I would like to see a new CoX, though I am interested to see Marvel, the other super hero games look lame. Make CoX into a sandbox type MMO way off the beaten path of the other Superhero MMOs. Maybe take all of the PreCU SWG ideas and make a superhero game out of that.
Well, you put AC in there but there was AC2.....if you put them in might as well put in EQ as it has EQ2...and Vanguard to an extent.
Hmm, Champions Online is somewhat of a CoX part duece.....but under a different publisher but still the same original developers, Cryptic.
Personally, I want to see a new EQ so I can make a Beastlord!!! I also want to see a SWG pre-CU.....that would be the bomb! They could remake SWG and just update the graphics, fix the bugs and wham....new game ready for launch.
There is no game out now that has really captivated me.....if there was I wouldn't be posting nonstop on this forum. I have two Aion accounts but just cant seem to log in.....I have CO as well but again, just cant seem to log in. I am actually thinking of reopening EQ2.
I really hope SOE does another EQ type game but I am sure it will be for the console and for the WOW crowd, which means simple, easy and single scope in concept.
but since this has inexplicably failed to appear as #1 on your list or even top-5 for that matter i trust it will appear on your next week's "top 5 epic fail remakes" column on the #1 position as it deserves.
OK, since it keeps coming up, you're getting my answer as to why I left SWG off. There were a few reasons:
#1) SWTOR - No one is going to remake a game when someone else is making another game in that universe. Probably not even legally possible.
#2) You're not talking about a remake, you're talking about a reversion. If this was the top 5 games that got worse over time, then you'd have a good argument. This wasn't what I was writing about. Although, that might be a future list, and I assure you, SWG would be in the top 2 (UO would have an argument too)
#3) Generally people only remake successful games. By their own standards, every game on this list was successful. SWG, by its standards, was not. That's why they did the NGE. I realize it's not popular, but people often forget that the game was in such a state that the company felt compelled to totally redo it midstream. A bonehead decision? Sure, but they didn't do it just to piss you off, they did it because they felt that's what they had to do to ensure the future of the product.
#4) Lastly, SWG only came out in 2003, which makes it newer in it's original state than 4 of the 5 games on the list. The only newer one, CoH is already getting me some flack for having it on there... and as I said, I have my reasons. SWG, as it exists today, has only existed since 2005. And visually - one of the main reasons to remake something - it is not really outdated.
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I agree with Ultima Online as well. It just baffles me that no one has even tried to rip it off and make a new game.
Also, nobody probably remembers this, but a Battletech MMO would be nice. I can't remember who was working on it originally, but it got tanked because of rights issues.
The doll would surely say, "I do not want to be human!" although her master wants her to be even more.
I agree with UO. Hell I'm back playing it now. Still the best but needs an overhaul. However, you need to try the new Stygian Abyss engine, much better than KR...
On a further note... for a remake of UO, I would keep the isometric view and add zoom and camera rotation functions, kinda like in Neverwinter Nights. That way you can zoom in up close and look at battles or scenery or whatever... and then zoom out for a more functional view.
Eh, I could go on and on and on... but I won't.
The doll would surely say, "I do not want to be human!" although her master wants her to be even more.
I wish SWG was in the list but I agree, UO deserves a remake. The new SA beta client is a dream come true as far as making the old game more enjoyable but most of the graphics are still in 2D, which I kind of like since I'm nastalgic like that.
I believe a super hero MMO is more than enough.......now we have 3 (and another one in the making Marvel Online).
What's the point of a new one when CoH is not exactly obsolete either?
I would have put in the list a decent EQ remake............sorry but EQ2 is not what I mean.
What I am talking about is a heavily centered PVE game with a strong focus on community interaction and group play, none of that solo bullshit.....there are already too many MMO around who cater for solo players.
But the thing I cannot agree more with Dana is the UO issue.
How on earth nobody ever even tried to rip off the concept of that game and update it with modern technology is beyond my comprehension.
Yes I do agree it is not a game for everyone, but still I believe that now there is a new big market for that kind of game that wasn't there 10 years ago.
Look at the hype around Darkfall Online, and that was made by an unknown indie dev.
Can you imagine if UO is made in aAAA format by a AAA developer?
Lol EA is sleeping big time there.
Of course the new UO will kill the old one but if they do it the right way, they could get 10 times the subscribers they have at the moment.
City of Heroes has a sequel its called Champions Online. Its the same developer and the game was designed to be the sequel to COH. This isn't up for debate, they remade COH and its called Champions Online, end of story.
How sad is it that a writer made it to the front page of mmorpg, who didn't even know NCSoft was a PUBLISHER. They wern't even a good publisher, they canceled Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa... I don't trust NC Soft with any game, they want to suck it dry and then forget it ever existed. Richard Garriot the man behind Ultima Online and Tabula Rasa is suing them now after they canned his last game.
As far as where I would like to see sequels. I agree Anarchy Online and Dark age of Camelot. While I wish I could say Warhammer was a sequel; it was a game built with the spirit of a sequel, but in the end failed to compare.
Games not on the list I would love to see remade include Earth and Beyond, and Planetside.
Why put CoH on there? It's still a great game and they are still constantly making improvements on it all the time. The game will probably receive a graphical update with the new expansion "Going Rogue" and they are constantly adding new game systems and new gameplay features to the game.
I do kind of hope they make a CoH 2 eventually, but as it stands now CoH is still a good fun game that can easily compete with the new games on the market.
I feel Asheron's Call and Ultima Online deserve higher places because of the 'classless' approach to their advancement, and their more free form approach to loot drops. Shadowbane deserves a spot because of its rich lore, its fantastic advancement system,and its then unique approach to city development (for an MMO). (Not to mention picking out advantages and disadvantages at character creation was alot of fun.)
Asheron's Call 2 was definately not a worthy successor to the original AC. Take a classless, open world game and turn the sequel into a class based game with a very linear world... yeah, some people just don't get it.
but since this has inexplicably failed to appear as #1 on your list or even top-5 for that matter i trust it will appear on your next week's "top 5 epic fail remakes" column on the #1 position as it deserves.
OK, since it keeps coming up, you're getting my answer as to why I left SWG off. There were a few reasons:
#1) SWTOR - No one is going to remake a game when someone else is making another game in that universe. Probably not even legally possible.
#2) You're not talking about a remake, you're talking about a reversion. If this was the top 5 games that got worse over time, then you'd have a good argument. This wasn't what I was writing about. Although, that might be a future list, and I assure you, SWG would be in the top 2 (UO would have an argument too)
#3) Generally people only remake successful games. By their own standards, every game on this list was successful. SWG, by its standards, was not. That's why they did the NGE. I realize it's not popular, but people often forget that the game was in such a state that the company felt compelled to totally redo it midstream. A bonehead decision? Sure, but they didn't do it just to piss you off, they did it because they felt that's what they had to do to ensure the future of the product.
#4) Lastly, SWG only came out in 2003, which makes it newer in it's original state than 4 of the 5 games on the list. The only newer one, CoH is already getting me some flack for having it on there... and as I said, I have my reasons. SWG, as it exists today, has only existed since 2005. And visually - one of the main reasons to remake something - it is not really outdated.
1) Correct me if I am wrong, but Warhammer was in development after being a scrapped project from another company. Also there is a Warhammer 40k game being developed while Warhammer was also being developed? So it seems like it is somewhat possible to what you claim isn't.
2) True about revision, but it would be nice to see another decent sandbox game get a sequel. Not that I am complaining, because you covered most of what I would have voted for with UO on the list, which I think would make a better sequel than swg.
3) SWG was a very successful game. It was the second most popular and populated western mmo on the market for a good deal of time. Maybe swg wasn't successful enough when compared to wow, but I'm positive there are many many games post July 2003 that would kill to have subscriber numbers that SWG had.
4) 6 years old still makes SWG one of the oldest games on the market.
This article should be displayed once a month on this site and sent out in email form to the respective developers. While I would only be interested in an AC or UO remake in the mold/manner discussed in this article, I'm sure their are plenty of fans of all these games who'd love to experience a new look and new adventures in these worlds (and by all means these were worlds, not the trivial "games" that are 90 day wonders that are predominantly made today).
Good write-up Dana.
Totally agreed - Dana has a complete understanding of what is going on. Now why in god's sakes does the industry turn a blind eye to such obvious logic? It's as if they do NOT want to succeed.
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What about the original NWN on AOL which is considered by some people the first MMO?
Loved DAoC and a revamped game based on the original design would be very cool. I would use a little less mass control spells though as i doubt people will put up with standing around mezzed these days. One other thing designers have to be careful with is making expansions that make characters over powered and destroying what made the original game great!
AoC is another game that was really cool and revamped would make it great again.
but since this has inexplicably failed to appear as #1 on your list or even top-5 for that matter i trust it will appear on your next week's "top 5 epic fail remakes" column on the #1 position as it deserves.
OK, since it keeps coming up, you're getting my answer as to why I left SWG off. There were a few reasons:
#1) SWTOR - No one is going to remake a game when someone else is making another game in that universe. Probably not even legally possible.
#2) You're not talking about a remake, you're talking about a reversion. If this was the top 5 games that got worse over time, then you'd have a good argument. This wasn't what I was writing about. Although, that might be a future list, and I assure you, SWG would be in the top 2 (UO would have an argument too)
#3) Generally people only remake successful games. By their own standards, every game on this list was successful. SWG, by its standards, was not. That's why they did the NGE. I realize it's not popular, but people often forget that the game was in such a state that the company felt compelled to totally redo it midstream. A bonehead decision? Sure, but they didn't do it just to piss you off, they did it because they felt that's what they had to do to ensure the future of the product.
#4) Lastly, SWG only came out in 2003, which makes it newer in it's original state than 4 of the 5 games on the list. The only newer one, CoH is already getting me some flack for having it on there... and as I said, I have my reasons. SWG, as it exists today, has only existed since 2005. And visually - one of the main reasons to remake something - it is not really outdated.
1) Correct me if I am wrong, but Warhammer was in development after being a scrapped project from another company. Also there is a Warhammer 40k game being developed while Warhammer was also being developed? So it seems like it is somewhat possible to what you claim isn't.
2) True about revision, but it would be nice to see another decent sandbox game get a sequel. Not that I am complaining, because you covered most of what I would have voted for with UO on the list, which I think would make a better sequel than swg.
3) SWG was a very successful game. It was the second most popular and populated western mmo on the market for a good deal of time. Maybe swg wasn't successful enough when compared to wow, but I'm positive there are many many games post July 2003 that would kill to have subscriber numbers that SWG had.
4) 6 years old still makes SWG one of the oldest games on the market.
1) Fantasy and 40k are different licenses, and the other Warhammer was never launched or in operation. It is likely that Lucas licenses Old Republic separately from regular Star Wars, so I suppose you have a point there, it is somewhat possible. The question is, would Lucas (or anyone else) want not one, but three competing Star Wars games out there? My suggestions kept in mind cannibalization. LA is not going to start another major MMO project when they have one on the market and another huge one coming down the pipe. So, yes, legally it may be possible, but realistically it would be bad idea.
2) Right, so we agree here. Revision and remakes are different things.
3) I agree, it had lots of subscribers, which is why I said "by its own standards." SOE and LA never seemed to think it lived up to their expectations of how big a Star Wars MMO "should" be.
4) Right, but at six years old, does it justify a remake? CoH was on there for a few reasons, but a major one is to keep their IP relevant against increased competition. I don't think you can apply that logic to Galaxies.
Bottom line, the whole NGE debate is a subject for another article and trying to shoe horn it into this one is distracting from the core point, when you yourself admit that you want a reversion, not a remake. That's like going to Burger King and demanding a BigMac. I'm sure it would be nice, but it's not what that's about
Originally posted by Gravez
"On September 25th, the MMO industry turned 12 years old. In 1997, Origin launched Ultima Online and while it wasn’t the first multi-player RPG (MUDs) or even the first one with graphics (Meridian 59), it was the first commercially visible game to hit the market and set off a chain of events that led to more half assed, poorly translated imported MMOs than anyone can possibly imagine." What about the original NWN on AOL which is considered by some people the first MMO? http://www.bladekeep.com/nwn/index2.htm
No matter what game I picked, I knew someone was going to one up me on the origin date
We can debate this forever. I picked UO because, in my opinion, it was the first major, commercially visible graphical MMO. Arbitrary? Sure, but it's where I'm measuring from... and it's my article
Dana Massey Formerly of MMORPG.com Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
One of the cool things about SciFi is guns - plasma, laser, phaser, lightning, BFG, etc. The crappy thing about every SciFi MMO is guns. The problem is that when I whip out a laser pistol and shoot a parrot, I expect to create instant fried chicken, a puff of feathers, or a puff of smoke. Instead, SciFi MMOs make you pewpew the frakkin bird from across the map until it's next to you poking your eyes out before you get it to corpse status. Planetside had a similar expectation problem. If I stick a chain gun into your bellybutton and pull the trigger I really don't think I'm going to miss over your shoulder, but that was how the Planetside chain gun worked. What moronic creatures would create such a useless weapon, much less actually try to use it in combat? A brick would be more effective. The gun problem just blows chunks and basically pushes me to skip SciFi MMOs.
This is exactly why I've never been able to get into a sci-fi MMO. Sci-fi single players (kotor) aren't usually so much of a problem with immersion. Giving someone the opportunity to single shot (counterstrike Awp) someone/something else in an MMO makes that class very overpowered.
"On September 25th, the MMO industry turned 12 years old. In 1997, Origin launched Ultima Online and while it wasn’t the first multi-player RPG (MUDs) or even the first one with graphics (Meridian 59), it was the first commercially visible game to hit the market and set off a chain of events that led to more half assed, poorly translated imported MMOs than anyone can possibly imagine." What about the original NWN on AOL which is considered by some people the first MMO? http://www.bladekeep.com/nwn/index2.htm
No matter what game I picked, I knew someone was going to one up me on the origin date
We can debate this forever. I picked UO because, in my opinion, it was the first major, commercially visible graphical MMO. Arbitrary? Sure, but it's where I'm measuring from... and it's my article
HAHA... I feel soo proud of my mmorpg.com forumteammates :-)
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Yeah right... This *is* EA after all...
If they had any intention of doing UO2 they would have long since done so.
I would like to see a new CoX, though I am interested to see Marvel, the other super hero games look lame. Make CoX into a sandbox type MMO way off the beaten path of the other Superhero MMOs. Maybe take all of the PreCU SWG ideas and make a superhero game out of that.
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I'd like to see planetside on that list - or at least something with real time combat and 3 factions.
UO
AC1
DOAC
EVE
ShadowBane
AC1 remade not ac 3... AC2 was a diff. game,
wow would need a model and graphic update
OK, since it keeps coming up, you're getting my answer as to why I left SWG off. There were a few reasons:
#1) SWTOR - No one is going to remake a game when someone else is making another game in that universe. Probably not even legally possible.
#2) You're not talking about a remake, you're talking about a reversion. If this was the top 5 games that got worse over time, then you'd have a good argument. This wasn't what I was writing about. Although, that might be a future list, and I assure you, SWG would be in the top 2
(UO would have an argument too)
#3) Generally people only remake successful games. By their own standards, every game on this list was successful. SWG, by its standards, was not. That's why they did the NGE. I realize it's not popular, but people often forget that the game was in such a state that the company felt compelled to totally redo it midstream. A bonehead decision? Sure, but they didn't do it just to piss you off, they did it because they felt that's what they had to do to ensure the future of the product.
#4) Lastly, SWG only came out in 2003, which makes it newer in it's original state than 4 of the 5 games on the list. The only newer one, CoH is already getting me some flack for having it on there... and as I said, I have my reasons. SWG, as it exists today, has only existed since 2005. And visually - one of the main reasons to remake something - it is not really outdated.
Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
I agree with everything on the list except COX. I'd play them all if they were remade.
One that you left off that I'd love to see resurrected is SWG... (yes, I know its still out there)
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I agree with Ultima Online as well. It just baffles me that no one has even tried to rip it off and make a new game.
Also, nobody probably remembers this, but a Battletech MMO would be nice. I can't remember who was working on it originally, but it got tanked because of rights issues.
The doll would surely say, "I do not want to be human!" although her master wants her to be even more.
I agree with UO. Hell I'm back playing it now. Still the best but needs an overhaul. However, you need to try the new Stygian Abyss engine, much better than KR...
UO is still the best sandbox and PvP....
On a further note... for a remake of UO, I would keep the isometric view and add zoom and camera rotation functions, kinda like in Neverwinter Nights. That way you can zoom in up close and look at battles or scenery or whatever... and then zoom out for a more functional view.
Eh, I could go on and on and on... but I won't.
The doll would surely say, "I do not want to be human!" although her master wants her to be even more.
I wish SWG was in the list but I agree, UO deserves a remake. The new SA beta client is a dream come true as far as making the old game more enjoyable but most of the graphics are still in 2D, which I kind of like since I'm nastalgic like that.
I totally agree with everything except CoH.
I believe a super hero MMO is more than enough.......now we have 3 (and another one in the making Marvel Online).
What's the point of a new one when CoH is not exactly obsolete either?
I would have put in the list a decent EQ remake............sorry but EQ2 is not what I mean.
What I am talking about is a heavily centered PVE game with a strong focus on community interaction and group play, none of that solo bullshit.....there are already too many MMO around who cater for solo players.
But the thing I cannot agree more with Dana is the UO issue.
How on earth nobody ever even tried to rip off the concept of that game and update it with modern technology is beyond my comprehension.
Yes I do agree it is not a game for everyone, but still I believe that now there is a new big market for that kind of game that wasn't there 10 years ago.
Look at the hype around Darkfall Online, and that was made by an unknown indie dev.
Can you imagine if UO is made in aAAA format by a AAA developer?
Lol EA is sleeping big time there.
Of course the new UO will kill the old one but if they do it the right way, they could get 10 times the subscribers they have at the moment.
City of Heroes has a sequel its called Champions Online. Its the same developer and the game was designed to be the sequel to COH. This isn't up for debate, they remade COH and its called Champions Online, end of story.
How sad is it that a writer made it to the front page of mmorpg, who didn't even know NCSoft was a PUBLISHER. They wern't even a good publisher, they canceled Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa... I don't trust NC Soft with any game, they want to suck it dry and then forget it ever existed. Richard Garriot the man behind Ultima Online and Tabula Rasa is suing them now after they canned his last game.
As far as where I would like to see sequels. I agree Anarchy Online and Dark age of Camelot. While I wish I could say Warhammer was a sequel; it was a game built with the spirit of a sequel, but in the end failed to compare.
Games not on the list I would love to see remade include Earth and Beyond, and Planetside.
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Why put CoH on there? It's still a great game and they are still constantly making improvements on it all the time. The game will probably receive a graphical update with the new expansion "Going Rogue" and they are constantly adding new game systems and new gameplay features to the game.
I do kind of hope they make a CoH 2 eventually, but as it stands now CoH is still a good fun game that can easily compete with the new games on the market.
Planetside! oh wait, they're already making another =P
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Excellent list.
My personal order would have been:
5-Shadowbane
4-Anarchy Online
3-DAoC
2-Asheron's Call
1-Ultima Online
I feel Asheron's Call and Ultima Online deserve higher places because of the 'classless' approach to their advancement, and their more free form approach to loot drops. Shadowbane deserves a spot because of its rich lore, its fantastic advancement system,and its then unique approach to city development (for an MMO). (Not to mention picking out advantages and disadvantages at character creation was alot of fun.)
Asheron's Call 2 was definately not a worthy successor to the original AC. Take a classless, open world game and turn the sequel into a class based game with a very linear world... yeah, some people just don't get it.
OK, since it keeps coming up, you're getting my answer as to why I left SWG off. There were a few reasons:
#1) SWTOR - No one is going to remake a game when someone else is making another game in that universe. Probably not even legally possible.
#2) You're not talking about a remake, you're talking about a reversion. If this was the top 5 games that got worse over time, then you'd have a good argument. This wasn't what I was writing about. Although, that might be a future list, and I assure you, SWG would be in the top 2
(UO would have an argument too)
#3) Generally people only remake successful games. By their own standards, every game on this list was successful. SWG, by its standards, was not. That's why they did the NGE. I realize it's not popular, but people often forget that the game was in such a state that the company felt compelled to totally redo it midstream. A bonehead decision? Sure, but they didn't do it just to piss you off, they did it because they felt that's what they had to do to ensure the future of the product.
#4) Lastly, SWG only came out in 2003, which makes it newer in it's original state than 4 of the 5 games on the list. The only newer one, CoH is already getting me some flack for having it on there... and as I said, I have my reasons. SWG, as it exists today, has only existed since 2005. And visually - one of the main reasons to remake something - it is not really outdated.
1) Correct me if I am wrong, but Warhammer was in development after being a scrapped project from another company. Also there is a Warhammer 40k game being developed while Warhammer was also being developed? So it seems like it is somewhat possible to what you claim isn't.
2) True about revision, but it would be nice to see another decent sandbox game get a sequel. Not that I am complaining, because you covered most of what I would have voted for with UO on the list, which I think would make a better sequel than swg.
3) SWG was a very successful game. It was the second most popular and populated western mmo on the market for a good deal of time. Maybe swg wasn't successful enough when compared to wow, but I'm positive there are many many games post July 2003 that would kill to have subscriber numbers that SWG had.
4) 6 years old still makes SWG one of the oldest games on the market.
Totally agreed - Dana has a complete understanding of what is going on. Now why in god's sakes does the industry turn a blind eye to such obvious logic? It's as if they do NOT want to succeed.
You misses Planetside!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"On September 25th, the MMO industry turned 12 years old. In 1997, Origin launched Ultima Online and while it wasn’t the first multi-player RPG (MUDs) or even the first one with graphics (Meridian 59), it was the first commercially visible game to hit the market and set off a chain of events that led to more half assed, poorly translated imported MMOs than anyone can possibly imagine."
What about the original NWN on AOL which is considered by some people the first MMO?
http://www.bladekeep.com/nwn/index2.htm
Loved DAoC and a revamped game based on the original design would be very cool. I would use a little less mass control spells though as i doubt people will put up with standing around mezzed these days. One other thing designers have to be careful with is making expansions that make characters over powered and destroying what made the original game great!
AoC is another game that was really cool and revamped would make it great again.
OK, since it keeps coming up, you're getting my answer as to why I left SWG off. There were a few reasons:
#1) SWTOR - No one is going to remake a game when someone else is making another game in that universe. Probably not even legally possible.
#2) You're not talking about a remake, you're talking about a reversion. If this was the top 5 games that got worse over time, then you'd have a good argument. This wasn't what I was writing about. Although, that might be a future list, and I assure you, SWG would be in the top 2
(UO would have an argument too)
#3) Generally people only remake successful games. By their own standards, every game on this list was successful. SWG, by its standards, was not. That's why they did the NGE. I realize it's not popular, but people often forget that the game was in such a state that the company felt compelled to totally redo it midstream. A bonehead decision? Sure, but they didn't do it just to piss you off, they did it because they felt that's what they had to do to ensure the future of the product.
#4) Lastly, SWG only came out in 2003, which makes it newer in it's original state than 4 of the 5 games on the list. The only newer one, CoH is already getting me some flack for having it on there... and as I said, I have my reasons. SWG, as it exists today, has only existed since 2005. And visually - one of the main reasons to remake something - it is not really outdated.
1) Correct me if I am wrong, but Warhammer was in development after being a scrapped project from another company. Also there is a Warhammer 40k game being developed while Warhammer was also being developed? So it seems like it is somewhat possible to what you claim isn't.
2) True about revision, but it would be nice to see another decent sandbox game get a sequel. Not that I am complaining, because you covered most of what I would have voted for with UO on the list, which I think would make a better sequel than swg.
3) SWG was a very successful game. It was the second most popular and populated western mmo on the market for a good deal of time. Maybe swg wasn't successful enough when compared to wow, but I'm positive there are many many games post July 2003 that would kill to have subscriber numbers that SWG had.
4) 6 years old still makes SWG one of the oldest games on the market.
1) Fantasy and 40k are different licenses, and the other Warhammer was never launched or in operation. It is likely that Lucas licenses Old Republic separately from regular Star Wars, so I suppose you have a point there, it is somewhat possible. The question is, would Lucas (or anyone else) want not one, but three competing Star Wars games out there? My suggestions kept in mind cannibalization. LA is not going to start another major MMO project when they have one on the market and another huge one coming down the pipe. So, yes, legally it may be possible, but realistically it would be bad idea.
2) Right, so we agree here. Revision and remakes are different things.
3) I agree, it had lots of subscribers, which is why I said "by its own standards." SOE and LA never seemed to think it lived up to their expectations of how big a Star Wars MMO "should" be.
4) Right, but at six years old, does it justify a remake? CoH was on there for a few reasons, but a major one is to keep their IP relevant against increased competition. I don't think you can apply that logic to Galaxies.
Bottom line, the whole NGE debate is a subject for another article and trying to shoe horn it into this one is distracting from the core point, when you yourself admit that you want a reversion, not a remake. That's like going to Burger King and demanding a BigMac. I'm sure it would be nice, but it's not what that's about
No matter what game I picked, I knew someone was going to one up me on the origin date
We can debate this forever. I picked UO because, in my opinion, it was the first major, commercially visible graphical MMO. Arbitrary? Sure, but it's where I'm measuring from... and it's my article
Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
This is exactly why I've never been able to get into a sci-fi MMO. Sci-fi single players (kotor) aren't usually so much of a problem with immersion. Giving someone the opportunity to single shot (counterstrike Awp) someone/something else in an MMO makes that class very overpowered.
No matter what game I picked, I knew someone was going to one up me on the origin date
We can debate this forever. I picked UO because, in my opinion, it was the first major, commercially visible graphical MMO. Arbitrary? Sure, but it's where I'm measuring from... and it's my article
HAHA... I feel soo proud of my mmorpg.com forumteammates :-)
we can one up anyone :-)