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Investor Lawsuit against Garvick/CME/MMOGULS & Whiting
Kyriesunset
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I thought that this investor lawsuit deserved it's own thread, especially when I actually get a copy of the compaint and post for everyone to see (have to go downtown to pick it up).
http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseSearchResults.asp?lastName=&FirstName=&bName=Cheyenne+Mountain+Enter
CV2009-093004 This case is the Nedra Rodney & Robert McKell going after Gary and his companies.
Interestingly, there are two other suits. They involve work place harassment against Robert McKell and Vick Deauvono (CV2009-093015 and CV2009-093017)
I guess Whiting thought it worked with Bob Gunther, to keep away anyone who he has ripped off, so he filed charges against these innocent people who just want their money. I bet it was the same crooked Mormon Mesa cop that helped file these bogus charges.
I ran into Bob Gunther at the local courthouse (was there to get that complaint copy) this morning and his charges were all but dismissed. Bob, maybe you can give Nedra's husband your attorney information, and band together to fight the scum Whiting and his companies of crooks.
I cannot imagine working at CME with this kind of drama and the disgusting stench that must fill the hallways from stealing investor money. Just so degrading and demoralizing.
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Thanks for doing the leg work to hunt down this info for us.
The History of the Order of The Golden Shields
Sadly every thing i have seen about this game seems to make me cry. I am not the biggest stargate fan, but i can see how this could work, and it sounds amazing, but they seem to be wrieing the text book for what NOT to do.
if they would have put out a half way decent project they would have made money, but now no one is sure if there ever will be an actual product
the missing link in a chain of destruction.
All spelling and typographical errors are based soely on the fact that i just dont care. If you must point out my lack of atention to detail, please do it with a smile.
Heh, I just reread the current log of actions on the case:
8/25/2009 TRO - Temporary Restraining Order 8/26/2009
NOTE: FROM THE FOURTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT UTAH COUNTY STATE OF UTAH / AND APPOINTMENT OF INTERIM PRESIDENT
8/27/2009 MOT - Motion 8/28/2009
NOTE: EMERGENCY MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER AND STAY OF ENFORCEMENT OF FOREIGN JUDGMENT
Did the McKells actually get a court to appoint a new president for CME/etc.? All of them?
I'm even more interested in hearing what Kyrie finds out now.
Hmm, after reading up a bit on what a "president"'s place is in a corporation, it's under the CEO. And isn't Shane the president? I wonder what power this gives a person that the court appoints, if they report to the CEO, and then the CEO to the chairman. Unless the court gives the president power to do what they want without interference.
I think the point of appointing their own President isn't so much control but being able to find out just what the **** is going on with their money at CME/MMOGULs. Someone is obviously at the point where they no longer trust a word Whiting says and they want to know the situation at CME/MMOGULs rather than only being able to listen to the team Whiting bullshit and then /shrug all the way home.
The plantiffs want their person in as President to tell them what happened to their investment in the past and give them all the dirt needed to bring team Whiting to its knees. Although Gary is doing a good job of it all by himself! Gary will avoid this at all costs but may well be forced to comply through lack of funds, then he needs to bullshit some more once they discover his embezzelments and the gross incompetency at CME.
I don't think that even the great "Dirty Gary" can talk his way out of this one!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Nedra needs to contact my attorney, it will take months for this case, if it ever makes it, to reach the point that ANYONE other than Whiting is in control.. Just one point of law, before any Judge can appoint any receiver or interim President, EVERYONE must receive notice.. That would be every vendor, employee and INVESTOR.. I have been fighting this clown Whiting in court since January 5, 2009. NEDRA is way way behind.. By the time she catches up, Whiting will have pulled off his next move.. What we need is a organized, united group. Whtiing has everyone scattered all over, thinking and doing different things, with different lawyers etc etc etc.. There is a legal, proper, economical and organized way to take Whiting down and salvage what is left of this great company.
Because of the ongoing litigation between Whiting/CME/MMOGULS and me, I am not able to contact, in any way, any employees, agents, directors, officers, investors etc etc etc .. I CAN respond to anyone who contacts me or my lawyer.. All that will be resolved in a few days, BUT for the time being, anyone that wants to immediaty address the issues and have significant investments or money owed them, they can email me or contact my lawyer:
Diego Rodriguez, Esq.
Rodriguez Law Office
602.380.3849 or email him at diego@RLOPLLC.com
Nedra is from Utah, has the financial ability to pursue Whiting, BUT she has no idea what you face in Mesa and in Maricopa County, it is a world of it's own. I personally interviewed 6 lawyers before I hired Diego.. I consider him one of the most sincere and dedicated lawyers I have everworked with and he is very connected to the political machine that has influence in this state.
Mesa is like the land of OZ when dealing with the Mormon community, it is what it is. I have never seen people defend their own with such passion and stupidity, even when they know they are dealing with a thief and piece of crap like Whiting. Whiting has preyed on, abused, and stolen from the Mormon community, and CONTINUES to do so. He has disgraced the true LDS religion by living and promoting a open polygamist lifestyle, yet the very community that he screws day in and day out, circle their wagons, throw their money in, and keep this piece of toe jam going..
Whiting and his multiple wives, Gagon, Deering, Jenson, Lilly, Carroll and others I will not name will ALL feel the wrath of JUSTICE before the sun sets on CME.. Some will go to jail, others will loose their investments, some might loose their families over this, but that is called collateral damage. The innocent ALWAYS suffer when they live off the spoils of the crooked.
That is what warriors call casualties of war, and what Whiting never figuered on was an all out, take no prisoners, fight to the end, He is accostomed to bullying, manipulating, decieving and stealing from non-confrotational people, and he is good at it..
NOT THIS TIME............ Justice and Fairness For All... That slogan is written on the back of my lawyer's business card.. He actually believes it, and so do I.. We look forward to the fight.....
contact me at bob@jaffapartners.com
Give them HELL. For the lives they have harmed and players they have disappointed.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
The product is there, that or the closed beta/alpha I played was a large illusion... The only questions is, will it ever be finished?
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Yea, I am a Star Gate fan. The games concept is wonderful, but it looks horribly executed. The game resembles Star Gate but there are just a lot of things that make go "what???!!"
And mistake after mistake by CME on what to do and where to go with the game. If the game actually makes it to market (I am sure it will release in some form if only an f2p) I would be surprised, especially if it has the meat survive. The game is being set sometime around season 8 of SG1 which is now about 5-6 years about in the SG timeline. With SGA over, the Asgard that visited our galaxy dead, and them moving on to parts unknown with SG:U makes me wonder what this game could possibly offer potential players and fans of the SG anthology.
I would still like to see a SG MMO, but at this point I think it wold almost be a safer bet to break this game down and start from scratch with a brand new SG MMO concept...
Sad really, this game had so much potential in the beginning, but with everything that's happened I just don't think its meant to be.
does seem to be a bit of an uphill battle, but as I have said in other posts, I think CME tried for to many products before they even had gotten one on the shelf, sort of started doing the 100m sprint, before they could even walk.
Actually, CME only ever made one product until recently. It was Gary Whiting that decided to create a plethora of splinter studios and funnel cash into them in order to create his MMOGULs wet dream. CME had only one project and that was SGW (until recently when SGB came on the scene), but CME bungled SGW with some bad choices with the 3d engine and just failing to meet countless milestones whilst still spending a fortune each month on staff that couldn't cut it. Then Gary blew the rest of the $50 mil on useless projects for his pyramid scheme and some just plain disappeared.
This is no longer an uphill battle it's a burial!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Actually, CME only ever made one product until recently. It was Gary Whiting that decided to create a plethora of splinter studios and funnel cash into them in order to create his MMOGULs wet dream. CME had only one project and that was SGW (until recently when SGB came on the scene), but CME bungled SGW with some bad choices with the 3d engine and just failing to meet countless milestones whilst still spending a fortune each month on staff that couldn't cut it. Then Gary blew the rest of the $50 mil on useless projects for his pyramid scheme and some just plain disappeared.
This is no longer an uphill battle it's a burial!
"Actually, CME only ever made one product until recently. ", well I think thats incorrect statement.
CME have invested in development of several products, we know Shane joined in 2006, and he is the Deadlands guy, my guess is that game is well into development and more than likely has some form of playable environment. To think nothing has happened since 2006 is a little short sighted and why would someone be working for Superstition Studios not producing anything.
Next we know SGW has been actively developed and they have a working model (which needs a lot of work) but its still a working model.
Next the newly announced SGB, well none of us know how long that has been developed for, but we know its playable since this not very well kept secret of a play test of it a month or 2 ago. I am sure they couldnt create a game from models to a workable game in less than a couple of months. Game design is a bit more complicated than just a few lines of code, we have artists, level designers and so forth, so its hard to actually know how long SGB has been in dev.
The problem we all know now is that they ran with to many projects and could have in the end been fighting over who has the little money that was around, going into what project. Now shane is the head, could he be putting his brain child at the forefront, and the first title out be Deadlands, or will the investors put there foot down and make it an SG game. There is so much unknown with whats going on behind the CME doors, we are all left in the dark. I beleive Shane did mention he would make a official statement in September with what CME/STARGATE/etc will be doing, until then, I guess we are all still guessing.
CME invested in nothing, Gary Whiting owns CME and all the investors money comes through his company Garvick. He put money into CME and created all of these seperate studios. CME has only ever had 1 task and that is to get SGW to launch by December 2008, which they failed to do.
CME did not decide to do this or decide to do that, Gary Whiting was and still is calling the shots on where the money goes and who does what. If you have proof that Tim Jenson decided to create Superstition Studios and used money and developers that were meant for SGW then show the proof (which you never have been able to do so far on any of your claims to this date!).
Gary Whiting owns it all and call the shots on who spends the money and on what. He owns CME like MR Patel owns his curry house, the workers in the curry house don't make decisions to use MR Patel's money to open a pizza place accross the road do they? No they just serve curry to customers and MR Patel makes the decisions.
You should start linking facts as the wild delusions are getting somewhat irritating now, if I want to be irritated with crazy talk and denial the official forums would be a good place to start. You Don't need facts over there, just a vivid imagination that tows the "Team Whiting" line of BS!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I see the whinners got their way and Guenther must have been banned, his thread about Whiting/CME/Garvick is gone.. Guess the MMORPG people could care less someone is out there using the industry to bilk millions of dollars from innocent people just wanting to play a new game.. Of course that game would be a hell of a competitor for WOW..
Could that be the reason his thread is gone, lets see, this is a Forum full of postings under the following title, right?
Use this forum to discuss anything you want to talk about - even stuff not related to MMORPGs. This forum is loosely moderated and may contain topics offensive to some people. Enter at your own risk.
I'm just taking a guess here but if I were to put money on why Guenther's thread was zapped it would be because he was soliciting money for a court case against Whiting? I'm not sure which thread exactly you're talking about but I have seen him requesting 25k, atleast I think that was what he was doing. If I'm wrong then I apologize, but I agree with zapping threads of that nature. If you allowed it then within a week Gary himself would be posting here trying to sell his "pre-launch platinum memberships" to MMOGULs or donations towards saving CME! I'm not saying Bob is conning anyone nor am I saying he's legit in his intentions, I'm not a clairvoyant, but I'd rather not see that sort of thing being either sold or advertised here. This isn't the place to solicit funding for law suits, pyramid schemes or ponzi schemes dressed up as games studios.
Sorry Bob, you know I'm on your side but I've got to agree with MMORPG.com here. This isn't the official forums where you're encouraged to make a command to sell SGW through a pyramid scheme!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I'm just taking a guess here but if I were to put money on why Guenther's thread was zapped it would be because he was soliciting money for a court case against Whiting? I'm not sure which thread exactly you're talking about but I have seen him requesting 25k, atleast I think that was what he was doing. If I'm wrong then I apologize, but I agree with zapping threads of that nature. If you allowed it then within a week Gary himself would be posting here trying to sell his "pre-launch platinum memberships" to MMOGULs or donations towards saving CME! I'm not saying Bob is conning anyone nor am I saying he's legit in his intentions, I'm not a clairvoyant, but I'd rather not see that sort of thing being either sold or advertised here. This isn't the place to solicit funding for law suits, pyramid schemes or ponzi schemes dressed up as games studios.
Sorry Bob, you know I'm on your side but I've got to agree with MMORPG.com here. This isn't the official forums where you're encouraged to make a command to sell SGW through a pyramid scheme!
Your spot on agricola as he was here trying to drum up support so to get a group action together and I feel he had questionable motives behind it to take out whiting but not fully sure. Its just the way he came across and someone reported it.
The only people who would have been offended are the Cheyenne Mountain Executives (the few that are left) who want to get their precious Stargate Battles finished and ported to the MMOGULS before the investor lawsuits start to take action. They are very good at trying to get that kind of press deleted.
Bob, you need to just direct folks to your portal where you can give them information.
I still do not have a copy of the complaint. Apparently, it takes a few business days after a filing to get a copy.
In other news, I heard they are working hard (some harder than others) on Stargate Battles. All Battles devs (including the guy they nabbed from the renaissance fair who's never held a game job before and was recently promoted to designer!) are herded in one room at what is left of the Stargate Worlds development area. They still only have 1 programmer type, 3 artists and one animator. Design has more bodies. QA out numbers programming! Lol
And kudus to Kevin Balentine as he escaped CME and is now the Senior Community Manager at Vogster Entertainment!
Updated movement on this filing. Looks like the McKnell's mean business!
8/27/2009 MOT - Motion 8/28/2009
NOTE: EMERGENCY MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER AND STAY OF ENFORCEMENT OF FOREIGN JUDGMENT
8/27/2009 MOT - Motion 8/28/2009
NOTE: EMERGENCY / FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER AND STAY OF ENFORCEMENT OF FOREIGN JUDGMENT EMERGENCY REQEUST FOR HEARING WITH NOTICE
8/27/2009 NOF - Notice Of Filing 8/28/2009
NOTE: Notice of E-Filing of Emergency Motion for Protective Order and Certificate of Notice by Facsimile Transmission to Plaintiffs Utah Counsel / PAID $223.00 Receipt #11219572
I am no legal expert, but what does that actually mean ?
Id like to know also as this thread is full of win! YOU GET EM TIGER!!!!
I'm guessing the McNells know that CME has a little money atm and they want their debt repaid - NOW. The protective order could be anything. In a nutshell, it will force Gary to do something or nothing, depending on what the McNells are seeking. As with emergency orders, they are asking to forego the normal notices, etc. and get down to business in front of a judge ASAP.
As to the long list of other suits, it appears CME partially lost the suit regarding the building they never finished. Expect to see additional motions/filings that ask for a dollar amount.
The poor employees left at CME are racing against time & lawsuits to finish Stargate Battles to get it on Gary's MMOGULS site, so he can make money for months to come pimping MMOGULS in foreign countries.
They are too nice to Gary, even though they will most likely be jobless afterwards. When Nedra’s and the rest of the suits hit, the poor doctors money will go there instead of the few developer’s pockets.
I do know good games can be made by a small team or by one person even in today's gaming market.
Yes, there is a "But" coming...
But, given the situation of low to no pay, time constraints, limited budget and then to deliver a game with the Stargate Title, I do not have much confidence. An existing game engine I assume is being used (I do not know which one for this Battles title, using Unreal?). I would not be surprised if the Unity engine is to be used. It does allow for quick and easy game development, but lacks secured networking capabilities (ie: easy to exploit) as of this time.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Since it can reasonably be assumed that:
Stargate Worlds will probably not launch. If it *does* launch, it won't be a very good game.
No one here is invested in this financially, only personally.
Anyone that has had any sort of interest in this game is aware of the surrounding issues.
I am curious as to the absolute obsession some of you have in this. I mean, really, why? An MMO that was filled pie in the sky promises and hopes and dreams doesn't launch (or launches in a ball of flame). News at 11. But some of you are carrying on like Whiting/CME/whomever came to your house, slapped your wife, and called your kids ugly. None of this vitriol is going to matter one bit if SGW launches, the state that it launches in (IF it launches), or anything else.
So. Humor me.
Why so serious?
You have made an assumption about nobody in these parts being vested financially. I also am acquainted with some who have invested in this game and developers that have gone endless months without pay. If Whiting was on the up, there would not be anything to talk about.
The attention these days are on the endless lawsuits. Depending on how they hit, it could kill CME & SGW/SGB quicker than how long it will take to download a pirated version of Stargate Battles. I am curious how much the current investors (doctors) knew about all these suits. Nobody could be that stupid to contribute, could they?
Alot of people aren't thrilled at the thought of being sold a pyramid scheme in game either. Gold sellers are bad enough but Gary is setting it up so that his Pyramid schemers can play the game and recruit/harras gamers into the scam. If he got away with this imagine the misery it would spread throughout the online gaming world. John Smedley would do it in a heartbeat if he saw someone else getting away with it!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
IT IS ORDERED staying these proceedings until September 14, 2009.
IT IS ORDERED that counsel shall simultaneously file legal memorandum regarding whether a Temporary Restraining Order, preliminary injunction, and/or an order appointing a receiver is subject to full faith and credit by September 8, 2009. Counsel shall hand-deliver or fax to opposing counsel and the Court said memorandum. Counsel shall simultaneously file responses with a copy hand-delivered or faxed to opposing counsel and the Court by September 11, 2009.