all of you are so far off the mark I feel like I'm on another planet.
WoW may not be for everyone but it's far from a terrible game. If a new mmo player came to these forums they would think WoW was unplayable with as many negative threads we have on this game.
If any of you are new to this site, please for all that is holy do not listen to anyone on this site.
Go download a trial of an mmo and play it, do not be swayed by these forum warriors that have plagued these forums for years with a WoW smear campaign. It's pathetic what these guys do.
I don't react to the OP fellow. It is his personal opinion and he's not more than the opinions of those other 11.6 M people playing....
Enter the Wow bashers ...
They - and the usual sticky people over here - are in here for one goal.
To piss on WOW in every possible aspect, just to vent their frustrations WHY just WHY it is so "popular".
Forgetting it is succesful as many many many more people pay fot their gaming fun.
You may answer them with HUNDREDS of links to counter their hate. It won't help.
It's a hobby of the WOW haters: promoting other games that don't even touch the surface of Blizzard quality.
No problem.
They even promote WOW, because by trying other games, people very soon realise WOW is the ultra high model Mercedes of MMORPG's.
The other MMO makers promise Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati, but they deliver a Trabant instead.
So everybody else drives the Mercedes that WOW is ...... and they just sit there with the bicycle pretending it is a Porsche.
3 Guesses who has the fun and who is the frustrated one?
I very much wish Blizzard would publish its subscriber numbers once the game goes active in China because it would either squash rumours that the game has lost several million players or confirm them . Unfortunatly neither x-fire or the guiness book of records are accurate representations of what the number of subs are . As i ve said before .X-fire is only a snapshot of the number of x-fire customers that play Warcraft . I ve said before it could be likened to an opinion poll in a politically safe area . The guiness book of records takes quite a while to confirm so the May statement could easily date back to December 2008 . Only Blizzard can but this issue to bed .
These guys would rate WoW under f2p mmos if they could.
I'm sorry but the OP reviews are so far off the mark I wonder if he really even played wow.
I may have taken the bait in this obvious troll/bait thread but someone needs to bring this thread back to reality and away from these crazy fanbois that actually think any of their opinions mean anything.
You people are a very small minority and I'm happy that it's this way. You have no idea what a good MMO is, you confuse games being accessible with games being easy, all of you are so far off the mark I feel like I'm on another planet.
WoW may not be for everyone but it's far from a terrible game. If a new mmo player came to these forums they would think WoW was unplayable with as many negative threads we have on this game.
If any of you are new to this site, please for all that is holy do not listen to anyone on this site.
Go download a trial of an mmo and play it, do not be swayed by these forum warriors that have plagued these forums for years with a WoW smear campaign. It's pathetic what these guys do.
I don't react to the OP fellow. It is his personal opinion and he's not more than the opinions of those other 11.6 M people playing....
Enter the Wow bashers ...
They - and the usual sticky people over here - are in here for one goal.
To piss on WOW in every possible aspect, just to vent their frustrations WHY just WHY it is so "popular".
Forgetting it is succesful as many many many more people pay fot their gaming fun.
You may answer them with HUNDREDS of links to counter their hate. It won't help.
It's a hobby of the WOW haters: promoting other games that don't even touch the surface of Blizzard quality.
No problem.
They even promote WOW, because by trying other games, people very soon realise WOW is the ultra high model Mercedes of MMORPG's.
The other MMO makers promise Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati, but they deliver a Trabant instead.
So everybody else drives the Mercedes that WOW is ...... and they just sit there with the bicycle pretending it is a Porsche.
3 Guesses who has the fun and who is the frustrated one?
I very much wish Blizzard would publish its subscriber numbers once the game goes active in China because it would either squash rumours that the game has lost several million players or confirm them . Unfortunatly neither x-fire or the guiness book of records are accurate representations of what the number of subs are . As i ve said before .X-fire is only a snapshot of the number of x-fire customers that play Warcraft . I ve said before it could be likened to an opinion poll in a politically safe area . The guiness book of records takes quite a while to confirm so the May statement could easily date back to December 2008 . Only Blizzard can but this issue to bed .
its common knowledge that when the servers were down in china that they drop to around 5-6 mil since china takes up around half the subs numbers.
Overall, it was a good review, but you rated crafting too high. There are some good items to make, but a LOT of grinding on useless items. Perhaps the multi-point skill ups mentioned at Blizzcon will improve on this issue.
Now I'm going to amaze some people and say that - as much as I like Alchemy + Herbalism in this game, I like Apothecary + Cultivation in Warhammer better. seriously.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
These guys would rate WoW under f2p mmos if they could.
I'm sorry but the OP reviews are so far off the mark I wonder if he really even played wow.
I may have taken the bait in this obvious troll/bait thread but someone needs to bring this thread back to reality and away from these crazy fanbois that actually think any of their opinions mean anything.
You people are a very small minority and I'm happy that it's this way. You have no idea what a good MMO is, you confuse games being accessible with games being easy, all of you are so far off the mark I feel like I'm on another planet.
WoW may not be for everyone but it's far from a terrible game. If a new mmo player came to these forums they would think WoW was unplayable with as many negative threads we have on this game.
If any of you are new to this site, please for all that is holy do not listen to anyone on this site.
Go download a trial of an mmo and play it, do not be swayed by these forum warriors that have plagued these forums for years with a WoW smear campaign. It's pathetic what these guys do.
I don't react to the OP fellow. It is his personal opinion and he's not more than the opinions of those other 11.6 M people playing....
Enter the Wow bashers ...
They - and the usual sticky people over here - are in here for one goal.
To piss on WOW in every possible aspect, just to vent their frustrations WHY just WHY it is so "popular".
Forgetting it is succesful as many many many more people pay fot their gaming fun.
You may answer them with HUNDREDS of links to counter their hate. It won't help.
It's a hobby of the WOW haters: promoting other games that don't even touch the surface of Blizzard quality.
No problem.
They even promote WOW, because by trying other games, people very soon realise WOW is the ultra high model Mercedes of MMORPG's.
The other MMO makers promise Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati, but they deliver a Trabant instead.
So everybody else drives the Mercedes that WOW is ...... and they just sit there with the bicycle pretending it is a Porsche.
3 Guesses who has the fun and who is the frustrated one?
I very much wish Blizzard would publish its subscriber numbers once the game goes active in China because it would either squash rumours that the game has lost several million players or confirm them . Unfortunatly neither x-fire or the guiness book of records are accurate representations of what the number of subs are . As i ve said before .X-fire is only a snapshot of the number of x-fire customers that play Warcraft . I ve said before it could be likened to an opinion poll in a politically safe area . The guiness book of records takes quite a while to confirm so the May statement could easily date back to December 2008 . Only Blizzard can but this issue to bed .
its common knowledge that when the servers were down in china that they drop to around 5-6 mil since china takes up around half the subs numbers.
Thats why i brought up the situation in China . Once its resolved and Blizzard release the subscriber numbers ( hopefully later this year ) We will know if Warcraft is still at the 11.6 million mark . Its pointless for Blizzard to release world wide figures and present . Although they could release the numbers for Europe , Russia and North America . To some degree i can understand why they hav nt released them because its really not a good buisness stratergy to release declining figures .What i take issue with is people glibbly saying its still got 11.6 million subscribers when its inaccurate . It almost as if they need for this game to be hugly popular and never decline for it to justify thier choice of game . Even if Warcraft drops to 3 or 4 million it would still be a hugly successful game . It cant maintain the current numbers of subcribers forever thats a fact .
You get the feeling some people think it ll just keep growing untill all six billion people on the planet will be playing it .
I've got a pounding headache after writing this review. I will post up a Cataclysm notes review later this week. It will probably be around 1/2 the length of this review, but I am unsure until I start scribbling away. If you enjoy this review, let me know, otherwise flame me like you were probably going to do anyways =P. I'll be back probably tomorrow to check replies.
I'll bet your wrists and fingers aren't happy either. Very nice review. Quite well thought out. I look forward to your next one.
1. EXTREME class imbalances in pvp (lolDKS, rogues, and [depending on arena season] druids/priests[although often both])
A. There are times when I can play a flawless match and still come up short due purely to arena comp
B. Decisions like giving mages a 20% MS debuff frustrate me... seriously... you think mages needed that???
i read it all, but this is what pissed me off the most...
your going to talk "EXTREME" class imbalances in pvp in WoW, despite WoW being a mainly PvE focused game since it's start.
If you balance for PvP you f*ck up PvE, that is a fact and blizzard will confirm this.
That's one of the reasons the OP is just expressing a personal opinion.
If every class is UP there in the top 100 of Arena's, it shows very well EVERY CLASS can become deadly gladiator title (best players of 200.000 people).
Extreme imbalance if ALL classes can be top in arena play???? what a laugh.
it shows a very biased personal view of someone playing who is NOT up there in that world top of PvP.
Rather pathetic view, if you comment on Usain Bolt and YOU yourself can't run the 100 meters in 15 seconds.
You may THINK you play "flawless", but think again... others play better.
We see it ALL the time with WOW: 5 GUILDS world wide downed the last boss in Ulduar on heroic without dying....
And people -though they play simply lousy - still want to have a respected opinion.
No problem but the stats simply proves you wrong: every class can be top 100 in Arena's.. Period.
Most people in Warcraft would agree there are imbalances in pvp but each class has its uses in the battleground and you play to the strengths of that class . For instance hunters are a good defencive class . Rogues and Druids are really useful in av if they know that they should stealth and go ahead and take towers ( unfortunatly given so many kids play and love to zerg this does nt happen ) . The imbalances do come out in 2 vs 2 arena play which is why i thought it was a good idea for bliz to shift emphasis on to 3 vs 3 and 5 vs 5 . As for one on one pvp some class imbalances are huge (nearly everone i know recognises this as fact ) . if a rogue gets a drop on you it most likly your going to be dead in no time at all . WoW is definatly a pve centric game with a side order of pvp . which is not to say its pvp is bad . I do miss the world pvp skirmishes that seam to be all but missing from most servers these days .
the thing is you will never get a truely balanced class system in any game there will all was be classes that need a good nerfing . Its just part of what you have to weather if you like to play mmos .
I'll give you all my name/guild etc. (guild is currently a bank guild, but the achievements will show some of my experiences)
Character Name: Bublawl
Guild Name: Mascarada Sangrienta (used to be Caustic and Dibt Fakk if anyone wants to check guild achievements/rankings)
Realm: Bleeding Hollow
Go ahead and tear that apart as much as you like. That character has the majority of the things I've done in WotLK. Also, in before lolret... I've also played as prot for friend runs and holy for realm progression with Caustic.
Something people keep tossing into this thread is the thought that I think that I count for more opinion than other people in WoW... really I was just making a review, these are my opinions and MY ratings; if you don't like them, then whatever : / make your own review. Not to sound hostile, but let's quell this insurrection before the thread explodes.
A lot of people keep seeming to think that I'm holding some god-game that already exists as my standard of a 10, but really I don't think there is any aspect of any game released currently that I'd rate a 10. Also, for people who think my ratings are too high in some spots, I'm judging on the culmination of features in each area primarily.
Now I'm gonna go finish my club sandwich while someone disects this post : /... btw it's delicious
All I need is a in-game name and guild name to wrap up this review and I'm pacified......
THIS must be the most intelligent post in this complete useless thread (view) of 1 player out of the 11.6 millions possible.
Grtz.
And to Googaboy: I said "players" as China is up and WOW is free, so eat up the cup.
I guess by implication that means your posts wer nt intelligent Zorndorf .
And that last statement shows just how immature you are . I guess your trying to bait me but i just think its a bit sad and pathetic .
Also if you think the thread is useless why bother with it . You seam to spend more time in these forums that actually playing Warcraft . I mean if you enjoy it why are you wasting so much time in here ?
I don't bother. Obviously you do. I just smile and wonder why an Aion lover ....would create a new account and publish a terrrible WOW review... I created my account awhile back to get a beta key for a game I wanted to test, my creation date and the WoW review times are irrelevant. And WHY that 19 year old played WOW for 4 years and paid ... 750 dollars subscription money and would give it a shitty 7.1 rating. $750... 4 years... WHAT AN INVESTMENT!... WoW is an absurdly cheap timesink hobby. Because a 7.1 is such an terrible rating on a 10 scale... Even if you compare to the official rating on this site it is only a difference of .9; and that was when WotLK was new, before it started getting dull. Those elements above show me more than anything in that "review". That's all on you then, buddy. Someone taking all that trouble to vomit over a game is sure in need for a sandwich. Let's not grace this one with a thought... : /
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You're kidding, right?
Yeah, what game is he playing because it is not WoW. The one thing this game really lacks is better character custamization in all areas. From appearance, to armor, to specs - one hunter will look like the next one in the way of gear. BE's all pretty much look the same. You've seen one Shadow Priest you've seen them all. I'd give WoW a 4.5 in this catagory. Looking back at some of his other scores I have t oquestion his rating system. Because some of just as off the deep end as this one.
What is with that high crafting and gathering score as well. That is just crazy. The spawn rates for some herbs is just sickening low. It can take hours of just running around certain zones to get what few of certain types of herbs actually spawn. It becomes an act of frustrating futility when there are others farming the same herb. Sorry Blizzard would get a 2 or 3 at most from me in this area. As for crafting. It would be so much better if we could get our hands on the mats we need to make stuff!
I really, really have to agree with you on this one. I've lost a lot of close friends from WoW over the years, but the majority from this past few months (3.0.8-3.2 mainly)... most of them say that the game has just become too stagnant. On my realm it is very hard to find mature, competent players anymore and the guilds have all but lost the 'family' feel that I enjoyed... it's all about progression or nothing at all (which isn't saying much because there are only like 10 legit raiding guilds across both factions).
" i fail to see how this game deserves a 9 in graphics "
This is mainly due to the combination of flexibility/stability and nice graphic adjustment levels (in retrospect a more beautiful zone probably would've been something Crystalsong Forest). WoW certainly isn't the most complex or beautiful in terms of graphics, but they are nice and yet still playable. I've played a lot of P2P and F2P games recently that have better graphics in quality, but a lot of them are much less stable and offer lower playability unless you have a more advanced system.
All-in-all though it really comes down to opinion, I'm using my rating scale not based upon one game or another, but instead the culmination or options from games... if WoW had graphics as beautiful as newer games like AoC, Aion, etc. it would be pushing a 9.5 or a 10.
Maybe next time that I do a review I'll break the ratings down further ( example: graphics-> playability, stability, effects, etc.).
I really, really have to agree with you on this one. I've lost a lot of close friends from WoW over the years, but the majority from this past few months (3.0.8-3.2 mainly)... most of them say that the game has just become too stagnant. On my realm it is very hard to find mature, competent players anymore and the guilds have all but lost the 'family' feel that I enjoyed... it's all about progression or nothing at all (which isn't saying much because there are only like 10 legit raiding guilds across both factions).
" i fail to see how this game deserves a 9 in graphics "
This is mainly due to the combination of flexibility/stability and nice graphic adjustment levels (in retrospect a more beautiful zone probably would've been something Crystalsong Forest). WoW certainly isn't the most complex or beautiful in terms of graphics, but they are nice and yet still playable. I've played a lot of P2P and F2P games recently that have better graphics in quality, but a lot of them are much less stable and offer lower playability unless you have a more advanced system.
All-in-all though it really comes down to opinion, I'm using my rating scale not based upon one game or another, but instead the culmination or options from games... if WoW had graphics as beautiful as newer games like AoC, Aion, etc. it would be pushing a 9.5 or a 10.
Maybe next time that I do a review I'll break the ratings down further ( example: graphics-> playability, stability, effects, etc.).
I ve actually openly argued for graphics engine update in these forums with the next expansion pack . The problem is that so many people are so hooked on Warcraft that they will even argue against a graphics upgrade . I think adult servers would be a good idea but again if you put the idea up in the forums you will find people again are against the idea because they think immediatly your having a go at the way Blizzard runs Warcraft . It seams now there cant even be sensible discussion when it comes to this game .
That game that you played recently that you can't think of...that's Aion
To quote Iron maiden: "As soon as youre born you start dying"...
And the OP have many points, Wow is not the same game it use to be. And the game is also aging fast.
However have the game change what kind of players it aims for so it will take many years for Wow to die. And they have also a new lboss, he might change the game in a new direction that could either be a second coming or a fast slope down, that is yet impossible to say.
I doubt that Wow will be the biggest game in 3 years, the game had a great run and is still going strong but nothing lasts forever except death and taxes. And Blizzards arch enemys Bioware are also making a MMO, that could impact it.
Of course I could be wrong and Wow will be the biggest game for the next 10 years and noone else will make a good game or improve the genre but that would be very sad. It is really time to change the MMO experience, we are still close to old EQ 10 years ago, time for something totaly new.
And we shouldn't forget Blizzards upcoming MMO, Blizzard wouldn't have moved Kaplan to it if they didn't believe it would be their next big game. If they would have thought it would be as big in 10 years they would have kept him where he was.
That game that you played recently...that's Aion
Ahhhh come on? Aion is still the same thing just with much better graphics. OOOOOhhhhh I have wings!......brilliant! so do pantyliners.
That game that you played recently...that's Aion
Ahhhh come on? Aion is still the same thing just with much better graphics. OOOOOhhhhh I have wings!......brilliant! so do pantyliners.
PANTYLINERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO WAY!!! I am playing Aion for sure NOW!!!!!! THX for the information!!!!!
Lol, to be honest if they really had included pantyliners, I wouldn't have canceled my pre order.......but.....just imagine would it could be like??????
These guys would rate WoW under f2p mmos if they could.
I'm sorry but the OP reviews are so far off the mark I wonder if he really even played wow.
I may have taken the bait in this obvious troll/bait thread but someone needs to bring this thread back to reality and away from these crazy fanbois that actually think any of their opinions mean anything.
You people are a very small minority and I'm happy that it's this way. You have no idea what a good MMO is, you confuse games being accessible with games being easy, all of you are so far off the mark I feel like I'm on another planet.
WoW may not be for everyone but it's far from a terrible game. If a new mmo player came to these forums they would think WoW was unplayable with as many negative threads we have on this game.
If any of you are new to this site, please for all that is holy do not listen to anyone on this site.
Go download a trial of an mmo and play it, do not be swayed by these forum warriors that have plagued these forums for years with a WoW smear campaign.
It's pathetic what these guys do.
Playing: WoW, EvE
Interested in: TOR, ER, GW2, WoD, Dust514
Those are some very generous scores.. is everyone afraid to go under 5.5 these days?
Some parts of WoW are still 9/10 and some parts are closer to 2/10. Listing ten negatives and giving a score of 5-8 is silly.
Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.
Not everybody agrees with your opinion. The OP did an excellent job and I think the scores are fair.
I'm sure that not everyone agrees with my opinion. That is why it is an opinion, and so I offer it as an opinion. Thanks for clearing that up...
Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.
Dude there was lots of passion in that post and I admire it, just speaking amongst us I made a post earlyer in the thread that I felt v strongly about.....2 b honest with my own post I felt a little bit embaressed when I woke up this morning......not as bad as I felt waking up next to my old guitar teacher tough on my gran and granpa's aniversery morning......but thats another story.....ummmmmmm......I'll just be over here if anybody needs me.....ummmmmm
I don't react to the OP fellow. It is his personal opinion and he's not more than the opinions of those other 11.6 M people playing....
Enter the Wow bashers ...
They - and the usual sticky people over here - are in here for one goal.
To piss on WOW in every possible aspect, just to vent their frustrations WHY just WHY it is so "popular".
Forgetting it is succesful as many many many more people pay fot their gaming fun.
You may answer them with HUNDREDS of links to counter their hate. It won't help.
It's a hobby of the WOW haters: promoting other games that don't even touch the surface of Blizzard quality.
No problem.
They even promote WOW, because by trying other games, people very soon realise WOW is the ultra high model Mercedes of MMORPG's.
The other MMO makers promise Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati, but they deliver a Trabant instead.
So everybody else drives the Mercedes that WOW is ...... and they just sit there with the bicycle pretending it is a Porsche.
3 Guesses who has the fun and who is the frustrated one?
I very much wish Blizzard would publish its subscriber numbers once the game goes active in China because it would either squash rumours that the game has lost several million players or confirm them . Unfortunatly neither x-fire or the guiness book of records are accurate representations of what the number of subs are . As i ve said before .X-fire is only a snapshot of the number of x-fire customers that play Warcraft . I ve said before it could be likened to an opinion poll in a politically safe area . The guiness book of records takes quite a while to confirm so the May statement could easily date back to December 2008 . Only Blizzard can but this issue to bed .
I don't react to the OP fellow. It is his personal opinion and he's not more than the opinions of those other 11.6 M people playing....
Enter the Wow bashers ...
They - and the usual sticky people over here - are in here for one goal.
To piss on WOW in every possible aspect, just to vent their frustrations WHY just WHY it is so "popular".
Forgetting it is succesful as many many many more people pay fot their gaming fun.
You may answer them with HUNDREDS of links to counter their hate. It won't help.
It's a hobby of the WOW haters: promoting other games that don't even touch the surface of Blizzard quality.
No problem.
They even promote WOW, because by trying other games, people very soon realise WOW is the ultra high model Mercedes of MMORPG's.
The other MMO makers promise Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati, but they deliver a Trabant instead.
So everybody else drives the Mercedes that WOW is ...... and they just sit there with the bicycle pretending it is a Porsche.
3 Guesses who has the fun and who is the frustrated one?
I very much wish Blizzard would publish its subscriber numbers once the game goes active in China because it would either squash rumours that the game has lost several million players or confirm them . Unfortunatly neither x-fire or the guiness book of records are accurate representations of what the number of subs are . As i ve said before .X-fire is only a snapshot of the number of x-fire customers that play Warcraft . I ve said before it could be likened to an opinion poll in a politically safe area . The guiness book of records takes quite a while to confirm so the May statement could easily date back to December 2008 . Only Blizzard can but this issue to bed .
its common knowledge that when the servers were down in china that they drop to around 5-6 mil since china takes up around half the subs numbers.
Overall, it was a good review, but you rated crafting too high. There are some good items to make, but a LOT of grinding on useless items. Perhaps the multi-point skill ups mentioned at Blizzcon will improve on this issue.
Now I'm going to amaze some people and say that - as much as I like Alchemy + Herbalism in this game, I like Apothecary + Cultivation in Warhammer better. seriously.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I don't react to the OP fellow. It is his personal opinion and he's not more than the opinions of those other 11.6 M people playing....
Enter the Wow bashers ...
They - and the usual sticky people over here - are in here for one goal.
To piss on WOW in every possible aspect, just to vent their frustrations WHY just WHY it is so "popular".
Forgetting it is succesful as many many many more people pay fot their gaming fun.
You may answer them with HUNDREDS of links to counter their hate. It won't help.
It's a hobby of the WOW haters: promoting other games that don't even touch the surface of Blizzard quality.
No problem.
They even promote WOW, because by trying other games, people very soon realise WOW is the ultra high model Mercedes of MMORPG's.
The other MMO makers promise Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati, but they deliver a Trabant instead.
So everybody else drives the Mercedes that WOW is ...... and they just sit there with the bicycle pretending it is a Porsche.
3 Guesses who has the fun and who is the frustrated one?
I very much wish Blizzard would publish its subscriber numbers once the game goes active in China because it would either squash rumours that the game has lost several million players or confirm them . Unfortunatly neither x-fire or the guiness book of records are accurate representations of what the number of subs are . As i ve said before .X-fire is only a snapshot of the number of x-fire customers that play Warcraft . I ve said before it could be likened to an opinion poll in a politically safe area . The guiness book of records takes quite a while to confirm so the May statement could easily date back to December 2008 . Only Blizzard can but this issue to bed .
its common knowledge that when the servers were down in china that they drop to around 5-6 mil since china takes up around half the subs numbers.
Thats why i brought up the situation in China . Once its resolved and Blizzard release the subscriber numbers ( hopefully later this year ) We will know if Warcraft is still at the 11.6 million mark . Its pointless for Blizzard to release world wide figures and present . Although they could release the numbers for Europe , Russia and North America . To some degree i can understand why they hav nt released them because its really not a good buisness stratergy to release declining figures .What i take issue with is people glibbly saying its still got 11.6 million subscribers when its inaccurate . It almost as if they need for this game to be hugly popular and never decline for it to justify thier choice of game . Even if Warcraft drops to 3 or 4 million it would still be a hugly successful game . It cant maintain the current numbers of subcribers forever thats a fact .
You get the feeling some people think it ll just keep growing untill all six billion people on the planet will be playing it .
I'll bet your wrists and fingers aren't happy either. Very nice review. Quite well thought out. I look forward to your next one.
i read it all, but this is what pissed me off the most...
your going to talk "EXTREME" class imbalances in pvp in WoW, despite WoW being a mainly PvE focused game since it's start.
If you balance for PvP you f*ck up PvE, that is a fact and blizzard will confirm this.
That's a reason for it being imbalanced, not a denial of the imbalance.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
i read it all, but this is what pissed me off the most...
your going to talk "EXTREME" class imbalances in pvp in WoW, despite WoW being a mainly PvE focused game since it's start.
If you balance for PvP you f*ck up PvE, that is a fact and blizzard will confirm this.
That's one of the reasons the OP is just expressing a personal opinion.
If every class is UP there in the top 100 of Arena's, it shows very well EVERY CLASS can become deadly gladiator title (best players of 200.000 people).
Extreme imbalance if ALL classes can be top in arena play???? what a laugh.
it shows a very biased personal view of someone playing who is NOT up there in that world top of PvP.
Rather pathetic view, if you comment on Usain Bolt and YOU yourself can't run the 100 meters in 15 seconds.
You may THINK you play "flawless", but think again... others play better.
We see it ALL the time with WOW: 5 GUILDS world wide downed the last boss in Ulduar on heroic without dying....
http://www.wowprogress.com/achievement/3005
And people -though they play simply lousy - still want to have a respected opinion.
No problem but the stats simply proves you wrong: every class can be top 100 in Arena's.. Period.
Most people in Warcraft would agree there are imbalances in pvp but each class has its uses in the battleground and you play to the strengths of that class . For instance hunters are a good defencive class . Rogues and Druids are really useful in av if they know that they should stealth and go ahead and take towers ( unfortunatly given so many kids play and love to zerg this does nt happen ) . The imbalances do come out in 2 vs 2 arena play which is why i thought it was a good idea for bliz to shift emphasis on to 3 vs 3 and 5 vs 5 . As for one on one pvp some class imbalances are huge (nearly everone i know recognises this as fact ) . if a rogue gets a drop on you it most likly your going to be dead in no time at all . WoW is definatly a pve centric game with a side order of pvp . which is not to say its pvp is bad . I do miss the world pvp skirmishes that seam to be all but missing from most servers these days .
the thing is you will never get a truely balanced class system in any game there will all was be classes that need a good nerfing . Its just part of what you have to weather if you like to play mmos .
All I need is a in-game name and guild name to wrap up this review and I'm pacified......
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
I'll give you all my name/guild etc. (guild is currently a bank guild, but the achievements will show some of my experiences)
Character Name: Bublawl
Guild Name: Mascarada Sangrienta (used to be Caustic and Dibt Fakk if anyone wants to check guild achievements/rankings)
Realm: Bleeding Hollow
Go ahead and tear that apart as much as you like. That character has the majority of the things I've done in WotLK. Also, in before lolret... I've also played as prot for friend runs and holy for realm progression with Caustic.
Something people keep tossing into this thread is the thought that I think that I count for more opinion than other people in WoW... really I was just making a review, these are my opinions and MY ratings; if you don't like them, then whatever : / make your own review. Not to sound hostile, but let's quell this insurrection before the thread explodes.
A lot of people keep seeming to think that I'm holding some god-game that already exists as my standard of a 10, but really I don't think there is any aspect of any game released currently that I'd rate a 10. Also, for people who think my ratings are too high in some spots, I'm judging on the culmination of features in each area primarily.
Now I'm gonna go finish my club sandwich while someone disects this post : /... btw it's delicious
THIS must be the most intelligent post in this complete useless thread (view) of 1 player out of the 11.6 millions possible.
Grtz.
And to Googaboy: I said "players" as China is up and WOW is free, so eat up the cup.
I guess by implication that means your posts wer nt intelligent Zorndorf .
And that last statement shows just how immature you are . I guess your trying to bait me but i just think its a bit sad and pathetic .
Also if you think the thread is useless why bother with it . You seam to spend more time in these forums that actually playing Warcraft . I mean if you enjoy it why are you wasting so much time in here ?