I was really looking forward to Aion and played in all CB testing and even then enjoyed it,Although I never went over level 18.
I alway's said that Aion brought very little new to the mmo genre but it did bring most of the best thing's into 1 mmo.
Ok I have been having problem's with the infamous "Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has recovered"(not an Aion fault)
Since I upgraded to the 275gtx card but that aside I have found it hard to even try to login into Aion.
I am now level 26 and there are just to many thing's that are "getting" to me(driver's aside)
The chat channel's have been muted as this for the most part is terrible,only the Cleric channel has been worth while.
The grind at time's is just awful.
Crafting while fun(I am level 213 armorsmith) is a cash sink hole as the mats are so expensive(even the vendor mats)
I play casual and the 2 hour queue to get into the game is basically my game time,no I can't try 2 hours earlier as it may only be 40 mins queue then and I can not play then...not all of us can run our life to a game's clock.
Since the last patch as many have reported the lag and fps in game have been quite bad(although I am sure this will get fixed)
While I have had some fun in pvp alot of the time it seem's not many are up for an even battle,if they don't out number you then they will run and you chase..maybe fun for a bit but I mean come on!
None of these problem's alone would cause me to quite the game..but put together it really has tested me and I have cancelled my pre-made sub.
Some may seem trivia to other player's but I pay my cash to play the game and all these problem's(in my mind) are enough not to sub.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
I'm not sure how I feel about your community statement. WoW community bleeding over to Aion? I think one of the biggest mistakes people make, is the assumption that communities in different games are somehow different that the community in WoW. In my experience and opinion, I have seen no difference between the social aspects of any online game. Perhaps this used to be different pre-WoW, but as far as I'm concerned, in the present time WoW community = MMO genre community. One might go so far to say WoW community = MMO genre community = Gaming community.
Like so many of you, I've been playing MMOs for a very very long time.. (Ultima, EQ 1, Lineage, DAoC, FFXI, ShadowBane, SWG etc etc etc) I eagerly awaited Aion since 2006. I played it a little in beta but not too much, I wanted to savor the "new game" experience at launch. In my 20s now all I can say is that I am bored and I've had to talk myself into logging in and leveling. So terribly bored. And I really hate not having fun with Aion. It was supposed to be my new gaming muse. But beautiful graphics and nifty interface aside, I can't even bear to put up with the grind and the annoying rifts and the tedious crafting. There is no soul to this game. The quests are not worth reading, there is no immersive storyline or atmosphere. The Aion community is now the new home for all that went wrong with WoW. The WoW community bled over into the Aion community and now it appears that it will be this way from now on with all mmos. anyway, yeah I can QQ more and see myself out of here. But I'm glad I'm finally done with this ride. The lather, rinse and repeat of the MMO has finally lost it's hold on me.
I 100% agree with everything you've said.
Long time MMO vet myself, been looking forward to Aion for a while. Now terribly frustrated.
The sad thing is I went into Aion with deliberately lowered expectations. I was figuring if I could get a couple months out of it, it would be worth the purchase and maybe I'd be surprised and want to stick around a little longer.
Now, it's two weeks, I'm level 35 and I'm asking myself "why did I waste my time and money to play this game"?
The game almost seems to be deliberately designed to turn off 95% of the people who take a chance at playing it. Many people haven't hit the wall yet, but I expect the number of people dropping this game will start to increase at an accelerating rate with each passing day.
We had already heard that there was a massive drop in subs to CAion and that KAion has been struggling as well. This is in the markets the game was really designed to appeal to. In the West, people will tire of this game much, much more quickly.
It's not hard to now understand why the closed and open betas in the West were so limited. If people had been able to test this game for a few weeks straight, with out a level cap, they would have lost a significant number of box sales.
In a nutshell, Aion is FFXI + WoW. If you liked those games, you will probably love Aion. If you are looking for something more immersive, you may have to wait.
Okay, I know you're not serious. Aion has quests, wow has quests. But where do you see FFXI in Aion?
"Everything the light touches is our kingdom" -- Mufasa ---
lol at these "OP is burned out" comments. The industry is burned out, not the OP. Recycling the same sh*t over and over again can last only so long.
I agree with this one as well. Although I'll add that in addition to the industry being burned out, so is the player base. People are much more in tune with identifying flaws in a game that will prevent them from finding long term enjoyment from a title and people don't want to waste time on a game they don't feel has the potential to keep them happy for many months or even years.
So, as MMORPG development has stagnated into a cess pit of the same old recycled manure, the tolerance and patience of the player base for said manure has decreased significantly.
Look at the drop off in subscribers for WAR and AoC. Either game, produced five years ago, might have done fairly well. In today's market, expectations of the fan base have increased significantly, while the quality of the current products has actually started to devolve.
There are clear lessons that can be taken from recent failures, but game developers seem oblivious to those lessons, or are not talented enough to find ways to overcome those clearly identifiable flaws.
Personally, my unwillingness to cut NCSoft any real slack on Aion comes from the fact that the game has been live in Korea for a year now. We've seen how little the game has evolved in a year and know that things aren't going to improve much with further development. This isn't a case of a game being flawed as a result of a rush to market and a need for further development. It's a game suffering from core design flaws that would be difficult to address, even if NCSoft wanted to.
Congrats, I guess, for another MMO developer managing to maximize box sales of a fatally flawed game. Too bad these companies are so much better at pre-launch spin than they are at producing a good game. They obviously know what players want and base their spin around appealing to those desires, but no one is producing an MMORPG that actually is designed around what the player base wants.
It's curious the same has happened to me. After Aion I find the MMOs in general very absurd and spending any time on them something very silly lol.
First time in my life that I prefer to do almost anything, even work, than to play an MMO. Thank you devs for the crap you are throwing at us, we can have a life again!
First time in my life that I prefer to do almost anything, even work, than to play an MMO. Thank you devs for the crap you are throwing at us, we can have a life again!
In a nutshell, Aion is FFXI + WoW. If you liked those games, you will probably love Aion. If you are looking for something more immersive, you may have to wait.
Okay, I know you're not serious. Aion has quests, wow has quests. But where do you see FFXI in Aion?
I bet it's the grinding part. Not that I would compare the two like that.
Like so many of you, I've been playing MMOs for a very very long time.. (Ultima, EQ 1, Lineage, DAoC, FFXI, ShadowBane, SWG etc etc etc) I eagerly awaited Aion since 2006. I played it a little in beta but not too much, I wanted to savor the "new game" experience at launch. In my 20s now all I can say is that I am bored and I've had to talk myself into logging in and leveling. So terribly bored. And I really hate not having fun with Aion. It was supposed to be my new gaming muse. But beautiful graphics and nifty interface aside, I can't even bear to put up with the grind and the annoying rifts and the tedious crafting. There is no soul to this game. The quests are not worth reading, there is no immersive storyline or atmosphere. The Aion community is now the new home for all that went wrong with WoW. The WoW community bled over into the Aion community and now it appears that it will be this way from now on with all mmos. anyway, yeah I can QQ more and see myself out of here. But I'm glad I'm finally done with this ride. The lather, rinse and repeat of the MMO has finally lost it's hold on me.
Im probably going to incourage a few flames here but try Champions Online (or City of Heroes/Villians) if you want something a little more fast paced. I was in the beta for both Aion and Champions Online but i had the stupidity to Pre-order Aion...... Aion's a good game dont get me wrong, it just wasn't what i was looking for.
I tried Champions and now Aion. I also cancelled my Aion subscription. I grouped up for the first time the other day and got into a guild of some nice peeps so maybe I will change my mind. I'd like to try Fallen Earth though, assuming my computer could run it. 3 mmo's I've been following launching so close together is kinda hard, but so far the first two while good are not great.
After playing my share of games, FFXI since release and L2 beta -> lvl 52 being the most ive spent time in. I just cant say i'm into this game.
I came into the game with the highest morale and even grouped with a few buddies for awile to break up some of the monotony of soloing but i just cant shake it. FFXI "was" (key word) a grind back in the day until they softened up the amount of exp until 75 (also tales of aut urgan) and it even took me a year and a half of playing semi-hardcore (mostly spent in jueno LFG XD) to reach max lvl and I loved every second of it. I guess it was just "fun" to be in a group in FFXI and even though it took forever to level you relished each and every fight; i just dont get that with aion.
I think it has something to do with your skills not doing much? In FFXI and L2, a double shot(L2) or a weapon skill (FFXI) were massive factors in combat, and not only did they look awesome they made a difference. Aions skills feel like an alternative to auto attacking at least from the chanters and assasins point of view, and are just attempts to break the monotony that is the combat. just my .02 .
Its sad that all cannot enjoy the game. My self has like you said , played mmo since the day it was born. But to me the game is fantastic, i realy like this game, i have never felt so eager to play like i do now. I think the game just doent apply for all. Se you in game.
you probably wont XD.
Though i will say this, character customization was fantastic, and the overall art and scenery (besides asmodian side) are awesome; just that alone is not enough to keep me interested.
It is a korean grind, with a western aproach. Sadly they didnt change much of the features, you would expect, so it bassicly what you expect from your average mmorpg plus limited flying, chain skills, and lots of grind, farmers and bots, and NC Soft which is horrible, horrible company.
I wanna kick myself in the balls because of buying this, but i am still with friends so i am gona play it for a while. But while in WAR i was impressed since the developer clearly brought something new to the market, but fracked up the end game, and let themself bought by the idiots from EA, here i am just impressed on the sites and graphics which can get old quick.
All big mmorpg developers seem to nothing but copy themself and add some features they were 5-6 years ago, including Blizz that copies everything on the market that is good, instead of actually taking the genre to the next level. It sad, but they are interesting in money not inovation, so we will still have to wait for the next EVE Online, or Asherson Call, or Ultima Online, since Darkfall even with superb concept was executed POORLY.
Is just the sad state of the mmorpg market, it like Holywood and their crap movies.
On TOP of that NC Soft took what was good in Lineage 2 out, like persistent castle sieges and ownership, where here is like a battlefield from WAR. EVE Online is still the only good sanbox, pvp, inovative game, and as you know is not for everybody since good mmorpgs are not made to sell in millions.
I'm sorry, a game should be fun solo and grouped. Not JUST grouped.
There should not be a long grind of levels to do anything fun (1-25). That is something warhammer did very right. Low level pvp for a pvp based game. They didn't make you grind to 30 to play the game.
Most of quest is so easy to do if you group up with someone else. Do not attempt to do everything by yourself especially if you never done the quest. So many quest are annoying, especially when you are never bother to read the quest description.
Hey Swanea,
Most of game that are fun in the beginning then it get suck at the end. Similar like AOC/WAR) Atleast Aion you have tons of stuff to do.
Most quest you can do solo, it just harder if you do it yourself..
I agree with the OPer 100%. But WoW cured me, not Aion. I'm back to mostly single player games. I'm watching TOR but that will be super casual mode if anything.
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Well I do agree with the op to a certain degree.
I was really looking forward to Aion and played in all CB testing and even then enjoyed it,Although I never went over level 18.
I alway's said that Aion brought very little new to the mmo genre but it did bring most of the best thing's into 1 mmo.
Ok I have been having problem's with the infamous "Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has recovered"(not an Aion fault)
Since I upgraded to the 275gtx card but that aside I have found it hard to even try to login into Aion.
I am now level 26 and there are just to many thing's that are "getting" to me(driver's aside)
The chat channel's have been muted as this for the most part is terrible,only the Cleric channel has been worth while.
The grind at time's is just awful.
Crafting while fun(I am level 213 armorsmith) is a cash sink hole as the mats are so expensive(even the vendor mats)
I play casual and the 2 hour queue to get into the game is basically my game time,no I can't try 2 hours earlier as it may only be 40 mins queue then and I can not play then...not all of us can run our life to a game's clock.
Since the last patch as many have reported the lag and fps in game have been quite bad(although I am sure this will get fixed)
While I have had some fun in pvp alot of the time it seem's not many are up for an even battle,if they don't out number you then they will run and you chase..maybe fun for a bit but I mean come on!
None of these problem's alone would cause me to quite the game..but put together it really has tested me and I have cancelled my pre-made sub.
Some may seem trivia to other player's but I pay my cash to play the game and all these problem's(in my mind) are enough not to sub.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Things that I am disappointed with about AION:
-The games a terrible money sink (which encourages gold farming and selling). Why is it that Asian games are always money sinks?
-Tied with above...the spammers are running rampant with little or no controls.
-The crafting is an overpriced terribly boring grindfest.
-As stated before the player base has taken a nose dive since CB (I just turned off most chat channels)
-The server location was poor
Things I like about AION:
+The combat is great. Very responsive once I started using LowerPing.
+More quests than I expected
+PvP seems well balanced
+Character animation is top notched
+Overall I am having fun in the game
I'm not sure how I feel about your community statement. WoW community bleeding over to Aion? I think one of the biggest mistakes people make, is the assumption that communities in different games are somehow different that the community in WoW. In my experience and opinion, I have seen no difference between the social aspects of any online game. Perhaps this used to be different pre-WoW, but as far as I'm concerned, in the present time WoW community = MMO genre community. One might go so far to say WoW community = MMO genre community = Gaming community.
I 100% agree with everything you've said.
Long time MMO vet myself, been looking forward to Aion for a while. Now terribly frustrated.
The sad thing is I went into Aion with deliberately lowered expectations. I was figuring if I could get a couple months out of it, it would be worth the purchase and maybe I'd be surprised and want to stick around a little longer.
Now, it's two weeks, I'm level 35 and I'm asking myself "why did I waste my time and money to play this game"?
The game almost seems to be deliberately designed to turn off 95% of the people who take a chance at playing it. Many people haven't hit the wall yet, but I expect the number of people dropping this game will start to increase at an accelerating rate with each passing day.
We had already heard that there was a massive drop in subs to CAion and that KAion has been struggling as well. This is in the markets the game was really designed to appeal to. In the West, people will tire of this game much, much more quickly.
It's not hard to now understand why the closed and open betas in the West were so limited. If people had been able to test this game for a few weeks straight, with out a level cap, they would have lost a significant number of box sales.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
Okay, I know you're not serious. Aion has quests, wow has quests. But where do you see FFXI in Aion?
"Everything the light touches is our kingdom" -- Mufasa
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I agree with this one as well. Although I'll add that in addition to the industry being burned out, so is the player base. People are much more in tune with identifying flaws in a game that will prevent them from finding long term enjoyment from a title and people don't want to waste time on a game they don't feel has the potential to keep them happy for many months or even years.
So, as MMORPG development has stagnated into a cess pit of the same old recycled manure, the tolerance and patience of the player base for said manure has decreased significantly.
Look at the drop off in subscribers for WAR and AoC. Either game, produced five years ago, might have done fairly well. In today's market, expectations of the fan base have increased significantly, while the quality of the current products has actually started to devolve.
There are clear lessons that can be taken from recent failures, but game developers seem oblivious to those lessons, or are not talented enough to find ways to overcome those clearly identifiable flaws.
Personally, my unwillingness to cut NCSoft any real slack on Aion comes from the fact that the game has been live in Korea for a year now. We've seen how little the game has evolved in a year and know that things aren't going to improve much with further development. This isn't a case of a game being flawed as a result of a rush to market and a need for further development. It's a game suffering from core design flaws that would be difficult to address, even if NCSoft wanted to.
Congrats, I guess, for another MMO developer managing to maximize box sales of a fatally flawed game. Too bad these companies are so much better at pre-launch spin than they are at producing a good game. They obviously know what players want and base their spin around appealing to those desires, but no one is producing an MMORPG that actually is designed around what the player base wants.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
It's curious the same has happened to me. After Aion I find the MMOs in general very absurd and spending any time on them something very silly lol.
First time in my life that I prefer to do almost anything, even work, than to play an MMO. Thank you devs for the crap you are throwing at us, we can have a life again!
haha. That comment of yours is a real gem
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Okay, I know you're not serious. Aion has quests, wow has quests. But where do you see FFXI in Aion?
I bet it's the grinding part. Not that I would compare the two like that.
Im probably going to incourage a few flames here but try Champions Online (or City of Heroes/Villians) if you want something a little more fast paced. I was in the beta for both Aion and Champions Online but i had the stupidity to Pre-order Aion...... Aion's a good game dont get me wrong, it just wasn't what i was looking for.
I tried Champions and now Aion. I also cancelled my Aion subscription. I grouped up for the first time the other day and got into a guild of some nice peeps so maybe I will change my mind. I'd like to try Fallen Earth though, assuming my computer could run it. 3 mmo's I've been following launching so close together is kinda hard, but so far the first two while good are not great.
After playing my share of games, FFXI since release and L2 beta -> lvl 52 being the most ive spent time in. I just cant say i'm into this game.
I came into the game with the highest morale and even grouped with a few buddies for awile to break up some of the monotony of soloing but i just cant shake it. FFXI "was" (key word) a grind back in the day until they softened up the amount of exp until 75 (also tales of aut urgan) and it even took me a year and a half of playing semi-hardcore (mostly spent in jueno LFG XD) to reach max lvl and I loved every second of it. I guess it was just "fun" to be in a group in FFXI and even though it took forever to level you relished each and every fight; i just dont get that with aion.
I think it has something to do with your skills not doing much? In FFXI and L2, a double shot(L2) or a weapon skill (FFXI) were massive factors in combat, and not only did they look awesome they made a difference. Aions skills feel like an alternative to auto attacking at least from the chanters and assasins point of view, and are just attempts to break the monotony that is the combat. just my .02
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Its sad that all cannot enjoy the game.
My self has like you said , played mmo since the day it was born.
But to me the game is fantastic, i realy like this game, i have never felt so eager to play like i do now.
I think the game just doent apply for all.
Se you in game.
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you probably wont XD.
Though i will say this, character customization was fantastic, and the overall art and scenery (besides asmodian side) are awesome; just that alone is not enough to keep me interested.
It is a korean grind, with a western aproach. Sadly they didnt change much of the features, you would expect, so it bassicly what you expect from your average mmorpg plus limited flying, chain skills, and lots of grind, farmers and bots, and NC Soft which is horrible, horrible company.
I wanna kick myself in the balls because of buying this, but i am still with friends so i am gona play it for a while. But while in WAR i was impressed since the developer clearly brought something new to the market, but fracked up the end game, and let themself bought by the idiots from EA, here i am just impressed on the sites and graphics which can get old quick.
All big mmorpg developers seem to nothing but copy themself and add some features they were 5-6 years ago, including Blizz that copies everything on the market that is good, instead of actually taking the genre to the next level. It sad, but they are interesting in money not inovation, so we will still have to wait for the next EVE Online, or Asherson Call, or Ultima Online, since Darkfall even with superb concept was executed POORLY.
Is just the sad state of the mmorpg market, it like Holywood and their crap movies.
On TOP of that NC Soft took what was good in Lineage 2 out, like persistent castle sieges and ownership, where here is like a battlefield from WAR. EVE Online is still the only good sanbox, pvp, inovative game, and as you know is not for everybody since good mmorpgs are not made to sell in millions.
At least occasionally once a year holywood shits out a decent film. Not so much for the MMORPG market.
I'm sorry, a game should be fun solo and grouped. Not JUST grouped.
There should not be a long grind of levels to do anything fun (1-25). That is something warhammer did very right. Low level pvp for a pvp based game. They didn't make you grind to 30 to play the game.
Most of quest is so easy to do if you group up with someone else. Do not attempt to do everything by yourself especially if you never done the quest. So many quest are annoying, especially when you are never bother to read the quest description.
Hey Swanea,
Most of game that are fun in the beginning then it get suck at the end. Similar like AOC/WAR) Atleast Aion you have tons of stuff to do.
Most quest you can do solo, it just harder if you do it yourself..
Thank you OP !
I was thinking the same things as you but I thought I'll continue to play.
After reading your post I cancelled my subs, there's no fun playing this game
Try DDO
Even if it doesnt suit you on the end (and you never know if you dont try)
Its free
Aion was overhyped and alot of people thought it was the MMO to answer there MMO prayers. Why I'm I not surprised.
I agree with the OPer 100%. But WoW cured me, not Aion. I'm back to mostly single player games. I'm watching TOR but that will be super casual mode if anything.