This is pathetic, patents were introduced to protect people from just this sort of thing. To allow a small time guy to make something in his garage and be able to sell it without having major companies with endless amounts of money silence him and steal his work for themselves. It seems that greed always finds a way though. I have a feeling we will be seeing more of this to come. I noticed Aion has its PvPvE listed as RvR a couple of times, most likely from the westernization team not realizing it when translating stuff over. How long before EA catches wind and either makes them remove it or sues them for 4534943698659324659 dollars. Hey they gotta make up for whatever money they spent purchasing mythic and launching warhammer, right? Why not have someone else pay for their incompetence? (As if we the consumers didn't already)
I want to say that I read this exact issue somewhere, either here on MMORPG or another site. Not sure if EA/Mythic has done anything in regards to a lawsuit against NCSoft or not about this whole RvR issue, but I'm pretty sure I saw something pertaining to the topic somewhere. Personally I laugh at the whole lawsuit issue and think that more than likely about 90% of them are just a waste of time and energy that could be put to better use, but I don't see any changes coming to pass any time soon. I do agree with the poster about the whole "accountability" issue and figure that if this was ever instated here in the states the amount of bogus and stupid lawsuits would drop drastically
Edit: Another thing that just occurred to me, and I have no law background so I could way out there on this, but if this company is located in NY, how is it that they can get away with posting a lawsuit through a district court in Texas? Shouldn't they be required to post it in the home city or state that they originate from and their company is located in? It seems kind of stupid that someone can take something like this outside of their home area just because this other place might be a bit friendlier towards their plea.
postal adress is all thats req ups sell those for cheap i bet their lawyer offered to go to local ups store to get an adress in that city lol
This is pathetic, patents were introduced to protect people from just this sort of thing. To allow a small time guy to make something in his garage and be able to sell it without having major companies with endless amounts of money silence him and steal his work for themselves. It seems that greed always finds a way though. I have a feeling we will be seeing more of this to come. I noticed Aion has its PvPvE listed as RvR a couple of times, most likely from the westernization team not realizing it when translating stuff over. How long before EA catches wind and either makes them remove it or sues them for 4534943698659324659 dollars. Hey they gotta make up for whatever money they spent purchasing mythic and launching warhammer, right? Why not have someone else pay for their incompetence? (As if we the consumers didn't already)
I want to say that I read this exact issue somewhere, either here on MMORPG or another site. Not sure if EA/Mythic has done anything in regards to a lawsuit against NCSoft or not about this whole RvR issue, but I'm pretty sure I saw something pertaining to the topic somewhere. Personally I laugh at the whole lawsuit issue and think that more than likely about 90% of them are just a waste of time and energy that could be put to better use, but I don't see any changes coming to pass any time soon. I do agree with the poster about the whole "accountability" issue and figure that if this was ever instated here in the states the amount of bogus and stupid lawsuits would drop drastically
Edit: Another thing that just occurred to me, and I have no law background so I could way out there on this, but if this company is located in NY, how is it that they can get away with posting a lawsuit through a district court in Texas? Shouldn't they be required to post it in the home city or state that they originate from and their company is located in? It seems kind of stupid that someone can take something like this outside of their home area just because this other place might be a bit friendlier towards their plea.
It was posted on MMORPG.com in one of the weekly things. RvR is trademarked by mythic and mythic is owned by EA. So using the trademark RvR without EA's consent is technically illegal. Its utterly stupid, and I'm quite sure RvR was coined and used long before Mythic made DAoC, especially in the RPG fantasy setting where empires are commonly referred to as realms.
As for the patent and lawsuit being filed in Texas from a company based in NY. It being federal law related and not state law, I don't think it matters. If it was a state law thing, than it would of course have to be handled in that particular state.
This is pathetic, patents were introduced to protect people from just this sort of thing. To allow a small time guy to make something in his garage and be able to sell it without having major companies with endless amounts of money silence him and steal his work for themselves. It seems that greed always finds a way though. I have a feeling we will be seeing more of this to come. I noticed Aion has its PvPvE listed as RvR a couple of times, most likely from the westernization team not realizing it when translating stuff over. How long before EA catches wind and either makes them remove it or sues them for 4534943698659324659 dollars. Hey they gotta make up for whatever money they spent purchasing mythic and launching warhammer, right? Why not have someone else pay for their incompetence? (As if we the consumers didn't already)
I want to say that I read this exact issue somewhere, either here on MMORPG or another site. Not sure if EA/Mythic has done anything in regards to a lawsuit against NCSoft or not about this whole RvR issue, but I'm pretty sure I saw something pertaining to the topic somewhere. Personally I laugh at the whole lawsuit issue and think that more than likely about 90% of them are just a waste of time and energy that could be put to better use, but I don't see any changes coming to pass any time soon. I do agree with the poster about the whole "accountability" issue and figure that if this was ever instated here in the states the amount of bogus and stupid lawsuits would drop drastically
Edit: Another thing that just occurred to me, and I have no law background so I could way out there on this, but if this company is located in NY, how is it that they can get away with posting a lawsuit through a district court in Texas? Shouldn't they be required to post it in the home city or state that they originate from and their company is located in? It seems kind of stupid that someone can take something like this outside of their home area just because this other place might be a bit friendlier towards their plea.
It was posted on MMORPG.com in one of the weekly things. RvR is trademarked by mythic and mythic is owned by EA. So using the trademark RvR without EA's consent is technically illegal. Its utterly stupid, and I'm quite sure RvR was coined and used long before Mythic made DAoC, especially in the RPG fantasy setting where empires are commonly referred to as realms.
As for the patent and lawsuit being filed in Texas from a company based in NY. It being federal law related and not state law, I don't think it matters. If it was a state law thing, than it would of course have to be handled in that particular state.
As for the patent and lawsuit being filed in Texas from a company based in NY. It being federal law related and not state law, I don't think it matters. If it was a state law thing, than it would of course have to be handled in that particular state.
I'm not a lawyer but I used to play one on TV, consumer reporting. Federal law allows plaintifs to file lawsuite anywhere in the country. There is a county in South Carolina, I think, that virtually all lawsuits aganst drug manufactures are filed because juriors traditionaly award high dollar verdicts.
The problem is the expansion of what the Patent office will issue a patent for. You nolonger have to develope something, all you have to do is find it. Under present rules Spain could have patented North and South America because Columbus discovered the New World.
The same practices that are used to control money can be used to take it away. I hope these guys win a ton of money and I hope it spirals so out of control that people finally stand up to the bs we call our judicial branch of government. Lawyers and the twisting of our laws has made a joke out of everything in the business world. The fact these dumbass could even get a court date is sad.
the sewer that lose should automaticly pay to the opponent the amount he or she ask as a copyright owner so say they ask 1 billion they should pay one billion if they lose that way you wouldnt see all these end of term copyright lausuit before copyright ends lol
What you need to do is outlaw settlements. All a settlement is, is a business arrangement between two sets of lawyers. The one side says "look how much money we made you", while the other side says "look how much money we saved you". Scam, Incorporated.
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LOL they tried to buy the patent to THE INTERNET and sued over it xD that's too funny. Perfect pic by the way I can't believe the request for that patent even got through the patent office in the first place. Wow.
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PalTalk may have offered to settle with Microsoft for $1 just to be able to say they won.
This is like the Linux patent troll. He got a few settlements, but ended up losing in the long run, so let's hope PalTalk has the same fate, and everyone definitely needs to boycott PalTalk.
In the 90's, the patent office adapted a policy of patenting everything and letting the courts sort it out rather than doing the job they were created for.
The worse thing they did is to let Monsanto patent all the 10,000+ seeds in the government seed bank.
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This is too unbelievable--the patent troll attorney is the son of the patent troll's favorite judge:
" T. John "Johnny" Ward, Jr. is a Texas lawyer who has filed a large number of patent infringement lawsuits in recent years. Between January and mid-October of 2007, his name was attached to 54 separate lawsuits by my count; in all but four, he represented the plaintiff. He is also, as I reported in October, the son of Judge T. John Ward, the judge who is largely responsible for making the Eastern District of Texas a hotspot for patent litigation."
Well the main problem here is copyright and patten. This could drag on for a while.
While Blizzard and Sony has the resources to probably squash this guy like a bug. The other small fires like Turbine don't. Those small fries are already in finacial trouble and this could put the cap on them.
This kind of lawsuit is so stupid, its just going to eat up more resources and cash that could be doing other things. I hate this kind of thing becasue no matter how you look at it, it cost the tax payers money to try a case like this, and everybody looses.
What most people seem to have missed here is that the date given only refers to the date he purchased the patient, not when the said software was designed.
If MS folded I'd say this guy had them by the short and curlies, and it's likely others will fold as well or burn more money then they need to throwing it at their legal teams.
Yes I'm guessing all Turbine has to do is point to Asheron's Call which released in 99 and then paltalk won't have a leg to stand on. Same with Sony for EQ, I don't know when those other companies made their first MMOs. Unless Blizzard gets to use it's non MMO multiplayer games as proof.
They don't really have to point to any specific MMO...
Any semi-intellegent company sued over something like this is going to contact Randy Farmer or someone like him. Who actually have "prior art" dating back to 1985... from a little project made for Lucas Arts called Habitat.
He already had an article up about the idiots that filed Suit againt NCSoft.
Back "in the day" they didn't patent these technologies because no one thought they were really worth anything. Farmer actually discussies this directly in many articles he's written. I think it would piss me off pretty heavily if someone came along decade later and claimed to have invented "my work".
One of the main issues he pointed out with the US Legal system is there is no "down" side to filing a lawsuit. In other countries if you bring something like this to court and lose you are held liable for the cost incurred by the person/people or company you filed suit on.
What they really need to do in the US is to have something like that. If you can't cover the liability the lawfirm who represented you should be held liable. Then they should permanently disbar everyone working there. (as well as take them out behind the building and put two in their head but I'm just a bit extreme there I guess).
Crap like this clogs up the systems and wastes millions of dollars .. for just that... crap.
actually we do have rules against frivilous lawsuits that can involve holding not only the plaintiff but the attorney who filed the lawsuit liable. They are just not enforced enough.
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What most people seem to have missed here is that the date given only refers to the date he purchased the patient, not when the said software was designed. If MS folded I'd say this guy had them by the short and curlies, and it's likely others will fold as well or burn more money then they need to throwing it at their legal teams.
yep the guy that had that before the firm had gold in his hand
if it date far enough
but its still not gona be a done deal,in these thing they could be in court for years
This News bothers me because first , its stupid and a waste of court time and second it makes me want to defend SOE....I just can't believe that there are Asshats larger then My good friends at SOE. Live and learn and Love that Jestor!
I personally see "technologies for sharing data among many connected computers so that all users see the same digital environment" as pretty ambiguous... All it does is indicate that people do not have free will and cannot create something of their own their own way despite the fact that this would have popped up in the thoughts of many people.
This does not indicate the coding required to file the lawsuit... All it says is that the person that holds the patent holds the patent for "technologies", which does not mean one singular technology, but at the same time does not indicate it owns the rights to every single one either... In fact, if it said that they had the patent for """every""" "technologies for sharing data among many connected computers so that all users see the same digital environment", then I would think it was pretty damn stupid... I mean, it's like saying that you have the patent to the human thought processes and their free will.
PalTalk may have offered to settle with Microsoft for $1 just to be able to say they won. This is like the Linux patent troll. He got a few settlements, but ended up losing in the long run, so let's hope PalTalk has the same fate, and everyone definitely needs to boycott PalTalk. In the 90's, the patent office adapted a policy of patenting everything and letting the courts sort it out rather than doing the job they were created for. The worse thing they did is to let Monsanto patent all the 10,000+ seeds in the government seed bank.
Sorry for going a little off topic but I just finished watching that "The World According to Monsanto" documentary which is pretty sick stuff.
If you haven't seen it and want to know the whole story of Monsanto and their patents, GMOs and their goal of seed (& food?) monopoly watch it. ( www.youtube.com/watch )
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I want to say that I read this exact issue somewhere, either here on MMORPG or another site. Not sure if EA/Mythic has done anything in regards to a lawsuit against NCSoft or not about this whole RvR issue, but I'm pretty sure I saw something pertaining to the topic somewhere. Personally I laugh at the whole lawsuit issue and think that more than likely about 90% of them are just a waste of time and energy that could be put to better use, but I don't see any changes coming to pass any time soon. I do agree with the poster about the whole "accountability" issue and figure that if this was ever instated here in the states the amount of bogus and stupid lawsuits would drop drastically
Edit: Another thing that just occurred to me, and I have no law background so I could way out there on this, but if this company is located in NY, how is it that they can get away with posting a lawsuit through a district court in Texas? Shouldn't they be required to post it in the home city or state that they originate from and their company is located in? It seems kind of stupid that someone can take something like this outside of their home area just because this other place might be a bit friendlier towards their plea.
postal adress is all thats req ups sell those for cheap i bet their lawyer offered to go to local ups store to get an adress in that city lol
I want to say that I read this exact issue somewhere, either here on MMORPG or another site. Not sure if EA/Mythic has done anything in regards to a lawsuit against NCSoft or not about this whole RvR issue, but I'm pretty sure I saw something pertaining to the topic somewhere. Personally I laugh at the whole lawsuit issue and think that more than likely about 90% of them are just a waste of time and energy that could be put to better use, but I don't see any changes coming to pass any time soon. I do agree with the poster about the whole "accountability" issue and figure that if this was ever instated here in the states the amount of bogus and stupid lawsuits would drop drastically
Edit: Another thing that just occurred to me, and I have no law background so I could way out there on this, but if this company is located in NY, how is it that they can get away with posting a lawsuit through a district court in Texas? Shouldn't they be required to post it in the home city or state that they originate from and their company is located in? It seems kind of stupid that someone can take something like this outside of their home area just because this other place might be a bit friendlier towards their plea.
It was posted on MMORPG.com in one of the weekly things. RvR is trademarked by mythic and mythic is owned by EA. So using the trademark RvR without EA's consent is technically illegal. Its utterly stupid, and I'm quite sure RvR was coined and used long before Mythic made DAoC, especially in the RPG fantasy setting where empires are commonly referred to as realms.
As for the patent and lawsuit being filed in Texas from a company based in NY. It being federal law related and not state law, I don't think it matters. If it was a state law thing, than it would of course have to be handled in that particular state.
I want to say that I read this exact issue somewhere, either here on MMORPG or another site. Not sure if EA/Mythic has done anything in regards to a lawsuit against NCSoft or not about this whole RvR issue, but I'm pretty sure I saw something pertaining to the topic somewhere. Personally I laugh at the whole lawsuit issue and think that more than likely about 90% of them are just a waste of time and energy that could be put to better use, but I don't see any changes coming to pass any time soon. I do agree with the poster about the whole "accountability" issue and figure that if this was ever instated here in the states the amount of bogus and stupid lawsuits would drop drastically
Edit: Another thing that just occurred to me, and I have no law background so I could way out there on this, but if this company is located in NY, how is it that they can get away with posting a lawsuit through a district court in Texas? Shouldn't they be required to post it in the home city or state that they originate from and their company is located in? It seems kind of stupid that someone can take something like this outside of their home area just because this other place might be a bit friendlier towards their plea.
It was posted on MMORPG.com in one of the weekly things. RvR is trademarked by mythic and mythic is owned by EA. So using the trademark RvR without EA's consent is technically illegal. Its utterly stupid, and I'm quite sure RvR was coined and used long before Mythic made DAoC, especially in the RPG fantasy setting where empires are commonly referred to as realms.
As for the patent and lawsuit being filed in Texas from a company based in NY. It being federal law related and not state law, I don't think it matters. If it was a state law thing, than it would of course have to be handled in that particular state.
That clears up a few things, thanks for the info.
As for the patent and lawsuit being filed in Texas from a company based in NY. It being federal law related and not state law, I don't think it matters. If it was a state law thing, than it would of course have to be handled in that particular state.
I'm not a lawyer but I used to play one on TV, consumer reporting. Federal law allows plaintifs to file lawsuite anywhere in the country. There is a county in South Carolina, I think, that virtually all lawsuits aganst drug manufactures are filed because juriors traditionaly award high dollar verdicts.
The problem is the expansion of what the Patent office will issue a patent for. You nolonger have to develope something, all you have to do is find it. Under present rules Spain could have patented North and South America because Columbus discovered the New World.
I think Turbine, Sony Corp, Blizzard, Jagex, and NCsoft should team up and kick Paltalk's @ss!
They must find it difficult . . .
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Well... it's seems as it is time to reform some of your laws if not the whole legal System...
Something in me cries that such stupid things won't stop as long as you can do it...
The same practices that are used to control money can be used to take it away. I hope these guys win a ton of money and I hope it spirals so out of control that people finally stand up to the bs we call our judicial branch of government. Lawyers and the twisting of our laws has made a joke out of everything in the business world. The fact these dumbass could even get a court date is sad.
What you need to do is outlaw settlements. All a settlement is, is a business arrangement between two sets of lawyers. The one side says "look how much money we made you", while the other side says "look how much money we saved you". Scam, Incorporated.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
What do you call a bus full of lawyers that drives off a cliff and bursts into flames??
A really good idea for an MMO!
I would be in favour of a lawyer-hunting game, but I suspect release would be held up in court for decades.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
LOL they tried to buy the patent to THE INTERNET and sued over it xD that's too funny. Perfect pic by the way
I can't believe the request for that patent even got through the patent office in the first place. Wow.
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The best way to deal with trolls:
http://www.angelfire.com/space/usenet/ [IGNORE THEM, THEY JUST WANT ATTENTION!]
PalTalk may have offered to settle with Microsoft for $1 just to be able to say they won.
This is like the Linux patent troll. He got a few settlements, but ended up losing in the long run, so let's hope PalTalk has the same fate, and everyone definitely needs to boycott PalTalk.
In the 90's, the patent office adapted a policy of patenting everything and letting the courts sort it out rather than doing the job they were created for.
The worse thing they did is to let Monsanto patent all the 10,000+ seeds in the government seed bank.
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This is too unbelievable--the patent troll attorney is the son of the patent troll's favorite judge:
" T. John "Johnny" Ward, Jr. is a Texas lawyer who has filed a large number of patent infringement lawsuits in recent years. Between January and mid-October of 2007, his name was attached to 54 separate lawsuits by my count; in all but four, he represented the plaintiff. He is also, as I reported in October, the son of Judge T. John Ward, the judge who is largely responsible for making the Eastern District of Texas a hotspot for patent litigation."
http://thepriorart.typepad.com/the_prior_art/2008/03/judge-wards-son.html
Texas really is the boss hog and corrupt judges capital of the country.
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You had better patent that before someone steals that great idea!
I am geussing Paltalk to go bankrupt maybe next year to to the high cost of lawers, such a small company against those big company's.
Well one thing is for sure they do have balls to even consider doing this, but it's very stupid never the less.
Ahahaha
Ok so it may just be me but I thought that statement was hilarious
Well the main problem here is copyright and patten. This could drag on for a while.
While Blizzard and Sony has the resources to probably squash this guy like a bug. The other small fires like Turbine don't. Those small fries are already in finacial trouble and this could put the cap on them.
This kind of lawsuit is so stupid, its just going to eat up more resources and cash that could be doing other things. I hate this kind of thing becasue no matter how you look at it, it cost the tax payers money to try a case like this, and everybody looses.
What most people seem to have missed here is that the date given only refers to the date he purchased the patient, not when the said software was designed.
If MS folded I'd say this guy had them by the short and curlies, and it's likely others will fold as well or burn more money then they need to throwing it at their legal teams.
companies like this are one of the few circumstances where terrorism is ok. 2 shots in the head of everyone at Petalk or whatever it's called
They don't really have to point to any specific MMO...
Any semi-intellegent company sued over something like this is going to contact Randy Farmer or someone like him. Who actually have "prior art" dating back to 1985... from a little project made for Lucas Arts called Habitat.
He already had an article up about the idiots that filed Suit againt NCSoft.
Back "in the day" they didn't patent these technologies because no one thought they were really worth anything. Farmer actually discussies this directly in many articles he's written. I think it would piss me off pretty heavily if someone came along decade later and claimed to have invented "my work".
One of the main issues he pointed out with the US Legal system is there is no "down" side to filing a lawsuit. In other countries if you bring something like this to court and lose you are held liable for the cost incurred by the person/people or company you filed suit on.
What they really need to do in the US is to have something like that. If you can't cover the liability the lawfirm who represented you should be held liable. Then they should permanently disbar everyone working there. (as well as take them out behind the building and put two in their head but I'm just a bit extreme there I guess).
Crap like this clogs up the systems and wastes millions of dollars .. for just that... crap.
actually we do have rules against frivilous lawsuits that can involve holding not only the plaintiff but the attorney who filed the lawsuit liable. They are just not enforced enough.
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reminds me of that guy who sued that chick for wasting his time....i mean...really talk about losing faith in America
yep the guy that had that before the firm had gold in his hand
if it date far enough
but its still not gona be a done deal,in these thing they could be in court for years
lot of stuff can happen in 3 years
This News bothers me because first , its stupid and a waste of court time and second it makes me want to defend SOE....I just can't believe that there are Asshats larger then My good friends at SOE. Live and learn and Love that Jestor!
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I personally see "technologies for sharing data among many connected computers so that all users see the same digital environment" as pretty ambiguous... All it does is indicate that people do not have free will and cannot create something of their own their own way despite the fact that this would have popped up in the thoughts of many people.
This does not indicate the coding required to file the lawsuit... All it says is that the person that holds the patent holds the patent for "technologies", which does not mean one singular technology, but at the same time does not indicate it owns the rights to every single one either... In fact, if it said that they had the patent for """every""" "technologies for sharing data among many connected computers so that all users see the same digital environment", then I would think it was pretty damn stupid... I mean, it's like saying that you have the patent to the human thought processes and their free will.
These types of patents should not exist.
Sorry for going a little off topic but I just finished watching that "The World According to Monsanto" documentary which is pretty sick stuff.
If you haven't seen it and want to know the whole story of Monsanto and their patents, GMOs and their goal of seed (& food?) monopoly watch it. ( www.youtube.com/watch )