The game once had some of the best player created content going........while it was a sandbox game.
Once it was the greatest story ever told...OUR story...then the sand box got ripped out.
What we were left with was what $OE claimed was the greatest story ever told....the game they wanted us to play....THEIRS...and if we didn't like it they had other players to replace us.
So we took our lil'sandshovels and buckets and promptly left.
Somehow the massive replacement numbers never showed...ain't that a shame?
Somehow to me, "Station Pass" seems like the hospice ward of MMO's.
Oh boy, I already see where this thread is going. Bunch of crying vets who can't let go remembering the "good ol days".
Wrong, this is one vet that wants SWG to just give up the ghost and stick to other IP's to screw up since SWG is a lost cause. Allowing their few remaining subscribers to create content only shows they are grasping for straws just like NCsoft did with CoX and the mission creator system. Bottom line is they dont want to sink anymore money in those IP's so they are letting the subscribers do it for them because it is on it's way out the door finally.
The game once had some of the best player created content going........while it was a sandbox game. Once it was the greatest story ever told...OUR story...then the sand box got ripped out. What we were left with was what $OE claimed was the greatest story ever told....the game they wanted us to play....THEIRS...and if we didn't like it they had other players to replace us. So we took our lil'sandshovels and buckets and promptly left. Somehow the massive replacement numbers never showed...ain't that a shame?
Somehow to me, "Station Pass" seems like the hospice ward of MMO's.
LOL- OMG thats great.
Any problem with me using that for a sig? That is very clever, creative, funny, sad and true all at once.
First of all I didn't call myself a vet, but I am a vet from the first gulf war, so I guess I can. By the way anyone who was in the military is a vet, war or not. No we are never going to let SOE get away with what they did. If you don't like it go to the official forums where they don't allow dissent of any form to their perfect game. If the game in it's current state is so great, why is it dying? Is it because of the unhappy vets? Well if it is then good, but it's probably due to the fact that this game is now garbage. EPIC FAIL.
Well, to be fair might the game also be dying because it is really old. SOE did mess things up, that is true. To totaly change the mechanics and point of a game after launch is always a really stupid idea.
It is a good idea to change things like the AI (you could totaly revamp that) and anything with graphics. It could be a good idea to change the combat system, but it is risky. It is always a bad idea to totaly change the gameplay, you will lose most faithful players.
SOE should have made a new game instead and had it running paralell with SWG, they could have reused the GFX engine and all that instead and just placed the new game in another world. That way they would have kept the old players while getting the new ones into the other game. Even if it would have costed more money they would have a lot more players.
Still, it is easy to say that now. And it might have been Lucas arts idea from the start.
But the reason of the custom content (that seems rather thin to me) is that SOE fears that Bioware will eat them alive. And they will because Bioware are like Blizzard better to know what their fans want then SOE are. That doesn't mean that Bioware will get the old SWG "vets" but I think they will get a lot of the curent players together with the Bioware fans.
Most old SWG players I know are currently playing Eve.
SWG in many ways is better now then pre cu. No longer is it about who has the uber mind dot weapon. Auto target is back. Crafting is the best out of any MMO and is very important. Expertise system lets you mimmick many of the old templet mixes. Pre CU vets still looking for their "SWG" really need to give SWG a honest look. I did in 08' and I been back enjoying it ever since.
I did in April and found it to be the same lame game that it was directly after the NGE.
I find it truly amazing that SOE didnt just launch a pre NGE server, Ive tried to go back and its a bad experience, the NGE combat was not designed for that engine and is just plain retarded.
As far as content, the playerbase certainly can't do much worse than the dev team (zombies?). While adding CoX's Architect system to SWG will be nice for the players, it does nothing to fix the core game mechanics, which are a broken and unfun mess.
The Zombies are actuallly well receieved. (just read official forums). Maybe not by lore nerds though but they cant attack the game developers.
Because when it comes to Zombies and Star Wars. The lore and storyline is not something that is made up by the game designers or SOE or even "evil" Smed. No. Its Lucas and the books and stuff.
A lot has happened with Star Wars lore since 1978 and Darth Vader & Co. Some good or some bad. But the game adapts to the current development in the lore. So please stop blaming the game for everything.
All the anger and frustration towards SOE and this game is well past pathetic stadium now.
I just have to say that I am one of the SWG vets.. one that started playing the game in 2004 even before we had any kind of speeders or vehicles. And I continued to play it until I left it almost in tears after NGE (I had numerous accounts at that time and loved every pixel to death).
I was angry and frustrated and hated everything since my loved addiction had been so badly wounded by a game update (NGE). But even if things have gone slow. They have fixed more and more and I dare saying that the game is almost as good and in some ways better than before NGE. The problem now is not the game that much anylonger, its the people who sees it as a target practise dummy for their anger and frustration.
Why do I even bother to post here?.. well its because I learned by doing something that is really good in many arenas of life. Anger management and give peace a chance :P
And if you hate SWG so much that there is not way you will go back, then why even read about it and comment treads about it if the only thing you want to write is how crap you think it is. I mean that almost tells more about you as a person?
3 Cheers!! I could not have said it better myself!!!!
Give me back SWG at sunset and keep adding to it and I would pay twice what it was costing.
As far as content, the playerbase certainly can't do much worse than the dev team (zombies?). While adding CoX's Architect system to SWG will be nice for the players, it does nothing to fix the core game mechanics, which are a broken and unfun mess.
The Zombies are actuallly well receieved. (just read official forums). Maybe not by lore nerds though but they cant attack the game developers.
Because when it comes to Zombies and Star Wars. The lore and storyline is not something that is made up by the game designers or SOE or even "evil" Smed. No. Its Lucas and the books and stuff.
A lot has happened with Star Wars lore since 1978 and Darth Vader & Co. Some good or some bad. But the game adapts to the current development in the lore. So please stop blaming the game for everything.
All the anger and frustration towards SOE and this game is well past pathetic stadium now.
I just have to say that I am one of the SWG vets.. one that started playing the game in 2004 even before we had any kind of speeders or vehicles. And I continued to play it until I left it almost in tears after NGE (I had numerous accounts at that time and loved every pixel to death).
I was angry and frustrated and hated everything since my loved addiction had been so badly wounded by a game update (NGE). But even if things have gone slow. They have fixed more and more and I dare saying that the game is almost as good and in some ways better than before NGE. The problem now is not the game that much anylonger, its the people who sees it as a target practise dummy for their anger and frustration.
Why do I even bother to post here?.. well its because I learned by doing something that is really good in many arenas of life. Anger management and give peace a chance :P
And if you hate SWG so much that there is not way you will go back, then why even read about it and comment treads about it if the only thing you want to write is how crap you think it is. I mean that almost tells more about you as a person?
Amen Brother. SAY IT.
I completely /agree. If after what like 3 or 4 years. If you are STILL on your soap box, please please move on and stop trolling and hating every SWG thread on every site on every forums in existence. It's getting real old. And please if you are posting in the official forums. Why are you still paying a company you profess to hate with all your life, energy and soul? Because you can't post in the official forums unless you are a current subscriber.
I get it the NGE ruined your childhood, broke up your marriage, led you to drinking, drug addiction, pushed you in to a life of crime, made you shoplift, drive recklessly, and worst of all, tear the tags off of your pillows!
About a year after the NGE My 20 year old brother committed suicide (im in my 30s) but putting a bullet in is brain. I have gone through the grieving process. I've accepted it and moved on. If I can get through/over the death of a loved one, you can get over a video game being changed.
So please move on. You'll be much happier in the SWTOR forums. The hate will eat you up inside until there is nothing left.
Thank you
The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison
sounds like an effort to try and retain customers from moving onto Bioware's game. Any user created content is welcome no matter what the game but i am very very curious to see how this all turns out.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
These people saying vets crying, lol, look at the population of the game from beginning to now, that speaks for itself, so you little juniors can keep babbling on an on . swg needs to put a fork in this game, it's over with. They had the chance at the beginning and it's just flat out finished. They can add all this new content and keep trying to act like everything is still going good but look at all these reviews over the years. The game is OVER! Once SWTOR hits we all know what's going to happen.
Yes a lot of people will run over there. Finish the giant legacy quest, find out there is nothing more and come back.
SWG in many ways is better now then pre cu. No longer is it about who has the uber mind dot weapon. Auto target is back. Crafting is the best out of any MMO and is very important. Expertise system lets you mimmick many of the old templet mixes. Pre CU vets still looking for their "SWG" really need to give SWG a honest look. I did in 08' and I been back enjoying it ever since.
Ahhhh finally an adult with an IQ bigger than his shoe size. Nicely said.
"so any chance soe will ever offer a classic server?"
Torres "Well what if someone discovers an exploit?"
....
ummm....
That was Julio Torres' reason for never offering classic servers...anyone else remember that interview on attack of the show?
Has soe ever to this day truely said they blew it when they shoved NGE on us?
So for all you vet haters out there....we'll blow your planet up!
The line must be drawn here! THIS FAR AND NO FARTHER!!!!!
edit:
a buddy of mine signed up THIS month to see if the game is any better......NO. the population on BRIA is DEAD DEAD DEAD...he saw 20 ppl TOTAL in several star ports..all the major cantinas too...
Ever since the SWG dick-stepping, anything SOE is unacceptable. I was in the Vanguard alpha & beta from the beginning and when SOE stepped in I ran away screaming. I avoid everything SOE like the plague.
Burn me once, shame you you. Burn me twice, shame on me.
so i have t loot for components to add to my own quests...bah
pass
There is an alternative. You can run others quests and earn silver coins towards booster packs for Chronicles Relics. But its just as easy to kill... well, everything in the game to get relics. You can also craft to earn them as well.
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The game once had some of the best player created content going........while it was a sandbox game.
Once it was the greatest story ever told...OUR story...then the sand box got ripped out.
What we were left with was what $OE claimed was the greatest story ever told....the game they wanted us to play....THEIRS...and if we didn't like it they had other players to replace us.
So we took our lil'sandshovels and buckets and promptly left.
Somehow the massive replacement numbers never showed...ain't that a shame?
Somehow to me, "Station Pass" seems like the hospice ward of MMO's.
Wrong, this is one vet that wants SWG to just give up the ghost and stick to other IP's to screw up since SWG is a lost cause. Allowing their few remaining subscribers to create content only shows they are grasping for straws just like NCsoft did with CoX and the mission creator system. Bottom line is they dont want to sink anymore money in those IP's so they are letting the subscribers do it for them because it is on it's way out the door finally.
LOL- OMG thats great.
Any problem with me using that for a sig? That is very clever, creative, funny, sad and true all at once.
Well, to be fair might the game also be dying because it is really old. SOE did mess things up, that is true. To totaly change the mechanics and point of a game after launch is always a really stupid idea.
It is a good idea to change things like the AI (you could totaly revamp that) and anything with graphics. It could be a good idea to change the combat system, but it is risky. It is always a bad idea to totaly change the gameplay, you will lose most faithful players.
SOE should have made a new game instead and had it running paralell with SWG, they could have reused the GFX engine and all that instead and just placed the new game in another world. That way they would have kept the old players while getting the new ones into the other game. Even if it would have costed more money they would have a lot more players.
Still, it is easy to say that now. And it might have been Lucas arts idea from the start.
But the reason of the custom content (that seems rather thin to me) is that SOE fears that Bioware will eat them alive. And they will because Bioware are like Blizzard better to know what their fans want then SOE are. That doesn't mean that Bioware will get the old SWG "vets" but I think they will get a lot of the curent players together with the Bioware fans.
Most old SWG players I know are currently playing Eve.
I did in April and found it to be the same lame game that it was directly after the NGE.
But not as lame as before the NGE Bol hunter
I find it truly amazing that SOE didnt just launch a pre NGE server, Ive tried to go back and its a bad experience, the NGE combat was not designed for that engine and is just plain retarded.
The Zombies are actuallly well receieved. (just read official forums). Maybe not by lore nerds though but they cant attack the game developers.
Because when it comes to Zombies and Star Wars. The lore and storyline is not something that is made up by the game designers or SOE or even "evil" Smed. No. Its Lucas and the books and stuff.
A lot has happened with Star Wars lore since 1978 and Darth Vader & Co. Some good or some bad. But the game adapts to the current development in the lore. So please stop blaming the game for everything.
All the anger and frustration towards SOE and this game is well past pathetic stadium now.
I just have to say that I am one of the SWG vets.. one that started playing the game in 2004 even before we had any kind of speeders
or vehicles. And I continued to play it until I left it almost in tears after NGE (I had numerous accounts at that time and loved every pixel to death).
I was angry and frustrated and hated everything since my loved addiction had been so badly wounded by a game update (NGE). But even if things have gone slow. They have fixed more and more and I dare saying that the game is almost as good and in some ways better than before NGE. The problem now is not the game that much anylonger, its the people who sees it as a target practise dummy for their anger and frustration.
Why do I even bother to post here?.. well its because I learned by doing something that is really good in many arenas of life. Anger management and give peace a chance :P
And if you hate SWG so much that there is not way you will go back, then why even read about it and comment treads about it if the only thing you want to write is how crap you think it is. I mean that almost tells more about you as a person?
3 Cheers!! I could not have said it better myself!!!!
Give me back SWG at sunset and keep adding to it and I would pay twice what it was costing.
The Zombies are actuallly well receieved. (just read official forums). Maybe not by lore nerds though but they cant attack the game developers.
Because when it comes to Zombies and Star Wars. The lore and storyline is not something that is made up by the game designers or SOE or even "evil" Smed. No. Its Lucas and the books and stuff.
A lot has happened with Star Wars lore since 1978 and Darth Vader & Co. Some good or some bad. But the game adapts to the current development in the lore. So please stop blaming the game for everything.
All the anger and frustration towards SOE and this game is well past pathetic stadium now.
I just have to say that I am one of the SWG vets.. one that started playing the game in 2004 even before we had any kind of speeders
or vehicles. And I continued to play it until I left it almost in tears after NGE (I had numerous accounts at that time and loved every pixel to death).
I was angry and frustrated and hated everything since my loved addiction had been so badly wounded by a game update (NGE). But even if things have gone slow. They have fixed more and more and I dare saying that the game is almost as good and in some ways better than before NGE. The problem now is not the game that much anylonger, its the people who sees it as a target practise dummy for their anger and frustration.
Why do I even bother to post here?.. well its because I learned by doing something that is really good in many arenas of life. Anger management and give peace a chance :P
And if you hate SWG so much that there is not way you will go back, then why even read about it and comment treads about it if the only thing you want to write is how crap you think it is. I mean that almost tells more about you as a person?
Amen Brother. SAY IT.
I completely /agree. If after what like 3 or 4 years. If you are STILL on your soap box, please please move on and stop trolling and hating every SWG thread on every site on every forums in existence. It's getting real old. And please if you are posting in the official forums. Why are you still paying a company you profess to hate with all your life, energy and soul? Because you can't post in the official forums unless you are a current subscriber.
I get it the NGE ruined your childhood, broke up your marriage, led you to drinking, drug addiction, pushed you in to a life of crime, made you shoplift, drive recklessly, and worst of all, tear the tags off of your pillows!
About a year after the NGE My 20 year old brother committed suicide (im in my 30s) but putting a bullet in is brain. I have gone through the grieving process. I've accepted it and moved on. If I can get through/over the death of a loved one, you can get over a video game being changed.
So please move on. You'll be much happier in the SWTOR forums. The hate will eat you up inside until there is nothing left.
Thank you
The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison
I am a vet and not going to go on and on about it, I just wanted ask is there any game SOE has touched that hasnt died on its arse???
sounds like an effort to try and retain customers from moving onto Bioware's game. Any user created content is welcome no matter what the game but i am very very curious to see how this all turns out.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
so i can design a quest where i can make my enemy's name like i dont know...
smed, or smedley... just something im kicking around.
can i script his dialog to make him admit to being a transvestite?
ill call my quest "smeds got a secret"
whatcha think?
Games i'm playing right now...
"In short, I thought NGE was a very bad idea" - Raph Koster talking about NGE on his blog at raphkoster.com
Bring back old SWG!
stop making lame attempts to cover with band aids the giant spike you plowed into the heart of one of the greatest games of all time.
Is SWG Instanced like Guild Wars and AoC? if so, it is auto-off-my-want-list
I am wondering now if we are going to get a discount on our subs since we are making our own content.....
Just be thankful they aren't charging you extra for the privilege
LOL- OMG thats great.
Any problem with me using that for a sig? That is very clever, creative, funny, sad and true all at once.
Dang it! I knew I should have filed a Copyright on that phrase! >.<
Hehe...just kidding...knock yourself out.
Yes a lot of people will run over there. Finish the giant legacy quest, find out there is nothing more and come back.
Ahhhh finally an adult with an IQ bigger than his shoe size. Nicely said.
Of course, just like how Lego gives kids a discount because they get to build their things themselves
You have no clue.
Prediction: SWG will be shut down in less than 9 months.
You heard it here first.
Yours in Prognostication Plasma,
Star*Dagger
"so any chance soe will ever offer a classic server?"
Torres "Well what if someone discovers an exploit?"
....
ummm....
That was Julio Torres' reason for never offering classic servers...anyone else remember that interview on attack of the show?
Has soe ever to this day truely said they blew it when they shoved NGE on us?
So for all you vet haters out there....we'll blow your planet up!
The line must be drawn here! THIS FAR AND NO FARTHER!!!!!
edit:
a buddy of mine signed up THIS month to see if the game is any better......NO. the population on BRIA is DEAD DEAD DEAD...he saw 20 ppl TOTAL in several star ports..all the major cantinas too...
DEAD.
This game has been dead for so many years, it needs to be buried and the devs who made the decision buried with all copies of the game code.
Ever since the SWG dick-stepping, anything SOE is unacceptable. I was in the Vanguard alpha & beta from the beginning and when SOE stepped in I ran away screaming. I avoid everything SOE like the plague.
Burn me once, shame you you. Burn me twice, shame on me.
so i have t loot for components to add to my own quests...bah
pass
There is an alternative. You can run others quests and earn silver coins towards booster packs for Chronicles Relics. But its just as easy to kill... well, everything in the game to get relics. You can also craft to earn them as well.