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WTF happened to "1 hero class per xpac"???
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I learned one lesson after all these years...
If you don't play the game anymore on a 24/24 basis, please don't discuss detailed game elements with the active players base.
You always get a backfire.
That's what's making it also so easy to defend WOW btw.
It changes so much, by the time the complaining of old players hits the floor, the game already has surpassed the elements of complaints
Like the over powered DK's (no nerving,.. wait ;;. no OP boosts, ... wait no nerving etc ....)
Remember the QQ'ing about WL 8 months ago. WL are now everywhere in the arena teams.
So lesson learned: those who PLAY the game are happy with the new dual specs (never promised) and these active players have 30 class branches. More than enough to handle the difficult balance problems.
Housing would come in handy of course, but I'll let Blizzard do the work/ while I am simply .. a player. Most people forget that.
About the player housing 1 hero per, scenario.
Now I don't really care either way right or wrong it doesn't matter, so just for arguments sake. In most circumstances such would be viewed as the classic carrot on a stick trick, Devs like to use when nothing's going on or when they want to bait you along. It's not only Bliz that does this, they all do. It just shows they aren't any different than the rest I'll stress that that doesn't mean it's bad it just happens. In a lot of cases this pisses customers off, now I've seen you both in other forums bringing the slightest issue to light, to knock on a dev team or company. Now is this a double standard or what?
As for Zorn's post:
Honestly that could be said about just about any issue in any game on the market.Remember that next time you talk about another companies MMO.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Since you brought it up, DAoC had over 30+ classes, with 3 specs per class. That was my first game, so yeah, I'm spoiled.
Seriously????!?!? After the debacle that happened with Deathknights you honestly WANT another???
Some people....
I'm only kidding, I mean no insult or w/e but honestly... deathknights I personally thought was an absolutely HORRIBLE idea, only because they were so god-damn OP. I highly doubt that blizzard will make another hero class that ISN'T OP.
It was a good idea, poorly executed. Blizz should have made it FAAAR more difficult to unlock the class...such as perhaps some sort of epic questline that the above-55 toon had to complete, then they could create a DK, and go through the whole rebellion line.
As it is, I'm sorta glad they are a dime-a-dozen. Now I can roll a hunter if I want, and not have it automatically assumed that I'm a moron, since DKs have taken the 'tard crown.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
Your analogy is pretty bad, because you offered someone something and then took it away after the date it was due. Blizzard never promised, guaranteed, vowed or gave any assurance that the things people are claiming would absolutely come true. It just didn't happen that way. Go read the quotes and then tell me where anyone was lied to or assured those things would happen.
Lets put it this way
Monday: your friend calls you up and suggests you get together on Saturday if they get all their work done this week. They will bring pizza and beer to watch college football with you.
Wednesday they call you and inform you that work got backed up and they won't be able to come over on saturday, because they things didn't work out the way they hoped it would.
Did you know it was possible that plans might change? Did your friend tell you in advance plans changed?
Now, do you think it would be appropriate to bitch about your friends actions? To call them a liar?
Also, I'm not glorifying or crusifying blizzard. I am just debunking the misinformation that some people are spreading. I have no problem discussing blizzards failures as well as their successes, but I will not twist comments into something they are not just to do nerd rage.
Just like Locks were "OP"(then got nerfed so badly few people played them any more...They've only recently started to come back). Just like Retrib pallies were "OP", and warriors, and shammies... Are you starting to see a pattern here? ANY class that happens to be fun to play, and who may be effective at their role(in the case of death knights, thats anti caster) gets hit with oceans of QQ's and hysterical howls that they are "OP"!!(rolls eyes). Instead of keeping PvP and PvE skills separate(so that PvP can be "balanced" without wrecking PvE) Blizzard in its infinite "wisdom" has been playing this wack a nerf game since the days of Diabol1. FOTM is only one of the drawbacks to that approach.
They also said there would be Guild Halls, but that was back in '03 or '04. Things change.
There you go again saying blizzard lied. That implies they make a promise that has been broken. Care to show me where they made a promise?
Blizzard on player housing
Look Grandpa, I did your homework for you and guess what, it proves you wrong. Read the quotes. Obviously Blizzard would like to do housing just like they wanted to do 1 hero class per expansion, but that didn't happen. Note it was NEVER promised. Now I know why you don't post links to prove your statements, because they show you to be wrong.
Either you are intentionally misrepresenting the facts or you are just a flat out liar who wants to hate on something. It doesn't take to much to figure out which.
Like I said before, you are they type of person who misconstrues everything developers say and then whine and cry just to hear your own voice and feel like you have made a valid point. All you are really doing is wasting bandwidth on misinformation.
Guess eluding at things is a good way for Blizz to go, that way when they dont follow through they come out squeaky clean.
They also said there would be Guild Halls, but that was back in '03 or '04. Things change.
Guild Halls? No im sure they never said that, they most likely said they would like to.
There you go again saying blizzard lied. That implies they make a promise that has been broken. Care to show me where they made a promise?
Blizzard on player housing
Look Grandpa, I did your homework for you and guess what, it proves you wrong. Read the quotes. Obviously Blizzard would like to do housing just like they wanted to do 1 hero class per expansion, but that didn't happen. Note it was NEVER promised. Now I know why you don't post links to prove your statements, because they show you to be wrong.
Either you are intentionally misrepresenting the facts or you are just a flat out liar who wants to hate on something. It doesn't take to much to figure out which.
Like I said before, you are they type of person who misconstrues everything developers say and then whine and cry just to hear your own voice and feel like you have made a valid point. All you are really doing is wasting bandwidth on misinformation.
Read it again, I said the haters must me telling a lie. you are i such a hurry to jump to the defense of your favorite devs that you are misquoting there Daffi.
So now it isn't that blizzard lied like you claimed to know from your infallible memory. Now they are ALLUDING to something.
I guess this is the closest you can come to saying "Sorry I do not know what the fuck I am talking about and apologize for calling people names".
Thanks Grandpa, you are free to go now.
There you go again saying blizzard lied. That implies they make a promise that has been broken. Care to show me where they made a promise?
Blizzard on player housing
Look Grandpa, I did your homework for you and guess what, it proves you wrong. Read the quotes. Obviously Blizzard would like to do housing just like they wanted to do 1 hero class per expansion, but that didn't happen. Note it was NEVER promised. Now I know why you don't post links to prove your statements, because they show you to be wrong.
Either you are intentionally misrepresenting the facts or you are just a flat out liar who wants to hate on something. It doesn't take to much to figure out which.
Like I said before, you are they type of person who misconstrues everything developers say and then whine and cry just to hear your own voice and feel like you have made a valid point. All you are really doing is wasting bandwidth on misinformation.
Read it again, I said the haters must me telling a lie. you are i such a hurry to jump to the defense of your favorite devs that you are misquoting there Daffi.
What part of the wiki that clearly shows quotes from the blizzard development team talking about housing were you unable to understand?
It seem every time you fail to comprehend simple statements you resort to calling everyone else a liar. Do you seriously have that much trouble clicking a link and reading a post?
So now it isn't that blizzard lied like you claimed to know from your infallible memory. Now they are ALLUDING to something.
I guess this is the closest you can come to saying "Sorry I do not know what the fuck I am talking about and apologize for calling people names".
Thanks Grandpa, you are free to go now.
So now Blizz never said they were even "planning on housing"?" I dont know what your Blizz boys are doing for you but it must be something special. Oh and in your arrogance you forgot I am free to go or stay as I choose, but then again im not owned by a game company.
There you go again saying blizzard lied. That implies they make a promise that has been broken. Care to show me where they made a promise?
Blizzard on player housing
Look Grandpa, I did your homework for you and guess what, it proves you wrong. Read the quotes. Obviously Blizzard would like to do housing just like they wanted to do 1 hero class per expansion, but that didn't happen. Note it was NEVER promised. Now I know why you don't post links to prove your statements, because they show you to be wrong.
Either you are intentionally misrepresenting the facts or you are just a flat out liar who wants to hate on something. It doesn't take to much to figure out which.
Like I said before, you are they type of person who misconstrues everything developers say and then whine and cry just to hear your own voice and feel like you have made a valid point. All you are really doing is wasting bandwidth on misinformation.
Read it again, I said the haters must me telling a lie. you are i such a hurry to jump to the defense of your favorite devs that you are misquoting there Daffi.
What part of the wiki that clearly shows quotes from the blizzard development team talking about housing were you unable to understand?
It seem every time you fail to comprehend simple statements you resort to calling everyone else a liar. Do you seriously have that much trouble clicking a link and reading a post?
Again, where did i call anyone a liar in that post? As ive said before, you see what you choose to see and think everyone else is as blind as you are. Your attempts at superiority are very over rated and a bit pathetic,
They promised hero classes were "coming soon" when the game launched, so why is anyone surprised? And given the issues with balancing DKs, it's understandable they don't just cram new classes into every expansion. Personally I'm looking forward to the old zones getting an overhaul.
Anything posted by a CM on the blizzard site is rarely official (unless stickied and stated otherwise), like Neth said is was a plan of theirs and as blizzard has said many many times, plans do change.
Blizzard has never promised anything ever, and taking any statement they say as a promise is your fault not blizzards.
Unless Blizzard actually says they promise to do something, you should never expect it to happen ever.
They say here why they decided to go with new races intstead of classes, nothing in too indepth but they give the reason.
www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/15/view/videos/play/1522/World-of-Warcraft-AGDC-09-Production-Director-Interview-.html
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Again, where did i call anyone a liar in that post? As ive said before, you see what you choose to see and think everyone else is as blind as you are. Your attempts at superiority are very over rated and a bit pathetic,
This is exactly what I mean, you simply cannot or intentionally pretend not to comprehend what is written once you get called out. I made clear statements about you calling BLIZZARD a liar. Here and Here Don't pretend to not understand what I said.
Perhaps if you spent more time reading instead of thinking about what you are going to say, you might actually follow the discussion in a thread and not spew so many inaccuracies.
You asked for links to prove you wrong and I supplied them. [Link]
Now stop wasting peoples time with your misinformation.
Again, where did i call anyone a liar in that post? As ive said before, you see what you choose to see and think everyone else is as blind as you are. Your attempts at superiority are very over rated and a bit pathetic,
This is exactly what I mean, you simply cannot or intentionally pretend not to comprehend what is written once you get called out. I made clear statements about you calling BLIZZARD a liar. Here and Here Don't pretend to not understand what I said.
Perhaps if you spent more time reading instead of thinking about what you are going to say, you might actually follow the discussion in a thread and not spew so many inaccuracies.
You asked for links to prove you wrong and I supplied them. [Link]
Now stop wasting peoples time with your misinformation.
Yes yes, we all understand at this point. Blizz can mislead all it wants too with "we would like" or "we intend" and as long as it wasnt written in blood somewhere the wow faithful will not only defend, they will also explain to all of us how hero classes, player housing and guild halls were never promised. Do you get paid by the week or by the hour?
plans change regardless of promises. for example i promise to take my son fishing in few months but boss calls for business trip that week. have to break promise or get fired. of course i would keep job and change fishing plans. blizz planned to make heroes but plans changed when they realized DK was alot work alone.
Its funny, cause if this was SOE everyone would be frothing at teh mouth about how evil they are.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
You mean that SOE isn't Evil??<blink, blink> Thats like saying that water at room temperature isn't wet
Blizzard has to my knowledge never officially stated that there would be a hero class with each expansion. Which is just as well considering how they messed up the death knight class. It started out being a blast to play. After months and months of nerfing, I can't see the point any more.
Blizzard has always been a company that if they do not like something no matter what they said or promised it will not release. I have to respect them for that. Maybe they tried to make a new class, but when they looked at what they had they did not like it.
Honestly, people are not bitching, because it is easy to understand that 1 hero class per expansion and player housing were only possibilities. All developers talk about things they would like to do in the future and sometimes those things never make it into the game. That is why the developers are very clear that they are only possibilities.
Soe does the same thing, as well as every other developer. They don't make these type of comments to deceive or make false promises. Most open minded people don't cry about it as if they have been lied to or that the statements were a promise of something, because they can read what these are only possibilities and not guarantees.
Yes yes, we all understand at this point. Blizz can mislead all it wants too with "we would like" or "we intend" and as long as it wasnt written in blood somewhere the wow faithful will not only defend, they will also explain to all of us how hero classes, player housing and guild halls were never promised. Do you get paid by the week or by the hour?
Oh come on now, I think its time to grow up, and quickly I hope. For some reason, and I really don't care why, you seem to dislike Blizzard. That's fine, that really is. But why are you picking them out for saying they would love to include something and then not being able to. Every game is short of the developers wishes in some way.
Really I don't think you understand. Do you know why you seem to be the only person in this thread who is acting like blizzard lied Lied LIED! It is because everyone else read what was said and understands it. Everyone else seems to understand that these were possibilities. Everyone except you that is.
That is why there is not a huge outcry of people bitching as you... I mean the original poster is looking for. . No one was promised anything and that seems to escape you. Even when I showed you lied about blizzards comments you still want to turn them into something they are not, just so you can nerd rage.
Your argument has hit the bottom, so you can stop digging now. It failed.
If you must continue to stand on your soapbox and whine about something that never was and is rather obvious you have fabricated just so you can hear yourself complain, then knock yourself out. Do not be surprised when you look around and there is not a mob of people agreeing with you.