The Pub at MMORPG.COM « General Discussion 7/18/09 8:15:42 AM
I have played WOW some time now, but I have to agree nontheless. But IMO Blizzard was always quite lazy. Many models where copied all over. See one tavern, have seen every tavern. Or faces and haircuts, you might expect a super rich company like them could make a small team make something new. Or armor and robes - so many are just copy and dye them different. *yawn* With the expansions it was often the same, Same tree model, same mob model just resized, dyed and renamed. I have done 3d meshes, and even tho I am no expert, it isn't such a difficult task that a rich company like Blizzard could not make something more and more creative. I haven't see much innovation in WOW ever since it launched to be honest. It is more like the regular visit to McDon... you know what you get. (And the competition just manages to be worse, lol.)
Given the fast stream of updates LOTRO has (and they have really new vistas and models), WOW has indeed become lazy. Guess they have all the money they can dream of, and thats it.
Yup, a troll he is=) He played for a while back in July apparently, but just finished recently after only 2 weeks and never got past 20?
Kinda underwhelmed now, both looking at fan and haters. After avoiding it so many years, I played Bloodelf for 2 weeks now, and I am surprised how mediocre it is. It sorta reminds me of those cheap F2P asia games, stuff like Perfect World or whats it named. Fetch 20 spider legs, kill 10 bats... blah. It really has zero spirit or anything fascinating. I don't want to write this to bash WOW... but after not playing it so many years when all had an opinion about WOW, I wanted to see for myself. I mean, I don't understand the haters either, because it is quite standard fare. McDonadls is the thing coming to my mind.
All those quests up to level 20-something I have seen are so dull and uninspired, they are like some random quest generator software had made them. Maybe other starter areas are more interesting, I dunno. But tbh... why THIS game has 11 million subscribers is beyond me. Truth be told almost EVERY other pay per months MMO I have played was better. And this world... colours and forms like in Free Realms! lol I always felt like playing some Play-Doh game for 6 year old kids, walking with all those bright and clown coloured people with giant boots and giant shoulderpads. Ok... I try not to enter the WOW bashing choir. Its just so damn mediocre. Why this of all games has so many subs... heck even AoC or VG are more fun to play than this! *shakes head* Bizarre... really bizarre why this is such a success.
Now read this post made by the OP not to long ago on the WoW forums. Seems the OP is lying and a troll!
You are such a kid. I wrote I wasnt able to enter at the point I wrote that first post, but due to help it worked a day or two later.
I am always amused to what lows people sink to discredit anyone who does not love their precious game XYZ (whatever it is.) Or does not share their hate either.
Best you make a list what everyone in this forum said at some point so you can play policewomen, yes? =P lol
Kinda underwhelmed now, both looking at fan and haters. After avoiding it so many years, I played Bloodelf for 2 weeks now, and I am surprised how mediocre it is. It sorta reminds me of those cheap F2P asia games, stuff like Perfect World or whats it named. Fetch 20 spider legs, kill 10 bats... blah. It really has zero spirit or anything fascinating. I don't want to write this to bash WOW... but after not playing it so many years when all had an opinion about WOW, I wanted to see for myself. I mean, I don't understand the haters either, because it is quite standard fare. McDonadls is the thing coming to my mind.
All those quests up to level 20-something I have seen are so dull and uninspired, they are like some random quest generator software had made them. Maybe other starter areas are more interesting, I dunno. But tbh... why THIS game has 11 million subscribers is beyond me. Truth be told almost EVERY other pay per months MMO I have played was better. And this world... colours and forms like in Free Realms! lol I always felt like playing some Play-Doh game for 6 year old kids, walking with all those bright and clown coloured people with giant boots and giant shoulderpads. Ok... I try not to enter the WOW bashing choir. Its just so damn mediocre. Why this of all games has so many subs... heck even AoC or VG are more fun to play than this! *shakes head* Bizarre... really bizarre why this is such a success.
Now read this post made by the OP not to long ago on the WoW forums. Seems the OP is lying and a troll!
You are such a kid. I wrote I wasnt able to enter at the point I wrote that first post, but due to help it worked a day or two later.
I am always amused to what lows people sink to discredit anyone who does not love their precious game XYZ (whatever it is.) Or does not share their hate either.
Best you make a list what everyone in this forum said at some point so you can play policewomen, yes? =P lol
So you got caught lying and trolling and are now bashing someone for calling you out on it, hehe.
Kinda underwhelmed now, both looking at fan and haters. After avoiding it so many years, I played Bloodelf for 2 weeks now, and I am surprised how mediocre it is. It sorta reminds me of those cheap F2P asia games, stuff like Perfect World or whats it named. Fetch 20 spider legs, kill 10 bats... blah. It really has zero spirit or anything fascinating. I don't want to write this to bash WOW... but after not playing it so many years when all had an opinion about WOW, I wanted to see for myself. I mean, I don't understand the haters either, because it is quite standard fare. McDonadls is the thing coming to my mind.
All those quests up to level 20-something I have seen are so dull and uninspired, they are like some random quest generator software had made them. Maybe other starter areas are more interesting, I dunno. But tbh... why THIS game has 11 million subscribers is beyond me. Truth be told almost EVERY other pay per months MMO I have played was better. And this world... colours and forms like in Free Realms! lol I always felt like playing some Play-Doh game for 6 year old kids, walking with all those bright and clown coloured people with giant boots and giant shoulderpads. Ok... I try not to enter the WOW bashing choir. Its just so damn mediocre. Why this of all games has so many subs... heck even AoC or VG are more fun to play than this! *shakes head* Bizarre... really bizarre why this is such a success.
Now read this post made by the OP not to long ago on the WoW forums. Seems the OP is lying and a troll!
You are such a kid. I wrote I wasnt able to enter at the point I wrote that first post, but due to help it worked a day or two later.
I am always amused to what lows people sink to discredit anyone who does not love their precious game XYZ (whatever it is.) Or does not share their hate either.
Best you make a list what everyone in this forum said at some point so you can play policewomen, yes? =P lol
Nah...you lied plain and simple. Saying you are just now trying it after avoiding it for years. Back in the other post you said you had played it at release and just after BC came out.
I am not being a policewoman, just pointing out that you're lying and this is merely a troll post.
You just did 20 levels of what is now the industry standard in current mmos. Five years ago it was a rather fresh concept in the genre and the stories are pretty good even if they are not to interesting to you. You are doing content that is years old in an area of the world that is not really alive anymore. That is a problem with mmos as they get older and 'top heavy'.
Troday I get bored soloing content in just about any game, especially quest based games. It is time for something new, but years ago playing wow from level 1 was an awesome experience. Before the expansion the game world was very much alive in the old world and level 1-60 was an awesome experience. So was the end game at level 60. I can honestly say it ranks up there with everquest prior to its expansions, but without the all the artificial timesinks.
So you have played a bunch of games that took their concepts from wow and you find wows gameplay to be similar to something you have already done. No surprise there.
OP is a noob obiously, If you don't know how to play don't bitch about poor game design. Played WoW for 4 years seen and done it all than quit, I'm not a bitter prick and still admire the game even though it's not for me anymore. No I didn't read anything here since its all the same BS anywhere else. Fcking noobery gezz.
Kinda underwhelmed now, both looking at fan and haters. After avoiding it so many years, I played Bloodelf for 2 weeks now, and I am surprised how mediocre it is. It sorta reminds me of those cheap F2P asia games, stuff like Perfect World or whats it named. Fetch 20 spider legs, kill 10 bats... blah. It really has zero spirit or anything fascinating. I don't want to write this to bash WOW... but after not playing it so many years when all had an opinion about WOW, I wanted to see for myself. I mean, I don't understand the haters either, because it is quite standard fare. McDonadls is the thing coming to my mind.
All those quests up to level 20-something I have seen are so dull and uninspired, they are like some random quest generator software had made them. Maybe other starter areas are more interesting, I dunno. But tbh... why THIS game has 11 million subscribers is beyond me. Truth be told almost EVERY other pay per months MMO I have played was better. And this world... colours and forms like in Free Realms! lol I always felt like playing some Play-Doh game for 6 year old kids, walking with all those bright and clown coloured people with giant boots and giant shoulderpads. Ok... I try not to enter the WOW bashing choir. Its just so damn mediocre. Why this of all games has so many subs... heck even AoC or VG are more fun to play than this! *shakes head* Bizarre... really bizarre why this is such a success.
Now read this post made by the OP not to long ago on the WoW forums. Seems the OP is lying and a troll!
You are such a kid. I wrote I wasnt able to enter at the point I wrote that first post, but due to help it worked a day or two later.
I am always amused to what lows people sink to discredit anyone who does not love their precious game XYZ (whatever it is.) Or does not share their hate either.
Best you make a list what everyone in this forum said at some point so you can play policewomen, yes? =P lol
Nah...you lied plain and simple. Saying you are just now trying it after avoiding it for years. Back in the other post you said you had played it at release and just after BC came out.
I am not being a policewoman, just pointing out that you're lying and this is merely a troll post.
DUDE!! S-Super, Mega, Ultra Lightning Babe caught you in a lie. You busted!
Just pull over, step away from the trollmobile and put your paws on the hood.
Clear cut case of a troll forgetting that anyone can look up your post history.
But you have to admit it was a nice double fail troll because he was trying to call WoW worse than a free to play Asian MMO based on a beginner area on a Paladin.
Question now is will Yunbei where his confirmed WoW hater badge with pride or try and deny it.
A couple of things. Right of the bat, the paladin is the most boring class to play prior to level 20. I never was able to get a pally past level 18, I would be literaly falling asleep while watching him auto attack. Even a holy priest is more fun to play at early levels. For a more fun class to play, try a rogue or a mage, or even a warlock.
Another thing is that before level 20, you really haven't experienced the end game, which is what wow is all about. For example, I recently reactivated my wow account and went on a raid with my guild to Uldur. The first part had us riding siege vehicles and motorcycles. Honestly, that was the most fun I had in a raid or instance to date.
At level 20, in blood elf lands you probably haven't done any instances yet, because there aren't any in that part of the game world.
Wow is by far not the most amazing mmo on the market but there are reasons why it has so many people playing and it's not because it's like McDonalds.
Sounds to me like you're putting way too much importance on graphics. Wow does it right because it doesn't use a resource hog graphics system, and because it simply works. Other games may be more "inspired" but you always know you're going to run into fifty annoying bugs by the time you reach level 10. With wow, you get good gameplay the entire way through with a combat control system that is responsive and fun to play. You'll always find plenty of other people to play with, and for the casual crowd they really couldn't ask for much better.
I haven't played wow since before BC was released, but I'm well aware of why it is so successful. Despite the blinders you use to look at this game, you do remarkably hit the nail on the head. McDonalds. Uninspired burgers and other standard fare, yet pretty much always done right, highly convenient, and in general a better value than the competition. You don't need to be all new and fresh to be rolling in the dough, you just need to do it "right", consistently. That's what blizzard does.
Just trying a character out and making a general assumption about a game is not the way to go about it. I too have my love/hate moments when it comes to WoW, but to try to say AoC is in any way better than WoW is to laugh. The only way AoC is any better is the dx10 critical hits. I also have 3 level 80s there. After reaching 80 all you could do was make another toon, Their crafting system was and is still horrid. Every single game out there has their starting points with quest kills. This is to help a player learn to use the game interface. WoW never promised that their graphics were anything but make-believe. If you did not like the blood elf, perhaps you should have tried another race or alliance. Yes, some places have better graphics than others...isn't every game like that? And, is it really the game or your gaming system that leaves the world less desireable? Blizz retains so many subs because it cares about its community and strives to bring the players what they most desire. Caring about a game and a community comes from putting in the time to learn the world and the people within. WoW is based on diablo and if you knew that world, the transition to this was easily understood as far as graphics and game style. Perhaps if you actually took the time to level beyond ... say what, level 5 I'd actually lend some value to your bash, then again, maybe not.
OP Fails at review. To experience the game, really, you have to play the end-game. Whatever that is for you, PvE or PvP. If you want the story, it's better told in Warcraft 1-3. Sure, the quests suck, but you can't review the game at lvl 20. lol.
Granted, I quit WoW, which neutralizes my defense, but if you like raiding, keep playing. Seriously. The game is easy and there are too many noobs, that's why I quit. Too many people who don't know how to kill Mimiron, lulz. It's EZ Mode now.
BLASFEMY dont you dare to compare the best mmo ever made ( wow ) with....AOC...its like comparison of a space craft with a piece of crap on the floor...
Of course Zorndorf will be in here soon a post like: So your judging the entire game just for the newbie levels? You should wait till you reach endgame, thats when the world opens up and the fun begins. You can do heroics, or raid, or arena, or raid, or arena. Xfire stats show most people play wow so millions of people cant be wrong ))))))))))))
Of course Zorndorf will be in here soon a post like: So your judging the entire game just for the newbie levels? You should wait till you reach endgame, thats when the world opens up and the fun begins. You can do heroics, or raid, or arena, or raid, or arena. Xfire stats show most people play wow so millions of people cant be wrong ))))))))))))
Great *gg* But you forgot to color some sentences
Indead OP, WOW has concurrent 8000 million users all online JUST for heroic dungeon crawls :::))))) AMAZING !!
If you care; WOW 2 about to be released totally revamps the MMO WORLD back to 99% marketshare of the great blizzar )) you hate this i bet )))
For your hate OP i give you some humble XFIRE PIE ))) realtime stats of 5000000k 24/7hr players
80000 million people playing dont lie )))
Aion v3 "RELOADED" - A glimpse into the future of the MMO genre
That's not just a WoW phenomenon. There have been attempts to deliver the quest information in a non standard way, but it seems that people keep on skipping info when they don't want to read. AoC tried with the cut scene approach and SWTOR will try with the full dialog option (a similar to Mass Effect system). Personally I skipped the long talk once I read the text myself.
People might actually read the quests if there was more than a "Accept or Not" answer to them. Perhaps with certain dialog paths that would reward the players that would answer in the context of the quest and quest giver, this could be alleviated somewhat. So, somebody who just wanted to grab the quest fast could answer the default answer, while others could delve more in depth and get rewarded a bit more (it doesn't have to be quest money, some sort of reputation reward could do the trick I suppose).
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Of course Zorndorf will be in here soon a post like:
So your judging the entire game just for the newbie levels?
You should wait till you reach endgame, thats when the world opens up and the fun begins.
You can do heroics, or raid, or arena, or raid, or arena.
Xfire stats show most people play wow so millions of people cant be wrong
))))))))))))
One of his earlier posts...hmmmmmmmm
The Pub at MMORPG.COM « General Discussion 7/18/09 8:15:42 AM
I have played WOW some time now, but I have to agree nontheless. But IMO Blizzard was always quite lazy. Many models where copied all over. See one tavern, have seen every tavern. Or faces and haircuts, you might expect a super rich company like them could make a small team make something new. Or armor and robes - so many are just copy and dye them different. *yawn* With the expansions it was often the same, Same tree model, same mob model just resized, dyed and renamed. I have done 3d meshes, and even tho I am no expert, it isn't such a difficult task that a rich company like Blizzard could not make something more and more creative. I haven't see much innovation in WOW ever since it launched to be honest. It is more like the regular visit to McDon... you know what you get. (And the competition just manages to be worse, lol.)
Given the fast stream of updates LOTRO has (and they have really new vistas and models), WOW has indeed become lazy. Guess they have all the money they can dream of, and thats it.
Yup, a troll he is=) He played for a while back in July apparently, but just finished recently after only 2 weeks and never got past 20?
Now read this post made by the OP not to long ago on the WoW forums. Seems the OP is lying and a troll!
Read this <<< clicky
You are such a kid. I wrote I wasnt able to enter at the point I wrote that first post, but due to help it worked a day or two later.
I am always amused to what lows people sink to discredit anyone who does not love their precious game XYZ (whatever it is.) Or does not share their hate either.
Best you make a list what everyone in this forum said at some point so you can play policewomen, yes? =P lol
true lol not wow -eq my bad
Now read this post made by the OP not to long ago on the WoW forums. Seems the OP is lying and a troll!
Read this <<< clicky
You are such a kid. I wrote I wasnt able to enter at the point I wrote that first post, but due to help it worked a day or two later.
I am always amused to what lows people sink to discredit anyone who does not love their precious game XYZ (whatever it is.) Or does not share their hate either.
Best you make a list what everyone in this forum said at some point so you can play policewomen, yes? =P lol
So you got caught lying and trolling and are now bashing someone for calling you out on it, hehe.
Now read this post made by the OP not to long ago on the WoW forums. Seems the OP is lying and a troll!
Read this <<< clicky
You are such a kid. I wrote I wasnt able to enter at the point I wrote that first post, but due to help it worked a day or two later.
I am always amused to what lows people sink to discredit anyone who does not love their precious game XYZ (whatever it is.) Or does not share their hate either.
Best you make a list what everyone in this forum said at some point so you can play policewomen, yes? =P lol
Nah...you lied plain and simple. Saying you are just now trying it after avoiding it for years. Back in the other post you said you had played it at release and just after BC came out.
I am not being a policewoman, just pointing out that you're lying and this is merely a troll post.
You just did 20 levels of what is now the industry standard in current mmos. Five years ago it was a rather fresh concept in the genre and the stories are pretty good even if they are not to interesting to you. You are doing content that is years old in an area of the world that is not really alive anymore. That is a problem with mmos as they get older and 'top heavy'.
Troday I get bored soloing content in just about any game, especially quest based games. It is time for something new, but years ago playing wow from level 1 was an awesome experience. Before the expansion the game world was very much alive in the old world and level 1-60 was an awesome experience. So was the end game at level 60. I can honestly say it ranks up there with everquest prior to its expansions, but without the all the artificial timesinks.
So you have played a bunch of games that took their concepts from wow and you find wows gameplay to be similar to something you have already done. No surprise there.
I think you mean to say wow followed the eq model which followed the Diku mud model.
Now we just need someone to tell me how Diku Mud took its concepts from D&D and we have the whole circle of life.
OP is a noob obiously, If you don't know how to play don't bitch about poor game design. Played WoW for 4 years seen and done it all than quit, I'm not a bitter prick and still admire the game even though it's not for me anymore. No I didn't read anything here since its all the same BS anywhere else. Fcking noobery gezz.
I think you mean to say wow followed the eq model which followed the Diku mud model.
Now we just need someone to tell me how Diku Mud took its concepts from D&D and we have the whole circle of life.
awesome
Now read this post made by the OP not to long ago on the WoW forums. Seems the OP is lying and a troll!
Read this <<< clicky
You are such a kid. I wrote I wasnt able to enter at the point I wrote that first post, but due to help it worked a day or two later.
I am always amused to what lows people sink to discredit anyone who does not love their precious game XYZ (whatever it is.) Or does not share their hate either.
Best you make a list what everyone in this forum said at some point so you can play policewomen, yes? =P lol
Nah...you lied plain and simple. Saying you are just now trying it after avoiding it for years. Back in the other post you said you had played it at release and just after BC came out.
I am not being a policewoman, just pointing out that you're lying and this is merely a troll post.
DUDE!! S-Super, Mega, Ultra Lightning Babe caught you in a lie. You busted!
Just pull over, step away from the trollmobile and put your paws on the hood.
It's game over man! game over!
Clear cut case of a troll forgetting that anyone can look up your post history.
But you have to admit it was a nice double fail troll because he was trying to call WoW worse than a free to play Asian MMO based on a beginner area on a Paladin.
Question now is will Yunbei where his confirmed WoW hater badge with pride or try and deny it.
A couple of things. Right of the bat, the paladin is the most boring class to play prior to level 20. I never was able to get a pally past level 18, I would be literaly falling asleep while watching him auto attack. Even a holy priest is more fun to play at early levels. For a more fun class to play, try a rogue or a mage, or even a warlock.
Another thing is that before level 20, you really haven't experienced the end game, which is what wow is all about. For example, I recently reactivated my wow account and went on a raid with my guild to Uldur. The first part had us riding siege vehicles and motorcycles. Honestly, that was the most fun I had in a raid or instance to date.
At level 20, in blood elf lands you probably haven't done any instances yet, because there aren't any in that part of the game world.
Wow is by far not the most amazing mmo on the market but there are reasons why it has so many people playing and it's not because it's like McDonalds.
Sounds to me like you're putting way too much importance on graphics. Wow does it right because it doesn't use a resource hog graphics system, and because it simply works. Other games may be more "inspired" but you always know you're going to run into fifty annoying bugs by the time you reach level 10. With wow, you get good gameplay the entire way through with a combat control system that is responsive and fun to play. You'll always find plenty of other people to play with, and for the casual crowd they really couldn't ask for much better.
I haven't played wow since before BC was released, but I'm well aware of why it is so successful. Despite the blinders you use to look at this game, you do remarkably hit the nail on the head. McDonalds. Uninspired burgers and other standard fare, yet pretty much always done right, highly convenient, and in general a better value than the competition. You don't need to be all new and fresh to be rolling in the dough, you just need to do it "right", consistently. That's what blizzard does.
Just trying a character out and making a general assumption about a game is not the way to go about it. I too have my love/hate moments when it comes to WoW, but to try to say AoC is in any way better than WoW is to laugh. The only way AoC is any better is the dx10 critical hits. I also have 3 level 80s there. After reaching 80 all you could do was make another toon, Their crafting system was and is still horrid. Every single game out there has their starting points with quest kills. This is to help a player learn to use the game interface. WoW never promised that their graphics were anything but make-believe. If you did not like the blood elf, perhaps you should have tried another race or alliance. Yes, some places have better graphics than others...isn't every game like that? And, is it really the game or your gaming system that leaves the world less desireable? Blizz retains so many subs because it cares about its community and strives to bring the players what they most desire. Caring about a game and a community comes from putting in the time to learn the world and the people within. WoW is based on diablo and if you knew that world, the transition to this was easily understood as far as graphics and game style. Perhaps if you actually took the time to level beyond ... say what, level 5 I'd actually lend some value to your bash, then again, maybe not.
<<inserts ignore button here>>
There can be only one!
OP Fails at review. To experience the game, really, you have to play the end-game. Whatever that is for you, PvE or PvP. If you want the story, it's better told in Warcraft 1-3. Sure, the quests suck, but you can't review the game at lvl 20. lol.
Granted, I quit WoW, which neutralizes my defense, but if you like raiding, keep playing. Seriously. The game is easy and there are too many noobs, that's why I quit. Too many people who don't know how to kill Mimiron, lulz. It's EZ Mode now.
OP just reached the summit of MMO epicness. That is, managing to not like WOW. You can't be more epic than this. Congratulations OP.
And it took you only 2 weeks
BLASFEMY dont you dare to compare the best mmo ever made ( wow ) with....AOC...its like comparison of a space craft with a piece of crap on the floor...
Yes! How dare you BLASPHEMY against Blizz!
As a Punishment! You shall drop 2 nose hair tonight!
RIP Orc Choppa
Great *gg* But you forgot to color some sentences
Such a good attempt, shame about post history.
Great *gg* But you forgot to color some sentences
Indead OP, WOW has concurrent 8000 million users all online JUST for heroic dungeon crawls :::))))) AMAZING !!
If you care; WOW 2 about to be released totally revamps the MMO WORLD back to 99% marketshare of the great blizzar
)) you hate this i bet 
)))
For your hate OP i give you some humble XFIRE PIE
))) realtime stats of 5000000k 24/7hr players
80000 million people playing dont lie
)))
Aion v3 "RELOADED" - A glimpse into the future of the MMO genre
If you click accept quest so fast you dident even see the headline of the quest , than YES , the quest are kill X.
Try reading the quest you are doing , follow the lore deep.
I guess that 99% of the wow player are not reading the quests.
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That's not just a WoW phenomenon. There have been attempts to deliver the quest information in a non standard way, but it seems that people keep on skipping info when they don't want to read. AoC tried with the cut scene approach and SWTOR will try with the full dialog option (a similar to Mass Effect system). Personally I skipped the long talk once I read the text myself.
People might actually read the quests if there was more than a "Accept or Not" answer to them. Perhaps with certain dialog paths that would reward the players that would answer in the context of the quest and quest giver, this could be alleviated somewhat. So, somebody who just wanted to grab the quest fast could answer the default answer, while others could delve more in depth and get rewarded a bit more (it doesn't have to be quest money, some sort of reputation reward could do the trick I suppose).
I agree with some of the posters, probably what WoW offers is accesibility in all ranes, from hardware to gameplay.
Never played WoW but its the feeling i get from what others talk about it.