I bought the 6-month sub and just can't bring myself to log into this game anymore. I logged in the other day just to try out the Bloodmoon Event, hoping it would renew my hope in this product....no luck. Bloodmoon is easily the WORST event in my MMO history. CoX trick or treating is better than that crap.
As far as the retcons in the store, before it was done there was a thread on the official forum actually asking for this. So, I can't fault Cryptic for adding something to the store that the players actually asked for. There are a lot more stuff I can fault them for, though. Lack of content is my biggest complaint.
I have since went back to LotRO.
When I went back for the bloodmoon event , it seems that many people left the SG I was in, and the few that were left were discussing how horrible the Bloodmoon event is. The devs need to do something to save this game.
I love the "hate" posts from people who never even bought the game, Cryptic must have kicked your kitty or something to hold them in such contempt, but never actually buy their product. And I really love the dis-information spread so quickly, the C-store is an extension to what you can earn in the game, each and every item has an in game attainable avenue, the c-store is more for the casual, or lazy (two very different gamers). I find it refreshing for a company to address so many different ways to get additional content into the game. C-Store is a second option, if you are going to write something, at least do a little research before putting your foot in your mouth.
Still playing, and still having a great time.
So what? How does it make it okay that the content that you can grind for is also possible to buy for RL money?
I paid a monthly subscription to the game and as such will not accept that others can buy shortcuts. That is not OK in my book.
I think the sad thruth is that most of the voices being heard are the nay sayers, not because they are in the majority but because they are just naturally more outspoken. I for one like the game. I like the new event as well, and I understand it to be an event, not an expansion. I think that it is infinitely more fun than the CoH Halloween event. And, as mentioned in the OP, many of the problems that have arisen have already been addressed. Keep in mind this game is just under two months old. I do think it will get better with time and I'm happy to stick with it.
And I really love the dis-information spreadso quickly, the C-store is an extension to what you can earn in the game, each and every item has an in game attainable avenue
LOL. Hypocrite.
Can you lay out how I "obtain" the costume pieces & the emblems?
Not every, smart stuff.
Yeah seriously, they saved back all these cool costume pieces for the item shop. DON"T say this is like city of hero's because as a vet I would point out the fact they only released such promo's when a new version of the boxed game was released for the most part. Cryptics prices border on crazy and YES i bought the game and played through beta and part of my sub.
I don't care how many ways they say you can obtain a retcon. What they are doing is using retcons as a additional money making device which is shady. If you pvp you know just how bad the balance is and guess what? This simply allows the MIN/MAXERS a way to get their FOTM builds at a huge premium price wise for the company. Before you say but look at the free retcons! Yup tell me how many of those they release to you in the next few months. My bet would be on very few if any.
And I really love the dis-information spreadso quickly, the C-store is an extension to what you can earn in the game, each and every item has an in game attainable avenue
LOL. Hypocrite.
Can you lay out how I "obtain" the costume pieces & the emblems?
Not every, smart stuff.
Yeah seriously, they saved back all these cool costume pieces for the item shop. DON"T say this is like city of hero's because as a vet I would point out the fact they only released such promo's when a new version of the boxed game was released for the most part. Cryptics prices border on crazy and YES i bought the game and played through beta and part of my sub.
I don't care how many ways they say you can obtain a retcon. What they are doing is using retcons as a additional money making device which is shady. If you pvp you know just how bad the balance is and guess what? This simply allows the MIN/MAXERS a way to get their FOTM builds at a huge premium price wise for the company. Before you say but look at the free retcons! Yup tell me how many of those they release to you in the next few months. My bet would be on very few if any.
there have been 4 freetcons since launch
I think he means since the release of the retcon in the store....
And I really love the dis-information spreadso quickly, the C-store is an extension to what you can earn in the game, each and every item has an in game attainable avenue
LOL. Hypocrite.
Can you lay out how I "obtain" the costume pieces & the emblems?
Not every, smart stuff.
Yeah seriously, they saved back all these cool costume pieces for the item shop. DON"T say this is like city of hero's because as a vet I would point out the fact they only released such promo's when a new version of the boxed game was released for the most part. Cryptics prices border on crazy and YES i bought the game and played through beta and part of my sub.
I don't care how many ways they say you can obtain a retcon. What they are doing is using retcons as a additional money making device which is shady. If you pvp you know just how bad the balance is and guess what? This simply allows the MIN/MAXERS a way to get their FOTM builds at a huge premium price wise for the company. Before you say but look at the free retcons! Yup tell me how many of those they release to you in the next few months. My bet would be on very few if any.
there have been 4 freetcons since launch
I think he means since the release of the retcon in the store....
And I really love the dis-information spreadso quickly, the C-store is an extension to what you can earn in the game, each and every item has an in game attainable avenue
LOL. Hypocrite.
Can you lay out how I "obtain" the costume pieces & the emblems?
Not every, smart stuff.
Yeah seriously, they saved back all these cool costume pieces for the item shop. DON"T say this is like city of hero's because as a vet I would point out the fact they only released such promo's when a new version of the boxed game was released for the most part. Cryptics prices border on crazy and YES i bought the game and played through beta and part of my sub.
I don't care how many ways they say you can obtain a retcon. What they are doing is using retcons as a additional money making device which is shady. If you pvp you know just how bad the balance is and guess what? This simply allows the MIN/MAXERS a way to get their FOTM builds at a huge premium price wise for the company. Before you say but look at the free retcons! Yup tell me how many of those they release to you in the next few months. My bet would be on very few if any.
there have been 4 freetcons since launch
I think he means since the release of the retcon in the store....
1 (with the release of blood moon)
Ummmm, I think he means in a few months time...Not like....now.
and those of you saying "coh has no store only costumes" i counter.
"no they have worse. Buyable jetpacks on a 30 day timer. 'Origin' packs that give costumes of a lower quality then the Co 'Epic' costumes (serious compare The Sciece or Technlogy costumes to the robo beast and samurai), emotes and powers. And in one instance a enhancement to the character creator (science pack - model/gender changing))"
I didn't go all out and do an "I quit, or cancel thread" but fact is, I did cancel my CO subscription rather fast for a MMO. Hell, I played AoC longer. There are some shady market practices going on here. First the character slots.. only 8 unless you pay for more. Purposely limiting the costume options so they can sell them later. And the retcon... as is described well in this article.
But its not just that, CO for me just turned out to be a rehashed City of Heroes/Villains.. with only very slight differences.. and the majority of the differences were negative not positive.
On a plus side, CO is a visually pleasant game. It just doesn't seem to hold any long term playability for me. Then again, theres nothing out there Ive found yet (besides a seriously overplayed wow) that does.
Cryptic has really played this one "dirty" and man, I am worried for the future release of STO if the way they handled CO is a sign of whats to come.
And I really love the dis-information spreadso quickly, the C-store is an extension to what you can earn in the game, each and every item has an in game attainable avenue
LOL. Hypocrite.
Can you lay out how I "obtain" the costume pieces & the emblems?
Not every, smart stuff.
Yeah seriously, they saved back all these cool costume pieces for the item shop. DON"T say this is like city of hero's because as a vet I would point out the fact they only released such promo's when a new version of the boxed game was released for the most part. Cryptics prices border on crazy and YES i bought the game and played through beta and part of my sub.
I don't care how many ways they say you can obtain a retcon. What they are doing is using retcons as a additional money making device which is shady. If you pvp you know just how bad the balance is and guess what? This simply allows the MIN/MAXERS a way to get their FOTM builds at a huge premium price wise for the company. Before you say but look at the free retcons! Yup tell me how many of those they release to you in the next few months. My bet would be on very few if any.
there have been 4 freetcons since launch
I think he means since the release of the retcon in the store....
1 (with the release of blood moon)
Ummmm, I think he means in a few months time...Not like....now.
then he can shut his pie hole until it's been a few months since C-store was updated, not a week.
I didn't go all out and do an "I quit, or cancel thread" but fact is, I did cancel my CO subscription rather fast for a MMO. Hell, I played AoC longer. There are some shady market practices going on here. First the character slots.. only 8 unless you pay for more. Purposely limiting the costume options so they can sell them later. And the retcon... as is described well in this article. But its not just that, CO for me just turned out to be a rehashed City of Heroes/Villains.. with only very slight differences.. and the majority of the differences were negative not positive. On a plus side, CO is a visually pleasant game. It just doesn't seem to hold any long term playability for me. Then again, theres nothing out there Ive found yet (besides a seriously overplayed wow) that does. Cryptic has really played this one "dirty" and man, I am worried for the future release of STO if the way they handled CO is a sign of whats to come.
"only 8?"
(or you know 16 if you signed up with a sub deal)
Last i checked CoH only gave you 8, Lotro, 6, The Realm and Ever quest 4, Wow? 6
I didn't go all out and do an "I quit, or cancel thread" but fact is, I did cancel my CO subscription rather fast for a MMO. Hell, I played AoC longer. There are some shady market practices going on here. First the character slots.. only 8 unless you pay for more. Purposely limiting the costume options so they can sell them later. And the retcon... as is described well in this article. But its not just that, CO for me just turned out to be a rehashed City of Heroes/Villains.. with only very slight differences.. and the majority of the differences were negative not positive. On a plus side, CO is a visually pleasant game. It just doesn't seem to hold any long term playability for me. Then again, theres nothing out there Ive found yet (besides a seriously overplayed wow) that does. Cryptic has really played this one "dirty" and man, I am worried for the future release of STO if the way they handled CO is a sign of whats to come.
"only 8?"
(or you know 16 if you signed up with a sub deal)
Last i checked CoH only gave you 8, Lotro, 6, The Realm and Ever quest 4, Wow? 6
Only 8 indeed.
I think your numbers are quite a bit off there. But hey... whateva.
I didn't go all out and do an "I quit, or cancel thread" but fact is, I did cancel my CO subscription rather fast for a MMO. Hell, I played AoC longer. There are some shady market practices going on here. First the character slots.. only 8 unless you pay for more. Purposely limiting the costume options so they can sell them later. And the retcon... as is described well in this article. But its not just that, CO for me just turned out to be a rehashed City of Heroes/Villains.. with only very slight differences.. and the majority of the differences were negative not positive. On a plus side, CO is a visually pleasant game. It just doesn't seem to hold any long term playability for me. Then again, theres nothing out there Ive found yet (besides a seriously overplayed wow) that does. Cryptic has really played this one "dirty" and man, I am worried for the future release of STO if the way they handled CO is a sign of whats to come.
"only 8?"
(or you know 16 if you signed up with a sub deal)
Last i checked CoH only gave you 8, Lotro, 6, The Realm and Ever quest 4, Wow? 6
Only 8 indeed.
I think your numbers are quite a bit off there. But hey... whateva.
oh then what are the numbers. No MMO i've played gives more then 8 character slots without some special hoops to jump through.
just checked
Lotro gives 5
+2 when then added 2 new classes
+2 if you take the siege of mirkwook offer.
So its base slots is 5
CO... 8
City of heroes gives you 8
+4 with city of villians
+1 as a vertran reward per year
Base 8
looking into WoW now..seems wow Now gives you 10, can't find the early days...i dont remember having 10 when made my night elf hunter...
Two examples: WoW = 40 max across servers, CoH I can't remember exactly what the max, but I remember having a lot more then 8 across multiple servers.
It wouldn't be an issue, if one of the major selling points of CO wasn't the character creation. But lets face it, little to no endgame, and Cryptic boasted over and over about their character creation.. which is GREAT btw.. I've never knocked it. But they intentionally changed their design from multiple servers, to one universe with multiple instances to create a artificial demand for additional slots.
LotRO has endgame from what I've heard... I only played it briefly so can't really say anything about it.
CoX has some endgame.. but still had alot of replayabilty with so many slots and potential for so many different character combos.
WoW has a ton of endgame, and allows for 40 characters total across realms, which honestly is overkill because character customization is not a selling point for the title.
I bought CO, and was satisfied for what I purchased it for... a one month title. As if it was a single player game, I would have completed content within that time regardless. But no... it is not worth a subscription, and what Cryptic is doing is milking the customer base for more money for features that they had readily available for the launch. Don't be fooled. Its marketing at the basics.
If your happy with shelling out more money for features that should have been included at cost.. good for you. But it is obviously shoddy marketing practice, not only double dipping into the consumers pockets, but actually triple with all the microtransactions. If people continue to support these practices, it will only get worse. The consumer base needs to make a stand and let the developers and those who fund them know that these practices will be looked down upon by the market in general. And that the consumers expect a far better product for their money.
/shrugs
Like I said earlier, if you don't mind dishing out the money.. good for you. If ya feel like giving it away, I'll be more then happy to link my paypal account for you to donate to at your pleasure.
/sigh I'll bite.. Two examples: WoW = 40 max across servers, CoH I can't remember exactly what the max, but I remember having a lot more then 8 across multiple servers. It wouldn't be an issue, if one of the major selling points of CO wasn't the character creation. But lets face it, little to no endgame, and Cryptic boasted over and over about their character creation.. which is GREAT btw.. I've never knocked it. But they intentionally changed their design from multiple servers, to one universe with multiple instances to create a artificial demand for additional slots. LotRO has endgame from what I've heard... I only played it briefly so can't really say anything about it. CoX has some endgame.. but still had alot of replayabilty with so many slots and potential for so many different character combos. WoW has a ton of endgame, and allows for 40 characters total across realms, which honestly is overkill because character customization is not a selling point for the title.
I bought CO, and was satisfied for what I purchased it for... a one month title. As if it was a single player game, I would have completed content within that time regardless. But no... it is not worth a subscription, and what Cryptic is doing is milking the customer base for more money for features that they had readily available for the launch. Don't be fooled. Its marketing at the basics.
If your happy with shelling out more money for features that should have been included at cost.. good for you. But it is obviously shoddy marketing practice, not only double dipping into the consumers pockets, but actually triple with all the microtransactions. If people continue to support these practices, it will only get worse. The consumer base needs to make a stand and let the developers and those who fund them know that these practices will be looked down upon by the market in general. And that the consumers expect a far better product for their money.
/shrugs Like I said earlier, if you don't mind dishing out the money.. good for you. If ya feel like giving it away, I'll be more then happy to link my paypal account for you to donate to at your pleasure.
so want a one shard world example?
Isn't that Eve?
don't they limit you to 1?
edit: 8 is a fair base. Trust me i have altist, and i only have 6 champions...
In CoX though i have 30. But i've had that game 5 years
WoW vanilla , was a max of 40, max lvl 60. I use to race a friend of mine to 60 on every new realm that popped up. The guy was a grinding beast and go 4 days strait without sleep. lol... but yeah. WoW right out of the gate offered that.
I didn't know they upped the max amount of characters to 50. Very cool. Maybe win the expansion comes out I'll go back, burnt out atm though. Guess playing since launch can do that to ya.
On topic, I like Champions Online a lot, other than the fact that MA is a giant turd sandwich spec. I guess Cryptic hates melee. Whatever.
If you don't agree with the cash shop stuff, don't spend money in the cash shop. Some one complained about costume stuff in the cash shop they can't get in the sub game. Seriously, are there not enough options in game for you? There are almost too many for me.
Angry about the cash shop retcon? Don't want to spend money getting your character build perfect? Fine. Then spend some time getting it right the first time by doing some research, or spend some time doing trial and error work.
Or, get a better job, so money is not an issue for you.
I'd love to have a Lamborghini Embolado. Unfortunately, I can't afford the price tag. I guess I'll have to continue to commute in my Ford F-150. Or maybe I could start a thread somewhere complaining about what a bunch of greedy bastards the Lamborghini company executives are. I could complain that they should charge the same price as what my truck cost, so if I wanted an Embolado, I could have one. Greedy *******.
Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. The cash shop is for people who have money to burn. The rest of us have to do things the old fashioned way. The Lamborghini is for people who have money to burn. The F-150 is for those of us who do things the old fashioned way.
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/sigh I'll bite.. Two examples: WoW = 40 max across servers, CoH I can't remember exactly what the max, but I remember having a lot more then 8 across multiple servers. It wouldn't be an issue, if one of the major selling points of CO wasn't the character creation. But lets face it, little to no endgame, and Cryptic boasted over and over about their character creation.. which is GREAT btw.. I've never knocked it. But they intentionally changed their design from multiple servers, to one universe with multiple instances to create a artificial demand for additional slots. LotRO has endgame from what I've heard... I only played it briefly so can't really say anything about it. CoX has some endgame.. but still had alot of replayabilty with so many slots and potential for so many different character combos. WoW has a ton of endgame, and allows for 40 characters total across realms, which honestly is overkill because character customization is not a selling point for the title.
I bought CO, and was satisfied for what I purchased it for... a one month title. As if it was a single player game, I would have completed content within that time regardless. But no... it is not worth a subscription, and what Cryptic is doing is milking the customer base for more money for features that they had readily available for the launch. Don't be fooled. Its marketing at the basics.
If your happy with shelling out more money for features that should have been included at cost.. good for you. But it is obviously shoddy marketing practice, not only double dipping into the consumers pockets, but actually triple with all the microtransactions. If people continue to support these practices, it will only get worse. The consumer base needs to make a stand and let the developers and those who fund them know that these practices will be looked down upon by the market in general. And that the consumers expect a far better product for their money.
/shrugs Like I said earlier, if you don't mind dishing out the money.. good for you. If ya feel like giving it away, I'll be more then happy to link my paypal account for you to donate to at your pleasure.
so want a one shard world example?
Isn't that Eve?
don't they limit you to 1?
edit: 8 is a fair base. Trust me i have altist, and i only have 6 champions...
In CoX though i have 30. But i've had that game 5 ye
8 characters would be more then fair IF Champions wasn't all about the customization.
Eve is a good game in its own right. And allows for tons of customization, but in all reality offers way more character slots in spirit then CO. Think about it. Since in Eve the ship is your avatar. How many ships can you train to fly?
Yeah, Eve is a good example of where Cryptic has gone wrong. Thank you.
but was it like that at Launch...thats the key, i don't recall a rule of 10 back when we didnt even have lvl 60
Honestly, I don't know. I started playing WoW after The Burning Crusade had been released. But, currently, afaik, it's 10 per server and 50 total. And... drumroll please... I won't be the least bit surprised if Blizzard introduces another microtransaction to allow you to have 20 characters per server and 100 total.
This is the direction MMOs and games in general are going. Companies want to charge more than the initial buy in fee. Games have been $50 for just about as long as I can remember. If they are finding ways to create new revenue streams, I'm fine with that, as long as they continue to produce new games. I'd rather they have varied price structures for those who can afford more and those who can afford less, then to have all games just continually go up in price. We could be up to $75.00 a game or more if they went that way.
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Seems to me a better business model would have been to offer RetCons for around $ 3-5 bucks each.
IMO more people would have used it then, making them more money. This price probably would not have pissed off so many people either, making them more money again with retained subs.
I just dunno what they could have been thinking.
I dont play CO atm, cancel after my 1st month was over, so i dont have a dog in this hunt.... but just sayin...
/sigh I'll bite.. Two examples: WoW = 40 max across servers, CoH I can't remember exactly what the max, but I remember having a lot more then 8 across multiple servers. It wouldn't be an issue, if one of the major selling points of CO wasn't the character creation. But lets face it, little to no endgame, and Cryptic boasted over and over about their character creation.. which is GREAT btw.. I've never knocked it. But they intentionally changed their design from multiple servers, to one universe with multiple instances to create a artificial demand for additional slots. LotRO has endgame from what I've heard... I only played it briefly so can't really say anything about it. CoX has some endgame.. but still had alot of replayabilty with so many slots and potential for so many different character combos. WoW has a ton of endgame, and allows for 40 characters total across realms, which honestly is overkill because character customization is not a selling point for the title.
I bought CO, and was satisfied for what I purchased it for... a one month title. As if it was a single player game, I would have completed content within that time regardless. But no... it is not worth a subscription, and what Cryptic is doing is milking the customer base for more money for features that they had readily available for the launch. Don't be fooled. Its marketing at the basics.
If your happy with shelling out more money for features that should have been included at cost.. good for you. But it is obviously shoddy marketing practice, not only double dipping into the consumers pockets, but actually triple with all the microtransactions. If people continue to support these practices, it will only get worse. The consumer base needs to make a stand and let the developers and those who fund them know that these practices will be looked down upon by the market in general. And that the consumers expect a far better product for their money.
/shrugs Like I said earlier, if you don't mind dishing out the money.. good for you. If ya feel like giving it away, I'll be more then happy to link my paypal account for you to donate to at your pleasure.
so want a one shard world example?
Isn't that Eve?
don't they limit you to 1?
edit: 8 is a fair base. Trust me i have altist, and i only have 6 champions...
In CoX though i have 30. But i've had that game 5 ye
8 characters would be more then fair IF Champions wasn't all about the customization.
Eve is a good game in its own right. And allows for tons of customization, but in all reality offers way more character slots in spirit then CO. Think about it. Since in Eve the ship is your avatar. How many ships can you train to fly?
Yeah, Eve is a good example of where Cryptic has gone wrong. Thank you.
considering each charater gets 4 costume slots which DEFINE YOUR LOOK
by your logic we really get
32 "character" slots. we just can only have 8 "custom powersets" among those "32 characters"
On topic, I like Champions Online a lot, other than the fact that MA is a giant turd sandwich spec. I guess Cryptic hates melee. Whatever. If you don't agree with the cash shop stuff, don't spend money in the cash shop. Some one complained about costume stuff in the cash shop they can't get in the sub game. Seriously, are there not enough options in game for you? There are almost too many for me. Angry about the cash shop retcon? Don't want to spend money getting your character build perfect? Fine. Then spend some time getting it right the first time by doing some research, or spend some time doing trial and error work. Or, get a better job, so money is not an issue for you. I'd love to have a Lamborghini Embolado. Unfortunately, I can't afford the price tag. I guess I'll have to continue to commute in my Ford F-150. Or maybe I could start a thread somewhere complaining about what a bunch of greedy bastards the Lamborghini company executives are. I could complain that they should charge the same price as what my truck cost, so if I wanted an Embolado, I could have one. Greedy *******. Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. The cash shop is for people who have money to burn. The rest of us have to do things the old fashioned way. The Lamborghini is for people who have money to burn. The F-150 is for those of us who do things the old fashioned way.
Good points. But I have two questions for you.
If you went to buy a new F150, knowing what you know today. Went to RICART Ford , or some other dealership to buy it. And found that the new F150, had the interior of a festiva, and the engine of an escort. For the same price you paid for your last one. Would you be a happy consumer and buy it?
No.. you wouldn't. You'd walk away upset that they wasted your time.
Why then would you accept this same business practice from a software developer? The principle is the same.
Too many people have grown apathetic. To everything, marketing, life in general etc. Its a truly sad state that we have let our expected standards drop to.
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I bought the 6-month sub and just can't bring myself to log into this game anymore. I logged in the other day just to try out the Bloodmoon Event, hoping it would renew my hope in this product....no luck. Bloodmoon is easily the WORST event in my MMO history. CoX trick or treating is better than that crap.
As far as the retcons in the store, before it was done there was a thread on the official forum actually asking for this. So, I can't fault Cryptic for adding something to the store that the players actually asked for. There are a lot more stuff I can fault them for, though. Lack of content is my biggest complaint.
I have since went back to LotRO.
When I went back for the bloodmoon event , it seems that many people left the SG I was in, and the few that were left were discussing how horrible the Bloodmoon event is. The devs need to do something to save this game.
So what? How does it make it okay that the content that you can grind for is also possible to buy for RL money?
I paid a monthly subscription to the game and as such will not accept that others can buy shortcuts. That is not OK in my book.
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I think the sad thruth is that most of the voices being heard are the nay sayers, not because they are in the majority but because they are just naturally more outspoken. I for one like the game. I like the new event as well, and I understand it to be an event, not an expansion. I think that it is infinitely more fun than the CoH Halloween event. And, as mentioned in the OP, many of the problems that have arisen have already been addressed. Keep in mind this game is just under two months old. I do think it will get better with time and I'm happy to stick with it.
LOL. Hypocrite.
Can you lay out how I "obtain" the costume pieces & the emblems?
Not every, smart stuff.
Yeah seriously, they saved back all these cool costume pieces for the item shop. DON"T say this is like city of hero's because as a vet I would point out the fact they only released such promo's when a new version of the boxed game was released for the most part. Cryptics prices border on crazy and YES i bought the game and played through beta and part of my sub.
I don't care how many ways they say you can obtain a retcon. What they are doing is using retcons as a additional money making device which is shady. If you pvp you know just how bad the balance is and guess what? This simply allows the MIN/MAXERS a way to get their FOTM builds at a huge premium price wise for the company. Before you say but look at the free retcons! Yup tell me how many of those they release to you in the next few months. My bet would be on very few if any.
there have been 4 freetcons since launch
How many since they have been in the cash shop?
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LOL. Hypocrite.
Can you lay out how I "obtain" the costume pieces & the emblems?
Not every, smart stuff.
Yeah seriously, they saved back all these cool costume pieces for the item shop. DON"T say this is like city of hero's because as a vet I would point out the fact they only released such promo's when a new version of the boxed game was released for the most part. Cryptics prices border on crazy and YES i bought the game and played through beta and part of my sub.
I don't care how many ways they say you can obtain a retcon. What they are doing is using retcons as a additional money making device which is shady. If you pvp you know just how bad the balance is and guess what? This simply allows the MIN/MAXERS a way to get their FOTM builds at a huge premium price wise for the company. Before you say but look at the free retcons! Yup tell me how many of those they release to you in the next few months. My bet would be on very few if any.
there have been 4 freetcons since launch
I think he means since the release of the retcon in the store....
LOL. Hypocrite.
Can you lay out how I "obtain" the costume pieces & the emblems?
Not every, smart stuff.
Yeah seriously, they saved back all these cool costume pieces for the item shop. DON"T say this is like city of hero's because as a vet I would point out the fact they only released such promo's when a new version of the boxed game was released for the most part. Cryptics prices border on crazy and YES i bought the game and played through beta and part of my sub.
I don't care how many ways they say you can obtain a retcon. What they are doing is using retcons as a additional money making device which is shady. If you pvp you know just how bad the balance is and guess what? This simply allows the MIN/MAXERS a way to get their FOTM builds at a huge premium price wise for the company. Before you say but look at the free retcons! Yup tell me how many of those they release to you in the next few months. My bet would be on very few if any.
there have been 4 freetcons since launch
I think he means since the release of the retcon in the store....
1 (with the release of blood moon)
LOL. Hypocrite.
Can you lay out how I "obtain" the costume pieces & the emblems?
Not every, smart stuff.
Yeah seriously, they saved back all these cool costume pieces for the item shop. DON"T say this is like city of hero's because as a vet I would point out the fact they only released such promo's when a new version of the boxed game was released for the most part. Cryptics prices border on crazy and YES i bought the game and played through beta and part of my sub.
I don't care how many ways they say you can obtain a retcon. What they are doing is using retcons as a additional money making device which is shady. If you pvp you know just how bad the balance is and guess what? This simply allows the MIN/MAXERS a way to get their FOTM builds at a huge premium price wise for the company. Before you say but look at the free retcons! Yup tell me how many of those they release to you in the next few months. My bet would be on very few if any.
there have been 4 freetcons since launch
I think he means since the release of the retcon in the store....
1 (with the release of blood moon)
Ummmm, I think he means in a few months time...Not like....now.
and those of you saying "coh has no store only costumes" i counter.
"no they have worse. Buyable jetpacks on a 30 day timer. 'Origin' packs that give costumes of a lower quality then the Co 'Epic' costumes (serious compare The Sciece or Technlogy costumes to the robo beast and samurai), emotes and powers. And in one instance a enhancement to the character creator (science pack - model/gender changing))"
I didn't go all out and do an "I quit, or cancel thread" but fact is, I did cancel my CO subscription rather fast for a MMO. Hell, I played AoC longer. There are some shady market practices going on here. First the character slots.. only 8 unless you pay for more. Purposely limiting the costume options so they can sell them later. And the retcon... as is described well in this article.
But its not just that, CO for me just turned out to be a rehashed City of Heroes/Villains.. with only very slight differences.. and the majority of the differences were negative not positive.
On a plus side, CO is a visually pleasant game. It just doesn't seem to hold any long term playability for me. Then again, theres nothing out there Ive found yet (besides a seriously overplayed wow) that does.
Cryptic has really played this one "dirty" and man, I am worried for the future release of STO if the way they handled CO is a sign of whats to come.
LOL. Hypocrite.
Can you lay out how I "obtain" the costume pieces & the emblems?
Not every, smart stuff.
Yeah seriously, they saved back all these cool costume pieces for the item shop. DON"T say this is like city of hero's because as a vet I would point out the fact they only released such promo's when a new version of the boxed game was released for the most part. Cryptics prices border on crazy and YES i bought the game and played through beta and part of my sub.
I don't care how many ways they say you can obtain a retcon. What they are doing is using retcons as a additional money making device which is shady. If you pvp you know just how bad the balance is and guess what? This simply allows the MIN/MAXERS a way to get their FOTM builds at a huge premium price wise for the company. Before you say but look at the free retcons! Yup tell me how many of those they release to you in the next few months. My bet would be on very few if any.
there have been 4 freetcons since launch
I think he means since the release of the retcon in the store....
1 (with the release of blood moon)
Ummmm, I think he means in a few months time...Not like....now.
then he can shut his pie hole until it's been a few months since C-store was updated, not a week.
C store update 10/19
blood moon live 10/27
freespect awared with blood moon
Current date 10/30
so shut yer damn pie hole if you need "months"
"only 8?"
(or you know 16 if you signed up with a sub deal)
Last i checked CoH only gave you 8, Lotro, 6, The Realm and Ever quest 4, Wow? 6
Only 8 indeed.
"only 8?"
(or you know 16 if you signed up with a sub deal)
Last i checked CoH only gave you 8, Lotro, 6, The Realm and Ever quest 4, Wow? 6
Only 8 indeed.
I think your numbers are quite a bit off there. But hey... whateva.
"only 8?"
(or you know 16 if you signed up with a sub deal)
Last i checked CoH only gave you 8, Lotro, 6, The Realm and Ever quest 4, Wow? 6
Only 8 indeed.
I think your numbers are quite a bit off there. But hey... whateva.
oh then what are the numbers. No MMO i've played gives more then 8 character slots without some special hoops to jump through.
just checked
Lotro gives 5
+2 when then added 2 new classes
+2 if you take the siege of mirkwook offer.
So its base slots is 5
CO... 8
City of heroes gives you 8
+4 with city of villians
+1 as a vertran reward per year
Base 8
looking into WoW now..seems wow Now gives you 10, can't find the early days...i dont remember having 10 when made my night elf hunter...
/sigh I'll bite..
Two examples: WoW = 40 max across servers, CoH I can't remember exactly what the max, but I remember having a lot more then 8 across multiple servers.
It wouldn't be an issue, if one of the major selling points of CO wasn't the character creation. But lets face it, little to no endgame, and Cryptic boasted over and over about their character creation.. which is GREAT btw.. I've never knocked it. But they intentionally changed their design from multiple servers, to one universe with multiple instances to create a artificial demand for additional slots.
LotRO has endgame from what I've heard... I only played it briefly so can't really say anything about it.
CoX has some endgame.. but still had alot of replayabilty with so many slots and potential for so many different character combos.
WoW has a ton of endgame, and allows for 40 characters total across realms, which honestly is overkill because character customization is not a selling point for the title.
I bought CO, and was satisfied for what I purchased it for... a one month title. As if it was a single player game, I would have completed content within that time regardless. But no... it is not worth a subscription, and what Cryptic is doing is milking the customer base for more money for features that they had readily available for the launch. Don't be fooled. Its marketing at the basics.
If your happy with shelling out more money for features that should have been included at cost.. good for you. But it is obviously shoddy marketing practice, not only double dipping into the consumers pockets, but actually triple with all the microtransactions. If people continue to support these practices, it will only get worse. The consumer base needs to make a stand and let the developers and those who fund them know that these practices will be looked down upon by the market in general. And that the consumers expect a far better product for their money.
/shrugs
Like I said earlier, if you don't mind dishing out the money.. good for you. If ya feel like giving it away, I'll be more then happy to link my paypal account for you to donate to at your pleasure.
10 per server. 50 total.
Playing | GW2
Wanting | Pantheon
Watching | Crowfall
Retired | WAR, Cabal, MO, CO, SHK, WoW, FFXIV: ARR
10 per server. 50 total.
but was it like that at Launch...thats the key, i don't recall a rule of 10 back when we didnt even have lvl 60
so want a one shard world example?
Isn't that Eve?
don't they limit you to 1?
edit: 8 is a fair base. Trust me i have altist, and i only have 6 champions...
In CoX though i have 30. But i've had that game 5 years
i checked: Eve gives 3 (bit did it always?)
WoW vanilla , was a max of 40, max lvl 60. I use to race a friend of mine to 60 on every new realm that popped up. The guy was a grinding beast and go 4 days strait without sleep. lol... but yeah. WoW right out of the gate offered that.
I didn't know they upped the max amount of characters to 50. Very cool. Maybe win the expansion comes out I'll go back, burnt out atm though. Guess playing since launch can do that to ya.
On topic, I like Champions Online a lot, other than the fact that MA is a giant turd sandwich spec. I guess Cryptic hates melee. Whatever.
If you don't agree with the cash shop stuff, don't spend money in the cash shop. Some one complained about costume stuff in the cash shop they can't get in the sub game. Seriously, are there not enough options in game for you? There are almost too many for me.
Angry about the cash shop retcon? Don't want to spend money getting your character build perfect? Fine. Then spend some time getting it right the first time by doing some research, or spend some time doing trial and error work.
Or, get a better job, so money is not an issue for you.
I'd love to have a Lamborghini Embolado. Unfortunately, I can't afford the price tag. I guess I'll have to continue to commute in my Ford F-150. Or maybe I could start a thread somewhere complaining about what a bunch of greedy bastards the Lamborghini company executives are. I could complain that they should charge the same price as what my truck cost, so if I wanted an Embolado, I could have one. Greedy *******.
Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. The cash shop is for people who have money to burn. The rest of us have to do things the old fashioned way. The Lamborghini is for people who have money to burn. The F-150 is for those of us who do things the old fashioned way.
Playing | GW2
Wanting | Pantheon
Watching | Crowfall
Retired | WAR, Cabal, MO, CO, SHK, WoW, FFXIV: ARR
so want a one shard world example?
Isn't that Eve?
don't they limit you to 1?
edit: 8 is a fair base. Trust me i have altist, and i only have 6 champions...
In CoX though i have 30. But i've had that game 5 ye
8 characters would be more then fair IF Champions wasn't all about the customization.
Eve is a good game in its own right. And allows for tons of customization, but in all reality offers way more character slots in spirit then CO. Think about it. Since in Eve the ship is your avatar. How many ships can you train to fly?
Yeah, Eve is a good example of where Cryptic has gone wrong. Thank you.
but was it like that at Launch...thats the key, i don't recall a rule of 10 back when we didnt even have lvl 60
Honestly, I don't know. I started playing WoW after The Burning Crusade had been released. But, currently, afaik, it's 10 per server and 50 total. And... drumroll please... I won't be the least bit surprised if Blizzard introduces another microtransaction to allow you to have 20 characters per server and 100 total.
This is the direction MMOs and games in general are going. Companies want to charge more than the initial buy in fee. Games have been $50 for just about as long as I can remember. If they are finding ways to create new revenue streams, I'm fine with that, as long as they continue to produce new games. I'd rather they have varied price structures for those who can afford more and those who can afford less, then to have all games just continually go up in price. We could be up to $75.00 a game or more if they went that way.
Playing | GW2
Wanting | Pantheon
Watching | Crowfall
Retired | WAR, Cabal, MO, CO, SHK, WoW, FFXIV: ARR
Seems to me a better business model would have been to offer RetCons for around $ 3-5 bucks each.
IMO more people would have used it then, making them more money. This price probably would not have pissed off so many people either, making them more money again with retained subs.
I just dunno what they could have been thinking.
I dont play CO atm, cancel after my 1st month was over, so i dont have a dog in this hunt.... but just sayin...
so want a one shard world example?
Isn't that Eve?
don't they limit you to 1?
edit: 8 is a fair base. Trust me i have altist, and i only have 6 champions...
In CoX though i have 30. But i've had that game 5 ye
8 characters would be more then fair IF Champions wasn't all about the customization.
Eve is a good game in its own right. And allows for tons of customization, but in all reality offers way more character slots in spirit then CO. Think about it. Since in Eve the ship is your avatar. How many ships can you train to fly?
Yeah, Eve is a good example of where Cryptic has gone wrong. Thank you.
considering each charater gets 4 costume slots which DEFINE YOUR LOOK
by your logic we really get
32 "character" slots. we just can only have 8 "custom powersets" among those "32 characters"
Good points. But I have two questions for you.
If you went to buy a new F150, knowing what you know today. Went to RICART Ford , or some other dealership to buy it. And found that the new F150, had the interior of a festiva, and the engine of an escort. For the same price you paid for your last one. Would you be a happy consumer and buy it?
No.. you wouldn't. You'd walk away upset that they wasted your time.
Why then would you accept this same business practice from a software developer? The principle is the same.
Too many people have grown apathetic. To everything, marketing, life in general etc. Its a truly sad state that we have let our expected standards drop to.