Vampire Bloodlines was one of the very best action-adventure-rpgs ever! Anyone who likes the setting should try to find a cheap version of it and install it together with unofficial patch 6.x... This Setting translated into an MMO could be working very very well.
I completely agree. I would pay a monthly fee to play in an MMO that was designed like Bloodlines =D
A vampire-centric game really would be great. As opposed to a Vampire (good) and Vampire (bad) game... why not offer a slightly more open game with more 'factions' involved? Vampire (good) vs Vampire (bad) vs Humans (vampire hunters) vs NPC/PVE (other supernatural forces, werewolves, changlings, humans of various types (some might be vampire slaves/protectors).
I think this could be done. I think it would have a chance... a very good chance, honestly.
The setting would be key, imho. Are we talking old world or current timeframe? Are we talking recreating our Earth and utilizing that?
Something along the lines of Vampire of the Masquerade would be quite cool.
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Off topic... Whoever mentioned a Highlander game... could be cool. But if there 'can be only one'... how cool would it really be? I would see this as more of a FPS-ish game like Call of Duty. Each round you (team v team or every man for himself styles) you would simply fight until only 1 player was left alive. I mean, surely someone could manage to create a MMO out of this, and I would certainly look at it... but I'm just not sure how that would be done.
The vampire-genre just seems like 'low hanging fruit' at this point for some dev to come along and snatch up.
On the other hand... If there where other parties like werewolfs, dragons, tree-spirits, giant water snakes (all playable of course) or whatever has been invented in years of high fantasy it would be a nice thing apart form all this "Human, Elven, Dwarven vs. Villians" grind and yawn games.
No offence intended, but I wonder why some people freak out and go "aww, hell no!" when they hear about vampires in gaming media. Sure, there are some works out there that give vampires a bad name (primarily, Twilight and it's ilk), but actual video game vampires? I don't really recall them being all that bad (Vampire Rain, khm) or there actually being a whole lot of them, and in most cases they're good to average titles (Legacy of Kain, both Masquerade titles, Blood Rayne.... nothing really to run around and cry how bad it was).
So "sure" I say, bring them on, make ANY vampire game you can think of... I sure think we could use more of them.
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
I'm a female gamer and I would be interested in a vampire MMO. And yes, girls buy things cuz we dont have the time to grind. While I'm playing, dinner still needs to be cooked, laundry needs to be done...and my strong husband and child still are too weak to do them. So I get it all done...and tank the boss!
I would play a vampire MMO, actually if there is also a werewolf race a la Underworld would be great too
Agreed
I just don't think they can do this and make all the masses happy at the same time. They'll either do it all cheesy like or get the races wrong to 50% of the lore nuts.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
(AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Fires volley upon volleys of plungers in iceland)
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care. Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
pretty tired of reading these "Why nots" got anything else to write about? i got more why nots than you.
I know you're trying to troll, but honestly, I agree. This was pretty close to the bottom of my "why not" barrel for now
...I'm likely going to adopt a new premise in the coming weeks.
Anyone got any suggestions?
I have one. "Why haven't they..." First topic?
Why haven't they fired you as a writer yet? You're by far the worst addition to MMORPG.com and even though I will probably be banned for that statement, I stand by it. A vampire MMO? Really!? REALLY!?
It's bad enough that I have to deal with my 12-14 year old students convinced that vampires are real because of garbage like Twilight, Vampire Diaries, True Blood, etc. It's ok to have fantasies but to feed this continual delusion of vampiric beings just to profit off the insanity of youth is another thing. This industry does not crave a new audience, it craves a unique world that does not promise everything and fail to deliver on anything. The MMO community has burned itself out on investing time, fandom, money, and patience into developers that only seek to get World of Warcraft-like returns off something with minimal work on their part.
There is an audience for vampires but the MMO community is not that audience. If we were, a developer would have already made such a game. Perhaps I will eat some crow when the new Whitewolf MMO comes out but until then, I think it will be an abysmal failure. I know MMO players good sir, and MMO players are not teenage girls getting goofy romantic over the idea of someone biting their neck in the dead of night.
You Sir are a D**k.
Vampires have for a long time been a great source of entertainment for many many people.
When you say "It's ok to have fantasies but to feed this continual delusion of vampiric beings just to profit off the insanity of youth is another thing." I am not too sure what you mean, do we not play games because we wish to be entartained??? If someone likes the whole Vampire genre it does not mean that they are in some sort of delusion.
If that were the case, there are a whole lot of people on these forums that believe they are wizards, warlocks, trolls, orks, elves and goblins. Your comments have little to no grounding in fact. I understand that this was probably an attempt at trolling but I could not let this go. You claim that you have "Students" which would suggest you are some sort of educator, if you truely believe that your students are (and I quote) "convinced that vampires are real because of garbage like Twilight, Vampire Diaries, True Blood, etc." then I feel sorry for you. Teenagers often have more idea about the real world than some of the adults I know.
I fail to understand how you could possibly teach these kids anything when you obviously have very little idea of what goes on in their minds.
Back to the topic at hand, I think a Vampire MMO could be just what this sometimes flailing industry needs.
Yes I too could find a few deranged adults, in a mental institution or something that know less about the world than a teenager.
Sorry but the only people who think that teenagers understand more about the world than adults tend to be teenagers or overly proud parents.
On this basis I would expect a ten year old to understand more about that world than a teenager? As you can see the argument falls rather flat. On the other hand the idea that teenagers think they understand everything when they don’t is blatantly obvious. Take Peaches Geldof for example, who understands the world better than anyone over the age of twenty.
As an older fella once said (sorry Peaches) “I am too old to old to know everything.”
pretty tired of reading these "Why nots" got anything else to write about? i got more why nots than you.
If they would have done some research on this site they would have discover a topic from 2 years ago that discuss this already in lenght by community.
Massey again not original and come up with ideas thats already discussed by mmorpg.com community.
Oh and for idea that vampire games make more girls play is also just a gues i realy doub there will play more girls this kind of games.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
In this week's column, Dana Massey explores a genre that might well finally solve an age old problem for game developers. How do you get guys and girls in the same game? The answer? Vampires! There is one genre out there that is relatively untested by MMOs and even games in general. It’s popular, one of the hottest sub-genres out there right now in fact, and perfectly suited to gaming. It also appeals to both men and women, albeit in different ways. So today, I ask you: Why not a Vampire MMO? MMOs have always been a bit of an old boys club. Sure, women do play them, but no game has come even close to an even split. It could simply be that women don’t like video games, but if anyone can overcome that and make a game that both men and women enjoy equally, they’re going to be a very rich company.
You need to keep up with the times. World of Darkness is already making a Vampire MMO. How do you not know this? It will be the new Vampire (Requiem) . There are also rumors of a Twilight MMO. I bet vampires will have the sparkle ability. Also the thing about getting the female vampire fan? Won't happen unless the game has a big emphasis on story and most MMOs don't. It's just about kill this person, level up and get gold and loot. So unless other MMOs follow Biowares idea of the 4th pillar I can't see a Vampire MMO attracting the female vampire fan.
...paragraph 4.
Originally posted by Evasia
Originally posted by aleos
pretty tired of reading these "Why nots" got anything else to write about? i got more why nots than you.
If they would have done some research on this site they would have discover a topic from 2 years ago that discuss this already in lenght by community.
Massey again not original and come up with ideas thats already discussed by mmorpg.com community.
Oh and for idea that vampire games make more girls play is also just a gues i realy doub there will play more girls this kind of games.
We have over 1 million members and over 3 million posts. You cannot honestly expect that I've read every single one and cross check that before writing a new article? If you guys discussed it, awesome. Link it and maybe there are some posts in there that can add to the discussion, but you cannot expect us to be aware of every post on our forums.
Dana Massey Formerly of MMORPG.com Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
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I got your vampire for you: play a shadow priest in WoW =P.
But seriously, what is up with all the Twilight hate? I bet most of you who are bashing it haven't even read the books. All four of them, that is, the last one is the best. I once almost towed the same line, until my little sister got me to read them. Yes, my little sister. Also, if you are judging the books based on the movie, the movie sucked IMO.
IDK if I could play a vampire MMO for this reason: it would likely be PvP based, with very few traditional raid bosses. When was the last time you saw vampires team up to save the world?
Never. They are always fighting their own little wars: fighting some town of people they have taken one too many meals from, fighting each other, fighting werewolves, fighting some other species of undead. That is the perfect setup for PvP.
First of all the World of Darkness MMO being worked on could potentially be a strictly Vampire MMO since that was White-Wolfs first Table Top game they brought out and was easily the most popular of them.
Secondly its not really too far fetched to have an mmo vampire game, The Vampire game Masquerade and Requim from White wolf already show us a good number of "Vampire Classes" that people could play. All you would need to do is add a more in depth Talent tree to those Disciplines, decide what era the vampire game you wanted to play in, since as cool as it would be to have multiple era vampire servers for one game it sounds more like something that would be impractical.
Modern day would be fine as it would be fine although the idea of cars, trains, and other vehicles could be a problem. The Biggest problem would be that most vampire games in general are social games by nature, which MMOs fail at which is storyline driven games, its hard to make a story driven game for a million players and have it be unique to each and every one.
If it can be done and well it would probably redefine content in an MMO as we know it, sadly its a larger undertaking than I think we can comprehend.
I have read this whole thread. I am waiting on WoD, and think that CCP having it is excellent. As far as 3 factions - From my experiences with Vampire TM - would there not, potentially be more than 3 Vampires, Werewolves, nad Hunters? Seems that the Vampire types were not that friendly to each other either and there could be great interaction there.
There is a series of books that has vampires, mages, werewolves, Fairies, demons, etc that could be a good base for a MMO. That is the Harry Dresden series by Jim Butcher. It even had a war with sides that were changeable. # vampire factions: White(sex), Red, and Black(the nosferatu, rotting corpse type). Just a thought.
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I completely agree. I would pay a monthly fee to play in an MMO that was designed like Bloodlines =D
A vampire-centric game really would be great. As opposed to a Vampire (good) and Vampire (bad) game... why not offer a slightly more open game with more 'factions' involved? Vampire (good) vs Vampire (bad) vs Humans (vampire hunters) vs NPC/PVE (other supernatural forces, werewolves, changlings, humans of various types (some might be vampire slaves/protectors).
I think this could be done. I think it would have a chance... a very good chance, honestly.
The setting would be key, imho. Are we talking old world or current timeframe? Are we talking recreating our Earth and utilizing that?
Something along the lines of Vampire of the Masquerade would be quite cool.
...
Off topic... Whoever mentioned a Highlander game... could be cool. But if there 'can be only one'... how cool would it really be? I would see this as more of a FPS-ish game like Call of Duty. Each round you (team v team or every man for himself styles) you would simply fight until only 1 player was left alive. I mean, surely someone could manage to create a MMO out of this, and I would certainly look at it... but I'm just not sure how that would be done.
The vampire-genre just seems like 'low hanging fruit' at this point for some dev to come along and snatch up.
Oh no. No more Vampires please!
On the other hand... If there where other parties like werewolfs, dragons, tree-spirits, giant water snakes (all playable of course) or whatever has been invented in years of high fantasy it would be a nice thing apart form all this "Human, Elven, Dwarven vs. Villians" grind and yawn games.
No offence intended, but I wonder why some people freak out and go "aww, hell no!" when they hear about vampires in gaming media. Sure, there are some works out there that give vampires a bad name (primarily, Twilight and it's ilk), but actual video game vampires? I don't really recall them being all that bad (Vampire Rain, khm) or there actually being a whole lot of them, and in most cases they're good to average titles (Legacy of Kain, both Masquerade titles, Blood Rayne.... nothing really to run around and cry how bad it was).
So "sure" I say, bring them on, make ANY vampire game you can think of... I sure think we could use more of them.
I fear we would end up with a bunch female "characters" played by (male) "Lestats" sitting behind their keyboards, hehe.
I'm a female gamer and I would be interested in a vampire MMO. And yes, girls buy things cuz we dont have the time to grind. While I'm playing, dinner still needs to be cooked, laundry needs to be done...and my strong husband and child still are too weak to do them. So I get it all done...and tank the boss!
I would play a vampire MMO, actually if there is also a werewolf race a la Underworld would be great too
I would love anything that is not a copy of WoW.
Vampire MMO
Napolionic era war mmo
Agreed
I just don't think they can do this and make all the masses happy at the same time. They'll either do it all cheesy like or get the races wrong to 50% of the lore nuts.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
World of Darkness MMORPG that's in development by CCP.
"Why Not" wait for that?
if there is a vampire mmo why do people think it would be based of twilight
TILER
MOORE
Give me my WOD CCP and hurry it up!
(AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Fires volley upon volleys of plungers in iceland)
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
I know you're trying to troll, but honestly, I agree. This was pretty close to the bottom of my "why not" barrel for now
...I'm likely going to adopt a new premise in the coming weeks.
Anyone got any suggestions?
I have one. "Why haven't they..." First topic?
Why haven't they fired you as a writer yet? You're by far the worst addition to MMORPG.com and even though I will probably be banned for that statement, I stand by it. A vampire MMO? Really!? REALLY!?
It's bad enough that I have to deal with my 12-14 year old students convinced that vampires are real because of garbage like Twilight, Vampire Diaries, True Blood, etc. It's ok to have fantasies but to feed this continual delusion of vampiric beings just to profit off the insanity of youth is another thing. This industry does not crave a new audience, it craves a unique world that does not promise everything and fail to deliver on anything. The MMO community has burned itself out on investing time, fandom, money, and patience into developers that only seek to get World of Warcraft-like returns off something with minimal work on their part.
There is an audience for vampires but the MMO community is not that audience. If we were, a developer would have already made such a game. Perhaps I will eat some crow when the new Whitewolf MMO comes out but until then, I think it will be an abysmal failure. I know MMO players good sir, and MMO players are not teenage girls getting goofy romantic over the idea of someone biting their neck in the dead of night.
You Sir are a D**k.
Vampires have for a long time been a great source of entertainment for many many people.
When you say "It's ok to have fantasies but to feed this continual delusion of vampiric beings just to profit off the insanity of youth is another thing." I am not too sure what you mean, do we not play games because we wish to be entartained??? If someone likes the whole Vampire genre it does not mean that they are in some sort of delusion.
If that were the case, there are a whole lot of people on these forums that believe they are wizards, warlocks, trolls, orks, elves and goblins. Your comments have little to no grounding in fact. I understand that this was probably an attempt at trolling but I could not let this go. You claim that you have "Students" which would suggest you are some sort of educator, if you truely believe that your students are (and I quote) "convinced that vampires are real because of garbage like Twilight, Vampire Diaries, True Blood, etc." then I feel sorry for you. Teenagers often have more idea about the real world than some of the adults I know.
I fail to understand how you could possibly teach these kids anything when you obviously have very little idea of what goes on in their minds.
Back to the topic at hand, I think a Vampire MMO could be just what this sometimes flailing industry needs.
I for one welcome new ideas just like this.
Honestly, that says more about those adults than teenagers.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Honestly, that says more about those adults than teenagers.
lol, agreed but my point still stands
Yes I too could find a few deranged adults, in a mental institution or something that know less about the world than a teenager.
Sorry but the only people who think that teenagers understand more about the world than adults tend to be teenagers or overly proud parents.
On this basis I would expect a ten year old to understand more about that world than a teenager? As you can see the argument falls rather flat. On the other hand the idea that teenagers think they understand everything when they don’t is blatantly obvious. Take Peaches Geldof for example, who understands the world better than anyone over the age of twenty.
As an older fella once said (sorry Peaches) “I am too old to old to know everything.”
If they would have done some research on this site they would have discover a topic from 2 years ago that discuss this already in lenght by community.
Massey again not original and come up with ideas thats already discussed by mmorpg.com community.
Oh and for idea that vampire games make more girls play is also just a gues i realy doub there will play more girls this kind of games.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
"Peaches Geldof"
Until I looked this up, I was imagining the least appealing dessert ever.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Read it all here.
You need to keep up with the times. World of Darkness is already making a Vampire MMO. How do you not know this? It will be the new Vampire (Requiem) . There are also rumors of a Twilight MMO. I bet vampires will have the sparkle ability. Also the thing about getting the female vampire fan? Won't happen unless the game has a big emphasis on story and most MMOs don't. It's just about kill this person, level up and get gold and loot. So unless other MMOs follow Biowares idea of the 4th pillar I can't see a Vampire MMO attracting the female vampire fan.
...paragraph 4.
If they would have done some research on this site they would have discover a topic from 2 years ago that discuss this already in lenght by community.
Massey again not original and come up with ideas thats already discussed by mmorpg.com community.
Oh and for idea that vampire games make more girls play is also just a gues i realy doub there will play more girls this kind of games.
We have over 1 million members and over 3 million posts. You cannot honestly expect that I've read every single one and cross check that before writing a new article? If you guys discussed it, awesome. Link it and maybe there are some posts in there that can add to the discussion, but you cannot expect us to be aware of every post on our forums.
Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
I got your vampire for you: play a shadow priest in WoW =P.
But seriously, what is up with all the Twilight hate? I bet most of you who are bashing it haven't even read the books. All four of them, that is, the last one is the best. I once almost towed the same line, until my little sister got me to read them. Yes, my little sister. Also, if you are judging the books based on the movie, the movie sucked IMO.
IDK if I could play a vampire MMO for this reason: it would likely be PvP based, with very few traditional raid bosses. When was the last time you saw vampires team up to save the world?
Never. They are always fighting their own little wars: fighting some town of people they have taken one too many meals from, fighting each other, fighting werewolves, fighting some other species of undead. That is the perfect setup for PvP.
World of Darkness, nuff said
/agree
First of all the World of Darkness MMO being worked on could potentially be a strictly Vampire MMO since that was White-Wolfs first Table Top game they brought out and was easily the most popular of them.
Secondly its not really too far fetched to have an mmo vampire game, The Vampire game Masquerade and Requim from White wolf already show us a good number of "Vampire Classes" that people could play. All you would need to do is add a more in depth Talent tree to those Disciplines, decide what era the vampire game you wanted to play in, since as cool as it would be to have multiple era vampire servers for one game it sounds more like something that would be impractical.
Modern day would be fine as it would be fine although the idea of cars, trains, and other vehicles could be a problem. The Biggest problem would be that most vampire games in general are social games by nature, which MMOs fail at which is storyline driven games, its hard to make a story driven game for a million players and have it be unique to each and every one.
If it can be done and well it would probably redefine content in an MMO as we know it, sadly its a larger undertaking than I think we can comprehend.
Dark Eden was a vampire vs. slayers MMO. But its 2,5D and there should be a new one.
I have read this whole thread. I am waiting on WoD, and think that CCP having it is excellent. As far as 3 factions - From my experiences with Vampire TM - would there not, potentially be more than 3 Vampires, Werewolves, nad Hunters? Seems that the Vampire types were not that friendly to each other either and there could be great interaction there.
There is a series of books that has vampires, mages, werewolves, Fairies, demons, etc that could be a good base for a MMO. That is the Harry Dresden series by Jim Butcher. It even had a war with sides that were changeable. # vampire factions: White(sex), Red, and Black(the nosferatu, rotting corpse type). Just a thought.
However, I am eagerly awaiting WoD.