WoW will be more kid played , by the reason of EQ2's steep system requirements. How many parents gonna buy $500 in upgrades so lil' jonny can play EQ2? Well that leaves WoW.
Its true. Only a handful a people want PvP in a game. as least free PvP. I think it should be optional. and if you dont believe me, look up the information for youself.
World of Warcraft is rated T for TEEN (ESRB). Not E for everyone (ESRB). Meaning is not meant for kids, but kids still play it. But parents hold responsability for the kid(s) when playing. Also, game experiance may change during online play (ESRB Notice).
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Originally posted by Siolenas All I heard from your whole post I is I hate blah blah blah. Get your facts strait before you make a post on how blizzard makes games. Sure as long as they stay offline or doesnt include any personalization, like Warcraft games have their great, but as soon as Diablo 2 came out and they made that online, it tooks years to reach the point of oblvion and balance. Secodly, You judge a game saying Blizzard knows how to make games. THis is THEIR FIRST MMO. Expect it to have all the faults the The origingal EQ had!!!. You rate your game because it has PvP. That only targets about 5% of the gaming community. Lets took a look at the very bland classes and race selection. No real customization, no depth, just plain old warcraft style. Infact, if you want to write about a bad idea. Take a look at the undead being a playable race. They have no intelect, to personality, no commonsense, pretty much a midnless being. In closing. Do you homework before you make a post to the world. Each game has their pro's and Con's so don't give a reason why SOE sucks just because you hate them. SOE started the MMO revolution that now Blizzard is modeling WoW Online after. WoW has no real innovation, its more or less a clone of EQ or FFXI. At least EQ2 is orignal concept with repsects to Heiarchy of classes and skills instead of making a bland, easy to play game like WoW. Also, lets take gameplay without regards to graphics. Complete innovative. Each battle truely feels epic, not just a high action packed swing and kill style that UO and WoW will have. You say you have played beta for EQ2 but you bring up no negative facts on the game only that you state that hate the company and the origianl. If you want to sound intelligent, post some facts, if you want to start a fight, please keep it to yourselves.
Scampers
Have you even played WoW? I have for months. I have also played multiple MMO's (and almost all of SOE's titles) before this one. WoW by far is the best one I've seen. Being their first MMO is actually a GOOD thing, as it forces them to try and prove themselves as competent, so they try extra hard. Also, they have tons of MMO expereinced programmer's on staff. Guess what? WoW is 100x more stable then EQ 2 is right now. Hmmm, now who is the more experienced one? Who is the "king" of MMO's? Who should have the most stable servers? SOE. Oh wait...they are being beat by a "new MMO" company(at least in your eyes). Makes you think huh? You need to get your facts straight as you obviously know nothing about the game.
Have you even played the EQ 2? You are making statements about it without backing it up with any statements. In fact, I could link you to one of the bigger EQ 2 fansites (eqii.com) where a moderator who first liked the game now says this game looks like it has no potential. Hmmm, looking pretty tough now doesn't it? What is so innovative about EQ 2. Give me CONCRETE EXAMPLES. I bet I could find more innovation in WoW then EQ 2 (not saying WoW has tons of it, but it does have some).
Oh and your comment about PvP...on the beta test the population is split about 50/50 between the two ruleset servers, maybe 40/60 in favor of the normal one. It is not 5%. Plus WoW is being released in Korea, which is all about PvP, and will give BLizz possibly 10x the subscibers EQ 2 will have. Again, do your homework....
I'm just getting sick and tired of unbelievably arrogant but completely ignorant poster's talking about WoW when they are completely wrong...
Originally posted by jimothypetro WoW may not be for kids, but it WILL attract more kids. Ever hear of "bnet kiddies"? ----------------------------------
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." -- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
Funny concidering that most kids would go play EQ2 cause it's the latest in high tech graphics and it has hot looking elves and Inkies and... and.... !!!!
That is what kids want.
That is about the only thing EQ2 has going for it.
Kids won't play WoW cause they rather pretend to be playing an 'adult' game so others think that is whom they are.
Kids will play WoW cause they have no choice or they actually want to have fun. /smirk
"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
Originally posted by Brambey Why did you pre-order if you cant play right away?? Sounds really stupid to me.
No but what you just said sounded pretty damn stupid to me. LOL
"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
Most will still play, but it is nothing to what you think it will be...
Very few people now stick by this game as being a next generation MMO. Most likely Vanguard will be the first if it doesn't become vaporware with its planned content.
EDIT: May notice that no WoW forum has topics like this. It may not be perfect, but it is damn good enough to unite most of its fanbase.
Originally posted by Siolenas All I heard from your whole post I is I hate blah blah blah. Get your facts strait before you make a post on how blizzard makes games. Sure as long as they stay offline or doesnt include any personalization, like Warcraft games have their great, but as soon as Diablo 2 came out and they made that online, it tooks years to reach the point of oblvion and balance. Secodly, You judge a game saying Blizzard knows how to make games. THis is THEIR FIRST MMO. Expect it to have all the faults the The origingal EQ had!!!. You rate your game because it has PvP. That only targets about 5% of the gaming community. Lets took a look at the very bland classes and race selection. No real customization, no depth, just plain old warcraft style. Infact, if you want to write about a bad idea. Take a look at the undead being a playable race. They have no intelect, to personality, no commonsense, pretty much a midnless being. In closing. Do you homework before you make a post to the world. Each game has their pro's and Con's so don't give a reason why SOE sucks just because you hate them. SOE started the MMO revolution that now Blizzard is modeling WoW Online after. WoW has no real innovation, its more or less a clone of EQ or FFXI. At least EQ2 is orignal concept with repsects to Heiarchy of classes and skills instead of making a bland, easy to play game like WoW. Also, lets take gameplay without regards to graphics. Complete innovative. Each battle truely feels epic, not just a high action packed swing and kill style that UO and WoW will have. You say you have played beta for EQ2 but you bring up no negative facts on the game only that you state that hate the company and the origianl. If you want to sound intelligent, post some facts, if you want to start a fight, please keep it to yourselves.
Scampers
Have you even played WoW? I have for months. I have also played multiple MMO's (and almost all of SOE's titles) before this one. WoW by far is the best one I've seen. Being their first MMO is actually a GOOD thing, as it forces them to try and prove themselves as competent, so they try extra hard. Also, they have tons of MMO expereinced programmer's on staff. Guess what? WoW is 100x more stable then EQ 2 is right now. Hmmm, now who is the more experienced one? Who is the "king" of MMO's? Who should have the most stable servers? SOE. Oh wait...they are being beat by a "new MMO" company(at least in your eyes). Makes you think huh? You need to get your facts straight as you obviously know nothing about the game.
Have you even played the EQ 2? You are making statements about it without backing it up with any statements. In fact, I could link you to one of the bigger EQ 2 fansites (eqii.com) where a moderator who first liked the game now says this game looks like it has no potential. Hmmm, looking pretty tough now doesn't it? What is so innovative about EQ 2. Give me CONCRETE EXAMPLES. I bet I could find more innovation in WoW then EQ 2 (not saying WoW has tons of it, but it does have some).
Oh and your comment about PvP...on the beta test the population is split about 50/50 between the two ruleset servers, maybe 40/60 in favor of the normal one. It is not 5%. Plus WoW is being released in Korea, which is all about PvP, and will give BLizz possibly 10x the subscibers EQ 2 will have. Again, do your homework....
I'm just getting sick and tired of unbelievably arrogant but completely ignorant poster's talking about WoW when they are completely wrong...
I could not have said it better. I have played both Betas. Go to the EQ2 beta sights Nothing but pissed off beta testers. GO SOE you screwed up SWG and now EQ2. I really wanted to play EQ2. At first it was great. The boat ride was fun, The first Noobe Island I was having a good time. Then as soon as I went to Qeynos and leveld over 18 I started thinking is this all there is? Fishing is Juping in the water and clicking on fish, Mining is clicking on rocks. Its a joke. WOW has differnt levels off fishing Polls , Differnt levels of Mining picks, PVP etc... Its funny as soon as the NDA was lifted all you seen on EQ2 fourms where pepole saying THIS GAME SUCKS. And it does Iam a little pissed at SOE. They had my hopes up for SWG and EQ2 and screwd them up bad.
Why not just go play what you find more intresting.
If you like WoW fine play it.
Don't worry who has more kids or not.First a few kids behave very mature.Second you can always find a guild which has like minds and plat together in any game.
Also why are people so concerned who outsells who.I mean raise your hand if you own shares in SoE or blizzard.Ok now raise your hands if either of this company pays you.Not many hands i bet
So why do u care if WoW sells 2 million copies and EQ2 sells 1 million or the other way round.
Both will sell huge no matter the ranting .Both will have crowded servers .So what difference does it make to anyone but the directors of the company if they hhave 30 packed servers or 20 packed servers.
But yet i keep finding posts everyday about who will outsell who and people foaming in the mouth about this.
Also someone mentioned a review from EQ2.com.Would it be the same ex moderator who got booted from eq2.com and has even by his own admission said he is very bitter?
If it is then sorry the guy has been caught spreading false and misleading information and has long since shut up.
In conclusion go buy what you like.For me i am going EQ2 though i think both games are equally good.
The final decision was made for me when blizzard not only plan to release the game in europe in 2005 but have gone a step further to block Credit cards with non USA addresses.
I can of course give a fake post code with correct CC numbers and it will probably work but don't see why i have to.
At least CoH,SWG and other mmorpg allowed you to play the USA version if u imported it without having to look for loop holes .
Blizzard is taking steps to keep out the europeans till feb 2005 and since i found EQ2 equally as good then they can have my money because its coming out 1-4 days after USA release .
Originally posted by Realmreaver Originally posted by jimothypetro WoW may not be for kids, but it WILL attract more kids. Ever hear of "bnet kiddies"? ---------------------------------- "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."-- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977 Funny concidering that most kids would go play EQ2 cause it's the latest in high tech graphics and it has hot looking elves and Inkies and... and.... !!!! That is what kids want. That is about the only thing EQ2 has going for it. Kids won't play WoW cause they rather pretend to be playing an 'adult' game so others think that is whom they are. Kids will play WoW cause they have no choice or they actually want to have fun. /smirk "love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
Heh.. and you base that on what? Absolutely nothing?
I don't know about you, but when I was a "kiddie", I spent most of my TV-time watching cartoons on Nickelodeon(sp).
And girls have "coodies", so why would you want hot elves in it?
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Originally posted by hercules Why not just go play what you find more intresting. If you like WoW fine play it. Don't worry who has more kids or not.First a few kids behave very mature.Second you can always find a guild which has like minds and plat together in any game. Also why are people so concerned who outsells who.I mean raise your hand if you own shares in SoE or blizzard.Ok now raise your hands if either of this company pays you.Not many hands i bet So why do u care if WoW sells 2 million copies and EQ2 sells 1 million or the other way round. Both will sell huge no matter the ranting .Both will have crowded servers .So what difference does it make to anyone but the directors of the company if they hhave 30 packed servers or 20 packed servers. But yet i keep finding posts everyday about who will outsell who and people foaming in the mouth about this. Also someone mentioned a review from EQ2.com.Would it be the same ex moderator who got booted from eq2.com and has even by his own admission said he is very bitter? If it is then sorry the guy has been caught spreading false and misleading information and has long since shut up. In conclusion go buy what you like.For me i am going EQ2 though i think both games are equally good. The final decision was made for me when blizzard not only plan to release the game in europe in 2005 but have gone a step further to block Credit cards with non USA addresses. I can of course give a fake post code with correct CC numbers and it will probably work but don't see why i have to. At least CoH,SWG and other mmorpg allowed you to play the USA version if u imported it without having to look for loop holes . Blizzard is taking steps to keep out the europeans till feb 2005 and since i found EQ2 equally as good then they can have my money because its coming out 1-4 days after USA release .
I do agree the no Euros on US servers is lame. Rumers are they are going to change that and should.
If they change the server idea it better be before release. If they do it after release than guilds would have to start over, and start new characters(and many guilds wouldn't want to do that).
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Originally posted by Siolenas All I heard from your whole post I is I hate blah blah blah. Get your facts strait before you make a post on how blizzard makes games. Sure as long as they stay offline or doesnt include any personalization, like Warcraft games have their great, but as soon as Diablo 2 came out and they made that online, it tooks years to reach the point of oblvion and balance. Secodly, You judge a game saying Blizzard knows how to make games. THis is THEIR FIRST MMO. Expect it to have all the faults the The origingal EQ had!!!. You rate your game because it has PvP. That only targets about 5% of the gaming community. Lets took a look at the very bland classes and race selection. No real customization, no depth, just plain old warcraft style. Infact, if you want to write about a bad idea. Take a look at the undead being a playable race. They have no intelect, to personality, no commonsense, pretty much a midnless being. In closing. Do you homework before you make a post to the world. Each game has their pro's and Con's so don't give a reason why SOE sucks just because you hate them. SOE started the MMO revolution that now Blizzard is modeling WoW Online after. WoW has no real innovation, its more or less a clone of EQ or FFXI. At least EQ2 is orignal concept with repsects to Heiarchy of classes and skills instead of making a bland, easy to play game like WoW. Also, lets take gameplay without regards to graphics. Complete innovative. Each battle truely feels epic, not just a high action packed swing and kill style that UO and WoW will have. You say you have played beta for EQ2 but you bring up no negative facts on the game only that you state that hate the company and the origianl. If you want to sound intelligent, post some facts, if you want to start a fight, please keep it to yourselves.Scampers
Its really rediculous how little this guy knows about either game and the MMO industry as a whole. SoE did NOT create EQ so it did NOT "start the MMO revolution". The only MMO of note that they have created is SWG, and it sucks. SoE bought EQ from some other small company I forget it's name... but they definitely didnt start the "mmo revolution".
Also tell me where you got this 5% pvp number? Because its total crap. At least 80% of MMO gamers enjoy pvp once in a while... its a good addition to the game. Also, on the PvE servers, PvP is VOLUNTARY, obviously you know nothing about WoW... If you dont like PvP play the PvE servers and just dont PvP... simple.
Also I totally dis-agree about the Undead being a bad playable race. It is UNIQUE, INNOVATIVE... WoW actually has GOOD unique races like the Undead/Orcs/Trolls/Tauren/Night Elf (kindof original). In WoW lore, Undead are NOT mindless beings... do your research. The Undead WERE controlled by the Lich but (sortof like the Borg in Star Trek) rebelled against the Lich and are now in it for themselves. Just because you have no imagination does NOT mean WoW's undead cant stray from the norm.
In conclusion, you should go play EQ2. Please, help yourself. Because we dont need a moron like you in WoW.
((This guy is an example of those 12 year old kids that WONT be playing WoW and will go to EQ2 guys )
Just wanted to chime in on the Undead in WoW, if you have not played them don't even begin to knock them. They have to be one of the better races for the horde.
They have the best starting area, and the most quests pre-trip to the barrens. They are cool in so many ways and like Brambey said they are quite unique. But if your so closed minded I hope you goto EQ2 cuz really WoW does not need more mindless zombies playing humans and naked female night elves.
Yes I am in beta for both and have been for about a month. I have had no problems with the servers for both, nor did I say that was an issue.
As for as your comment regarding being the First MMO. My worry about WoW is being balanced. Think back to Diablo and Diablo II. The one concept of that game that was ruined was the fact that Blizzard did not balance the classes.
Saying that, WoW may have the majority of subsribers until people get tired of the non-innovative Everquest look alike. They didny create anything new they sat down and looked at what was successful like FFXI auction boards, and group based system, took the PK portion of Camelot and twisted for the good vs evil side of their Game. Do I need to point out any more similaties between WoW and the rest of the many games it coppied?
As far as the 5% goes you can poll it anyway you want to get the results you want. If people want PK so dearly then why does EQ2 have any subscribers. Of Course if you ask a group of people who look for Pk in a game thats what they will tell you. So before you call me arogant and ingnorant make sure you tell the full story of the stats.
I don't think that Wow a childs game infact the full theme of it is pretty contradictory to those who say such things, but for reasons above, unfornately it will become the childresn game of choice which is a shame.
is malkavian okay? what about you kunuo? There have been so many topics like these, normally moderators never let a topic called: Everquest2 or World of Warcraft, live for more than 3 min.
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OMG - Your saying playing a brainless lichcontroled race is considered innovative. Give me a break. Infact, all their races are from their game, WHich I will add is a strong point of the game. The undead in any game or movie has never been something that has intellegence. Even to the point in Warcraft there were mindless being being manipulated.
I do like the rest of the races though, and I have played WoW, both the stress test, and beta. I think it has great potential. Seperating servers for PvE and PvP is crap. Thats the weak way around with balancing the system for the better.
Perhaps 90% want it SOMETIMES, but they do not want to be around and part of it 90% of the time in the game. Funny how you can make numbers look the way you want. Even I enjoy PK every once in a while, but not when I want to play the game and have to worry about people killing you for fun.
TO strengthen my statement, Take a look at Leniage 2. People go around threatning PK to everyone that gets in your way. That envirmoent not only hurt that game but damn near burried it as well.
To the person who wrote about the fishing pole and different bair. Hrm Another ripoff of FFXI. WoW is nothing but a degraded graphical version of FFXI. Point Made.
Originally posted by Rukland Just wanted to chime in on the Undead in WoW, if you have not played them don't even begin to knock them. They have to be one of the better races for the horde. They have the best starting area, and the most quests pre-trip to the barrens. They are cool in so many ways and like Brambey said they are quite unique. But if your so closed minded I hope you goto EQ2 cuz really WoW does not need more mindless zombies playing humans and naked female night elves.
Hmm. I made no inquire about there starting points or quests. I have plenty of imagination, but still anyone with any knowledge of D&D or AD&D knows that they cant even communicate, they have no coordination(hense you never see them casting magic or using weapons). The only undead that have any sense of "being" is vampires and liches, but obvously this means nothing to you because you think they are "Cool".
I am tired of arguing things about WoW. If you think that WoW is truely an Original game. Play Final Fantasy Online and your going to see alot of the same things over and over on WoW that FFXI devoloped first.
Originally posted by Siolenas Point out one good game or movie that had undead as something mor e then just to kill and I will take back my words.
Scampers
Ok fine I really was not trying to get into anything like this but here goes.
Games :
FFX : Auron was undead
SoulReaver: Azriel was Undead
Movies:
Blade: Blade is Half Human/Half Vampire making him half undead
Interview With A Vampire: A whole movie that showed vampires as more then mindless undead
There ya go 4 examples of undead being used in movies and games and not just as mindless things to kill. Really if you don't like the undead don't play them but at least Blizzard did something besides the boring normal Human, dwarf, elf races.
Originally posted by Siolenas Hmm. I made no inquire about there starting points or quests. I have plenty of imagination, but still anyone with any knowledge of D&D or AD&D knows that they cant even communicate, they have no coordination(hense you never see them casting magic or using weapons). The only undead that have any sense of "being" is vampires and liches, but obvously this means nothing to you because you think they are "Cool". I am tired of arguing things about WoW. If you think that WoW is truely an Original game. Play Final Fantasy Online and your going to see alot of the same things over and over on WoW that FFXI devoloped first.
Scampers
Wow so you base everything off a 30 year old P&P game? Is that really the end all for information in a fantasy based game? Does this mean Blizzard should throw out everything they have done because it does not fit the D&D mold? Quick someone tell Blizzard they can't do anything differnet.
As for FFXI, *yawn* played it for 2 months was bored out my mind. I really like the FF games on the consoles but the MMO did nothing for me. That and the grind and lack of any chance of doing anything solo past 20 made it very trying to play. And really what has Square done that is new since they made FFIII? Oh well guess you just don't like WoW and thats cool. I am sure the game will go on with out your support.
Originally posted by Siolenas Point out one good game or movie that had undead as something mor e then just to kill and I will take back my words.
Scampers
Ok fine I really was not trying to get into anything like this but here goes.
Games :
FFX : Auron was undead
SoulReaver: Azriel was Undead
Movies:
Blade: Blade is Half Human/Half Vampire making him half undead
Interview With A Vampire: A whole movie that showed vampires as more then mindless undead
There ya go 4 examples of undead being used in movies and games and not just as mindless things to kill. Really if you don't like the undead don't play them but at least Blizzard did something besides the boring normal Human, dwarf, elf races.
You seem to miss my post regarding vampires. Blade - Half vampire means he is still part human. Hrm Soulreaver - Last time I checked all of them were vampires., but not Zombies.
and to your comment about the 30 year old game on Paper. That would like saying why have WoW based off of any of the Warcraft series. According you to, Cant them come up with any new?
Not if this means anything to you. The one good thing about WoW is their name policy, but according to there rules what could you actually name the undead that doesnt resemble a walking corpse.
Originally posted by jimothypetro WoW may not be for kids, but it WILL attract more kids. Ever hear of "bnet kiddies"? ---------------------------------- "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."-- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
Funny concidering that most kids would go play EQ2 cause it's the latest in high tech graphics and it has hot looking elves and Inkies and... and.... !!!! That is what kids want. That is about the only thing EQ2 has going for it. Kids won't play WoW cause they rather pretend to be playing an 'adult' game so others think that is whom they are. Kids will play WoW cause they have no choice or they actually want to have fun. /smirk
"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
Heh.. and you base that on what? Absolutely nothing?
I don't know about you, but when I was a "kiddie", I spent most of my TV-time watching cartoons on Nickelodeon(sp).
And girls have "coodies", so why would you want hot elves in it?
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LOL wow you just dated yourself. I'd try to argue my point but you pretty much defended me with that statement and you lost all validation.
"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
Originally posted by Kunarick is malkavian okay? what about you kunuo? There have been so many topics like these, normally moderators never let a topic called: Everquest2 or World of Warcraft, live for more than 3 min.
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Exactly. I thought this tread would have been locked down by now. This ranting of which one is better than one another can go on and on with flamming. Also considering I've lost count of what number post this is about WoW vs. EQII
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WoW will be more kid played , by the reason of EQ2's steep system requirements. How many parents gonna buy $500 in upgrades so lil' jonny can play EQ2? Well that leaves WoW.
Sooo like it or not, ya getting kiddies!
Its true. Only a handful a people want PvP in a game. as least free PvP. I think it should be optional.
and if you dont believe me, look up the information for youself.
Scampers
Siolenas
WoW will have more "kiddies" in it than EQ2. Denying that makes you a fanboy.
1) "Bnet kiddies".
2) Many kids don't have good enough computers for EQ2, so they'll be buying WoW.
Do I think WoW is for kids? No, of course not.
I'll be playing WoW before EQ2, but I won't deny the fact that WoW will have a more immature community.
EDIT: Oh, and this is from a poll on the main page of this website:
"What are your views on PvP?"
"I think it is the best part about MMORPG's." - 37.5%
That's out of ~13,000 votes, so I'd imagine it's pretty accurate.
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Have you even played WoW? I have for months. I have also played multiple MMO's (and almost all of SOE's titles) before this one. WoW by far is the best one I've seen. Being their first MMO is actually a GOOD thing, as it forces them to try and prove themselves as competent, so they try extra hard. Also, they have tons of MMO expereinced programmer's on staff. Guess what? WoW is 100x more stable then EQ 2 is right now. Hmmm, now who is the more experienced one? Who is the "king" of MMO's? Who should have the most stable servers? SOE. Oh wait...they are being beat by a "new MMO" company(at least in your eyes). Makes you think huh? You need to get your facts straight as you obviously know nothing about the game.
Have you even played the EQ 2? You are making statements about it without backing it up with any statements. In fact, I could link you to one of the bigger EQ 2 fansites (eqii.com) where a moderator who first liked the game now says this game looks like it has no potential. Hmmm, looking pretty tough now doesn't it? What is so innovative about EQ 2. Give me CONCRETE EXAMPLES. I bet I could find more innovation in WoW then EQ 2 (not saying WoW has tons of it, but it does have some).
Oh and your comment about PvP...on the beta test the population is split about 50/50 between the two ruleset servers, maybe 40/60 in favor of the normal one. It is not 5%. Plus WoW is being released in Korea, which is all about PvP, and will give BLizz possibly 10x the subscibers EQ 2 will have. Again, do your homework....
I'm just getting sick and tired of unbelievably arrogant but completely ignorant poster's talking about WoW when they are completely wrong...
"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
Realmreaver formally of EQ, SWG, FFXI and WoW.
Malis/Pirotess of PSO.
Some named of Diablo 1 and 2
Grendel Kinguard of GW.
"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
Realmreaver formally of EQ, SWG, FFXI and WoW.
Malis/Pirotess of PSO.
Some named of Diablo 1 and 2
Grendel Kinguard of GW.
Here, decided to post for the guy talking about innovation what some die hard fans are saying about the game:
http://www.eqii.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=20242
Most will still play, but it is nothing to what you think it will be...
Very few people now stick by this game as being a next generation MMO. Most likely Vanguard will be the first if it doesn't become vaporware with its planned content.
EDIT: May notice that no WoW forum has topics like this. It may not be perfect, but it is damn good enough to unite most of its fanbase.
Have you even played WoW? I have for months. I have also played multiple MMO's (and almost all of SOE's titles) before this one. WoW by far is the best one I've seen. Being their first MMO is actually a GOOD thing, as it forces them to try and prove themselves as competent, so they try extra hard. Also, they have tons of MMO expereinced programmer's on staff. Guess what? WoW is 100x more stable then EQ 2 is right now. Hmmm, now who is the more experienced one? Who is the "king" of MMO's? Who should have the most stable servers? SOE. Oh wait...they are being beat by a "new MMO" company(at least in your eyes). Makes you think huh? You need to get your facts straight as you obviously know nothing about the game.
Have you even played the EQ 2? You are making statements about it without backing it up with any statements. In fact, I could link you to one of the bigger EQ 2 fansites (eqii.com) where a moderator who first liked the game now says this game looks like it has no potential. Hmmm, looking pretty tough now doesn't it? What is so innovative about EQ 2. Give me CONCRETE EXAMPLES. I bet I could find more innovation in WoW then EQ 2 (not saying WoW has tons of it, but it does have some).
Oh and your comment about PvP...on the beta test the population is split about 50/50 between the two ruleset servers, maybe 40/60 in favor of the normal one. It is not 5%. Plus WoW is being released in Korea, which is all about PvP, and will give BLizz possibly 10x the subscibers EQ 2 will have. Again, do your homework....
I'm just getting sick and tired of unbelievably arrogant but completely ignorant poster's talking about WoW when they are completely wrong...
I could not have said it better. I have played both Betas. Go to the EQ2 beta sights Nothing but pissed off beta testers. GO SOE you screwed up SWG and now EQ2. I really wanted to play EQ2. At first it was great. The boat ride was fun, The first Noobe Island I was having a good time. Then as soon as I went to Qeynos and leveld over 18 I started thinking is this all there is? Fishing is Juping in the water and clicking on fish, Mining is clicking on rocks. Its a joke. WOW has differnt levels off fishing Polls , Differnt levels of Mining picks, PVP etc... Its funny as soon as the NDA was lifted all you seen on EQ2 fourms where pepole saying THIS GAME SUCKS. And it does
Why not just go play what you find more intresting.
If you like WoW fine play it.
Don't worry who has more kids or not.First a few kids behave very mature.Second you can always find a guild which has like minds and plat together in any game.
Also why are people so concerned who outsells who.I mean raise your hand if you own shares in SoE or blizzard.Ok now raise your hands if either of this company pays you.Not many hands i bet
So why do u care if WoW sells 2 million copies and EQ2 sells 1 million or the other way round.
Both will sell huge no matter the ranting .Both will have crowded servers .So what difference does it make to anyone but the directors of the company if they hhave 30 packed servers or 20 packed servers.
But yet i keep finding posts everyday about who will outsell who and people foaming in the mouth about this.
Also someone mentioned a review from EQ2.com.Would it be the same ex moderator who got booted from eq2.com and has even by his own admission said he is very bitter?
If it is then sorry the guy has been caught spreading false and misleading information and has long since shut up.
In conclusion go buy what you like.For me i am going EQ2 though i think both games are equally good.
The final decision was made for me when blizzard not only plan to release the game in europe in 2005 but have gone a step further to block Credit cards with non USA addresses.
I can of course give a fake post code with correct CC numbers and it will probably work but don't see why i have to.
At least CoH,SWG and other mmorpg allowed you to play the USA version if u imported it without having to look for loop holes .
Blizzard is taking steps to keep out the europeans till feb 2005 and since i found EQ2 equally as good then they can have my money because its coming out 1-4 days after USA release .
Heh.. and you base that on what? Absolutely nothing?
I don't know about you, but when I was a "kiddie", I spent most of my TV-time watching cartoons on Nickelodeon(sp).
And girls have "coodies", so why would you want hot elves in it?
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"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
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"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
If they change the server idea it better be before release. If they do it after release than guilds would have to start over, and start new characters(and many guilds wouldn't want to do that).
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"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
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"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
Its really rediculous how little this guy knows about either game and the MMO industry as a whole. SoE did NOT create EQ so it did NOT "start the MMO revolution". The only MMO of note that they have created is SWG, and it sucks. SoE bought EQ from some other small company I forget it's name... but they definitely didnt start the "mmo revolution".
Also tell me where you got this 5% pvp number? Because its total crap. At least 80% of MMO gamers enjoy pvp once in a while... its a good addition to the game. Also, on the PvE servers, PvP is VOLUNTARY, obviously you know nothing about WoW... If you dont like PvP play the PvE servers and just dont PvP... simple.
Also I totally dis-agree about the Undead being a bad playable race. It is UNIQUE, INNOVATIVE... WoW actually has GOOD unique races like the Undead/Orcs/Trolls/Tauren/Night Elf (kindof original). In WoW lore, Undead are NOT mindless beings... do your research. The Undead WERE controlled by the Lich but (sortof like the Borg in Star Trek) rebelled against the Lich and are now in it for themselves. Just because you have no imagination does NOT mean WoW's undead cant stray from the norm.
In conclusion, you should go play EQ2. Please, help yourself. Because we dont need a moron like you in WoW.
((This guy is an example of those 12 year old kids that WONT be playing WoW and will go to EQ2 guys )
Just wanted to chime in on the Undead in WoW, if you have not played them don't even begin to knock them. They have to be one of the better races for the horde.
They have the best starting area, and the most quests pre-trip to the barrens. They are cool in so many ways and like Brambey said they are quite unique. But if your so closed minded I hope you goto EQ2 cuz really WoW does not need more mindless zombies playing humans and naked female night elves.
To answer your question:
Yes I am in beta for both and have been for about a month. I have had no problems with the servers for both, nor did I say that was an issue.
As for as your comment regarding being the First MMO. My worry about WoW is being balanced. Think back to Diablo and Diablo II. The one concept of that game that was ruined was the fact that Blizzard did not balance the classes.
Saying that, WoW may have the majority of subsribers until people get tired of the non-innovative Everquest look alike. They didny create anything new they sat down and looked at what was successful like FFXI auction boards, and group based system, took the PK portion of Camelot and twisted for the good vs evil side of their Game. Do I need to point out any more similaties between WoW and the rest of the many games it coppied?
As far as the 5% goes you can poll it anyway you want to get the results you want. If people want PK so dearly then why does EQ2 have any subscribers. Of Course if you ask a group of people who look for Pk in a game thats what they will tell you. So before you call me arogant and ingnorant make sure you tell the full story of the stats.
I don't think that Wow a childs game infact the full theme of it is pretty contradictory to those who say such things, but for reasons above, unfornately it will become the childresn game of choice which is a shame.
Scampers
Siolenas
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OMG - Your saying playing a brainless lichcontroled race is considered innovative. Give me a break. Infact, all their races are from their game, WHich I will add is a strong point of the game. The undead in any game or movie has never been something that has intellegence. Even to the point in Warcraft there were mindless being being manipulated.
I do like the rest of the races though, and I have played WoW, both the stress test, and beta. I think it has great potential. Seperating servers for PvE and PvP is crap. Thats the weak way around with balancing the system for the better.
Perhaps 90% want it SOMETIMES, but they do not want to be around and part of it 90% of the time in the game. Funny how you can make numbers look the way you want. Even I enjoy PK every once in a while, but not when I want to play the game and have to worry about people killing you for fun.
TO strengthen my statement, Take a look at Leniage 2. People go around threatning PK to everyone that gets in your way. That envirmoent not only hurt that game but damn near burried it as well.
To the person who wrote about the fishing pole and different bair. Hrm Another ripoff of FFXI. WoW is nothing but a degraded graphical version of FFXI. Point Made.
Scampers
Siolenas
Scampers
Siolenas
Hmm. I made no inquire about there starting points or quests. I have plenty of imagination, but still anyone with any knowledge of D&D or AD&D knows that they cant even communicate, they have no coordination(hense you never see them casting magic or using weapons). The only undead that have any sense of "being" is vampires and liches, but obvously this means nothing to you because you think they are "Cool".
I am tired of arguing things about WoW. If you think that WoW is truely an Original game. Play Final Fantasy Online and your going to see alot of the same things over and over on WoW that FFXI devoloped first.
Scampers
Siolenas
Ok fine I really was not trying to get into anything like this but here goes.
Games :
FFX : Auron was undead
SoulReaver: Azriel was Undead
Movies:
Blade: Blade is Half Human/Half Vampire making him half undead
Interview With A Vampire: A whole movie that showed vampires as more then mindless undead
There ya go 4 examples of undead being used in movies and games and not just as mindless things to kill. Really if you don't like the undead don't play them but at least Blizzard did something besides the boring normal Human, dwarf, elf races.
Wow so you base everything off a 30 year old P&P game? Is that really the end all for information in a fantasy based game? Does this mean Blizzard should throw out everything they have done because it does not fit the D&D mold? Quick someone tell Blizzard they can't do anything differnet.
As for FFXI, *yawn* played it for 2 months was bored out my mind. I really like the FF games on the consoles but the MMO did nothing for me. That and the grind and lack of any chance of doing anything solo past 20 made it very trying to play. And really what has Square done that is new since they made FFIII? Oh well guess you just don't like WoW and thats cool. I am sure the game will go on with out your support.
Ok fine I really was not trying to get into anything like this but here goes.
Games :
FFX : Auron was undead
SoulReaver: Azriel was Undead
Movies:
Blade: Blade is Half Human/Half Vampire making him half undead
Interview With A Vampire: A whole movie that showed vampires as more then mindless undead
There ya go 4 examples of undead being used in movies and games and not just as mindless things to kill. Really if you don't like the undead don't play them but at least Blizzard did something besides the boring normal Human, dwarf, elf races.
You seem to miss my post regarding vampires. Blade - Half vampire means he is still part human. Hrm Soulreaver - Last time I checked all of them were vampires., but not Zombies.
and to your comment about the 30 year old game on Paper. That would like saying why have WoW based off of any of the Warcraft series. According you to, Cant them come up with any new?
Not if this means anything to you. The one good thing about WoW is their name policy, but according to there rules what could you actually name the undead that doesnt resemble a walking corpse.
Scampers
Siolenas
Heh.. and you base that on what? Absolutely nothing?
I don't know about you, but when I was a "kiddie", I spent most of my TV-time watching cartoons on Nickelodeon(sp).
And girls have "coodies", so why would you want hot elves in it?
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"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
LOL wow you just dated yourself. I'd try to argue my point but you pretty much defended me with that statement and you lost all validation.
"love how they make an announcement saying open beta will be coming soon, then turn around and say it won't be here for a while.. its like poetry, only it sucks.. " -About Blizzard and their concept of 'soon'
Realmreaver formally of EQ, SWG, FFXI and WoW.
Malis/Pirotess of PSO.
Some named of Diablo 1 and 2
Grendel Kinguard of GW.
Exactly. I thought this tread would have been locked down by now. This ranting of which one is better than one another can go on and on with flamming. Also considering I've lost count of what number post this is about WoW vs. EQII
Hopefully this will be locked up soon........