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Can't find an LCD with high enough refresh
I have a bit of a problem, it would seem that my eyes don't like the 60hz refresh rate put out by most LCDs I have an old CRT but it's small compared to my LCDs. It's not a huge issue, but noticable enough to be an annoyance.
Last LCD I bought was an Asus 1080p LCD. I read up on the differences between standard and GTG responce measuring, and went with the 5ms LCD, which I thought was supposed to equate to well over 120hz.
Seems it actually won't go over 60hz and it bugs my eyes just like my last LCD did.
I need an simple widescreen LCD around 24" (1080p) that will do at least 75hz refresh..
Any ideas? I can't exchange the Asus.
EDIT: Newegg had 75hz listed in the specs for my LCD, but apparently that was only for some noname resolution that I don't use.
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What is the native resolution of the monitor you bought?
1920 X 1080 X 60
edit: woops I meant 1920 not 1600
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I'm pretty sure that the 'refresh rate' listed for the monitor, in the case of most computer LCD monitors, is just the rate at which new frames are delivered to the screen. It's completely different from the 'refresh rate' listed for a CRT monitor, which has to redraw the entire screen constantly, unlike an LCD which can just alter specific points on the screen.
Edit: In short, it might be that you're just not used to the LCD monitor yet.
Double edit: Wikipedia supports this:
"On smaller CRT monitors (up to about 15"), few people notice any discomfort below 60–72 Hz. On larger CRT monitors (17" or larger), most people experience mild discomfort unless the refresh is set to 85 Hz or higher. A rate of 100 Hz is comfortable at almost any size. However, this does not apply to LCD monitors. The closest equivalent to a refresh rate on an LCD monitor is its frame rate, which is often locked at 60 Hz. But this is rarely a problem, because the only part of an LCD monitor that could produce CRT-like flicker—its backlight—typically operates at around 200 Hz."
I suggest that you give the LCD monitor another chance. It's very likely that the grievance you felt was entirely imagined (certainly not impossible -- I get incredible motion sickness from large CRT monitors at low refresh rates, and just imagining experiencing that makes me a little ill) and a little knowledge will aid in dispelling the affliction.
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Ya just like "Tykero" said LCD and CRT monitors 'refresh rate' are different. For LCD monitors MS is like a 'Refresh rate" to CRT so just try to buy a 2ms monitor. that will help.
That's what I thought, but I've been using LCDs on and off for a few years now. On a CRT especially in a FPS I can clearly see as I look around, but on LCDs everything seems to blur a little until I stop moving. It's been noticable enough for me to keep my old CRTs this whole time but you can't even find them anymore. Aren't there any super high refresh rate LCDs out there?
EDIT: just read the rest of your post. Perhaps it is my CRT is only 17" I don't know everything about refresh rates and all but I swear I notice on LCDs the image blurs as you turn and even kind of get lighter, and I don't see that on my old POS CRT.
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Ya. like i was saying get a 2ms LCD Monitor. That will fix your "image blurs/Ghosting"
Refresh rate for LCD doesn't matter like it does for CRT monitors, different tech.
The two best things to look for when getting an LCD is:
Best type of Panel for me is S-PVA.
Here is a little bit about panel types: www.lcdpaneltypes.net/
If you can afford it though and S-IPS monitor will be my next choice. I currently have one of these which is pretty much like a Dell high end and for the past few years served me well. I have no issues in games. I must say I like the look of this S-IPS though: www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx
I used to be in graphic design and was proud of my old CRT but as a gamer too I was a bit dubious about the switch over. My choices are for a medium between both.
Always remember though the manufacturers advertised specs are not always correct.
I am not sure what you mean by 'bugs my eyes'.
LCD screen has no refresh rate, it is not flickering or such.
I would try following:
1) Tune up the brightness/constrast/backlight/sharpness. Many LCD can be 'too' bright and hurt the eyes.
2) Connected the LCD with VGA via - DVI or HDMI. Your VGA and LCD both must support digital outputs. Then tried step 1.
As for screen speed, it is indeed very difficult to get 'true' number of response time since manufacturers use all sort of tricks to present the best values.
What response time is? It is how long it takes to pixel change colour - the best measurement is change from grey to white and back to grey.
Can you post your LCD Asus model?
Can you find a video that you see blurred and link it?
The Nvidia 3D glasses only works if you have a 120mhz screen. They cost a bit more however, but they do exist.
Here is a link to a nice one.
It seems odd that your eyes have a problem with it to me, it doesn't blink like the old screens but the refresh rate is just lower. However shouldn't I tell you what your eyes should like and not but I reccomend you to have a look on one in a store before deciding.
Good luck with it, $300 is a bit more expensive than a regular 22" screen but not that much. And it is a sweet screen.
There is no refresh rate on LCD, the crystals are 'shining' constantly.
I guess it's more of a strain to see clearly than bugging my eyes. for example I can drag this window that I'm typing in now to the left and right, and the words in the tabs become difficult to read while I am dragging, things like that always appear to come out clearer on my old CRT.
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So does this LCD then at 120Hz 'refresh' any faster than a 2ms / 60 Hz LCD? I think that might be what I'm looking for.
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Um...I will connect my od CRT to test it tomorrow but I don't think this is LCD issue. I am quite confident that I will get the same result on CRT because it is how the 2D drawing on desktop works. The text is unreable even when you move the window slowly.
Windows are not designed to be read while moving
There is no refresh rate on LCD, the crystals are 'shining' constantly.
Uh, you know what I mean. Blinking is the classic refresh rate. Updating then or whatever.
So does this LCD then at 120Hz 'refresh' any faster than a 2ms / 60 Hz LCD? I think that might be what I'm looking for.
A regular screen updates 60 times a second. This one updates 120.
The ms mens (quoting wiki: The response time is the amount of time a pixel in an LCD monitor takes to go from active (black) to inactive (white) and back to active (black) again. It is measured in milliseconds (ms). Lower numbers mean faster transitions and therefore fewer visible image artifacts. (from Wikipedia).
The hz value means (also quoting wiki with slight editing): This indicates that the screen itself will be "re-drawn" 60 or 120 times per second.
I hope that answers your question
There is no 'blinking' or 'updating' in LCD, it is a digital signal.
Probably the best monitor imo.
* 21.5-inch Widescreen Flat Panel LCD
* 1920 x 1080 Full HD Resolution
* Ultra-Fast 2ms Response Time
* 16.7 Million Colors for Richer Images
* 80,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio
* Low Input-Lag for Intense Gaming
* Tilt, Swivel and Height Adjustable Stand
http://www.alienware.com/accessories/gear-shop-Detail.aspx?ItemId=17567&CatId=1441
80,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio <--- that right there is worth the money.
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I've been using one of these for a couple of years now and it's been flawless for me, I'd recommend it even though I'm sure that there are much better screens available now.
www.trustedreviews.com/monitors/review/2007/03/09/Samsung-SyncMaster-226BW/p1
Both of them are good but the Alienware doesn't support 120hz as the OP stated he wants. Also you can use the cool 3d Glasses with the Viewsonic screen, it is the olny one that supports it (on Nvidias homepage at least).
Well, since dynamc contrast is not really LCD 'physical' parameter, I would be more of worried about such high number...
Samsungs screens are among the best out there, however don't they support 120 hz either as the OP wants.
I had one Samsung 22" before myself, but I got a Philips 24" now instead. It is thicker but have about the same specs and I got it to a great price, you can't have a too large screen
Correct me if I am wrong but I think only Viewsonic makes 120hz screens right now, a friend just bought one and it is really nice.
i have the same problem with LCDs, i've been tempted to go back to my 21inch crt for a while.
its not the refresh rate that bothers you (and me), its the ms rating. all LCDs have high ms rates compaired to crts and even plasmas. it causes the "ghosting" effect thats ruining our eyes. when objects pan or move side to side they start to blur. alot of ppl dont even notice or care. but obviously some can and do:) i stopped playing fps when i got my first lcd and haven't really gone back since. i can't stand the bluring.
i can't wait for oleds, heard those should be near perfect. and i don't think lcds can improve beyond what they are b4 they become oleds. i wont buy another monitor unless its well under 1ms. like .02ms responce time:P
Get a higher quality LCD and you won't have to deal with ghosting.
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lol dude, you live in the stone age. They haven't made an LCD that still ghosts in the last 5+ years.
Response time is LCD attribute.