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Crystaltears
Member Posts: 14
Hey Everyone,
I'm in a bit of a pickle here. I have been playing Everquest 1 for about 2 1/2 to 3 years now. I'm currently not playing, however due to a recent move as well as due to how tired I'm becoming of the lacking customer service EQ 1 has.
It just seems to me that someone who hosts an MMORPG might at least care, to some small degree, weather or not thier players are happy. Well EQ and Sony dont care. And so, as I am unhappy and they dont care, I'm hoping to find another mmorpg who does care just a smidgeon more about the happiness of thier players. I mean...
For eq, i've spent roughly.... 500 dollars just to play over the last 3 years... plus the 500 dollars in expansion packs, and thats only for ONE account... what about the second and third accounts that I carry? For three years, thats over 3 thousand dollars I'm putting into their pockets! Not to mention the four other players I've brought in who are also putting thousands of dollars into Sony's pocket... ONLY because I started telling them to come and play! So four people, three years... plus my 3 thousand over that same time... Thats nearly 10,000 dollars that I've brought to them...
You'd THINK they'd give a whit wheather I was happy or not... and there are hundreds, thousands of others out there just like me... and Sony treats us all like we're nothing. IF we all took our 3 thousand bucks and our friends with us when we left... they'd start caring really soon. Or well maybe not. But at least we'd be giving our money and our friends' money to someone who treated us like we were important. I mean... we ARE the playerbase... and if there is no more playerbase, then there is no more money for them.
Therefore... I'm trying to find somewhere else to spend my money. Somewhere else to lead my friends and family to play. I've been told to try DAOC... I've also been told to try WoW... I'd already be playing DAOC but I'm not sure where to find it. None of the stores I've searched so far have had it.
And with all the rave about WoW.... Im not sure if I should just tough it out and wait another month or two till WoW is out... I just dont know what to do. SO... could some one pleeeease... Actually I'd like to hear from DAOC players, WoW beta testers.... as well as some of you who've played all three, EQ, DAOC, and WoW... cuz I liked EQ, just hated the support staff and being treated by Sony like I was nothing to them. AND ALL THE NURFING! GAH!... Its almost unplayable! Anyway... some insight would be really great here. Thanks! :-)
Also, I'm putting a Poll here between the three games I listed. Which is the best? Which one should I play. I'm not just talking playability, but also customer service and the way the playerbase are treated. Are we people or arent' we? I mean if Sears has to treat us with respect... shouldnt our MMORPGS? i mean we are paying customers!
So gimmie your advice ladies and gents.
Crystaltears
4 lvl 50-ish toons
EverQuest
Comments
EQ= not user friendly (only for really hardcore ppl), bad CS (lol its SOE) , not so easy (grindfest) , its fun......if you like killing rats 100,000,000 times, good community if you have a high lv char, bad if you are a newbie
DAoC= User friendly, CS....dont know cuz i never had any problem, kinda easy, its really fun specially the RvR, community mmmmm....youll find both l33t and mature ppl
WoW= Dont know
I would take WoW over DAOC.
"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill
EQII
Requiiem, Templar
Neriak
Lug , is the character customization any good in WoW? do you just have a set number of differnt faces? or can you put differnt eyebrows with differnt hair eyes nose etc etc , or is it just a bunch of already created faces for you to choose from? can you make the humans look like a kid?
Thanks a lot guys, for the input here. It's been quite insightful. I have a few more questions, a bit more in-depth about the most popular vote here for WoW, of course the only people who really can answer this one are those who've actually tried the closed beta testing. Sorry guys, but I put a lot of money into my game and -AGES- of time and effort into leveling. Although most of my time is split between level grinding and chatting tee hee... as you all can see, i'm a bit long winded ;-).
One thing I never have liked about EQ 1 was that all the toons look the same. I really really hope that in the future perhapse WoW will consider indivitualists like myself who hate looking like all the other naked newbies running about on CRs lol (corpse runs of course). Half the time I cant find myself in the mob lol! PLEASE TELL ME WoW LETS US HAVE COLORS!! LoL that was the best thing SoE ever thought of.
I had reservations, myself, about trying an older game. Older games seem to be the ones that are nurfed to the max. Yes, I could try open beta but Open Beta only lasts like a few days to a week right? I'm on dial-up so If O.B. is a week long I'd finnish the download like an hour before OB closed lol!
Ok so now for the questions for those of you who know. It seems like the most popular answer here is WoW. Why is WoW so great? Can you sell me on it? Is it -really- that great? Or is it just really awesome because it's new? All new things get old after a time unless they are really really great, right? The whole multi-tree'd class thingymabob sounds really interesting.
The whole customizing arround your play style is really very interesting a concept in my opinion. As a lvl 50 cleric on EQ1, I was very set in my play style and the fact that some things didnt quite go with my preference of how i played kindof sucked. Everyone always being exactly the same per class sucked too.
WORD TO THE DEVS! INDIVITUALITY IS GOOD! Lol :-)
As a female, I like being able to customize my toon arround my personality or the toon's personality, as, although i never really roleplayed while playing EQ, my toons did have very distinct personalities and -I- acted very diffrently depending upon what toon I was playing. IE: Cleric was very strict .... listen to me, you live... ignore me, you die. End of story. Paladin was laid back... Just dont let me die okay? LOL And so on and so forth.
Does anyone have any clue how long WoW is going to be before going live? I've been without my MMORPG for like 8 months now and I'm DIEING here.... D. I. E. I. N. G! LoL I just hope it isnt going to be 12-15 months like I've read in some posts.
For those who've closed beta tested WoW... how is the leveling? Is it easy to level or more difficult... I dont like taking three years to hit lvl 50, but then again... I dont want to max my level in one night either... or even one month... you know?
And although most dont seem to know how the CS is, assuming this is a company with less green than SOE, all I can do is hope, right? :-)
Do any of you know how they are on listening to player's ideas? Cause I am just brimming with ideas lol. (And no, EQ has never used a single one of my very good ideas... ok good in my opinion lol! :-))
Ok thanks again! And I really hope you guys can offer some more interesting pointers here! :-)
Crystal
50 Cleric on EQ1,
among other 50ish critters too lol :-)
Going to daoc after quiting eq1 would not work imo, wow would be the better choice by far (though i will be playing eq2). About eq1 costs....1000 dollar in 1000 days, thats 1 dollar per day to play 24 hours a day, thats not much, that you took 2 more accounts...well thats your own fault lol. You could not even buy 1 drink per day from that money
When i tried out daoc the entire newbie zones were empty (besides a rare twink), and since wow has the same pvp (realms kinda) en newer graphics and more quests ect ect, wow is the better choice.
Dollar general baby yea! I could buy 4 liters of any cola they sell each day for that dollar ;-)
Lol :-) Okay after much research I think WoW may be the best option too. Though I still do want to hear everyone's responces to my last post... call me inquisitive! ;-)
~Cry
damn, if i go to pub and i by a cola i pay 2 dollars lol.
on the leveling subject, wow is alot faster (didnt play it myself, but read the boards), there is enough solo content for everybody, loads of quests (giving huge xp), im playing the eq2 beta for weeks now and as a soloer xp is pretty rough (100 quests took me from level 8 to 15), xp grouped for the first time yesterday though and damn thats some sweet xp (3% per kill, chainpulling), to fast imo, you can go to a zone with a group and do a couple of levels easily (up to level 20, no experience past that).
Also eq2 has a huge amount of caracter custimisation and almost all caracters look different (armor looks alot the same though on the same race/class but i have no clue if there will be dyes in the game.
Yea most colas cost arround 2 bucks here too, but that place I mention has the cheap stuff lol 50 cents a 2 liter. Yet they sell name brand drinks in 20 oz for a dollar lol... guess what I usually buy instead of a cold 20 oz? :-P
Anyway, back to gaming....
You see I -LOVE- character customization. I'm having a horrible time trying to actually leave EQ 1 for good.
See this is my trouble... I absolutely LOVE Everquest... I just hate Sony, Verant, whoever runs it... they suck... customer service sucks, they care so very little weather people are happy or not... thats the reason i wanted to try DAoC or WoW....
I've been -really- interested in EQ2 also, but therin lies my trouble... Sony, Verant, whoever.... still runs Eq2 *cry* :-/
Any idea if the Customer Service there stinks as badly as EQ1?
Thanx again
Crystal
I have played DAoC for 2 years along with EQ1, playing CoH til EQ2...but if I were to choose, I'd choose WoW for how fun the beta testers are having, and the inherient PvP, and story arc they have in it.
Thanks Tho, I think it's gonna go like this as far as what I'm gonna attempt to play and, based on how I like things... I'll either go to the next one down lol.
EQ 1 till WoW.
WoW
EQ 2 - MAYBE if I hate WoW...
EQ 1 if I hate WoW and EQ2 lol :-P
DAOC has been pushed into the least popular due to the unwillingness I have about going to an older game thats already set in it's ways ya know?
~Cry
Alright well everyone seemed to skip over your large posts or decided not to respond to your answers so I will try to help a little even though you seem to have made your decision. So I will keep all of my resposes focused upon WoW's content, but I can comment upon EQ2 as well if you would like.
As far as individualism is concerned, WoW doesn't have an extremely large library of customizations per race, but as someone stated before the differences each little detail makes seems to create a much more broad seperation between the other plugable graphic sets. This helps in the earlier levels for you to get a little more attached to how your character feels, but it isnt extremely great, it seems to be more of the enviroment coupled with your characters style that makes everything seem like it fits together and was more had crafted. I personally despise bland enviroments it seems to drownd out other aspects if it doesnt fit. In the long run though when it comes to customizeing through items it seems as though it falls into the same predicament that EQ does in that there is a 'fungi tuni' that every 'monk' must have, obviously WoW doesn't have either of those two, but there is always the best of the best that everyone has and eventually all high level people will aquire that singular item to make there character 'uber', but they are trying to counteract that problem with a few gameplay mechanics.
Leveling as was stated before is generally fast paced, consider it a little faster than EQ. The majority of exp usually comes from completeing quests and most quests can be completed with a group of people.
The scheduled release date is the 15th of Novemeber 2004. Open beta will most likely start the beginning of november, but that is just speculation upon my part.
Customer service for WoW imo has be excellent, throughout the beta they have not only listened to the community they asked for ideas for many elements of the game and usually always provide feedback when they can. Especially when Katricia was still there, she was probably the best community relations rep for an mmo in beta that I ever met! Now wether or not they continue to uphold a high level of relations with the community when it goes gold can only be speculated upon, but I would be willing to bet that it wont be this good for long considering the community that they will be dealing with.
As far as feed back from the player base upon ideas to impliment, you best bet for putting input was probably to have been in Beta, but you never know I'm sure they will ask for input when they are developing expansions or tweaking classes.
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Thank you DaShiz! :-)
Sorry it's taken me so long to respond, I hope you see this! I'm using my aunt's computer and its hard to find time when she's not using it lol.
Actually I'd really like to hear about EQ2 and any other ones you've tested. I tried for EQ2 beta but so far havent recieved a key. I read that some other people had recieved thier key so I guess that means that I missed WoW beta and now apparently EQ2 beta also lol. I have bad luck huh? lol.
Actually although I seemed to have heard a lot of good stuff about WoW... I was pretty well set on what I wanted to do but after talking to my dad and reading more posts... I'm back to being indecicive again lol. So yes, any input you can offer especially in responce to my longest posts would be most wonderful. It may take me a few days or a week to respond, but as long as I'm expecting someone to respond, I'll manage to check in eventually. :-) Aunt is always at church on sundays and wednesdays hehehe! :-)
Crystal
DAoC is fun for your first character. Then the content is limited and few even explore around for levels 1-40. Before the game was geared around RvR, then with 1st exp few places to have massive raids and more RvR, then with the 2nd exp there is plenty to do if you have the time too do it. Or always can go RvR. : Not very solo friendly from 20-50 for most melee and some casters/healers. Pretty much a grind to 40 with few quests to do, and not a lot of people to group with, though usually a group in the dungeon for your level. But once you hit 4-50 and if find a good group of people there is a bit to do, and RvR.
If want solo friendly i would go with WoW, though seeing these games are for a good portion based around group play (though some developers try to give more solo content or whatever bs they talk about), you don't fully experience the fun alone. Easy and FUN! to solo and lots of quests to find at least i had for early levels. (1-15).
Isnt too much class customization in DAoC, but some. Not as many items as EQ, but 2nd exp added quite a bit. WoW from what i played and read the skill trees didn't feel too much unique and/or different. I usually like a ton of classes, but with fewer classes i suppose it makes it easier to balance.