Females, natural born caretakers. Males, natural born...(?)

Inzra

As I've been writing in this thread www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/250249/What-if-your-character-had-a-will-of-its-own.html I thought that the idea of having a character with it's own will perhaps would be especially appealing to females rather than males. Why?

I've been under the impression that female players - generally (!) - would prefer games like SIMS, in mmo's they would choose pet classes and healers.

Because with a char with it's own will, you'd have to to some extent "take care" of this misguided pixel individial. In SIMS you have to make sure all needs are fullfilled. The pet classes have to, in some games anyway, nurture and take care of their pet, the healers have to take care of the group. So caretakers all the way.

It's my impression from real life that women don't tend to go for the leader position not because they are stupid or incompetent but because they choose more often the "caretaker" path, having children, working as nurses, working within a healthcare/ welfare system, taking care of the home.

Before you girls start to kick my groin for being stereotyped, - yes I understand some girls might like to gank and play backstabber, but it's my impressions there isn't alot of them, maybe I'm wrong who knows.

 

But if (!) females really have a part of them urging to be caretakers, then what is the role of the male? Conquerer? Leader? Plain selfish?  I haven't figured this one out yet...

 

daeandor

Village idiots.

 

but women have started to devolve in that direction also...

Pyrich

Even in the sterotype images they both play the role of caregiver,  just different perceptions.

 

 

Unless they can be well rounded do it alls like The Hulk.

 

frodus

The woman lives longer than the man...

Tinagame

 

Yes us gals do fall into the caretaker roll (its the way we are made); however, we do play warriors, mages, rogues...ect. to both fulfill our fantasy of kicking butt and lets face it, our guy friends need the help.

Guys are protectors and breadwinners of the old family unit. (our modern age has changed the natural roles in society) So they naturally lean toward these roles. (Paladins, warriors/knights, mages, rogues ...etc) However, there are guys who like to get in touch with their nurturing side and play healers, any class with pets. They enjoy keeping their buddies strong in a fight with heals and backup support.

Zindaihas

Originally posted by Tinagame


 
Yes us gals do fall into the caretaker roll (its the way we are made); however, we do play warriors, mages, rogues...ect. to both fulfill our fantasy of kicking butt and lets face it, our guy friends need the help.
Guys are protectors and breadwinners of the old family unit. (our modern age has changed the natural roles in society) So they naturally lean toward these roles. (Paladins, warriors/knights, mages, rogues ...etc) However, there are guys who like to get in touch with their nurturing side and play healers, any class with pets. They enjoy keeping their buddies strong in a fight with heals and backup support.

 

My main charater in EQ was a ranger.  Rangers have the ability to both pound mobs into dust and to assist their friends.  Does that make me a metrosexual?

bluhoteyes

Well I for one am female and very rarely use healers and such in gaming   Maybe I need to start doing that more LOL   I say in gaming one can be who they want to be and some females aren't driven toward healing, but maybe nature where things look colorful and such .  

 

wolfenpride when i was younger i would have taken offense to what you say as I have always done everything in my household including providing for my family . Don't be so stereotypical there is men that act just like you are saying too:) 

Chiram

bleh

milesosmiles

well back when I played WoW with my girl, she played a Warrior and i played a Holy Priest, and on top of that I knew many women who liked to play the facesmashing classes, so I wouldn't say women lean to "caretaking" professions in games, based on my experience.

also, referring to girls as "caretakers" probably wont go down well with them :P (certainly won't get you laid anytime soon)

Illius

Originally posted by milesosmiles


well back when I played WoW with my girl, she played a Warrior and i played a Holy Priest, and on top of that I knew many women who liked to play the facesmashing classes, so I wouldn't say women lean to "caretaking" professions in games, based on my experience.
also, referring to girls as "caretakers" probably wont go down well with them :P (certainly won't get you laid anytime soon)

  That is all.

bluhoteyes

More or less yeah they are the caretakers but take a look at every major invention in the last 300 years... actually better yet, take a look at every major invention since they got "equal" rights. How much actual contribution do you see? nearly nothing.

 

Do your history Chiram and you will see the first computer programmer was just what you say lacks in contribution:)lol

Inzra

Originally posted by milesosmiles


well back when I played WoW with my girl, she played a Warrior and i played a Holy Priest, and on top of that I knew many women who liked to play the facesmashing classes, so I wouldn't say women lean to "caretaking" professions in games, based on my experience.
also, referring to girls as "caretakers" probably wont go down well with them :P (certainly won't get you laid anytime soon)

But maybe your girl had her caretaking urge (if any) satisfied in real life?

Still seems to me like most girls are more interested in having babies to take care of, while men will rather have offspring to strengthen themselves or their "heritage", or not have kids at all.

Nowadays in the western world it's kinda difficult to see sometimes, but in harsh living conditions the gender roles tend to break out of political correctness.

 

CactusmanX

Originally posted by Chiram
More or less yeah they are the caretakers but take a look at every major invention in the last 300 years... actually better yet, take a look at every major invention since they got "equal" rights. How much actual contribution do you see? nearly nothing.

 

Marie Curie

outfctrl

I would have to agree.  Here is an example.

I play WoW with this woman for about a year.  She was a priest and I was a warrior.  She always made sure I was taken cared for.  She took Alchemy to make me potions, bought me better armor and always found the best stuff to keep me alive.  Thats the way she liked to play.

Now, when she came over to my house, she would always clean it, bring me food and took care of my plumbing.

When I got sick, she would bring me hot soup, made sure I was set with everything before she left my place.

She became so clingy I had to tell her no more and broke up with her...LOL  She was a good person though.

Lansid

 The whole "will of their own" thing makes me think back to the Matrix and how it can be applied to avatar vs. controller.

Choice is an illusion... so one could say avatars already do have a free will, but the reason they choose to say or do things is already pre-destined by the one who controls them.

bluhoteyes

Very well said lansid:)

reikalee

Inzra does have a point though. Even with the modernization of society, women still tend to be the more caring of the two genders and have strong maternal instincts.

Back when I played Ragnarok Online, I noticed that many of the female gamers chose the Priest class. Next was the hunter class. There were less female knights and blacksmiths. And if there were, they were most likely gender-fakers.

I'm a girl but I normally choose the melee types. Although I have a Priest in Ragnarok Online, I was much better as a Spear Knight.

Cheers to everyone! ^^

Delovely

Originally posted by Chiram


 Well if its anything like my work place, women fit very well in the role of drama queens. The guys are out getting production done while most of the women are in the office and complaining about how hard their job is, 8 hour days with a 1 hr lunch break behind a desk. Try being in a manager position, if the work is even remotely hard all the ladies start to back away slowly.
 
More or less yeah they are the caretakers but take a look at every major invention in the last 300 years... actually better yet, take a look at every major invention since they got "equal" rights. How much actual contribution do you see? nearly nothing.
 
Men can be placed in any roll at any time, we don't complain about every small detail... we get shit done and that's the bottom line. Men die thinking "shit yeah I did what I was meant to do", Women die thinking " I didnt get what I wanted out of life".
 
Dr Oz said it best on Oprah, women are naturally inclined to care but it's out of their own need to care. Almost all actions women make in life are entirely for their benefit. They have kids because they "want" kids like their sisters or best friends and they feel empty if they don't. Whereis a man will have a child because he wants to raise one, teach them the real ways of life and could care less about what other people think.
 
 

 

Yes, you are right...your mother didnt contribute a lot by you here; you sound terrible

I know that infact I value my mom a lot for the things she contributed to MY life and certainly that of others too...sadly she is in bad health because she worked far too long, cared far too much and worries too much about it now

My dad on the other hand is a stubborn idiot who thought getting children wasnt his responsibility except for the marginal financial additions he did and while I still invest a little to make him enjoy HIS life ( By taking him out for dinner on my birthday) he remains self-centred and doesnt bulge

Its that short-sighted selfishness, basically unflexible that I really see a lot in men, including on the internets

 

Luckly I see myself as more of an ambigious person who doesnt value gender or its supposed qualities so muhc, its very trivial to me

 

 

Techleo

    As my mother dies I'm faced with the reality people do tend to fit into stereotypes but they also tend to break under pressure. Under ideal family circumstances most women I know are indeed caretakers but the way they presue the caring differs from person to person. My mother was wonderfully independent in her youth. Shed see to it we had what we need but she also made sure we were willing to work. Sadly as she wastes away under the stress of disease and a second divorces she is selfish and desperate for attention...

 

Delovely

Originally posted by Techleo


    As my mother dies I'm faced with the reality people do tend to fit into stereotypes but they also tend to break under pressure. Under ideal family circumstances most women I know are indeed caretakers but the way they presue the caring differs from person to person. My mother was wonderfully independent in her youth. Shed see to it we had what we need but she also made sure we were willing to work. Sadly as she wastes away under the stress of disease and a second divorces she is selfish and desperate for attention...
 

 

I notice something similair with my mother too ( who has a certain form of cancer and many other problems)...but I dont see it as selfish or attention seeking....more of an anger to have not been able to get the support she needed and the respect and treatment she'd liked

And i agree with her, she didnt deserve all this in respect to what she did all those years for her kids and other people around her

 

bluhoteyes

Delovely and Techleo first off want to say I am sorry you two are having to go through this. I know it is hard, but cherish every moment you can as you can't turn time back once they do move to the other side. Wish I would have had the chance to know when my mom left this world.  It is tough in the circumstances and emphathize with you two.

Delovely

Originally posted by bluhoteyes


Delovely and Techleo first off want to say I am sorry you two are having to go through this. I know it is hard, but cherish every moment you can as you can't turn time back once they do move to the other side. Wish I would have had the chance to know when my mom left this world.  It is tough in the circumstances and emphathize with you two.

 

Thank you, that is very kind ^^