I am not going to sit here and argue about something that we're never goingto agree on. Gameloading ::rolls her eyes:: lol...sorry but you are laughable in your comments.
Sure, actually using common sense and realising that a 16 year old who crashed into a tanker isn't ready to go by herself around the world is laughable, but comparing a trip like that to crossing the street makes perfect sense.
It's pretty obvious who's comments are really laughable.
No..I'm just of a different mindset then you. I see things differently. I think the way you think is rather funny. Forgive me for being the way I am...I forgive you for being the way you are.
You are asking this question to me? Seriously. Did you forget the question I asked not long ago on these very forums about going to Mars knowing it might be a one way trip and that you'd most likely die? My answer was I'd go in a heart beat. I'd be willing to go even if I knew it was a one way trip. I guess that makes me crazy.
I would also volunteer for such a mission. That is an entirely different circumstance. In this case there are very obvious deficiencies in ability and experience that can be eliminated to make this trip much less dangerous. Proceeding at this point is reckless.
In the case of a mission to Mars that would represent a journey at the very edge of the envelope of mankind's capability. There would be huge risks primarily because of what can NOT be forseen. Simultaneously that trip would represent what I consider to be the most noble and hopeful pursuit of man.
One is risk of death that serves no greater purpose and that can be greatly mitigated bt preparation, the other represents risk of death with GREAT purpose that can NOT be effectively mitigated.
Apples and oranges.
EDIT- and if you are going to be with me on that mission to Mars let's resolve this issue. If you really are a fan of taking unnecessary risks I'd like to know that before we leave : )
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
I am not going to sit here and argue about something that we're never goingto agree on. Gameloading ::rolls her eyes:: lol...sorry but you are laughable in your comments.
Teala did you read that comments by the guy who has sailed around Cape Horn seven times?
He only gave her a 66% chance of SURVIVING the voyage if she proceeds as planned. Would you get on a plane if you had a 1 in 3 chance of dying on the flight? I really don't think you would.
I would LOVE to see this girl make this trip with the right equipment and more experience. They are obviously rushing things to try to get into the record book.
And it's all bravado now, but if something happens to her those parents will be in mortal agony and anguish for the rest of their days.
Those of us that do things like climbing and cave diving get REALLY PISSED when poorly trained amateurs die because they are STUPID and then people call it a climbing/ diving accident. If you value the freedom to do something like make a long solo ocean voyage, then you should worry about the potential of a very expensive and highly publicized accident/ rescue in this case. That is exactly the kind of thing that might bring about regulations PROHIBITING such a voyage.
I can think of 5 climbing areas off the top of my head that are now CLOSED to climbing because some dumbass with no training got themselves killed there and they called it a "climbing accident."
If you want to participate in high risk recreational activities you have a responsibility to the community as well as yourself to be well trained.
Scubie you can back me up on this- I KNOW most of the cave diving fatalities aren't properly trained.
Yep and Statistics show the few leftover that die and that were trained ,disobeyed their accident analisys checksheet ..Thank God All Divers Live
Training (Dive was beyond training level/experience of the fatality)
Guidline (failed to maintain a continuous guideline to the surface or safe area)
Air (Did not follow rule of thirds for gas supply)
Depth (exceeded depth planned for or appropiate breathing gas mixtures available)
Lights(Failed to carry min. of 3 light sources (2 if cavern due to natural sunlight as 3rd light source) or didnt turn the dive when one of those light sources failed.
edit* I have never done any serious dry/sump caving but I guess other than the Air stip.part rest is the same?
I am not going to sit here and argue about something that we're never goingto agree on. Gameloading ::rolls her eyes:: lol...sorry but you are laughable in your comments.
Sure, actually using common sense and realising that a 16 year old who crashed into a tanker isn't ready to go by herself around the world is laughable, but comparing a trip like that to crossing the street makes perfect sense.
It's pretty obvious who's comments are really laughable.
No..I'm just of a different mindset then you. I see things differently. I think the way you think is rather funny. Forgive me for being the way I am...I forgive you for being the way you are.
Really? And what's so funny about my mindset?
I'm quite interested in what a person who just compared sailing the world at the age of 16 after crashing into a tanker to crossing the street finds funny about my comments.
In the time that we've discussed this topic this morning, at least 10 people have died in the US alone due to a car accident. In that same amount of time 0 have died due to a sailing accident. So you're telling me it is more dangerous to sail around the world. You're free to think the way you do. I think differently.
In the time that we've discussed this topic this morning, at least 10 people have died in the US alone due to a car accident. In that same amount of time 0 have died due to a sailing accident. So you're telling me it is more dangerous to sail around the world. You're free to think the way you do. I think differently.
To make this a valid comparison we would have to put the same number of people that were DRIVING during that period into sailboats alone and send them on ill-advised voyages around cape horn. (my mind is now scarred by the vision of an armada of little pink sailboats)
Based on expert opinion we'd probably end up with a couple hundred thousand dead people. (I do not die every third time I ride in my car)
Look, I'm all for the spirit of exploration just as much as you are. Can you tell me that you HONESTLY don't see where I'm coming from? Would your good friends say stubborness is one of your endearing traits?
Maybe it will make you feel better if I tell you that in my experience women are MUCH better naturally at climbing AND sailing than men because then tend to use balance and finesse instead of brute force in many situations (this is the absolute truth).
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
In the time that we've discussed this topic this morning, at least 10 people have died in the US alone due to a car accident. In that same amount of time 0 have died due to a sailing accident. So you're telling me it is more dangerous to sail around the world. You're free to think the way you do. I think differently.
Ofcourse there are more people who died due to a car accident because there are significantly more people driving a car than there are people sailing.
In the time that we've discussed this topic this morning, at least 10 people have died in the US alone due to a car accident. In that same amount of time 0 have died due to a sailing accident. So you're telling me it is more dangerous to sail around the world. You're free to think the way you do. I think differently.
Ofcourse there are more people who died due to a car accident because there are significantly more people driving a car than there are people sailing.
Well there you go. See...it is safer to sail then it is to drive. Not a lot of idiots out there sailing now is there.
In the time that we've discussed this topic this morning, at least 10 people have died in the US alone due to a car accident. In that same amount of time 0 have died due to a sailing accident. So you're telling me it is more dangerous to sail around the world. You're free to think the way you do. I think differently.
To make this a valid comparison we would have to put the same number of people that were DRIVING during that period into sailboats alone and send them on ill-advised voyages around cape horn. (my mind is now scarred by the vision of an armada of little pink sailboats)
Based on expert opinion we'd probably end up with a couple hundred thousand dead people. (I do not die every third time I ride in my car)
Look, I'm all for the spirit of exploration just as much as you are. Can you tell me that you HONESTLY don't see where I'm coming from? Would your good friends say stubborness is one of your endearing traits?
Maybe it will make you feel better if I tell you that in my experience women are MUCH better naturally at climbing AND sailing than men because then tend to use balance and finesse instead of brute force in many situations (this is the absolute truth).
She ran into a 63,000 ton coal carrier for goodness sake
Is that what is wrong with that god-awful excuse for a face?
Asshat. You out of gradeschool yet?
Sure am, poopyface.
Sorry, but she is ugly, and I am calling her out.
You know, there are plenty of people on this forum with viewpoints very different from mine, and by and large I respect them. After reviewing a number of your posts I've realized that you have never posted anything worth reading. At least you are consistent.
Oh gosh, I guess my day is just ruined now, isn't it?
I really don't see much wrong with this, i just hope she is more pre-paired then she leads on.
I personally think people are to over-protective now a days, if her family is okay with it then i don't see an issue here. Somebody was complaining about tax money being used to rescue her if something bad happens, i'm wondering why people aren't upset at tax money being used to rescue people for other things like Mountain climbing, etc. Perhaps we should all just lock ourselves in our homes and never do anything? wouldn't want to waste tax payer money...
Instead of looking at all sides i think people are just re-acting to their emotions, i personally wish her luck and hope everything goes well.
This topic is reminding me of the time Irwin held his kid feeding the croc and everyone over-reacted to it.
While i do understand others points about how they wouldn't let their kid do this or that blah blah blah, in the end its not our daughter and i'll respect the parents enough to let them make their own decision.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
I actually understand the point Teala is trying to make. I'm very neutral about the whole thing. I personally lean towards; let her wait until she's eighteen and age technically ready to make such a decision. However, if she gets lost or some other rescue operation has to take place, all the tons it costs will be directly her responsibility.
Also, I feel people are just supporting her because she's female and is attractive, and that's one of the only reasons she has gotten worldwide support. I think much less people cared when that 17 year old guy went on to circumnavigate the globe.
Lots of people have circumnavigated under sail. Personally I think there are some dreams and goals that are worth great risk. If the girl is psychologically strong enough to make long solo ocean passages then she is adult enough to make the decision to undertake a trip like this. I would absolutely support my own child in a similar endeavor. Actually if there were more peope her age around with that kind of vision I'd feel alot better about the future of mankind than I do now. SWEET CHRIST I just found a picture of her boat and I take everything back. I can't believe that any competent sailor would be caught dead in this: That atrocity is going to piss off king neptune bigtime.
That boat is going down. No one rides Neptune's ocean in that and lives.
Yeah she's defiantly much braver than I thought : )
I think that's the heart of the problem- she has very little experience.
I just found this very sad news story- one of her mentors was killed in an accident at sea just ten days ago. It seems that a very experienced crew made a navigational error with disastrous results. Teala this is what I'm referring to when I say that she has entered a very unforgiving environment.
I do wish her the best. Fortune does tend to favor the bold.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Whether she succeeds or not I hope she hits 18 right around when she is in my area
I bet you ANY AMOUNT OF GOLD that she is a VAGITARIAN! Only thing that is going to get her excited is some wall-to-wall carpet.. Some itchy itchy na na..
Whether she succeeds or not I hope she hits 18 right around when she is in my area
I bet you ANY AMOUNT OF GOLD that she is a VAGITARIAN! Only thing that is going to get her excited is some wall-to-wall carpet.. Some itchy itchy na na..
Now everyone on this board knows you are under the age of 14. Better not let your mom hear you talk that way- you'll be grounded for the weekend.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
She is an Aussie princess/heroine and having rich parents who buy her a yacht But I think she got bad oods. The other kid was almost captured by pirates and was also close at a time to collides with tanker.
Nope- she's got sponsors out the wazoo. I think her parents want to GET rich by cashing in on her celebrity.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
She is an Aussie princess/heroine and having rich parents who buy her a yacht But I think she got bad oods. The other kid was almost captured by pirates and was also close at a time to collides with tanker.
Nope- she's got sponsors out the wazoo. I think her parents want to GET rich by cashing in on her celebrity.
It would've been a whole lot cheaper for them if they'd just said she'd floated away in a balloon.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
if she does die it will be one of the longest most painful most agonizing deaths you can imagine. Being swept away by the sea, potentially living for days under a beating sun with water saturated skin and a extremely dehydrated body, with constant emotional and physical pain wishing you had never come out to sea in the first place.
If shes lucky she'll drown quick or get eaten by a shark.
Whoever advocates this has no clue as to the dangers of the sea. And if a 16 year old girl by Gods grace actually makes the voyage, its nothing short of a miracle.
Ill be looking forward to hearing about the search and rescue mission in the news... If she decides to go through with it.
I thought it was funny the OP that compared this to driving and other things.
terrible terrible terrible idea. if she does die it will be one of the longest most painful most agonizing deaths you can imagine. Being swept away by the sea, potentially living for days under a beating sun with water saturated skin and a extremely dehydrated body, with constant emotional and physical pain wishing you had never come out to sea in the first place. If shes lucky she'll drown quick or get eaten by a shark. Whoever advocates this has no clue as to the dangers of the sea. And if a 16 year old girl by Gods grace actually makes the voyage, its nothing short of a miracle. Ill be looking forward to hearing about the search and rescue mission in the news... If she decides to go through with it. I thought it was funny the OP that compared this to driving and other things.
Well I guess if it is a legit trip? Even on her website they arent furnishing tracking data.She could be shadowed by a support ship ,no one really knows .If it is on the up and up.
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Sure, actually using common sense and realising that a 16 year old who crashed into a tanker isn't ready to go by herself around the world is laughable, but comparing a trip like that to crossing the street makes perfect sense.
It's pretty obvious who's comments are really laughable.
No..I'm just of a different mindset then you. I see things differently. I think the way you think is rather funny. Forgive me for being the way I am...I forgive you for being the way you are.
I would also volunteer for such a mission. That is an entirely different circumstance. In this case there are very obvious deficiencies in ability and experience that can be eliminated to make this trip much less dangerous. Proceeding at this point is reckless.
In the case of a mission to Mars that would represent a journey at the very edge of the envelope of mankind's capability. There would be huge risks primarily because of what can NOT be forseen. Simultaneously that trip would represent what I consider to be the most noble and hopeful pursuit of man.
One is risk of death that serves no greater purpose and that can be greatly mitigated bt preparation, the other represents risk of death with GREAT purpose that can NOT be effectively mitigated.
Apples and oranges.
EDIT- and if you are going to be with me on that mission to Mars let's resolve this issue. If you really are a fan of taking unnecessary risks I'd like to know that before we leave : )
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Teala did you read that comments by the guy who has sailed around Cape Horn seven times?
He only gave her a 66% chance of SURVIVING the voyage if she proceeds as planned. Would you get on a plane if you had a 1 in 3 chance of dying on the flight? I really don't think you would.
I would LOVE to see this girl make this trip with the right equipment and more experience. They are obviously rushing things to try to get into the record book.
And it's all bravado now, but if something happens to her those parents will be in mortal agony and anguish for the rest of their days.
Those of us that do things like climbing and cave diving get REALLY PISSED when poorly trained amateurs die because they are STUPID and then people call it a climbing/ diving accident. If you value the freedom to do something like make a long solo ocean voyage, then you should worry about the potential of a very expensive and highly publicized accident/ rescue in this case. That is exactly the kind of thing that might bring about regulations PROHIBITING such a voyage.
I can think of 5 climbing areas off the top of my head that are now CLOSED to climbing because some dumbass with no training got themselves killed there and they called it a "climbing accident."
If you want to participate in high risk recreational activities you have a responsibility to the community as well as yourself to be well trained.
Scubie you can back me up on this- I KNOW most of the cave diving fatalities aren't properly trained.
Yep and Statistics show the few leftover that die and that were trained ,disobeyed their accident analisys checksheet ..Thank God All Divers Live
Training (Dive was beyond training level/experience of the fatality)
Guidline (failed to maintain a continuous guideline to the surface or safe area)
Air (Did not follow rule of thirds for gas supply)
Depth (exceeded depth planned for or appropiate breathing gas mixtures available)
Lights(Failed to carry min. of 3 light sources (2 if cavern due to natural sunlight as 3rd light source) or didnt turn the dive when one of those light sources failed.
edit* I have never done any serious dry/sump caving but I guess other than the Air stip.part rest is the same?
Sure, actually using common sense and realising that a 16 year old who crashed into a tanker isn't ready to go by herself around the world is laughable, but comparing a trip like that to crossing the street makes perfect sense.
It's pretty obvious who's comments are really laughable.
No..I'm just of a different mindset then you. I see things differently. I think the way you think is rather funny. Forgive me for being the way I am...I forgive you for being the way you are.
Really? And what's so funny about my mindset?
I'm quite interested in what a person who just compared sailing the world at the age of 16 after crashing into a tanker to crossing the street finds funny about my comments.
In the time that we've discussed this topic this morning, at least 10 people have died in the US alone due to a car accident. In that same amount of time 0 have died due to a sailing accident. So you're telling me it is more dangerous to sail around the world. You're free to think the way you do. I think differently.
To make this a valid comparison we would have to put the same number of people that were DRIVING during that period into sailboats alone and send them on ill-advised voyages around cape horn. (my mind is now scarred by the vision of an armada of little pink sailboats)
Based on expert opinion we'd probably end up with a couple hundred thousand dead people. (I do not die every third time I ride in my car)
Look, I'm all for the spirit of exploration just as much as you are. Can you tell me that you HONESTLY don't see where I'm coming from? Would your good friends say stubborness is one of your endearing traits?
Maybe it will make you feel better if I tell you that in my experience women are MUCH better naturally at climbing AND sailing than men because then tend to use balance and finesse instead of brute force in many situations (this is the absolute truth).
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Ofcourse there are more people who died due to a car accident because there are significantly more people driving a car than there are people sailing.
Ofcourse there are more people who died due to a car accident because there are significantly more people driving a car than there are people sailing.
Well there you go. See...it is safer to sail then it is to drive. Not a lot of idiots out there sailing now is there.
To make this a valid comparison we would have to put the same number of people that were DRIVING during that period into sailboats alone and send them on ill-advised voyages around cape horn. (my mind is now scarred by the vision of an armada of little pink sailboats)
Based on expert opinion we'd probably end up with a couple hundred thousand dead people. (I do not die every third time I ride in my car)
Look, I'm all for the spirit of exploration just as much as you are. Can you tell me that you HONESTLY don't see where I'm coming from? Would your good friends say stubborness is one of your endearing traits?
Maybe it will make you feel better if I tell you that in my experience women are MUCH better naturally at climbing AND sailing than men because then tend to use balance and finesse instead of brute force in many situations (this is the absolute truth).
Stubborn...yep. I have been told this.
Is that what is wrong with that god-awful excuse for a face?
Asshat. You out of gradeschool yet?
Sure am, poopyface.
Sorry, but she is ugly, and I am calling her out.
You know, there are plenty of people on this forum with viewpoints very different from mine, and by and large I respect them. After reviewing a number of your posts I've realized that you have never posted anything worth reading. At least you are consistent.
Oh gosh, I guess my day is just ruined now, isn't it?
I really don't see much wrong with this, i just hope she is more pre-paired then she leads on.
I personally think people are to over-protective now a days, if her family is okay with it then i don't see an issue here. Somebody was complaining about tax money being used to rescue her if something bad happens, i'm wondering why people aren't upset at tax money being used to rescue people for other things like Mountain climbing, etc. Perhaps we should all just lock ourselves in our homes and never do anything? wouldn't want to waste tax payer money...
Instead of looking at all sides i think people are just re-acting to their emotions, i personally wish her luck and hope everything goes well.
This topic is reminding me of the time Irwin held his kid feeding the croc and everyone over-reacted to it.
While i do understand others points about how they wouldn't let their kid do this or that blah blah blah, in the end its not our daughter and i'll respect the parents enough to let them make their own decision.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
I actually understand the point Teala is trying to make. I'm very neutral about the whole thing. I personally lean towards; let her wait until she's eighteen and age technically ready to make such a decision. However, if she gets lost or some other rescue operation has to take place, all the tons it costs will be directly her responsibility.
Also, I feel people are just supporting her because she's female and is attractive, and that's one of the only reasons she has gotten worldwide support. I think much less people cared when that 17 year old guy went on to circumnavigate the globe.
That boat is going down. No one rides Neptune's ocean in that and lives.
Yeah she's defiantly much braver than I thought : )
If she has a lot of experience in the sea then I think she could have a chance.
I think that's the heart of the problem- she has very little experience.
I just found this very sad news story- one of her mentors was killed in an accident at sea just ten days ago. It seems that a very experienced crew made a navigational error with disastrous results. Teala this is what I'm referring to when I say that she has entered a very unforgiving environment.
I do wish her the best. Fortune does tend to favor the bold.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Nice offering for Poseidon! Aussies must be desperate!
R.I.P Chikaca Whachuchu
Whether she succeeds or not I hope she hits 18 right around when she is in my area
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I bet you ANY AMOUNT OF GOLD that she is a VAGITARIAN! Only thing that is going to get her excited is some wall-to-wall carpet.. Some itchy itchy na na..
R.I.P Chikaca Whachuchu
I bet you ANY AMOUNT OF GOLD that she is a VAGITARIAN! Only thing that is going to get her excited is some wall-to-wall carpet.. Some itchy itchy na na..
Now everyone on this board knows you are under the age of 14. Better not let your mom hear you talk that way- you'll be grounded for the weekend.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Ok, this just needs to be said before anyone says it: "She can circumnavigate my globes anytime!"
My blog is a continuing story of what MMO's should be like.
She is an Aussie princess/heroine and having rich parents who buy her a yacht
But I think she got bad oods. The other kid was almost captured by pirates and was also close at a time to collides with tanker.
Nope- she's got sponsors out the wazoo. I think her parents want to GET rich by cashing in on her celebrity.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Nope- she's got sponsors out the wazoo. I think her parents want to GET rich by cashing in on her celebrity.
It would've been a whole lot cheaper for them if they'd just said she'd floated away in a balloon.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
terrible terrible terrible idea.
if she does die it will be one of the longest most painful most agonizing deaths you can imagine. Being swept away by the sea, potentially living for days under a beating sun with water saturated skin and a extremely dehydrated body, with constant emotional and physical pain wishing you had never come out to sea in the first place.
If shes lucky she'll drown quick or get eaten by a shark.
Whoever advocates this has no clue as to the dangers of the sea. And if a 16 year old girl by Gods grace actually makes the voyage, its nothing short of a miracle.
Ill be looking forward to hearing about the search and rescue mission in the news... If she decides to go through with it.
I thought it was funny the OP that compared this to driving and other things.
Well I guess if it is a legit trip? Even on her website they arent furnishing tracking data.She could be shadowed by a support ship ,no one really knows .If it is on the up and up.