Actually... No, I don't agree with your definition. I'd say DF is a very weak attempt at creating a sandbox environment that lacks much of what I've come to look for in such a game. This is based on what I've read, heard and seen in reviews, articles, player accounts, videos, etc. about the game.
However, I also agree with xzyax in that the definition of a sandbox is subjective to the person. In that regard, I'm not going to tell you you're "right" or "wrong". It's your personal opinion.
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Put aside that you haven't played DarkFall at all according to your second paragraph you state sandbox is subjective to the person.
How can you claim then that DarkFall is "a very weak attempt at creating a sandbox" ? For you there isn't a definition for a sandbox, therefor you cant know what a sandbox is therefor you aren't entitled to call it a "weak attempt".
The most you can do is say "i cant say anything about if Darkfall is sandbox " counting in the fact that you haven't played it at all and CANT have subjective impressions of its nature. making statements about Darkfall being sandbox or not don't even match your own requirement of an "definition" (that of it cant be defined cause its a subjective impression") and you not entitled to them.
thx.. next attept
I highlighted the relevant portion of my previous post in blue to help you out, since you seem to have (conveniently) overlooked it (as usual).
However, to elaborate...
Months worth of posts, articles, reviews, interviews, discussions, videos and player accounts is more than enough to know what the game offers and decide, based on my preferences, whether or not I see it as a solid sandbox game or not for me.
I've played pre-NGE SWG, Ryzom and Eve - all solid sandbox titles in my opinion. When compared to what I've learned about DF through the above mentioned sources over the past many months, I'd bet money at this point that playing DF at this point would accomplish 3 things:
1. Confirm all that has already been well-discussed (to death in some cases) about it.
2. Be a waste of money I would rather apply to something I'm more likely to enjoy at this point.
3. I'd be investing in an amateur developer with a dubious track record and an unprofessional, loud-mouthed spokesperson who exists in perpetual spin mode... aka Tasos.
None of those items inspire me to pull out the credit card just yet...
That is, unless you're prepared to shed light on features the game offers that somehow were overlooked and haven't been discussed at all, by anyone, up to this point? If you are, I'm more than eager to learn of them.
Now... maybe down the road the game will be more fleshed out and I'll see it differently. For now, though, that's not the case.
Were I completely new to DF and knew nothing about it, the "you haven't played" comment would maybe be your "ace card" here. However, since that'snot the case... well... nice try .
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Actually... No, I don't agree with your definition. I'd say DF is a very weak attempt at creating a sandbox environment that lacks much of what I've come to look for in such a game. This is based on what I've read, heard and seen in reviews, articles, player accounts, videos, etc. about the game.
However, I also agree with xzyax in that the definition of a sandbox is subjective to the person. In that regard, I'm not going to tell you you're "right" or "wrong". It's your personal opinion.
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Put aside that you haven't played DarkFall at all according to your second paragraph you state sandbox is subjective to the person.
How can you claim then that DarkFall is "a very weak attempt at creating a sandbox" ? For you there isn't a definition for a sandbox, therefor you cant know what a sandbox is therefor you aren't entitled to call it a "weak attempt".
The most you can do is say "i cant say anything about if Darkfall is sandbox " counting in the fact that you haven't played it at all and CANT have subjective impressions of its nature. making statements about Darkfall being sandbox or not don't even match your own requirement of an "definition" (that of it cant be defined cause its a subjective impression") and you not entitled to them.
thx.. next attept
I highlighted the relevant portion of my previous post in blue to help you out, since you seem to have (conveniently) overlooked it (as usual).
However, to elaborate...
Months worth of posts, articles, reviews, interviews, discussions, videos and player accounts is more than enough to know what the game offers and decide, based on my preferences, whether or not I see it as a solid sandbox game or not for me.
I've played pre-NGE SWG, Ryzom and Eve - all solid sandbox titles in my opinion. When compared to what I've learned about DF through the above mentioned sources over the past many months, I'd bet money at this point that playing DF at this point would accomplish 3 things:
1. Confirm all that has already been well-discussed (to death in some cases) about it.
2. Be a waste of money I would rather apply to something I'm more likely to enjoy at this point.
3. I'd be investing in an amateur developer with a dubious track record and an unprofessional, loud-mouthed spokesperson who exists in perpetual spin mode... aka Tasos.
None of those items inspire me to pull out the credit card just yet...
That is, unless you're prepared to shed light on features the game offers that somehow were overlooked and haven't been discussed at all, by anyone, up to this point? If you are, I'm more than eager to learn of them.
Now... maybe down the road the game will be more fleshed out and I'll see it differently. For now, though, that's not the case.
Were I completely new to DF and knew nothing about it, the "you haven't played" comment would maybe be your "ace card" here. However, since that'snot the case... well... nice try .
You have your own right to do what you want but if it comes to make comments and talk about it you have to follow some honesty.
You limited yourself agreeing on something like "sand box can't be defined is a subjective impression" and then write how AV approach is "a weak attempt in building" a sandbox. All your sources in blue cant help you there, the written ones like reviews articles etc are their subjective impressions and according to your own opinion they can't count for you. Same goes for videos etc. everyone of those has be shot and taken from a perspective that isnt yours.
Be cerefully in what you agree next time.
Darkfall is a sandbox because two objective conditions can be applyied on the game design. The first is the non instanced seamless world and the second is that factors like classes and player levels and quest requirements don't limit your gameplay content., you are free to do what you would like and choose your own path in these open world. We looking at a sandbox if we look at Darkfall. >.<
PS and about 3. i would take care not to become a dubious track record in talking big about things you don't know if i were you.
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What you wish for is different from what you will get. enjoy
This right here is the the winner of this thread. it sums up darkfall perfectly. thank you darth!
No one could expect how hard they will get beaten and how much they will suck in such a competitive game. You have to have nerves of steel, thick skin and the patience for an century and most had to found out that they are little whiners and quitters lol
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This right here is the the winner of this thread. it sums up darkfall perfectly. thank you darth!
No one could expect how hard they will get beaten and how much they will suck in such a competitive game. You have to have nerves of steel, thick skin and the patience for an century and most had to found out that they are little whiners and quitters lol
heh heh I laugh at the thought of boosting your self esteem and machismo through a video game. You should take up MMA darth, get some of that testosterone out of your system! though that might be too hardcore for even the most hardcore of hardcore darkfall players rofl.
You have your own right to do what you want but if it comes to make comments and talk about it you have to follow some honesty.
You limited yourself agreeing on something like "sand box can't be defined is a subjective impression" and then write how AV approach is "a weak attempt in building" a sandbox. All your sources in blue cant help you there, the written ones like reviews articles etc are their subjective impressions and according to your own opinion they can't count for you. Same goes for videos etc. everyone of those has be shot and taken from a perspective that isnt yours.
Be cerefully in what you agree next time.
Darkfall is a sandbox because two objective conditions can be applyied on the game design. The first is the non instanced seamless world and the second is that factors like classes and player levels and quest requirements don't limit your gameplay content., you are free to do what you would like and choose your own path in these open world. We looking at a sandbox if we look at Darkfall. >.<
PS and about 3. i would take care not to become a dubious track record in talking big about things you don't know if i were you.
LMAO. Are you freaking kidding me?
You are the *last* one to be talking about "following honesty", Darth. You wouldn't know honesty if it smacked you in the face.
- *You* have been one of the *the* most active and enthusiastic people telling everyone else what DF is all about for months here.
- *You* have been one of the main people here agreeing with everyone else when they describe what DF is like - only the positive ones, of course.
- *You* have been one of those praising reviews and reviewers when they talk about how Darkfall is - and it's flattering to the game - as being accurate and fair representations of the game.
- *You* have been one of the biggest cheerleaders on these forums for anyone posting their own positive description of what DF is like - as a sandbox, etc. - stating that they are correct and they understand what the game is like.
- As for videos showing "a perspective that isn't mine"... They show what the game is like, Darth. Again, *you* have been one of those enthusiastically praising some of them in the past as showing what DF is truly like, proving the "haters/trolls" wrong, and so on.
Now when someone like myself says those sources don't paint a picture of a game that sounds or looks like a good, solid sandbox to me, you're doing the "Darkfall 180" and say they all don't count.
Well, I see your ability to spin like a top hasn't diminished.
Next, as for another of your statements... the whole "sand box can't be defined is a subjective impression" bit. Read my post again. I never said that. I *agreed* that one's impression of what makes a (key words here:) *good sandbox* is subjective. Nowhere did I say it isn't. So the rest of your little rant there is completely moot. Try *reading* what I say next time, instead of responding to things I didn't.
Next...
I've never said DF wasn't a sandbox. I've said it's a weak attempt at one. Please learn to comprehend what people say before you respond to them, mkay?
That said, even with your "objective" definition, DF to me still rings as a very shallow and weak attempt at a sandbox. Also, based on the feedback of the many who *have* played it and came to the same conclusion, it seems my impression is pretty accurate (BTW: This is your cue to use one of your patented, spin-tastic generalizations to attempt to dismiss all those opinions because they don't support your point-of-view...).
To elaborate... Based on all the information provided by people playing the game, reviewing the game and discussing the game, in various capacities, DF offers very little outside what a player could do in most any decent MMO - sandbox or otherwise. Thus, in my opinion, it's a weak attempt at a sandbox. If that doesn't sit well with you, too bad. Deal with it.
However... since you dodged it the last time... I'll try one more time...
If you believe there's lots more to do in DF than what has been revealed already through all those sources I've listed, and would prove them inaccurate, then by all means, please share. Don't hold back. This is your chance to prove that all those posts and reviews and articles and interviews and videos (even those you've praised previously) aren't accurate or thorough representations of what DF *really* is. Go crazy! Prove me and all those sources wrong.
And... just to make it more interesting, here's a challenge for you:
This time, try to respond without spin and without misrepresenting or ignoring what I've actually said. Try to avoid doing the "Darkfall Two-Step" to dance around a topic. Try not to do the "Darkfall 180" to completely contradict something you've said previously. *Try* to give an honest rebuttal this time.
Okay... Go!
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
You have your own right to do what you want but if it comes to make comments and talk about it you have to follow some honesty.
You limited yourself agreeing on something like "sand box can't be defined is a subjective impression" and then write how AV approach is "a weak attempt in building" a sandbox. All your sources in blue cant help you there, the written ones like reviews articles etc are their subjective impressions and according to your own opinion they can't count for you. Same goes for videos etc. everyone of those has be shot and taken from a perspective that isnt yours.
Be cerefully in what you agree next time.
Darkfall is a sandbox because two objective conditions can be applyied on the game design. The first is the non instanced seamless world and the second is that factors like classes and player levels and quest requirements don't limit your gameplay content., you are free to do what you would like and choose your own path in these open world. We looking at a sandbox if we look at Darkfall. >.<
PS and about 3. i would take care not to become a dubious track record in talking big about things you don't know if i were you.
LMAO. Are you freaking kidding me?
You are the *last* one to be talking about "following honesty", Darth. You wouldn't know honesty if it smacked you in the face.
- *You* have been one of the *the* most active and enthusiastic people telling everyone else what DF is all about for months here.
- *You* have been one of the main people here agreeing with everyone else when they describe what DF is like - only the positive ones, of course.
- *You* have been one of those praising reviews and reviewers when they talk about how Darkfall is - and it's flattering to the game - as being accurate and fair representations of the game.
- *You* have been one of the biggest cheerleaders on these forums for anyone posting their own positive description of what DF is like - as a sandbox, etc. - stating that they are correct and they understand what the game is like.
- As for videos showing "a perspective that isn't mine"... They show what the game is like, Darth. Again, *you* have been one of those enthusiastically praising some of them in the past as showing what DF is truly like, proving the "haters/trolls" wrong, and so on.
Now when someone like myself says those sources don't paint a picture of a game that sounds or looks like a good, solid sandbox to me, you're doing the "Darkfall 180" and say they all don't count.
Well, I see your ability to spin like a top hasn't diminished.
Next, as for another of your statements... the whole "sand box can't be defined is a subjective impression" bit. Read my post again. I never said that. I *agreed* that one's impression of what makes a (key words here:) *good sandbox* is subjective. Nowhere did I say it isn't. So the rest of your little rant there is completely moot. Try *reading* what I say next time, instead of responding to things I didn't.
Next...
I've never said DF wasn't a sandbox. I've said it's a weak attempt at one. Please learn to comprehend what people say before you respond to them, mkay?
That said, even with your "objective" definition, DF to me still rings as a very shallow and weak attempt at a sandbox. Also, based on the feedback of the many who *have* played it and came to the same conclusion, it seems my impression is pretty accurate (BTW: This is your cue to use one of your patented, spin-tastic generalizations to attempt to dismiss all those opinions because they don't support your point-of-view...).
To elaborate... Based on all the information provided by people playing the game, reviewing the game and discussing the game, in various capacities, DF offers very little outside what a player could do in most any decent MMO - sandbox or otherwise. Thus, in my opinion, it's a weak attempt at a sandbox. If that doesn't sit well with you, too bad. Deal with it.
However... since you dodged it the last time... I'll try one more time...
If you believe there's lots more to do in DF than what has been revealed already through all those sources I've listed, and would prove them inaccurate, then by all means, please share. Don't hold back. This is your chance to prove that all those posts and reviews and articles and interviews and videos (even those you've praised previously) aren't accurate or thorough representations of what DF *really* is. Go crazy! Prove me and all those sources wrong.
And... just to make it more interesting, here's a challenge for you:
This time, try to respond without spin and without misrepresenting or ignoring what I've actually said. Try to avoid doing the "Darkfall Two-Step" to dance around a topic. Try not to do the "Darkfall 180" to completely contradict something you've said previously. *Try* to give an honest rebuttal this time.
Okay... Go!
LOL please stop make me laugh already ..You try hard to to spin your way out of these lol
I will remember that you said ..AV did "a weak attempt in creating a sandbox" followed by "I also agree with xzyax in that the definition of a sandbox is subjective to the person" in the next paragraph and admit that you never had subjective impressions.
How does look like the man if you watch at the mirror ? Do you like him like that ?
Be more carefully in the future...lol ..and don't jump in discussions if you lacking knowledge about the things beeing discussed..at least be carefully how you put things while you do it ..
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LOL please stop make me laugh already ..You try hard to to spin your way out of these lol
Pot, meet kettle.
I will remember that you said ..AV did "a weak attempt in creating a sandbox" followed by "I also agree with xzyax in that the definition of a sandbox is subjective to the person" in the next paragraph and admit that you never had subjective impressions.
Nice try bub, but yet *again*, you're spinning and miscrepresenting what I said. In this case, you're taking two separate thoughts and attempting to string them together as one. Quite lame, but also quite in character for you. You're not, as you would say, "following honesty".
Allow me to clarify it for you... so you can turn around and spin it some other way, no doubt...
1. I agree with xyzax in as much as what constitutes a sandbox can tend to be subjective because it seems everyone has their own *subjective* idea of what one is - including you. That's neither confirming nor denying that DF is a sandbox. It's a statement of principal. Can you at least pretend to try and understand the difference?
2. In my *subjective* opinion, based on the preponderance of information that has been released in all manners going back months now - interviews, articles, discussions, reviews, videos, etc - DF lacks what *I believe* makes a *good sandbox* and comes off as a weak attempt at one.
Those are two completely different thoughts. The first deals with what makes a MMO a sandbox. The second deals with what makes it a *good* sandbox.
Understand the difference now?
How does look like the man if you watch at the mirror ? Do you like him like that ?
Oh, the irony.
Again, you are in no position to be questioning *anyone* else's sense of honesty, integrity or anything else. You are one of the, if not the most blatantly and shamelessly dishonest individual I have ever come across in a message forum. Your post history reeks of complete, unmitigated BS, and your posts here are no different. Just more dishonest spin from Darth. Sometimes I wonder if even you believe the crap you shovel out.
You make these bold claims about DF, indicate that my impression of it from months worth of information from various sources is invalid because I haven't experienced it myself. Yet, you have twice dodged my request to provide examples of what else the game offers to prove all those sources wrong and/or incomplete. All the while, you continue to spin and misconstrue everything I say. In other words... It's just more of the same from DarthRaiden.
Be more carefully in the future...lol ..and don't jump in discussions if you lacking knowledge about the things beeing discussed..at least be carefully how you put things while you do it ..
No reason to be careful. I've made my points very clearly. You're the one who can't respond directly to anything without first spinning and misconstruing it.
Here's a tip...
If you have to spin, misconstrue or make things up in order to form a counter-argument, you probably don't have an argument in the first place.
I know you'll ignore that, but just wanted to put it out there.
In all... exactly what I expected from you Darth. You're living up to the reputation you earned here a long time ago.
I'm finished with you on this topic. I've made my point. You've done your best to spin it as only you can. I've challenged you twice to provide information that would prove all the sources I've cited as not being an accurate or thorough represenation of what DF offers. That you've completely dodged it both times speaks volumes alone.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
You leving these thread a bit too late dont you think , damage to your honesty is already done.
You jumped in to attack me personally and not to contribute anything to discussion after i called you on these to make a statement on topic you make mistakes and look like someone who makes bold statements and cant base em , whether on personal experience nor on common sense.
You agreed sandbox is a subejctive term and is for everyone different and then you forgot to mention to tell people that IN YOUR OPINION based on hearsay, on reviews other people wrote, without being witness of the game you making these bold statement "Darkfall is a weak attempt in sandbox". It is not fact , it is like you admited YOUR not informed subjective opinion.
You will also have difficulties in argumentation if you dont drop your "definition" of a sandbox to participate in any discussion about that topic. See you can't say anything else then, "for me is not sandbox", but "you have every right to call it a sandbox all you want", "You also have the right to call it a good sandbox because iis all subjective and i don't know what a sandbox is for everyone."
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You leving these thread a bit too late dont you think , damage to your honesty is already done. You jumped in to attack me personally and not to contribute anything to discussion after i called you on these to make a statement on topic you make mistakes and look like someone who makes bold statements and cant base em , whether on personal experience nor on common sense. You agreed sandbox is a subejctive term and is for everyone different and then you forgot to mention to tell people that IN YOUR OPINION based on hearsay, on reviews other people wrote, without being witness of the game you making these bold statement "Darkfall is a weak attempt in sandbox". It is not fact , it is like you admited YOUR not informed subjective opinion. You will also have difficulties in argumentation if you dont drop your "definition" of a sandbox to participate in any discussion about that topic. See you can't say anything else then, "for me is not sandbox", but "you have every right to call it a sandbox all you want", "You also have the right to call it a good sandbox because iis all subjective and i don't know what a sandbox is for everyone."
This Darthraiden is still going in his Magic Mushroom ride, he has been saying the same thing for over 6 months now no one really cares or gives him credit for anything and its quite funny the type of "funny character" he has become yet he still discusses like anyone cares or takes anything he says seriously, its funny non the less, and he should def keep going cause it does keep me entretained between discussions. I wish to give him credit, without him and javac there wouldnt be so much activity in this section. Good or Bad.
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
Someone drops a idiotic idea like "DarkFall is not a sandbox" , then all DarkFall stalker jumps in and congratulate the genious for this idea. if someone else shows common sense and .."oh god forbid he claims the opposite" that Darkfall is a sandbox, tells everyone why he think these and demostrate his claim. He get jumped and mobed by various namecalling from people who don't even wanna discuss in these forum but just troll.
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"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
This Darthraiden is still going in his Magic Mushroom ride, he has been saying the same thing for over 6 months now no one really cares or gives him credit for anything and its quite funny the type of "funny character" he has become yet he still discusses like anyone cares or takes anything he says seriously, its funny non the less, and he should def keep going cause it does keep me entretained between discussions. I wish to give him credit, without him and javac there wouldnt be so much activity in this section. Good or Bad.
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
I dont mean any insult, its just one of those things you have to be on the "outside" to understand Im sure you take all this very seriously. But please keep going. One other thing I would like to add is your a star already here at the office, to the point people were just looking for your posts in the morning to start off the day, it has calmed down a bit more lately but non the less, credit where its due.
In light of the huge, off-topic flame war (c'mon guys, there's about 5 other threads you could fight in) that's broken out over whether or not DF is a sandbox I have to say this catchphrase has to be declared the winner of the contest.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
This Darthraiden is still going in his Magic Mushroom ride, he has been saying the same thing for over 6 months now no one really cares or gives him credit for anything and its quite funny the type of "funny character" he has become yet he still discusses like anyone cares or takes anything he says seriously, its funny non the less, and he should def keep going cause it does keep me entretained between discussions. I wish to give him credit, without him and javac there wouldnt be so much activity in this section. Good or Bad.
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
I dont mean any insult, its just one of those things you have to be on the "outside" to understand Im sure you take all this very seriously. But please keep going. One other thing I would like to add is your a star already here at the office, to the point people were just looking for your posts in the morning to start off the day, it has calmed down a bit more lately but non the less, credit where its due.
So , when's the actual game released?
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This Darthraiden is still going in his Magic Mushroom ride, he has been saying the same thing for over 6 months now no one really cares or gives him credit for anything and its quite funny the type of "funny character" he has become yet he still discusses like anyone cares or takes anything he says seriously, its funny non the less, and he should def keep going cause it does keep me entretained between discussions. I wish to give him credit, without him and javac there wouldnt be so much activity in this section. Good or Bad.
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
I dont mean any insult, its just one of those things you have to be on the "outside" to understand Im sure you take all this very seriously. But please keep going. One other thing I would like to add is your a star already here at the office, to the point people were just looking for your posts in the morning to start off the day, it has calmed down a bit more lately but non the less, credit where its due.
Ok lets talk about your office then because you made it a point. What is your job ? What does you company produce ?
Greetings to your colleagues. What i wanted to ask you guys , what job let you so much free time to browse game forums ? I have to read tons of mails in the morning..check forums during launch break..and if someone of you want a good "bloody nose" after work, just jump into DF and try not to suck in PvP.
*waves*
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"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
This Darthraiden is still going in his Magic Mushroom ride, he has been saying the same thing for over 6 months now no one really cares or gives him credit for anything and its quite funny the type of "funny character" he has become yet he still discusses like anyone cares or takes anything he says seriously, its funny non the less, and he should def keep going cause it does keep me entretained between discussions. I wish to give him credit, without him and javac there wouldnt be so much activity in this section. Good or Bad.
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
I dont mean any insult, its just one of those things you have to be on the "outside" to understand Im sure you take all this very seriously. But please keep going. One other thing I would like to add is your a star already here at the office, to the point people were just looking for your posts in the morning to start off the day, it has calmed down a bit more lately but non the less, credit where its due.
Ok lets talk about your office then because you made it a point. What is your job ? What does you company produce ?
Greetings to your colleagues. What i wanted to ask you guys , what job let you so much free time to browse game forums ? I have to read tons of mails in the morning..check forums during launch break..and if someone of you want a good "bloody nose" after work, just jump into DF and try not to suck ..
LoL are you actually Implying Darkfall Takes Skill to play?
"There is no escape... not in this life... not in the next..."
This Darthraiden is still going in his Magic Mushroom ride, he has been saying the same thing for over 6 months now no one really cares or gives him credit for anything and its quite funny the type of "funny character" he has become yet he still discusses like anyone cares or takes anything he says seriously, its funny non the less, and he should def keep going cause it does keep me entretained between discussions. I wish to give him credit, without him and javac there wouldnt be so much activity in this section. Good or Bad.
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
I dont mean any insult, its just one of those things you have to be on the "outside" to understand Im sure you take all this very seriously. But please keep going. One other thing I would like to add is your a star already here at the office, to the point people were just looking for your posts in the morning to start off the day, it has calmed down a bit more lately but non the less, credit where its due.
Ok lets talk about your office then because you made it a point. What is your job ? What does you company produce ?
Greetings to your colleagues. What i wanted to ask you guys , what job let you so much free time to browse game forums ? I have to read tons of mails in the morning..check forums during launch break..and if someone of you want a good "bloody nose" after work, just jump into DF and try not to suck in PvP.
*waves*
Im an engine programmer at Worldweaver , we produce a 3D Toolkit and Game Engine called DXStudio (www.dxstudio.com) it is used by military organizations around the world for training , Universities for teaching and Indie Game developers , our morning chatter allows us to talk about games and news altogether, specially since im in R&D.
Sorry I really shouldnt have mentioned as if I was now, its off hours now im not at the office will be in the morning.
Ok lets talk about your office then because you made it a point. What is your job ? What does you company produce ? Greetings to your colleagues. What i wanted to ask you guys , what job let you so much free time to browse game forums ? I have to read tons of mails in the morning..check forums during launch break..and if someone of you want a good "bloody nose" after work, just jump into DF and try not to suck in PvP. *waves*
Im an engine programmer at Worldweaver , we produce a 3D Toolkit and Game Engine called DXStudio (www.dxstudio.com) it is used by military organizations around the world for training , Universities for teaching and Indie Game developers , our morning chatter allows us to talk about games and news altogether, specially since im in R&D.
Sorry I really shouldnt have mentioned as if I was now, its off hours now im not at the office will be in the morning.
Our R&D department using DX Studio for supporting their CAD applications, i see it has a really wide range of possible applications. My company is developing laboratory equipment for biological and medical facilities.
Personally like you probably would bet i am not working in marketing/sales or communications department, but in IT. All the managers hold the marketing guys for VIP's but i am seeing the R&D guys as the most important. You R&D's producing something, the Salesman wouldn't have anything to sell without your work.
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"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Ok lets talk about your office then because you made it a point. What is your job ? What does you company produce ? Greetings to your colleagues. What i wanted to ask you guys , what job let you so much free time to browse game forums ? I have to read tons of mails in the morning..check forums during launch break..and if someone of you want a good "bloody nose" after work, just jump into DF and try not to suck ..
LoL are you actually Implying Darkfall Takes Skill to play?
Yes, that is what i imply here.
Only one i thought it is more difficult and played myself is to control the vehicles and compute the parabolic curves of projectiles in WWIIOnline. I think it takes a lot more skill then any other MMORPG alone for the manual aiming instead of tab targeting. If you count in all the keybord operations (shortcutted weapons, spells, skills, potions, food etc) if you wanna compete in fights it gets more diffcult, not to mention strategical decisions like how i use the terrain for that fight, which is important in Darkfall, how is my escape strategy, how to size up enemy in regards to his actually equipment and skill/spells he is using (no level over his had tells you how strong he is and no class-detection tells you what his sntrentgh and weakness) and such, it feels easy to put is as requiring more skill then just place mouse over a special, tab target to autotarget next enemy and activate special by pushing mouse, and of course don't forget to acivate auto-follow if you happen to be mellee class.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
This Darthraiden is still going in his Magic Mushroom ride, he has been saying the same thing for over 6 months now no one really cares or gives him credit for anything and its quite funny the type of "funny character" he has become yet he still discusses like anyone cares or takes anything he says seriously, its funny non the less, and he should def keep going cause it does keep me entretained between discussions. I wish to give him credit, without him and javac there wouldnt be so much activity in this section. Good or Bad.
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
I dont mean any insult, its just one of those things you have to be on the "outside" to understand Im sure you take all this very seriously. But please keep going. One other thing I would like to add is your a star already here at the office, to the point people were just looking for your posts in the morning to start off the day, it has calmed down a bit more lately but non the less, credit where its due.
Ok lets talk about your office then because you made it a point. What is your job ? What does you company produce ?
Greetings to your colleagues. What i wanted to ask you guys , what job let you so much free time to browse game forums ? I have to read tons of mails in the morning..check forums during launch break..and if someone of you want a good "bloody nose" after work, just jump into DF and try not to suck in PvP.
*waves*
Im an engine programmer at Worldweaver , we produce a 3D Toolkit and Game Engine called DXStudio (www.dxstudio.com) it is used by military organizations around the world for training , Universities for teaching and Indie Game developers , our morning chatter allows us to talk about games and news altogether, specially since im in R&D.
Sorry I really shouldnt have mentioned as if I was now, its off hours now im not at the office will be in the morning.
Hey! I checked out DXStudio some time back.. Very nice app/system.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
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I have played darkfall and outta experiance I can say that it is sandboxish but its still not a sandbox. The real deal has yet to be created.
Actually... No, I don't agree with your definition. I'd say DF is a very weak attempt at creating a sandbox environment that lacks much of what I've come to look for in such a game. This is based on what I've read, heard and seen in reviews, articles, player accounts, videos, etc. about the game.
However, I also agree with xzyax in that the definition of a sandbox is subjective to the person. In that regard, I'm not going to tell you you're "right" or "wrong". It's your personal opinion.
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Put aside that you haven't played DarkFall at all according to your second paragraph you state sandbox is subjective to the person.
How can you claim then that DarkFall is "a very weak attempt at creating a sandbox" ? For you there isn't a definition for a sandbox, therefor you cant know what a sandbox is therefor you aren't entitled to call it a "weak attempt".
The most you can do is say "i cant say anything about if Darkfall is sandbox " counting in the fact that you haven't played it at all and CANT have subjective impressions of its nature. making statements about Darkfall being sandbox or not don't even match your own requirement of an "definition" (that of it cant be defined cause its a subjective impression") and you not entitled to them.
thx.. next attept
I highlighted the relevant portion of my previous post in blue to help you out, since you seem to have (conveniently) overlooked it (as usual).
However, to elaborate...
Months worth of posts, articles, reviews, interviews, discussions, videos and player accounts is more than enough to know what the game offers and decide, based on my preferences, whether or not I see it as a solid sandbox game or not for me.
I've played pre-NGE SWG, Ryzom and Eve - all solid sandbox titles in my opinion. When compared to what I've learned about DF through the above mentioned sources over the past many months, I'd bet money at this point that playing DF at this point would accomplish 3 things:
1. Confirm all that has already been well-discussed (to death in some cases) about it.
2. Be a waste of money I would rather apply to something I'm more likely to enjoy at this point.
3. I'd be investing in an amateur developer with a dubious track record and an unprofessional, loud-mouthed spokesperson who exists in perpetual spin mode... aka Tasos.
None of those items inspire me to pull out the credit card just yet...
That is, unless you're prepared to shed light on features the game offers that somehow were overlooked and haven't been discussed at all, by anyone, up to this point? If you are, I'm more than eager to learn of them.
Now... maybe down the road the game will be more fleshed out and I'll see it differently. For now, though, that's not the case.
Were I completely new to DF and knew nothing about it, the "you haven't played" comment would maybe be your "ace card" here. However, since that'snot the case... well... nice try
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and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Actually... No, I don't agree with your definition. I'd say DF is a very weak attempt at creating a sandbox environment that lacks much of what I've come to look for in such a game. This is based on what I've read, heard and seen in reviews, articles, player accounts, videos, etc. about the game.
However, I also agree with xzyax in that the definition of a sandbox is subjective to the person. In that regard, I'm not going to tell you you're "right" or "wrong". It's your personal opinion.
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Put aside that you haven't played DarkFall at all according to your second paragraph you state sandbox is subjective to the person.
How can you claim then that DarkFall is "a very weak attempt at creating a sandbox" ? For you there isn't a definition for a sandbox, therefor you cant know what a sandbox is therefor you aren't entitled to call it a "weak attempt".
The most you can do is say "i cant say anything about if Darkfall is sandbox " counting in the fact that you haven't played it at all and CANT have subjective impressions of its nature. making statements about Darkfall being sandbox or not don't even match your own requirement of an "definition" (that of it cant be defined cause its a subjective impression") and you not entitled to them.
thx.. next attept
I highlighted the relevant portion of my previous post in blue to help you out, since you seem to have (conveniently) overlooked it (as usual).
However, to elaborate...
Months worth of posts, articles, reviews, interviews, discussions, videos and player accounts is more than enough to know what the game offers and decide, based on my preferences, whether or not I see it as a solid sandbox game or not for me.
I've played pre-NGE SWG, Ryzom and Eve - all solid sandbox titles in my opinion. When compared to what I've learned about DF through the above mentioned sources over the past many months, I'd bet money at this point that playing DF at this point would accomplish 3 things:
1. Confirm all that has already been well-discussed (to death in some cases) about it.
2. Be a waste of money I would rather apply to something I'm more likely to enjoy at this point.
3. I'd be investing in an amateur developer with a dubious track record and an unprofessional, loud-mouthed spokesperson who exists in perpetual spin mode... aka Tasos.
None of those items inspire me to pull out the credit card just yet...
That is, unless you're prepared to shed light on features the game offers that somehow were overlooked and haven't been discussed at all, by anyone, up to this point? If you are, I'm more than eager to learn of them.
Now... maybe down the road the game will be more fleshed out and I'll see it differently. For now, though, that's not the case.
Were I completely new to DF and knew nothing about it, the "you haven't played" comment would maybe be your "ace card" here. However, since that'snot the case... well... nice try
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You have your own right to do what you want but if it comes to make comments and talk about it you have to follow some honesty.
You limited yourself agreeing on something like "sand box can't be defined is a subjective impression" and then write how AV approach is "a weak attempt in building" a sandbox. All your sources in blue cant help you there, the written ones like reviews articles etc are their subjective impressions and according to your own opinion they can't count for you. Same goes for videos etc. everyone of those has be shot and taken from a perspective that isnt yours.
Be cerefully in what you agree next time.
Darkfall is a sandbox because two objective conditions can be applyied on the game design. The first is the non instanced seamless world and the second is that factors like classes and player levels and quest requirements don't limit your gameplay content., you are free to do what you would like and choose your own path in these open world. We looking at a sandbox if we look at Darkfall. >.<
PS and about 3. i would take care not to become a dubious track record in talking big about things you don't know if i were you.
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
This right here is the the winner of this thread. it sums up darkfall perfectly. thank you darth!
This right here is the the winner of this thread. it sums up darkfall perfectly. thank you darth!
No one could expect how hard they will get beaten and how much they will suck in such a competitive game. You have to have nerves of steel, thick skin and the patience for an century and most had to found out that they are little whiners and quitters lol
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
This right here is the the winner of this thread. it sums up darkfall perfectly. thank you darth!
No one could expect how hard they will get beaten and how much they will suck in such a competitive game. You have to have nerves of steel, thick skin and the patience for an century and most had to found out that they are little whiners and quitters lol
heh heh I laugh at the thought of boosting your self esteem and machismo through a video game. You should take up MMA darth, get some of that testosterone out of your system! though that might be too hardcore for even the most hardcore of hardcore darkfall players rofl.
You have your own right to do what you want but if it comes to make comments and talk about it you have to follow some honesty.
You limited yourself agreeing on something like "sand box can't be defined is a subjective impression" and then write how AV approach is "a weak attempt in building" a sandbox. All your sources in blue cant help you there, the written ones like reviews articles etc are their subjective impressions and according to your own opinion they can't count for you. Same goes for videos etc. everyone of those has be shot and taken from a perspective that isnt yours.
Be cerefully in what you agree next time.
Darkfall is a sandbox because two objective conditions can be applyied on the game design. The first is the non instanced seamless world and the second is that factors like classes and player levels and quest requirements don't limit your gameplay content., you are free to do what you would like and choose your own path in these open world. We looking at a sandbox if we look at Darkfall. >.<
PS and about 3. i would take care not to become a dubious track record in talking big about things you don't know if i were you.
LMAO. Are you freaking kidding me?
You are the *last* one to be talking about "following honesty", Darth. You wouldn't know honesty if it smacked you in the face.
- *You* have been one of the *the* most active and enthusiastic people telling everyone else what DF is all about for months here.
- *You* have been one of the main people here agreeing with everyone else when they describe what DF is like - only the positive ones, of course.
- *You* have been one of those praising reviews and reviewers when they talk about how Darkfall is - and it's flattering to the game - as being accurate and fair representations of the game.
- *You* have been one of the biggest cheerleaders on these forums for anyone posting their own positive description of what DF is like - as a sandbox, etc. - stating that they are correct and they understand what the game is like.
- As for videos showing "a perspective that isn't mine"... They show what the game is like, Darth. Again, *you* have been one of those enthusiastically praising some of them in the past as showing what DF is truly like, proving the "haters/trolls" wrong, and so on.
Now when someone like myself says those sources don't paint a picture of a game that sounds or looks like a good, solid sandbox to me, you're doing the "Darkfall 180" and say they all don't count.
Well, I see your ability to spin like a top hasn't diminished.
Next, as for another of your statements... the whole "sand box can't be defined is a subjective impression" bit. Read my post again. I never said that. I *agreed* that one's impression of what makes a (key words here:) *good sandbox* is subjective. Nowhere did I say it isn't. So the rest of your little rant there is completely moot. Try *reading* what I say next time, instead of responding to things I didn't.
Next...
I've never said DF wasn't a sandbox. I've said it's a weak attempt at one. Please learn to comprehend what people say before you respond to them, mkay?
That said, even with your "objective" definition, DF to me still rings as a very shallow and weak attempt at a sandbox. Also, based on the feedback of the many who *have* played it and came to the same conclusion, it seems my impression is pretty accurate (BTW: This is your cue to use one of your patented, spin-tastic generalizations to attempt to dismiss all those opinions because they don't support your point-of-view...).
To elaborate... Based on all the information provided by people playing the game, reviewing the game and discussing the game, in various capacities, DF offers very little outside what a player could do in most any decent MMO - sandbox or otherwise. Thus, in my opinion, it's a weak attempt at a sandbox. If that doesn't sit well with you, too bad. Deal with it.
However... since you dodged it the last time... I'll try one more time...
If you believe there's lots more to do in DF than what has been revealed already through all those sources I've listed, and would prove them inaccurate, then by all means, please share. Don't hold back. This is your chance to prove that all those posts and reviews and articles and interviews and videos (even those you've praised previously) aren't accurate or thorough representations of what DF *really* is. Go crazy! Prove me and all those sources wrong.
And... just to make it more interesting, here's a challenge for you:
This time, try to respond without spin and without misrepresenting or ignoring what I've actually said. Try to avoid doing the "Darkfall Two-Step" to dance around a topic. Try not to do the "Darkfall 180" to completely contradict something you've said previously. *Try* to give an honest rebuttal this time.
Okay... Go!
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
"Darkfall - There are no questgivers, you have to imagine the quests"
Darthraiden 2009.
"You can't polish a turd".
You have your own right to do what you want but if it comes to make comments and talk about it you have to follow some honesty.
You limited yourself agreeing on something like "sand box can't be defined is a subjective impression" and then write how AV approach is "a weak attempt in building" a sandbox. All your sources in blue cant help you there, the written ones like reviews articles etc are their subjective impressions and according to your own opinion they can't count for you. Same goes for videos etc. everyone of those has be shot and taken from a perspective that isnt yours.
Be cerefully in what you agree next time.
Darkfall is a sandbox because two objective conditions can be applyied on the game design. The first is the non instanced seamless world and the second is that factors like classes and player levels and quest requirements don't limit your gameplay content., you are free to do what you would like and choose your own path in these open world. We looking at a sandbox if we look at Darkfall. >.<
PS and about 3. i would take care not to become a dubious track record in talking big about things you don't know if i were you.
LMAO. Are you freaking kidding me?
You are the *last* one to be talking about "following honesty", Darth. You wouldn't know honesty if it smacked you in the face.
- *You* have been one of the *the* most active and enthusiastic people telling everyone else what DF is all about for months here.
- *You* have been one of the main people here agreeing with everyone else when they describe what DF is like - only the positive ones, of course.
- *You* have been one of those praising reviews and reviewers when they talk about how Darkfall is - and it's flattering to the game - as being accurate and fair representations of the game.
- *You* have been one of the biggest cheerleaders on these forums for anyone posting their own positive description of what DF is like - as a sandbox, etc. - stating that they are correct and they understand what the game is like.
- As for videos showing "a perspective that isn't mine"... They show what the game is like, Darth. Again, *you* have been one of those enthusiastically praising some of them in the past as showing what DF is truly like, proving the "haters/trolls" wrong, and so on.
Now when someone like myself says those sources don't paint a picture of a game that sounds or looks like a good, solid sandbox to me, you're doing the "Darkfall 180" and say they all don't count.
Well, I see your ability to spin like a top hasn't diminished.
Next, as for another of your statements... the whole "sand box can't be defined is a subjective impression" bit. Read my post again. I never said that. I *agreed* that one's impression of what makes a (key words here:) *good sandbox* is subjective. Nowhere did I say it isn't. So the rest of your little rant there is completely moot. Try *reading* what I say next time, instead of responding to things I didn't.
Next...
I've never said DF wasn't a sandbox. I've said it's a weak attempt at one. Please learn to comprehend what people say before you respond to them, mkay?
That said, even with your "objective" definition, DF to me still rings as a very shallow and weak attempt at a sandbox. Also, based on the feedback of the many who *have* played it and came to the same conclusion, it seems my impression is pretty accurate (BTW: This is your cue to use one of your patented, spin-tastic generalizations to attempt to dismiss all those opinions because they don't support your point-of-view...).
To elaborate... Based on all the information provided by people playing the game, reviewing the game and discussing the game, in various capacities, DF offers very little outside what a player could do in most any decent MMO - sandbox or otherwise. Thus, in my opinion, it's a weak attempt at a sandbox. If that doesn't sit well with you, too bad. Deal with it.
However... since you dodged it the last time... I'll try one more time...
If you believe there's lots more to do in DF than what has been revealed already through all those sources I've listed, and would prove them inaccurate, then by all means, please share. Don't hold back. This is your chance to prove that all those posts and reviews and articles and interviews and videos (even those you've praised previously) aren't accurate or thorough representations of what DF *really* is. Go crazy! Prove me and all those sources wrong.
And... just to make it more interesting, here's a challenge for you:
This time, try to respond without spin and without misrepresenting or ignoring what I've actually said. Try to avoid doing the "Darkfall Two-Step" to dance around a topic. Try not to do the "Darkfall 180" to completely contradict something you've said previously. *Try* to give an honest rebuttal this time.
Okay... Go!
LOL please stop make me laugh already ..You try hard to to spin your way out of these lol
I will remember that you said ..AV did "a weak attempt in creating a sandbox" followed by "I also agree with xzyax in that the definition of a sandbox is subjective to the person" in the next paragraph and admit that you never had subjective impressions.
How does look like the man if you watch at the mirror ? Do you like him like that ?
Be more carefully in the future...lol ..and don't jump in discussions if you lacking knowledge about the things beeing discussed..at least be carefully how you put things while you do it ..
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
"Darkfall - It's so hardcore and amazing that you spend all your time on mmorpg.com saying how brilliant it is instead of actually playing it"
LOL please stop make me laugh already ..You try hard to to spin your way out of these lol
Pot, meet kettle.
I will remember that you said ..AV did "a weak attempt in creating a sandbox" followed by "I also agree with xzyax in that the definition of a sandbox is subjective to the person" in the next paragraph and admit that you never had subjective impressions.
Nice try bub, but yet *again*, you're spinning and miscrepresenting what I said. In this case, you're taking two separate thoughts and attempting to string them together as one. Quite lame, but also quite in character for you. You're not, as you would say, "following honesty".
Allow me to clarify it for you... so you can turn around and spin it some other way, no doubt...
1. I agree with xyzax in as much as what constitutes a sandbox can tend to be subjective because it seems everyone has their own *subjective* idea of what one is - including you. That's neither confirming nor denying that DF is a sandbox. It's a statement of principal. Can you at least pretend to try and understand the difference?
2. In my *subjective* opinion, based on the preponderance of information that has been released in all manners going back months now - interviews, articles, discussions, reviews, videos, etc - DF lacks what *I believe* makes a *good sandbox* and comes off as a weak attempt at one.
Those are two completely different thoughts. The first deals with what makes a MMO a sandbox. The second deals with what makes it a *good* sandbox.
Understand the difference now?
How does look like the man if you watch at the mirror ? Do you like him like that ?
Oh, the irony.
Again, you are in no position to be questioning *anyone* else's sense of honesty, integrity or anything else. You are one of the, if not the most blatantly and shamelessly dishonest individual I have ever come across in a message forum. Your post history reeks of complete, unmitigated BS, and your posts here are no different. Just more dishonest spin from Darth. Sometimes I wonder if even you believe the crap you shovel out.
You make these bold claims about DF, indicate that my impression of it from months worth of information from various sources is invalid because I haven't experienced it myself. Yet, you have twice dodged my request to provide examples of what else the game offers to prove all those sources wrong and/or incomplete. All the while, you continue to spin and misconstrue everything I say. In other words... It's just more of the same from DarthRaiden.
Be more carefully in the future...lol ..and don't jump in discussions if you lacking knowledge about the things beeing discussed..at least be carefully how you put things while you do it ..
No reason to be careful. I've made my points very clearly. You're the one who can't respond directly to anything without first spinning and misconstruing it.
Here's a tip...
If you have to spin, misconstrue or make things up in order to form a counter-argument, you probably don't have an argument in the first place.
I know you'll ignore that, but just wanted to put it out there.
In all... exactly what I expected from you Darth. You're living up to the reputation you earned here a long time ago.
I'm finished with you on this topic. I've made my point. You've done your best to spin it as only you can. I've challenged you twice to provide information that would prove all the sources I've cited as not being an accurate or thorough represenation of what DF offers. That you've completely dodged it both times speaks volumes alone.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
You leving these thread a bit too late dont you think , damage to your honesty is already done.
You jumped in to attack me personally and not to contribute anything to discussion after i called you on these to make a statement on topic you make mistakes and look like someone who makes bold statements and cant base em , whether on personal experience nor on common sense.
You agreed sandbox is a subejctive term and is for everyone different and then you forgot to mention to tell people that IN YOUR OPINION based on hearsay, on reviews other people wrote, without being witness of the game you making these bold statement "Darkfall is a weak attempt in sandbox". It is not fact , it is like you admited YOUR not informed subjective opinion.
You will also have difficulties in argumentation if you dont drop your "definition" of a sandbox to participate in any discussion about that topic. See you can't say anything else then, "for me is not sandbox", but "you have every right to call it a sandbox all you want", "You also have the right to call it a good sandbox because iis all subjective and i don't know what a sandbox is for everyone."
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
The catchphrase for the above post is "EMORAGE"
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
Someone drops a idiotic idea like "DarkFall is not a sandbox" , then all DarkFall stalker jumps in and congratulate the genious for this idea. if someone else shows common sense and .."oh god forbid he claims the opposite" that Darkfall is a sandbox, tells everyone why he think these and demostrate his claim. He get jumped and mobed by various namecalling from people who don't even wanna discuss in these forum but just troll.
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Catchphrase for Darkfall
" Pay to Beta Test "
"There is no escape... not in this life... not in the next..."
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
I dont mean any insult, its just one of those things you have to be on the "outside" to understand Im sure you take all this very seriously. But please keep going. One other thing I would like to add is your a star already here at the office, to the point people were just looking for your posts in the morning to start off the day, it has calmed down a bit more lately but non the less, credit where its due.
In light of the huge, off-topic flame war (c'mon guys, there's about 5 other threads you could fight in) that's broken out over whether or not DF is a sandbox I have to say this catchphrase has to be declared the winner of the contest.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
I dont mean any insult, its just one of those things you have to be on the "outside" to understand Im sure you take all this very seriously. But please keep going. One other thing I would like to add is your a star already here at the office, to the point people were just looking for your posts in the morning to start off the day, it has calmed down a bit more lately but non the less, credit where its due.
So , when's the actual game released?
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"There is no escape... not in this life... not in the next..."
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
I dont mean any insult, its just one of those things you have to be on the "outside" to understand Im sure you take all this very seriously. But please keep going. One other thing I would like to add is your a star already here at the office, to the point people were just looking for your posts in the morning to start off the day, it has calmed down a bit more lately but non the less, credit where its due.
Ok lets talk about your office then because you made it a point. What is your job ? What does you company produce ?
Greetings to your colleagues. What i wanted to ask you guys , what job let you so much free time to browse game forums ? I have to read tons of mails in the morning..check forums during launch break..and if someone of you want a good "bloody nose" after work, just jump into DF and try not to suck in PvP.
*waves*
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
I dont mean any insult, its just one of those things you have to be on the "outside" to understand Im sure you take all this very seriously. But please keep going. One other thing I would like to add is your a star already here at the office, to the point people were just looking for your posts in the morning to start off the day, it has calmed down a bit more lately but non the less, credit where its due.
Ok lets talk about your office then because you made it a point. What is your job ? What does you company produce ?
Greetings to your colleagues. What i wanted to ask you guys , what job let you so much free time to browse game forums ? I have to read tons of mails in the morning..check forums during launch break..and if someone of you want a good "bloody nose" after work, just jump into DF and try not to suck ..
LoL are you actually Implying Darkfall Takes Skill to play?
"There is no escape... not in this life... not in the next..."
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
I dont mean any insult, its just one of those things you have to be on the "outside" to understand Im sure you take all this very seriously. But please keep going. One other thing I would like to add is your a star already here at the office, to the point people were just looking for your posts in the morning to start off the day, it has calmed down a bit more lately but non the less, credit where its due.
Ok lets talk about your office then because you made it a point. What is your job ? What does you company produce ?
Greetings to your colleagues. What i wanted to ask you guys , what job let you so much free time to browse game forums ? I have to read tons of mails in the morning..check forums during launch break..and if someone of you want a good "bloody nose" after work, just jump into DF and try not to suck in PvP.
*waves*
Im an engine programmer at Worldweaver , we produce a 3D Toolkit and Game Engine called DXStudio (www.dxstudio.com) it is used by military organizations around the world for training , Universities for teaching and Indie Game developers , our morning chatter allows us to talk about games and news altogether, specially since im in R&D.
Sorry I really shouldnt have mentioned as if I was now, its off hours now im not at the office will be in the morning.
Im an engine programmer at Worldweaver , we produce a 3D Toolkit and Game Engine called DXStudio (www.dxstudio.com) it is used by military organizations around the world for training , Universities for teaching and Indie Game developers , our morning chatter allows us to talk about games and news altogether, specially since im in R&D.
Sorry I really shouldnt have mentioned as if I was now, its off hours now im not at the office will be in the morning.
Our R&D department using DX Studio for supporting their CAD applications, i see it has a really wide range of possible applications. My company is developing laboratory equipment for biological and medical facilities.
Personally like you probably would bet i am not working in marketing/sales or communications department, but in IT. All the managers hold the marketing guys for VIP's but i am seeing the R&D guys as the most important. You R&D's producing something, the Salesman wouldn't have anything to sell without your work.
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
LoL are you actually Implying Darkfall Takes Skill to play?
Yes, that is what i imply here.
Only one i thought it is more difficult and played myself is to control the vehicles and compute the parabolic curves of projectiles in WWIIOnline. I think it takes a lot more skill then any other MMORPG alone for the manual aiming instead of tab targeting. If you count in all the keybord operations (shortcutted weapons, spells, skills, potions, food etc) if you wanna compete in fights it gets more diffcult, not to mention strategical decisions like how i use the terrain for that fight, which is important in Darkfall, how is my escape strategy, how to size up enemy in regards to his actually equipment and skill/spells he is using (no level over his had tells you how strong he is and no class-detection tells you what his sntrentgh and weakness) and such, it feels easy to put is as requiring more skill then just place mouse over a special, tab target to autotarget next enemy and activate special by pushing mouse, and of course don't forget to acivate auto-follow if you happen to be mellee class.
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
wau, such a mobing post for just me demostrating that DarkFall is a sandbox.
Many of the haters lost a case here with "DarkFall being vapor". Now they have "Darkfall is not a sandbox" on their agenda.
Its funny how they always being proven wrong and still they come back with even more weird claims and their insults.
I dont mean any insult, its just one of those things you have to be on the "outside" to understand Im sure you take all this very seriously. But please keep going. One other thing I would like to add is your a star already here at the office, to the point people were just looking for your posts in the morning to start off the day, it has calmed down a bit more lately but non the less, credit where its due.
Ok lets talk about your office then because you made it a point. What is your job ? What does you company produce ?
Greetings to your colleagues. What i wanted to ask you guys , what job let you so much free time to browse game forums ? I have to read tons of mails in the morning..check forums during launch break..and if someone of you want a good "bloody nose" after work, just jump into DF and try not to suck in PvP.
*waves*
Im an engine programmer at Worldweaver , we produce a 3D Toolkit and Game Engine called DXStudio (www.dxstudio.com) it is used by military organizations around the world for training , Universities for teaching and Indie Game developers , our morning chatter allows us to talk about games and news altogether, specially since im in R&D.
Sorry I really shouldnt have mentioned as if I was now, its off hours now im not at the office will be in the morning.
Hey! I checked out DXStudio some time back.. Very nice app/system.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops