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This is absouetly outrageous how people are acting toward all new MMORPG.
slim26
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CO is brand new just release and people are literally bashing it with no compassion whats so ever! why you people get new MMORPG games , do you aspect it to come out perfect with no hicups? we all are human, no one on this damn planet is perfect no matter how smart you are, shit even our GOD is not perfect. I am sick of this mess it has gotten worse over the years of me being on this site, it is like you guys don't give a damn about any of the hard work the game dev's has done for us all!! so please for the love of god stop the damn winning, stop the bashing and the hate on games especially new release games.
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What bashing?
This is not bashing
Darkfall's epic release, that was a real flamefest. This is smooth sailing right here.
Agreed. I cant really remember an MMO that has had a stable launch and people are complaining like its a surprising thing.
Wolfenpride: <--Giant fucking sword syndrome.
Probably cause im trying to compensate for miniscule manhood.
As a community we can be a bit overly sensitive about our games but my feeling is still in general it is not hard to get a good sense of a game from mmorpg, of course some people will not like a game for no other reason than artistic or stylisic reasons and still trash a game to no end but my feeling is as long as that person was expected to plop down his fifty bucks for the game he has every right his money is going to add to the companies bottom line regardless.
As far as CO goes I've seen what amounts to mostly negative commentary about the game which usually points to the fact that a game is not going to be a run away hit (which is to say it won't put up wow type numbers) which most games aren't so it's business as usual. Again I've seen enough to know that if you actually counted negative comments to good you would find them much closer in number than you seem to think.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
My question is are they complaining about techinical issues or gameplay issues. Gameplay as in content. People have a right to complain about gameplay...technical they should give them time to get the mass of user issues sorted out.
What do you mean? I asked God about all the universal problems and he said "It's working as intended".
Anyway, to stay on topic:
I believe all of the animosity we are seeing now comes from the fact that Champions had such a stable beta, and now, after it's released and people have paid money for the game, it's having problems.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Actually they are complaining about both. Like it or not, this IS cryptics fault. Putting a "miracle" patch out the day of launch, gimping a number of head start characters, major balance changes from open beta to head start and then again at launch. Having the servers go down and stay down for a large amount of time.
For everything but the servers being down -- all those issues are cryptics fault.. it was their inability to balance when they had the chance in CB, and waiting to implement it all after the fact.
I like cryptic, in CB they were very good to the community... but we told them it needed more time, and they wanted to launch it like this... so I really have no sympathy for whats happening to them now.
Sort them out BEFORE taking people's money.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I don't know your posting history, but you have made yourself a laughing stock with this post.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
There is a laundry list of (bad) reasons why every MMOG coming down the pike get bashed mercilessly, especially on this website in particular. The merciless flame-fests should be absolutely no surprise to anyone that frequents this site anymore... granted not every negative comment about an MMOG is unfounded nonsense.
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Member Since March 2004
Most complaints seem to be about the poor management decisions just recently rather than bashing the game. I rather like it actually though I have cancelled for now while they make up there minds how they want it to play.
Never! Im just that good that I'm always winning. (Just joking)
I think its more that people are tired of buying incomplete games . Im sure the the Dev want to release games as complete as possible but some paper pusher up the corprate ladder wants the game out and collecting money even if the games not done at the release date.
well from my experience being in the head start and everything, i havent had a bit of trouble with the game. only time ive had to deal with anything is today. game launched tuesday and its thursday and they are doing a patch. i can handle that. i dont need to spend ever waking minute of my free time playing the game to insure i get every character slot filled and to max level within the first week its out.
everyone and their brother knows that games that just launch are going to have problems in the first few weeks. however, the same people that know this information still go out and buy the game so they can be right there waiting on the servers to come up to be in game on lauch day knowing full well how games play the first few weeks. then they go to whatever site or forum and bash the game as if somehow they didnt know this was going to happen and rage on to whoever will listen to them.
ill never understand this mongoloid mentality approach to games.
I agree OP, it is a shame, but it is just the way it is, especially on here and also any official gamesite when they're experincing problems like CO are. Basically people seem to expect that a game can be released without bugs and without launch issues, but it hardly ever happens. Idiots getting their panties in a bunch because of one patch, or because of one days server downtime, they're just pathetic really.
Anyway, just go along with the ride, chuckle at all the kids throwing their toys out of prams, and feel safe in the knowledge that probably 95% of the 'I Quit' nerd rage threads are complete bull, these people have no intention of quiting, not yet, they just want the attention.
What do you mean? I asked God about all the universal problems and he said "It's working as intended".
Anyway, to stay on topic:
I believe all of the animosity we are seeing now comes from the fact that Champions had such a stable beta, and now, after it's released and people have paid money for the game, it's having problems.
This is exactly my problem with it... The beta was very smooth and polished at the end. That was the game I was expecting to be playing at release, but no cryptic slid in an UNTESTED ninja patch across the board for release and its broken the game.
It so simple TEST SERVER.
If they are too stupid to throw an untested patch onto the live server for release they are too stupid to have my money.
First, we have FAR more people interesting in gaming than ever before. Back in the UO/EQ days most of the players were tech geeks. Not only did they (we) have more tolerance for techinical problems, but we were ravenous for this new genre of game. Thus, we were far more tolerant. These days we have a MUCH larger spectrum of gamers, and many of them are not necessarily that tech-savvy to diagnose their own problems.
Second, we have the oily producers such as MJ or Roper who often stretch the truth a bit too far, promise a bit too much, and hype these things to high heaven and back. This results in a backlash when things go badly, promises are "delayed", and content isn't there.
And finally, the market is larger. We have far more options than ever before, so new games being released just do not have the wiggle room for failure (see second point) that games of yesteryear had. Players will simply say "screw this I'm going back to <this> or on to <that>".
The trend is still to blame the players for overreacting and whining (ain't that right, MJ?), but I believe the reality is that people are simply tired of putting up with sweeping changes, unstable launches, shoddy performance, and spin control. How many MMO launches like AO's is your average gamer going to tolerate? Even some of us tech geeks from the early days are growing tired of it.
Yes, they put in a patch right as they launched. Maybe not the best choice in terms of timing. The patch itself is relatively minor from my experience. I played after the patch and pretty much did all the same things that I'd done the day before the patch. Taking on multiple henchmen my level and higher, still no big deal. Taking on master and super villains of my level or higher, still about the same results. If they hadn't posted patch notes, I wouldn't have known anything had changed. I'm not sure where all the tears and drama is really coming from, but it's fun to read. Need popcorn though.
I wouldn't say that the patch is minor based on the numbers, but I guess the feel is more important.
This is from another mmorpg thread www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/249781/page/8
"Here is a list of the patch changes that happened on launch day as compiled by players since Cryptic won't release the details.
Props to Goryus on for compiling these on the main forums here:
http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?t=49491
Patch Changes.
- All Offensive passives reduced in effectiveness by 66% (+115% -> +45%)
- All Offensive passives defense 66% (24% -> 8%)
- All Offensive actives changed to apply cool-downs to other actives
- All Offensive actives effectiveness increased by 12% (48% -> 60%)
- Nanobot Swarms reduced in effectiveness by 66% (-90sec -> -30sec)
- Field drones heal drastically reduced (appears to be on cool down timer)
- Field drones energy cost increased
- Eyebeams damage drastically reduced (100-300 damage -> 60-80)
- Field surge graphic no longer plays if you have PFF
- Mini-guns teflon coating no longer stacks
- Incisive wit advantage for Kinetic Darts now puts Ego Surge on cool down
- Ego Choke has added 15 sec cool down
- Pyre endurance cost increased
- Ego Stom damage dropped 33% and energy cost increased 100% (15/tic -> 30/tic)
- Arc Lighting damage dropped 50% (700max -> 350max)
- Bonus quest experience for completing higher level quests removed
- Overall quest experience dropped
- Overall mob experience raised
- Healing items had their effectiveness dropped by approximately 66%
- Probably a bunch more that have yet to be discovered.
This is in addition to things that could be considered part of the 'announced' changes:
- Regen no longer crits
- Healing on regen cut in half (272 -> 145)
- Defensive boost from items cut in half
- PFF dropped 40% health, lost 50% recharge rate
- Invuln boost cut in half
- Defiance boost cut in half
- Resurgance dropped by 66% (2000 -> 800)
- Lightning Reflexes weakened (no numbers available)
- Masterful Dodge cut similarly (270% -> 190%)
Meanwhile, the single biggest problem in gameplay (chaining knockbacks or holds to keep mobs from ever doing anything, or other players in PvP) has still not been addressed. Even though people have been complaining about it for months. Also, Skarn's Bane and Telepathic Reverberation still don't do anything, and mindful reinforcement still doesn't actually stop any damage.
End of Patch Notes.
Several powers are still totally broken and do nothing at all. The Field Drones mentioned above do not scale as you level (meaning that the amount of healing they do at level 1 is all they will ever do from level 1 to 40).
It's not a complete list but there are no official patch notes for what went live on launch day. Cryptic didn't think it was important to release the patch notes to players, which is one of the main reasons a lot of players are peeved."
Reading those (unofficial) notes really puts it all into perspective. The game seriously needed each and every one of those changes. I am just glad they did it sooner rather than later.
I agree that those changes were needed, I was showing my friend the game in OB one day and we were honestly laughing at it. I would just run through mobs anywhere with no consequence, training them all over the place. I never once feared death for my character in the entire playtime no matter what I did.
I find that ironic, considering you make yourself a laughing stock with every post. Work out all the issues before you take people's money? Have you ever played an MMO before? MMOs always have issues. WoW is 6 years old and has issues. I'm sure older games have their share too. I guess if you're willing to outright lie in your other posts, and ignore people when they prove you wrong, you have no qualms about stating bullcrap like this.
OP, the truth is some people just have nothing better to do than come on here and try and troll the forums (see above) for games that, for whatever reason, have gotten their panties in a bunch. They refuse to listen to reason, they make up lies and present them as truth, they avoid anything that proves them wrong. Who knows why they do it, certainly no reason that makes sense. The best thing is just to laugh and move on.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
You can tell none of them are veteran MMO players I mean if they think this is bad they shoulda played SWG or UO which were horrible at launch.
I am a MMO vetern since D&D: Neverwinter Nights for AOL back when AOL was still pay per hour. I've seen all types of terrible launches but I never had the rug pulled out from me like I did with this one. I based my purchasing decision on things such as interviews and reports from this site and multiple other gaming sites I was interested enough of what I read to plunk down 5$ for a pre-order. Then played through OB and the HS and had alot of fun everything I read about the game being true fighting multiple enemies at once feeling heroic as well as an awesome character creator.
I understand that all MMOs have rocky starts each has their own problems to iron out in their own right wether it be specifc power and XP nerfs or server crashes, lack of end game, pvp being broken, client crashes whatever you name it. I've stuck through these with many other games such as WoW , Warhammer, UO, EQ. However never had I seen something to this magnitude that drastically effected the gameplay in every way possible and to top it all off it happened on launch day and given the fact that the devs don't sticky patch notes you basically got to go searching for them many weren't aware of what changed until after they punched in their retail key and logged on.
That's why you see so much rage and anger towards this game imagine playing a demo of a game wether it be PC or console and you like it then you go out and buy it but the game has completely changed it's not what the previews said it was and the gameplay is completely different from the demo. No matter what type of game it is when you start messing with a game's overall gameplay at launch that differs from what you presented in previews and demos you are going to have some very rabid angry customers.
yep true!like eq2 before we didnt play then ,now it finally look one of the best on the market and works i play it
same for co its not good now see you in 2 years.compassion cost money ,you can give your compassion to co but as for me id would rater give my compassion to eq2 or wow or eve or silkroad online .
oh men how come they are all doing good and they re all old game i wonder why ? they got polished thats why !
I would say the bashing is all that bad and like others have posted its all Cryptics fault. What took me from being a pre-order customer to cancelling was the last minute change to respecing and money. In beta I felt that we were making a tad bit too much resources they decided to complete nerf money making which and in the same breath increased respec costs to the point you couldn't afford to change any decision you made early on. That coupled with the last minute nerfs to powers the game didn't even remotely feel like what I had been playing in beta. That said they have addresss some of the issues and realized the importance of people being able to respec bad choices. Still this was enough for me to cancel my pre-order. I wasn't miffed, I just cancelled. They did it too themselves, lack of info, site being down alot during early start it all added up. People vary in there expectations, for me these hasty nerfs and changes so close just made me and others pull out. That said I'm sure the game will get better with time. I may return. They did it to themselves though.
I agree that those changes were needed, I was showing my friend the game in OB one day and we were honestly laughing at it. I would just run through mobs anywhere with no consequence, training them all over the place. I never once feared death for my character in the entire playtime no matter what I did.
I'm going to have to disagree to an extent especially with the offensive passives. Playing a pure fire character in OB it was tough enough making it with the offensive fire passive and taking enemies down under normal circumstances. MA builds did immense damage.. but nerfing all offensive passives just doesn't make sense to me. Adding additional cooldowns to powers is somewhat a necessity for balance, but against one of the "core" features that this game was touting and the developers said would make this game different. With each change to balance they make it less and less what they said they were going to make and more and more what everything else seems to be.
When they put the timer on ego storm I said.. thats fine, its still powerful enough that when I do get to use it, it will clear some lowby mobs... now it appears they nerfed that as well..... again I'm not playing in game NOW, so maybe things will turn around. No the game wasn't fun to just blast through everything, but boosting the toughness curve by 200% over the past 2 weeks is quite a shock. Especially doing it without originally testing the patch? Nerfs needed or not, thats just uncalled for. I'm very surprised to see a move like this from cryptic... especially since they should know by now almost every patch they went live with in CB broke something else.
I wonder if the saloon or king pong quests are broken again... those two quests flip flopped so many times in CB with each new patch... even when they had nothing to do with the levels and missions.