Originally posted by PhelimReagh I noticed that the game makers were offering long-term discounts and in-game bonuses for those buying an extended subscription ahead of time.
Boy was I taken aback when I saw that they were charging the same price for the equivalent of the WoW Battlechest (Vanilla/Original Wow and The Burning Crusade Expansion pack), as well as the same monthly fees.
The game isn't finished. They're offering 1 race and a very limited amount of real estate. The game is going to bug-ridden, laggy, etc., all the same stuff you get when a new MMORPG comes out.
Yet they want to charge the same amount as the single most popular, proven and tested MMO out there.
I just don't get it. I really don't. The gall. Why do all these new games think they can roll up in their Hyundais with the bumper falling off and expect you to pay the same price you paid for your souped-up BMW?
Alganon was one of the few games I actually had some hopes for, and was actively looking forward to (despite the cries of "WoW-clone" I hear around here). This really made me roll my eyes and say "what the hell?"
Guys, read your own press releases. The product that you're releasing is not complete. You've said it yourselves. How the hell can you honestly charge people those ridiculous prices for a game that is (1) admittedly half-baked and (2) untested and untried? Do you really think early adopters are that silly with their cash?
This really put me off the game. Wanting me to pay premium prices for something they haven't finished and I am unable to get any feedback on ahead of time.
Unmitigated gall.
If WoW's a "souped-up BMW" then I don't want it. They are not charging anymore than a standard box and subscription to any other P2P MMO these days.
[[ DEAD ]] - Funny - I deleted my account on the site using the cancel account button. Forum user is separate and still exists with no way of deleting it. Delete it admins. Do it, this ends now.
A number six is menu is 2 chalupas, 1 taco, plus a large 32 Oz softdrink. i prefer mine with steak and extra sour cream and guacamole.
i mean, all in all with my extras were talking about a 10 dollar meal 3/4ths the cost of an ENTIRE month of MMO subscription. its not about expecting more for our money, or getting an under developed product. what is wrong with america today is we are prefectly happy buying a fast food meal that took 32 seconds to make by a guy whos not qualified to do more then a minimum wage job, but were not willing to pay that same amount of money to a guy who went to collage for a degree and spent possibly the last 3 years of their life making? i can honestly tell you, if i had a choice between investing my money in the game industry or investing my money in americans stuffing their fat faces ( me included ) im pretty sure you know where i would put my money.
The point is, your getting alot more for your money than you think, you just choose to look at it differently. thats fine and all, and thats why i fight for this country to defend that right, but you cant tell me that they are totally wrong. they do it because we allow them to do it and will continue to do so. stop being a cheat skate give the working american what they deserve. i would rather have my money going to taco-bell guy and indie american mmo programer then to some asian company who underpays/over works their employees at any rate.
Im pretty sure that some ppl buy 10 subscription per month of indie games cause they can get ENTIRE month of subscription...
Get a clue what sub based Gaming is all about... its about getting subscriptions - thats all.. And now some indie company is going to try to take it one step furher... They are counting on some asholes to pay their wages until they actually have something worth playing... one day... in the distant future...
You do know that if every person that payed money to their fitness club would actually show up to work out as to what they payed for.. the Club would be in deep shit. But you know what.... some ppl just pay and there is alot of ppl that are hoping you "forget" about it for alot of diffrent reasons.
A number six is menu is 2 chalupas, 1 taco, plus a large 32 Oz softdrink. i prefer mine with steak and extra sour cream and guacamole.
i mean, all in all with my extras were talking about a 10 dollar meal 3/4ths the cost of an ENTIRE month of MMO subscription. its not about expecting more for our money, or getting an under developed product. what is wrong with america today is we are prefectly happy buying a fast food meal that took 32 seconds to make by a guy whos not qualified to do more then a minimum wage job, but were not willing to pay that same amount of money to a guy who went to collage for a degree and spent possibly the last 3 years of their life making? i can honestly tell you, if i had a choice between investing my money in the game industry or investing my money in americans stuffing their fat faces ( me included ) im pretty sure you know where i would put my money.
The point is, your getting alot more for your money than you think, you just choose to look at it differently. thats fine and all, and thats why i fight for this country to defend that right, but you cant tell me that they are totally wrong. they do it because we allow them to do it and will continue to do so. stop being a cheat skate give the working american what they deserve. i would rather have my money going to taco-bell guy and indie american mmo programer then to some asian company who underpays/over works their employees at any rate.
Im pretty sure that some ppl buy 10 subscription per month of indie games cause they can get ENTIRE month of subscription...
Get a clue what Gaming is all about... its about getting subscriptions - thats all.. And now some indie company is going to try to take it one step furher... They are counting on some asholes to pay their wages until they actually have something worth playing... one day... in the distant future...
You do know that if every person that payed money to their fitness club would actually show up to work out as to what they payed for.. the Club would be in deep shit. But you know what.... some ppl just pay and there is alot of ppl that are hoping you "forget" about it for alot of diffrent reasons.
wow...that makes sense...to a bag of wet hair....
You can't even spell asshole right....
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
A number six is menu is 2 chalupas, 1 taco, plus a large 32 Oz softdrink. i prefer mine with steak and extra sour cream and guacamole.
i mean, all in all with my extras were talking about a 10 dollar meal 3/4ths the cost of an ENTIRE month of MMO subscription. its not about expecting more for our money, or getting an under developed product. what is wrong with america today is we are prefectly happy buying a fast food meal that took 32 seconds to make by a guy whos not qualified to do more then a minimum wage job, but were not willing to pay that same amount of money to a guy who went to collage for a degree and spent possibly the last 3 years of their life making? i can honestly tell you, if i had a choice between investing my money in the game industry or investing my money in americans stuffing their fat faces ( me included ) im pretty sure you know where i would put my money.
The point is, your getting alot more for your money than you think, you just choose to look at it differently. thats fine and all, and thats why i fight for this country to defend that right, but you cant tell me that they are totally wrong. they do it because we allow them to do it and will continue to do so. stop being a cheat skate give the working american what they deserve. i would rather have my money going to taco-bell guy and indie american mmo programer then to some asian company who underpays/over works their employees at any rate.
Im pretty sure that some ppl buy 10 subscription per month of indie games cause they can get ENTIRE month of subscription...
Get a clue what Gaming is all about... its about getting subscriptions - thats all.. And now some indie company is going to try to take it one step furher... They are counting on some asholes to pay their wages until they actually have something worth playing... one day... in the distant future...
You do know that if every person that payed money to their fitness club would actually show up to work out as to what they payed for.. the Club would be in deep shit. But you know what.... some ppl just pay and there is alot of ppl that are hoping you "forget" about it for alot of diffrent reasons.
A number six is menu is 2 chalupas, 1 taco, plus a large 32 Oz softdrink. i prefer mine with steak and extra sour cream and guacamole.
i mean, all in all with my extras were talking about a 10 dollar meal 3/4ths the cost of an ENTIRE month of MMO subscription. its not about expecting more for our money, or getting an under developed product. what is wrong with america today is we are prefectly happy buying a fast food meal that took 32 seconds to make by a guy whos not qualified to do more then a minimum wage job, but were not willing to pay that same amount of money to a guy who went to collage for a degree and spent possibly the last 3 years of their life making? i can honestly tell you, if i had a choice between investing my money in the game industry or investing my money in americans stuffing their fat faces ( me included ) im pretty sure you know where i would put my money.
The point is, your getting alot more for your money than you think, you just choose to look at it differently. thats fine and all, and thats why i fight for this country to defend that right, but you cant tell me that they are totally wrong. they do it because we allow them to do it and will continue to do so. stop being a cheat skate give the working american what they deserve. i would rather have my money going to taco-bell guy and indie american mmo programer then to some asian company who underpays/over works their employees at any rate.
Im pretty sure that some ppl buy 10 subscription per month of indie games cause they can get ENTIRE month of subscription...
Get a clue what Gaming is all about... its about getting subscriptions - thats all.. And now some indie company is going to try to take it one step furher... They are counting on some asholes to pay their wages until they actually have something worth playing... one day... in the distant future...
You do know that if every person that payed money to their fitness club would actually show up to work out as to what they payed for.. the Club would be in deep shit. But you know what.... some ppl just pay and there is alot of ppl that are hoping you "forget" about it for alot of diffrent reasons.
wow...that makes sense...to a bag of wet hair....
You can't even spell asshole right....
Ye - thats when the world comes to an end...
ahole
Ahole...is that like Ahoy?
You really need to grasp reality....srsly....
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Lotro=costs 10 bucks to buy and im pretty sure its 10/month too
Seems to be currently $20 (for original game + Moria expansion), and the $10/month is only for a 3-month or longer subscription. But if you do get such a subscription now, you get the next expansion Mirkwood free when it releases next month.
If you want to play a smaller fantasy MMORPG, with a nice community, rather than the roaring juggernaut that is WoW, I'd say LOTRO is about a million times better a choice than Alganon, at not much more than half the price.
Lotro=costs 10 bucks to buy and im pretty sure its 10/month too
Seems to be currently $20 (for original game + Moria expansion), and the $10/month is only for a 3-month or longer subscription. But if you do get such a subscription now, you get the next expansion Mirkwood free when it releases next month.
If you want to play a smaller fantasy MMORPG, with a nice community, rather than the roaring juggernaut that is WoW, I'd say LOTRO is about a million times better a choice than Alganon, at not much more than half the price.
LOL. LotRO isn't a million times better than ball-in-a-cup.
As much as I think QOL is making a huge mistake with high prices for a largely unfinished game, I'd be far more likely to pay for Alganon than pay even $10/month for LotRO.
Alganon at least has the advantage of being new, and you're going to find an enthusiastic community all around the same level if you start now. Most long-established games have a large majority of folks at end-game and players segregated into existing social circles. LotRO is probably the worst in that regard that I've found.
I was actually shocked when I looked at the website. There are four classes. FOUR. Interesting idea, though. It seems they have a F2P setup, but are charging a lot of money. Who is actually looking forward to this game?
I am. I've been waiting since it started production. It will be fascinating to see what Dave Allen is capable of, when he isn't being back stabbed. As for those shocked, SHOCKED that the monthly fee is the standard, get over it. WoW had the same fee when it launched, and having been in since late beta, I can tell you it had its share of problems. If you can't afford less than $15 a month, for a game that you will play many hours each week, you have bigger problems than playing a game, that need to be addressed.
As for those shocked, SHOCKED that the monthly fee is the standard, get over it. WoW had the same fee when it launched, and having been in since late beta, I can tell you it had its share of problems.
If you're comparing the state of WoW in late beta to the state of Alganon in late beta, either (a) you haven't seen the Alganon beta, or (b) you're just flat-out trolling.
Watch what you read as fact about a game...posted here at MMORPG.com.
Seems to me that testers might be trying to make their voice heard without violating the NDA. Just seems funny to me that you see post appear right before a launch that would sway people from buying a game. Happens a lot here....but make me wonder about the posters....
As a beta tester...and not breaking NDA...better off to invest your money in some obscure Kenny Rogers collectors album.
As for those shocked, SHOCKED that the monthly fee is the standard, get over it. WoW had the same fee when it launched, and having been in since late beta, I can tell you it had its share of problems.
If you're comparing the state of WoW in late beta to the state of Alganon in late beta, either (a) you haven't seen the Alganon beta, or (b) you're just flat-out trolling.
No, I'll leave the trolling to you... Your are doing a MUCH better job at it. I've seen both, and you either have an axe to grind, or you have a selective memory from WoW's beta and first year.
Im not in any way bashing the devs of Alganon when saying this... You dont charge ppl for something that isn't ... And ... You dont charge ppl for something that might be...
Subbing a game that one day is said "by the devs" to be like this or like that... Thats not acceptable. If it was - then pretty much every person on the planet would be multi millioner based on ideas - and NOTHINg other than ideas...
Sounds an awful lot like what happened during the whole "Internet Bubble" thing in the late 90s... Millions invested into companies with "cool ideas", and everyone wanted to ride that wave. And we all know how *that* ended.
I was employed by a company doing exactly that... and I was there when all 518 employees were let go when that bubble went *POP*!
Anyway... yeah... that raises a good point. Whether or not it's worth the $$ or not is for the individual to decide... but promoting a MMO based entirely on what it will be... eventually... yeah... I've seen that before and it's never ended well.
It sounds good... but Its bad - REALLY BAD...
Just promise me one thing world... Don't give away money like that for absolutly nothing. Like I posted before on a post that was deleted. Sponsor a child if you are desperate to give away money... Dont give it to ppl that take your sub money and THEN they might actually think of making something... Ye... right...
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
The thing is WoW was no BMW when it launched as well but it cost 50 bucks and a 15 bucks a month sub just as this game. It don't matter if its just launched or if its been out 5 years. Its just a standard price for a game and a sub.
Agreeing with cukimunga here and QFT.
$15 a month is standard mmo pricing. There are a few that are $10, but 90% of all mmo's are $15 a month after paying $40-60 for the game itself.
This is how the gaming/mmo industry works. Go troll elsewhere please.
No, I'll leave the trolling to you... Your are doing a MUCH better job at it. I've seen both, and you either have an axe to grind, or you have a selective memory from WoW's beta and first year.
I'll admit I have something of an axe to grind. The outrageous plagiarism in Alganon genuinely makes me angry. And pimping expensive pre-orders with incentives to pay even more upfront for long subscriptions, for what is going to launch in a state that is simply not fit for sale - well, in my humble opinion, it almost feels like fraud.
But I remember WoW's stress test beta and first year very well, and I repeat: If you're comparing the state of WoW in late beta to the state of Alganon in late beta, either (a) you haven't seen the Alganon beta, or (b) you're just flat-out trolling.
Agreeing with cukimunga here and QFT. $15 a month is standard mmo pricing. There are a few that are $10, but 90% of all mmo's are $15 a month after paying $40-60 for the game itself. This is how the gaming/mmo industry works. Go troll elsewhere please.
Indeed that has been the case in the past, but you may have noticed that now, subscription MMOs have to deal with competition from free-2-play games. Yes, these free-2-play games are generally inferior to the big subscription MMOs. But the thing is, it's not 2004 any more, and Alganon has to be better than games like Runes of Magic to persuade subscribers to stick around at $15/month. If it launches in 9 days time, it won't be. Fact. Not trolling.
No, I'll leave the trolling to you... Your are doing a MUCH better job at it. I've seen both, and you either have an axe to grind, or you have a selective memory from WoW's beta and first year.
I'll admit I have something of an axe to grind. The outrageous plagiarism in Alganon genuinely makes me angry. And pimping expensive pre-orders with incentives to pay even more upfront for long subscriptions, for what is going to launch in a state that is simply not fit for sale - well, in my humble opinion, it almost feels like fraud.
But I remember WoW's stress test beta and first year very well, and I repeat: If you're comparing the state of WoW in late beta to the state of Alganon in late beta, either (a) you haven't seen the Alganon beta, or (b) you're just flat-out trolling.
Once more, shall we? I've seen both. I also remember WoW's beta. Not only that I remember the difference between the two companies... Its been estimated that Blizzard sank more than 20 million dollars into WoW's initial development(a conservative estimate from what I can see). Blizzard at WoW's launch was already a damn good sized game company(all of the warcrafts, starcraft, and diablos). Compare that to Dave Allen's company. Given the diferences Alganon looks remarkable for the time/talent and imagination involved. Lets see what happens in 9 months to a year, shall we? If my faith in Dave Allen is misplaced, it should be obvious by then.
I grow tired of every other game being slammed as a "wow clone" or a "rip off of wow" or "outrageous plagiarism". Yes it has an art style like wow, perhaps for the same reason that wow uses that art style? That being that it not only fits the fantasy theme, but will run on many more PC's than a EQ2 style game would at launch. Your final doesn't even merit another response, so I'll close it here.
Originally posted by Delanor Originally posted by PhelimReagh Originally posted by Delanor Originally posted by Gabby-air As an indie dev with a game that well dosent really do anything much different than all the other games out there, with a low budget, less content and alot of lack of polish wants to charge you more than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2 it really dosent make sense to me atleast.
What game is that? Or has Alganon published their prices? Can you link them for me? I cant find them.
You need to set up a MyAlganon account, and you can see the pricing. They don't have the guts to publish the prices. LOL.
$40 to download the game, and the same monthly terms as WoW.
So, normal pricing, not more expensive than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2. That was to be expected.
Uh no. Lotro costs $10 to purchase (that includes the original game AND Moria expansion) and if you go on a 3 month sub for $30 you get the expansion coming out in December for free.
subscription fees keep the game up and running and the player's data stored.
So just because a game is smaller then WoW doesn't mean the game doesn't still need the money to operate. I don't know why so many people fail to graps this concept. If anything the more successful of a game you are the less you could be charging, not really the other way around.
To top it all off, if you are worried about $15 a month, well then you have much bigger concerns then the subscription fee. It will cost you that much to go to a movie, by yourself, and only get a drink ONCE in the entire month. But yes let's worry about paying that for a month of entertainment. Feel free to do the math on going out to a club or a bar or any other form of entertainment one time in an entire month.
So, normal pricing, not more expensive than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2. That was to be expected.
Uh no. Lotro costs $10 to purchase (that includes the original game AND Moria expansion) and if you go on a 3 month sub for $30 you get the expansion coming out in December for free.
So no..it's nothing like Lotro.
But keep spinning away.
At launch LOTRO did cost $49.99. Go troll somewhere else.
As an indie dev with a game that well dosent really do anything much different than all the other games out there, with a low budget, less content and alot of lack of polish wants to charge you more than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2 it really dosent make sense to me atleast.
What game is that? Or has Alganon published their prices? Can you link them for me? I cant find them.
You need to set up a MyAlganon account, and you can see the pricing. They don't have the guts to publish the prices. LOL.
$40 to download the game, and the same monthly terms as WoW.
So, normal pricing, not more expensive than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2. That was to be expected.
Lotro=costs 10 bucks to buy and im pretty sure its 10/month too
War has same price as alganon
aoc box is half price of alganon
wow's battlechest is like 30 bucks and it has 2 big guides in there too
EQ2 with 16 expansions if im not mistaken is 30 bucks?
So no there not the same price
Every game you mentioned cost $50 at launch, every one of them. Any and All MMOs cost $50 buck at launch and they all charge $15 a month, I still cant figure out what the point of this thread is, you are complaining that an MMO is launching with the exact same pricing that every MMO launches with.... Some games have dropped their box price since launch, but they launched at $50. Some of them have even dropped their monthly fee, but they all charged $15 a month at launch. Atleast everyone of them that has launched since 2004 that is.
I was just answering the person's question if the game's more expensive than the other's he listed and it is, dosent matter if they were same price before im giving him today's price.
Btw i think this game would be better off going f2p as going from forums it seems like not alot of people are buying it.
I'm just gonna say now that Alganon doesn't look like it's worth what they're asking for. I was surprised that the game is actually a P2P, to be honest. I've seen F2P games designed better.
I agree, they say that they will improve on it based upon the player base, however this is not yet proven. i think this is a long term MMO to watch out for but at the moment is simply not a worthwhile investment.
Any and All MMOs cost $50 buck at launch and they all charge $15 a month, I still cant figure out what the point of this thread is, you are complaining that an MMO is launching with the exact same pricing that every MMO launches with....
Just keep on living in the past and keep on ignoring the posts about the free-2-play MMORPGs which are hitting the western market these days, most or all of which are of vastly higher quality than Alganon and it's "standard" $50 + $15/month price tag...
Why on earth do people think there is, or more importantly that there should be, a "standard MMO fee"?
Aside from movies, no other consumer product has standardized pricing. Why? Because it's moronic.
If you're not offering as much as an existing product, then in any other industry, you would charge less. In the cast of WoW, part of what it offers is a huge community, tons of proven and tested content, an existing successful IP.
It doesn't matter what WoW charged at launch. The MMO world was different then. There is now a premiere product, an 800-lb gorilla in the room. As much as you WoW-haters can't handle it, WoW is the gold-standard for an MMORPG.
Any of these developers go to investors and say "WoW has 10 million players, we're going to peel off 1% of those players, as well as a number of players from other games". That's how they get people to invest in an industry where front-end investment is huge and success is, at best, elusive. Their models all include your "standard" price as something that the MMORPG market "will bear".
However, that is the wrong approach and really hasn't worked as best as I can tell. I think a handful of developers can scrape by just trying to follow the "develop a new game and charge WoW's prices". However, far more just fail. They don't seem to understand that by charge a premium price, you're creating premium expectations.
The two most recent clear successes are LotRO and DDO. One only charges $10/month (no upfront fee), and the other is F2P with an option to subscribe as well as purchase items from a shop. The games both found audiences, but were only able to get the exposure they needed by emphasizing a pricing model that was different from WoW. Turbine has had the sense to realize that WoW is in a league of it's own, but you can succeed if you offer consumers value. People moved to those games, many from WoW, largely by word of mouth.
And in Alganon's case, the game is just a shell right now, no community, and it's reliability is in clear dispute. The best way to counter all of that is to get lots of folks in there trying out the game, buildign up the community and creating good word of mouth.
New games make promises to investors that they only need a tiny piece of WoW's player-base to be successful, yet they never seem to realize that the 10-12 million folks who play, while they may be ready to play something else, aren't just going to up and walk away from a game they've invested hundreds or thousands of hours into for no good reason.
You can't claim that market as your target and not have a reasonable plan to peel them away.
If Alganon is a success, bully for them. But in my opinion a more creative pricing model could have increased their chances dramatically.
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If WoW's a "souped-up BMW" then I don't want it. They are not charging anymore than a standard box and subscription to any other P2P MMO these days.
A number six is menu is 2 chalupas, 1 taco, plus a large 32 Oz softdrink. i prefer mine with steak and extra sour cream and guacamole.
i mean, all in all with my extras were talking about a 10 dollar meal 3/4ths the cost of an ENTIRE month of MMO subscription. its not about expecting more for our money, or getting an under developed product. what is wrong with america today is we are prefectly happy buying a fast food meal that took 32 seconds to make by a guy whos not qualified to do more then a minimum wage job, but were not willing to pay that same amount of money to a guy who went to collage for a degree and spent possibly the last 3 years of their life making? i can honestly tell you, if i had a choice between investing my money in the game industry or investing my money in americans stuffing their fat faces ( me included ) im pretty sure you know where i would put my money.
The point is, your getting alot more for your money than you think, you just choose to look at it differently. thats fine and all, and thats why i fight for this country to defend that right, but you cant tell me that they are totally wrong. they do it because we allow them to do it and will continue to do so. stop being a cheat skate give the working american what they deserve. i would rather have my money going to taco-bell guy and indie american mmo programer then to some asian company who underpays/over works their employees at any rate.
Im pretty sure that some ppl buy 10 subscription per month of indie games cause they can get ENTIRE month of subscription...
Get a clue what sub based Gaming is all about... its about getting subscriptions - thats all.. And now some indie company is going to try to take it one step furher... They are counting on some asholes to pay their wages until they actually have something worth playing... one day... in the distant future...
You do know that if every person that payed money to their fitness club would actually show up to work out as to what they payed for.. the Club would be in deep shit. But you know what.... some ppl just pay and there is alot of ppl that are hoping you "forget" about it for alot of diffrent reasons.
A number six is menu is 2 chalupas, 1 taco, plus a large 32 Oz softdrink. i prefer mine with steak and extra sour cream and guacamole.
i mean, all in all with my extras were talking about a 10 dollar meal 3/4ths the cost of an ENTIRE month of MMO subscription. its not about expecting more for our money, or getting an under developed product. what is wrong with america today is we are prefectly happy buying a fast food meal that took 32 seconds to make by a guy whos not qualified to do more then a minimum wage job, but were not willing to pay that same amount of money to a guy who went to collage for a degree and spent possibly the last 3 years of their life making? i can honestly tell you, if i had a choice between investing my money in the game industry or investing my money in americans stuffing their fat faces ( me included ) im pretty sure you know where i would put my money.
The point is, your getting alot more for your money than you think, you just choose to look at it differently. thats fine and all, and thats why i fight for this country to defend that right, but you cant tell me that they are totally wrong. they do it because we allow them to do it and will continue to do so. stop being a cheat skate give the working american what they deserve. i would rather have my money going to taco-bell guy and indie american mmo programer then to some asian company who underpays/over works their employees at any rate.
Im pretty sure that some ppl buy 10 subscription per month of indie games cause they can get ENTIRE month of subscription...
Get a clue what Gaming is all about... its about getting subscriptions - thats all.. And now some indie company is going to try to take it one step furher... They are counting on some asholes to pay their wages until they actually have something worth playing... one day... in the distant future...
You do know that if every person that payed money to their fitness club would actually show up to work out as to what they payed for.. the Club would be in deep shit. But you know what.... some ppl just pay and there is alot of ppl that are hoping you "forget" about it for alot of diffrent reasons.
wow...that makes sense...to a bag of wet hair....
You can't even spell asshole right....
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
A number six is menu is 2 chalupas, 1 taco, plus a large 32 Oz softdrink. i prefer mine with steak and extra sour cream and guacamole.
i mean, all in all with my extras were talking about a 10 dollar meal 3/4ths the cost of an ENTIRE month of MMO subscription. its not about expecting more for our money, or getting an under developed product. what is wrong with america today is we are prefectly happy buying a fast food meal that took 32 seconds to make by a guy whos not qualified to do more then a minimum wage job, but were not willing to pay that same amount of money to a guy who went to collage for a degree and spent possibly the last 3 years of their life making? i can honestly tell you, if i had a choice between investing my money in the game industry or investing my money in americans stuffing their fat faces ( me included ) im pretty sure you know where i would put my money.
The point is, your getting alot more for your money than you think, you just choose to look at it differently. thats fine and all, and thats why i fight for this country to defend that right, but you cant tell me that they are totally wrong. they do it because we allow them to do it and will continue to do so. stop being a cheat skate give the working american what they deserve. i would rather have my money going to taco-bell guy and indie american mmo programer then to some asian company who underpays/over works their employees at any rate.
Im pretty sure that some ppl buy 10 subscription per month of indie games cause they can get ENTIRE month of subscription...
Get a clue what Gaming is all about... its about getting subscriptions - thats all.. And now some indie company is going to try to take it one step furher... They are counting on some asholes to pay their wages until they actually have something worth playing... one day... in the distant future...
You do know that if every person that payed money to their fitness club would actually show up to work out as to what they payed for.. the Club would be in deep shit. But you know what.... some ppl just pay and there is alot of ppl that are hoping you "forget" about it for alot of diffrent reasons.
wow...that makes sense...to a bag of wet hair....
You can't even spell asshole right....
Ye - thats when the world comes to an end...
ahole
A number six is menu is 2 chalupas, 1 taco, plus a large 32 Oz softdrink. i prefer mine with steak and extra sour cream and guacamole.
i mean, all in all with my extras were talking about a 10 dollar meal 3/4ths the cost of an ENTIRE month of MMO subscription. its not about expecting more for our money, or getting an under developed product. what is wrong with america today is we are prefectly happy buying a fast food meal that took 32 seconds to make by a guy whos not qualified to do more then a minimum wage job, but were not willing to pay that same amount of money to a guy who went to collage for a degree and spent possibly the last 3 years of their life making? i can honestly tell you, if i had a choice between investing my money in the game industry or investing my money in americans stuffing their fat faces ( me included ) im pretty sure you know where i would put my money.
The point is, your getting alot more for your money than you think, you just choose to look at it differently. thats fine and all, and thats why i fight for this country to defend that right, but you cant tell me that they are totally wrong. they do it because we allow them to do it and will continue to do so. stop being a cheat skate give the working american what they deserve. i would rather have my money going to taco-bell guy and indie american mmo programer then to some asian company who underpays/over works their employees at any rate.
Im pretty sure that some ppl buy 10 subscription per month of indie games cause they can get ENTIRE month of subscription...
Get a clue what Gaming is all about... its about getting subscriptions - thats all.. And now some indie company is going to try to take it one step furher... They are counting on some asholes to pay their wages until they actually have something worth playing... one day... in the distant future...
You do know that if every person that payed money to their fitness club would actually show up to work out as to what they payed for.. the Club would be in deep shit. But you know what.... some ppl just pay and there is alot of ppl that are hoping you "forget" about it for alot of diffrent reasons.
wow...that makes sense...to a bag of wet hair....
You can't even spell asshole right....
Ye - thats when the world comes to an end...
ahole
Ahole...is that like Ahoy?
You really need to grasp reality....srsly....
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Seems to be currently $20 (for original game + Moria expansion), and the $10/month is only for a 3-month or longer subscription. But if you do get such a subscription now, you get the next expansion Mirkwood free when it releases next month.
If you want to play a smaller fantasy MMORPG, with a nice community, rather than the roaring juggernaut that is WoW, I'd say LOTRO is about a million times better a choice than Alganon, at not much more than half the price.
Seems to be currently $20 (for original game + Moria expansion), and the $10/month is only for a 3-month or longer subscription. But if you do get such a subscription now, you get the next expansion Mirkwood free when it releases next month.
If you want to play a smaller fantasy MMORPG, with a nice community, rather than the roaring juggernaut that is WoW, I'd say LOTRO is about a million times better a choice than Alganon, at not much more than half the price.
LOL. LotRO isn't a million times better than ball-in-a-cup.
As much as I think QOL is making a huge mistake with high prices for a largely unfinished game, I'd be far more likely to pay for Alganon than pay even $10/month for LotRO.
Alganon at least has the advantage of being new, and you're going to find an enthusiastic community all around the same level if you start now. Most long-established games have a large majority of folks at end-game and players segregated into existing social circles. LotRO is probably the worst in that regard that I've found.
I am. I've been waiting since it started production. It will be fascinating to see what Dave Allen is capable of, when he isn't being back stabbed. As for those shocked, SHOCKED that the monthly fee is the standard, get over it. WoW had the same fee when it launched, and having been in since late beta, I can tell you it had its share of problems. If you can't afford less than $15 a month, for a game that you will play many hours each week, you have bigger problems than playing a game, that need to be addressed.
If you're comparing the state of WoW in late beta to the state of Alganon in late beta, either (a) you haven't seen the Alganon beta, or (b) you're just flat-out trolling.
As a beta tester...and not breaking NDA...better off to invest your money in some obscure Kenny Rogers collectors album.
If you're comparing the state of WoW in late beta to the state of Alganon in late beta, either (a) you haven't seen the Alganon beta, or (b) you're just flat-out trolling.
No, I'll leave the trolling to you... Your are doing a MUCH better job at it. I've seen both, and you either have an axe to grind, or you have a selective memory from WoW's beta and first year.
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Agreeing with cukimunga here and QFT.
$15 a month is standard mmo pricing. There are a few that are $10, but 90% of all mmo's are $15 a month after paying $40-60 for the game itself.
This is how the gaming/mmo industry works. Go troll elsewhere please.
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I'll admit I have something of an axe to grind. The outrageous plagiarism in Alganon genuinely makes me angry. And pimping expensive pre-orders with incentives to pay even more upfront for long subscriptions, for what is going to launch in a state that is simply not fit for sale - well, in my humble opinion, it almost feels like fraud.
But I remember WoW's stress test beta and first year very well, and I repeat: If you're comparing the state of WoW in late beta to the state of Alganon in late beta, either (a) you haven't seen the Alganon beta, or (b) you're just flat-out trolling.
Indeed that has been the case in the past, but you may have noticed that now, subscription MMOs have to deal with competition from free-2-play games. Yes, these free-2-play games are generally inferior to the big subscription MMOs. But the thing is, it's not 2004 any more, and Alganon has to be better than games like Runes of Magic to persuade subscribers to stick around at $15/month. If it launches in 9 days time, it won't be. Fact. Not trolling.
I'll admit I have something of an axe to grind. The outrageous plagiarism in Alganon genuinely makes me angry. And pimping expensive pre-orders with incentives to pay even more upfront for long subscriptions, for what is going to launch in a state that is simply not fit for sale - well, in my humble opinion, it almost feels like fraud.
But I remember WoW's stress test beta and first year very well, and I repeat: If you're comparing the state of WoW in late beta to the state of Alganon in late beta, either (a) you haven't seen the Alganon beta, or (b) you're just flat-out trolling.
Once more, shall we? I've seen both. I also remember WoW's beta. Not only that I remember the difference between the two companies... Its been estimated that Blizzard sank more than 20 million dollars into WoW's initial development(a conservative estimate from what I can see). Blizzard at WoW's launch was already a damn good sized game company(all of the warcrafts, starcraft, and diablos). Compare that to Dave Allen's company. Given the diferences Alganon looks remarkable for the time/talent and imagination involved. Lets see what happens in 9 months to a year, shall we? If my faith in Dave Allen is misplaced, it should be obvious by then.
I grow tired of every other game being slammed as a "wow clone" or a "rip off of wow" or "outrageous plagiarism". Yes it has an art style like wow, perhaps for the same reason that wow uses that art style? That being that it not only fits the fantasy theme, but will run on many more PC's than a EQ2 style game would at launch. Your final doesn't even merit another response, so I'll close it here.
What game is that? Or has Alganon published their prices? Can you link them for me? I cant find them.
You need to set up a MyAlganon account, and you can see the pricing. They don't have the guts to publish the prices. LOL.
$40 to download the game, and the same monthly terms as WoW.
So, normal pricing, not more expensive than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2. That was to be expected.
Uh no. Lotro costs $10 to purchase (that includes the original game AND Moria expansion) and if you go on a 3 month sub for $30 you get the expansion coming out in December for free.
So no..it's nothing like Lotro.
But keep spinning away.
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subscription fees keep the game up and running and the player's data stored.
So just because a game is smaller then WoW doesn't mean the game doesn't still need the money to operate. I don't know why so many people fail to graps this concept. If anything the more successful of a game you are the less you could be charging, not really the other way around.
To top it all off, if you are worried about $15 a month, well then you have much bigger concerns then the subscription fee. It will cost you that much to go to a movie, by yourself, and only get a drink ONCE in the entire month. But yes let's worry about paying that for a month of entertainment. Feel free to do the math on going out to a club or a bar or any other form of entertainment one time in an entire month.
Uh no. Lotro costs $10 to purchase (that includes the original game AND Moria expansion) and if you go on a 3 month sub for $30 you get the expansion coming out in December for free.
So no..it's nothing like Lotro.
But keep spinning away.
At launch LOTRO did cost $49.99. Go troll somewhere else.
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What game is that? Or has Alganon published their prices? Can you link them for me? I cant find them.
You need to set up a MyAlganon account, and you can see the pricing. They don't have the guts to publish the prices. LOL.
$40 to download the game, and the same monthly terms as WoW.
So, normal pricing, not more expensive than games like lotro, war, aoc, wow, eq2. That was to be expected.
Lotro=costs 10 bucks to buy and im pretty sure its 10/month too
War has same price as alganon
aoc box is half price of alganon
wow's battlechest is like 30 bucks and it has 2 big guides in there too
EQ2 with 16 expansions if im not mistaken is 30 bucks?
So no there not the same price
Every game you mentioned cost $50 at launch, every one of them. Any and All MMOs cost $50 buck at launch and they all charge $15 a month, I still cant figure out what the point of this thread is, you are complaining that an MMO is launching with the exact same pricing that every MMO launches with.... Some games have dropped their box price since launch, but they launched at $50. Some of them have even dropped their monthly fee, but they all charged $15 a month at launch. Atleast everyone of them that has launched since 2004 that is.
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I was just answering the person's question if the game's more expensive than the other's he listed and it is, dosent matter if they were same price before im giving him today's price.
Btw i think this game would be better off going f2p as going from forums it seems like not alot of people are buying it.
I'm just gonna say now that Alganon doesn't look like it's worth what they're asking for.
I was surprised that the game is actually a P2P, to be honest. I've seen F2P games designed better.
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I agree, they say that they will improve on it based upon the player base, however this is not yet proven. i think this is a long term MMO to watch out for but at the moment is simply not a worthwhile investment.
Just keep on living in the past and keep on ignoring the posts about the free-2-play MMORPGs which are hitting the western market these days, most or all of which are of vastly higher quality than Alganon and it's "standard" $50 + $15/month price tag...
Why on earth do people think there is, or more importantly that there should be, a "standard MMO fee"?
Aside from movies, no other consumer product has standardized pricing. Why? Because it's moronic.
If you're not offering as much as an existing product, then in any other industry, you would charge less. In the cast of WoW, part of what it offers is a huge community, tons of proven and tested content, an existing successful IP.
It doesn't matter what WoW charged at launch. The MMO world was different then. There is now a premiere product, an 800-lb gorilla in the room. As much as you WoW-haters can't handle it, WoW is the gold-standard for an MMORPG.
Any of these developers go to investors and say "WoW has 10 million players, we're going to peel off 1% of those players, as well as a number of players from other games". That's how they get people to invest in an industry where front-end investment is huge and success is, at best, elusive. Their models all include your "standard" price as something that the MMORPG market "will bear".
However, that is the wrong approach and really hasn't worked as best as I can tell. I think a handful of developers can scrape by just trying to follow the "develop a new game and charge WoW's prices". However, far more just fail. They don't seem to understand that by charge a premium price, you're creating premium expectations.
The two most recent clear successes are LotRO and DDO. One only charges $10/month (no upfront fee), and the other is F2P with an option to subscribe as well as purchase items from a shop. The games both found audiences, but were only able to get the exposure they needed by emphasizing a pricing model that was different from WoW. Turbine has had the sense to realize that WoW is in a league of it's own, but you can succeed if you offer consumers value. People moved to those games, many from WoW, largely by word of mouth.
And in Alganon's case, the game is just a shell right now, no community, and it's reliability is in clear dispute. The best way to counter all of that is to get lots of folks in there trying out the game, buildign up the community and creating good word of mouth.
New games make promises to investors that they only need a tiny piece of WoW's player-base to be successful, yet they never seem to realize that the 10-12 million folks who play, while they may be ready to play something else, aren't just going to up and walk away from a game they've invested hundreds or thousands of hours into for no good reason.
You can't claim that market as your target and not have a reasonable plan to peel them away.
If Alganon is a success, bully for them. But in my opinion a more creative pricing model could have increased their chances dramatically.