Honestly? You're pathetic... It's two pets... Not armor and XP boosts...
You're naive
It's been a slippery slope for this game, and we all knew it was a matter of time. After Activision's acquisition you could clearly see the game was going to be trashed and RMTs, cashgrabs, and in-game changes would come.
I love all the fanbois: "that will never happen" It's happening, don't be surprised when they start offering armor for cash..
Glad I left that sinking ship.
Haven't you heard ? it is ok for Blizzard to have a shop but not anyone else ? Because WoW represents progress in the mmo genre and anyone who dares mock them is a mmo hater and you will be assaulted to death by cabbages.
Honestly? You're pathetic... It's two pets... Not armor and XP boosts...
You're naive
It's been a slippery slope for this game, and we all knew it was a matter of time. After Activision's acquisition you could clearly see the game was going to be trashed and RMTs, cashgrabs, and in-game changes would come.
I love all the fanbois: "that will never happen" It's happening, don't be surprised when they start offering armor for cash..
Glad I left that sinking ship.
And technically your argument is a slippery slope. Slippery slope arguments cannot be proven and there really is no way to know where its going. Blizzard has actually been UP FRONT with the playerbase and said it is something they have considered so I respect their honesty. No where did they say "RMT will never happen" and then turn around and do it (like other companies have done).
So for now, I trust Blizzard when they say its for cosmetic or vanity items only (much like the trading card game items) and I will continue to do so until I have reason not too. I will not enter into a slippery slope argument just because of what other companies have done.
And to be honest, unless you play WOW, it really doesn't matter anyway.
Right, just like you will "never" be able to change from a PvE - PvP server or you will "never" be able to change factions.
Honestly? You're pathetic... It's two pets... Not armor and XP boosts...
You're naive
It's been a slippery slope for this game, and we all knew it was a matter of time. After Activision's acquisition you could clearly see the game was going to be trashed and RMTs, cashgrabs, and in-game changes would come.
I love all the fanbois: "that will never happen" It's happening, don't be surprised when they start offering armor for cash..
Glad I left that sinking ship.
He's not naive, you're just irrational. Blizzard will never offer an item that gives benefits for real life money. Even the Collector's editions always come with non-game-impacting items.
It's childish to care about RMT when it has no impact on ANYONE's gameplay. If you want it you buy it, if you don't then you don't.
You don't get into guilds based on your companion pets, you don't down bosses because of a companion pet, you don't win pvp because of a companion pet.
Grow the hell up kids, tired of you teenagers whining. Get a job.
Edit: For the poster above me, link proof they said never to both of those. Official Blue responses or website news please, heck even an interview with a dev. I'll wait.
I support games selling vanity items. It draws more people into the game.
I don't think this is true either. If anything, this will drive people away from the game.
So how does adding RMT to P2P make sense? As Mardy pointed out, the people who buy those items make up for the people who leave by a considerable margin. I know who she's talking about when she mentioned someone buying 300$ worth of LoN cards to get a mount.
This strategy works because the rich are rich and the poor are poor, the people who get upset about this are not only people who can see the issues with this, but also just people who can't afford these items or are unwilling to spend more money on the game. That leaves people who are willing and are able to afford these items, more than enough to compensate for anyone leaving.
But for this to work, you can't just sell one item, you need to sell a plethora of items, because once the first item is bought, your store stops selling, so Blizzard will need to create more items until eventually they become better and more attractive. The slippery slope is in sight and people can see it.
I don't see how giving people ways to customize their characters for a little money would be driving them away. People already pay for racial changes, sex changes, and haircuts, why not add in clothes and pets? I know you guys are all big bad scary gamers, but you aren't everyone who plays video games. I am entitled to my opinion, and honestly for all the time I spend raiding, sometimes it is enough to just sit and play dress up with my toons and making them look pretty.
Microtransactions aren't going away. I have not and will not support an MMO that provides a way to buy your way to the top of a game. But I will certainly support the sale of items that allow me to better customize my toon.
So paying customers should be denied customization choices? How bout forcing everyone that doesnt RMT to wear nothing but old ragged underwear...
Design your character properly from the get go? They didn't even have to offer services like this in the first place.
Did you ever look at what you are actually paying for by the way?
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
The only thing that is disgusting abou the idea is Blizzard is only giving 50% to Make A Wish Foundation. If they really cared and if it wasn't about profit for them, they'd give 100% of the funds raised away. As it stands, it's just another Blizzard money grab. Very poor taste, Blizzard, very poor taste.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
Honestly? You're pathetic... It's two pets... Not armor and XP boosts...
You're naive
It's been a slippery slope for this game, and we all knew it was a matter of time. After Activision's acquisition you could clearly see the game was going to be trashed and RMTs, cashgrabs, and in-game changes would come.
I love all the fanbois: "that will never happen" It's happening, don't be surprised when they start offering armor for cash..
Glad I left that sinking ship.
And technically your argument is a slippery slope and one of the worst kinds of logical arguments. Slippery slope arguments cannot be proven and there really is no way to know where its going. Blizzard has actually been UP FRONT with the playerbase and said it is something they have considered so I respect their honesty. No where did they say "RMT will never happen" and then turn around and do it (like other companies have done).
So for now, I trust Blizzard when they say its for cosmetic or vanity items only (much like the trading card game items) and I will continue to do so until I have reason not too. I will not enter into a slippery slope argument just because of what other companies have done.
And to be honest, unless you play WOW, it really doesn't matter anyway.
You should really pay more attention.
Server transfers wont happen.....
25 dollar server transfers available
NameChange won't happen
10 dollar namechange now available
Everybody will be on equal footing.......-Blizzard
RAF speed leveling and free levels available
Pve to PvP transfers aren't something we're looking to ever do -Blizzard
Pve to PvP transfers now available 25 bucks.....
RMT will never happen in Blizzard games
New Pet store open, purchase a pet
Race change won't happen
Race changes available 25 bucks
Faction change won't happen, that would ruin the integrity
Faction change available 25 bucks
Lol, Blizzard will never sell items or gear tho......
..........
How much does it take for the downies to really wake up?
Not a big deal really, also when blizzard states what they state, they tend to say, "we aren't doing it now but it may happen in the future"
Blizz never promises anything for or against, just saying.
Really, its not that big a deal, i think people are just bored today or something, actually i'm seeing more complaining about it here then the actual WoW forums.
I do love the name calling and such because some of us won't jump on the Doom and Gloom train.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
The only thing that is disgusting abou the idea is Blizzard is only giving 50% to Make A Wish Foundation. If they really cared and if it wasn't about profit for them, they'd give 100% of the funds raised away. As it stands, it's just another Blizzard money grab. Very poor taste, Blizzard, very poor taste.
They didn't have to give anything in the first place.
How many here donate to these causes out of the goodness of their heart?
Least blizzard is doing something, i doubt anyone here does anything.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
lol i love this i actually said this would happen a little over a week ago . in my opening post on this thread about the possibility of class changes i suggest Blizzard will open some type of item shop for cosmetic items such as exotic mounts , pets etc .
and here it is happening . hate to say to all the wow fanbois i told you so but i did.
even i am a little shocked how fast they made my forcast a reality .
I support games selling vanity items. It draws more people into the game.
I don't think this is true either. If anything, this will drive people away from the game.
So how does adding RMT to P2P make sense? As Mardy pointed out, the people who buy those items make up for the people who leave by a considerable margin. I know who she's talking about when she mentioned someone buying 300$ worth of LoN cards to get a mount.
This strategy works because the rich are rich and the poor are poor, the people who get upset about this are not only people who can see the issues with this, but also just people who can't afford these items or are unwilling to spend more money on the game. That leaves people who are willing and are able to afford these items, more than enough to compensate for anyone leaving.
But for this to work, you can't just sell one item, you need to sell a plethora of items, because once the first item is bought, your store stops selling, so Blizzard will need to create more items until eventually they become better and more attractive. The slippery slope is in sight and people can see it.
I don't see how giving people ways to customize their characters for a little money would be driving them away. People already pay for racial changes, sex changes, and haircuts, why not add in clothes and pets? I know you guys are all big bad scary gamers, but you aren't everyone who plays video games. I am entitled to my opinion, and honestly for all the time I spend raiding, sometimes it is enough to just sit and play dress up with my toons and making them look pretty.
Microtransactions aren't going away. I have not and will not support an MMO that provides a way to buy your way to the top of a game. But I will certainly support the sale of items that allow me to better customize my toon.
So paying customers should be denied customization choices? How bout forcing everyone that doesnt RMT to wear nothing but old ragged underwear...
Nowhere in my argument did I say paying customers should be denied customization choices. I stated that I support the sale of items that allow me to 'better' customize my toon. Every game comes with a standard amount of customization. I enjoy that aspect of the game. I'm willing to pay extra for it. That's my point.
Players in games with widespread use of such systems are subject to social isolation and discrimination and ive seen where this leads to(never been my problem, i always know to get a pure black outfit). Its bad enough in f2ps already, bringing this to p2p is practically giving away the game to wallet races over wardrobe. This is a more important part of gameplay than you might think and even if it wasnt why should people pay extra to enjoy some games features? How about we make crafting RMT only? It doesnt directly impact either PvP or PvE gameplay. How bout the AH or general chat becomes reserved for premium subscribers?
The second you say you're willing to pay extra for something is the very same second youre putting your foot in your mouth. I know people who spend upwards of $50 a month in fashion on f2ps. I dont care if youre filthy rich thats throwing good money away.
Edit; And to those who think this doesnt affect gameplay guess again. Wardrobe can be used to hide your class/level and in some games it can even affect targetting.
Just to make things clear... I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
So paying customers should be denied customization choices? How bout forcing everyone that doesnt RMT to wear nothing but old ragged underwear...
Nowhere in my argument did I say paying customers should be denied customization choices. I stated that I support the sale of items that allow me to 'better' customize my toon. Every game comes with a standard amount of customization. I enjoy that aspect of the game. I'm willing to pay extra for it. That's my point.
Players in games with widespread use of such systems are subject to social isolation and discrimination and ive seen where this leads to(never been my problem, i always know to get a pure black outfit). Its bad enough in f2ps already, bringing this to p2p is practically giving away the game to wallet races over wardrobe. This is a more important part of gameplay than you might think and even if it wasnt why should people pay extra to enjoy some games features? How about we make crafting RMT only? It doesnt directly impact either PvP or PvE gameplay. How bout the AH or general chat becomes reserved for premium subscribers?
The second you say you're saying you're willing to pay extra for something is the very same second youre shooting yourself in the foot. I know people who spend upwards of $50 a month in fashion on f2ps. I dont care if youre filthy rich thats throwing good money away.
All of this is simply your opinion. You don't get to decide what I should be willing to pay for or not pay for in a game. I am a big girl and capable of making those decisions for myself, daddy. :P Just because you don't approve, doesn't mean I am wrong. I'm a paying customer, I have every right to spend a little extra on customizing my toons if I want to. I shouldn't have to, which is the point of making it an optional thing. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
So paying customers should be denied customization choices? How bout forcing everyone that doesnt RMT to wear nothing but old ragged underwear...
Nowhere in my argument did I say paying customers should be denied customization choices. I stated that I support the sale of items that allow me to 'better' customize my toon. Every game comes with a standard amount of customization. I enjoy that aspect of the game. I'm willing to pay extra for it. That's my point.
Players in games with widespread use of such systems are subject to social isolation and discrimination and ive seen where this leads to(never been my problem, i always know to get a pure black outfit). Its bad enough in f2ps already, bringing this to p2p is practically giving away the game to wallet races over wardrobe. This is a more important part of gameplay than you might think and even if it wasnt why should people pay extra to enjoy some games features? How about we make crafting RMT only? It doesnt directly impact either PvP or PvE gameplay. How bout the AH or general chat becomes reserved for premium subscribers?
The second you say you're saying you're willing to pay extra for something is the very same second youre shooting yourself in the foot. I know people who spend upwards of $50 a month in fashion on f2ps. I dont care if youre filthy rich thats throwing good money away.
All of this is simply your opinion. You don't get to decide what I should be willing to pay for or not pay for in a game. I am a big girl and capable of making those decisions for myself, daddy. :P Just because you don't approve, doesn't mean I am wrong. I'm a paying customer, I have every right to spend a little extra on customizing my toons if I want to. I shouldn't have to, which is the point of making it an optional thing. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
No, i dont get to decide what you may spend your money on. But i do get to decide what to do with mine. Its the reason i dont play EVE, p2p + RMT is the worst model ive ever seen and i will not support it out of my own pocket (not that i support WOW anyway). And trust me, its not a little extra.
Just to make things clear... I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
So paying customers should be denied customization choices? How bout forcing everyone that doesnt RMT to wear nothing but old ragged underwear...
Nowhere in my argument did I say paying customers should be denied customization choices. I stated that I support the sale of items that allow me to 'better' customize my toon. Every game comes with a standard amount of customization. I enjoy that aspect of the game. I'm willing to pay extra for it. That's my point.
Players in games with widespread use of such systems are subject to social isolation and discrimination and ive seen where this leads to(never been my problem, i always know to get a pure black outfit). Its bad enough in f2ps already, bringing this to p2p is practically giving away the game to wallet races over wardrobe. This is a more important part of gameplay than you might think and even if it wasnt why should people pay extra to enjoy some games features? How about we make crafting RMT only? It doesnt directly impact either PvP or PvE gameplay. How bout the AH or general chat becomes reserved for premium subscribers?
The second you say you're saying you're willing to pay extra for something is the very same second youre shooting yourself in the foot. I know people who spend upwards of $50 a month in fashion on f2ps. I dont care if youre filthy rich thats throwing good money away.
All of this is simply your opinion. You don't get to decide what I should be willing to pay for or not pay for in a game. I am a big girl and capable of making those decisions for myself, daddy. :P Just because you don't approve, doesn't mean I am wrong. I'm a paying customer, I have every right to spend a little extra on customizing my toons if I want to. I shouldn't have to, which is the point of making it an optional thing. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
Well said =]
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
I seem to recall this conversation on the CO forums a while back. It's funny how it's on the WoW forum now. In that thread, people from WoW claimed that it didn't have an RMT, that the server transfers and beauty shop can't be considered RMT. Now, they are claiming that it has had it all along. Weird really, how the conversation changes depending on what game you speak of.
I also recall that CO only started with pets. Now, it offers complete respecs for 12.50$. Wonder how long it will take WoW to add those 20% xp boots, or that 10% damage chest piece. Just a thought....
Honestly? You're pathetic... It's two pets... Not armor and XP boosts...
You're naive
It's been a slippery slope for this game, and we all knew it was a matter of time. After Activision's acquisition you could clearly see the game was going to be trashed and RMTs, cashgrabs, and in-game changes would come.
I love all the fanbois: "that will never happen" It's happening, don't be surprised when they start offering armor for cash..
Glad I left that sinking ship.
And technically your argument is a slippery slope and one of the worst kinds of logical arguments. Slippery slope arguments cannot be proven and there really is no way to know where its going. Blizzard has actually been UP FRONT with the playerbase and said it is something they have considered so I respect their honesty. No where did they say "RMT will never happen" and then turn around and do it (like other companies have done).
So for now, I trust Blizzard when they say its for cosmetic or vanity items only (much like the trading card game items) and I will continue to do so until I have reason not too. I will not enter into a slippery slope argument just because of what other companies have done.
And to be honest, unless you play WOW, it really doesn't matter anyway.
You should really pay more attention.
Server transfers wont happen.....
25 dollar server transfers available
NameChange won't happen
10 dollar namechange now available
Everybody will be on equal footing.......-Blizzard
RAF speed leveling and free levels available
Pve to PvP transfers aren't something we're looking to ever do -Blizzard
Pve to PvP transfers now available 25 bucks.....
RMT will never happen in Blizzard games
New Pet store open, purchase a pet
Race change won't happen
Race changes available 25 bucks
Faction change won't happen, that would ruin the integrity
Faction change available 25 bucks
Lol, Blizzard will never sell items or gear tho......
..........
How much does it take for the downies to really wake up?
Actually, they NEVER said RMT won't happen....just the opposite. They said it was something they would consider.
And to be honest with you, nothing you listed there has a direct impact on gameplay and everything was asked for by the community. Again we get back to those who play WOW and those who don't. The only ones complaining, for the most part, do not and will not play WOW again so it doesn't matter. I, for one, have been quite happy with the options and the changes. And yes it is an OPTION. it is optional. You have the choice to use the services or not. Funny, throughout all of those changes and options, Blizzard's sub numbers did what....oh yeah, that's right, they increased. So yeah I do not think those were major issues.
The only people who don't like it, for the most part, already hate Blizzard and hate WOW and now just have more things to whine and complain about.
actually faction changes do have an impact on gameplay . because on some servers people in the alliance have got fed up with being out numberd by the horde so have changed and how the alliance are they even more outnumbered.
i dont think its people who just done like warcraft dont like whats happening here either .
its people who love it or used to love it .
its a slippery slope which bliz are going down . and all but the most rabid fanbois are starting to realise this .
Edit; And to those who think this doesnt affect gameplay guess again. Wardrobe can be used to hide your class/level and in some games it can even affect targetting.
lol oh noes guys! Watch out for the girl in the spring dress! We don't know what class she is, and we know she isn't wearing armor because she is wearing vanity clothes, but be afraid, be very afraid!!!
I really don't get the people who use RMT. To me it's like buying a game for $50 you have already beaten. Aren't console games for instant gratification already anyways?
Some people actually enjoy collecting fluff items like this.
Just because it doesn't directly affect the stats on YOUR sheet, doesn't mean it isn't important to anyone.
Honestly, anyone who thinks this will only be limited to a few fluff items here and there is in for a real eye opener when it finally crosses your threshold.
Companies are removing content like this to make extra money for no extra effort. Any company willing to sell you in game items is willing to go all the way to game affecting items. They just need you to roll over and get used to the idea. They will push the limits more and more, because they all know power items will see more than fluff items.
If you think I am wrong, hope over to the SOE forums for a taste of the future.
Honestly? You're pathetic... It's two pets... Not armor and XP boosts...
You're naive
It's been a slippery slope for this game, and we all knew it was a matter of time. After Activision's acquisition you could clearly see the game was going to be trashed and RMTs, cashgrabs, and in-game changes would come.
I love all the fanbois: "that will never happen" It's happening, don't be surprised when they start offering armor for cash..
Glad I left that sinking ship.
And technically your argument is a slippery slope and one of the worst kinds of logical arguments. Slippery slope arguments cannot be proven and there really is no way to know where its going. Blizzard has actually been UP FRONT with the playerbase and said it is something they have considered so I respect their honesty. No where did they say "RMT will never happen" and then turn around and do it (like other companies have done).
So for now, I trust Blizzard when they say its for cosmetic or vanity items only (much like the trading card game items) and I will continue to do so until I have reason not too. I will not enter into a slippery slope argument just because of what other companies have done.
And to be honest, unless you play WOW, it really doesn't matter anyway.
You should really pay more attention.
Server transfers wont happen.....
25 dollar server transfers available
NameChange won't happen
10 dollar namechange now available
Everybody will be on equal footing.......-Blizzard
RAF speed leveling and free levels available
Pve to PvP transfers aren't something we're looking to ever do -Blizzard
Pve to PvP transfers now available 25 bucks.....
RMT will never happen in Blizzard games
New Pet store open, purchase a pet
Race change won't happen
Race changes available 25 bucks
Faction change won't happen, that would ruin the integrity
Faction change available 25 bucks
Lol, Blizzard will never sell items or gear tho......
..........
How much does it take for the downies to really wake up?
Actually, they NEVER said RMT won't happen....just the opposite. They said it was something they would consider.
And to be honest with you, nothing you listed there has a direct impact on gameplay and everything was asked for by the community. Again we get back to those who play WOW and those who don't. The only ones complaining, for the most part, do not and will not play WOW again so it doesn't matter. I, for one, have been quite happy with the options and the changes. And yes it is an OPTION. it is optional. You have the choice to use the services or not. Funny, throughout all of those changes and options, Blizzard's sub numbers did what....oh yeah, that's right, they increased. So yeah I do not think those were major issues.
The only people who don't like it, for the most part, already hate Blizzard and hate WOW and now just have more things to whine and complain about.
actually faction changes do have an impact on gameplay . because on some servers people in the alliance have got fed up with being out numberd by the horde so have changed and how the alliance are they even more outnumbered.
i dont think its people who just done like warcraft dont like whats happening here either .
its people who love it or used to love it .
its a slippery slope which bliz are going down . and all but the most rabid fanbois are starting to realise this .
Actually the argument is a slippery slope.
And no, faction changes do not impact gameplay at all and if you think they do, then prove it.
EDIT: I have not seen one server or heard of any players that have complained that faction changes have led to poor gameplay. Actually, just the opposite. More people have welcomed the opportunity because the game is so big and diverse. People act as if everyone ran out and changed factions and I have not seen any major changes on either of the 2 major servers on which I play. Just the opposite. People want to THINK it imbalances gameplay because its somethign esle to argue about.
The truth is, there are so many people on each server, it works itself out. And honestly, not that many people are going to pay the money for it (hence the cost).
maybe you ve not been looking . theres plenty that exist and plenty of people posting about the problem . funnily i thought a game would come along and be the WoW killer but i m starting to think its Blizzards greed that will eventually bring down the game now . I think even fans will be supprised how far Blizzard will take this rmt thing if they think they can get away with it .
Guys I'm really ticked off that a company is making money off of people that collect pets that they will use in major cities to show off. REALLY REALLY DIGUSTED AND MAD, JUST RUINS MY DAY.
People really get mad when a company sales some items that does not gave any type of advantage to any player? Seriously? Well this is the mmorpg.com forums I guess sometimes I forget.
People complained when SOE went subscription+rmt, people complained when Cryptic used subscription+rmt and now you are saying it is ok because Blizzard does it ? I mean Blizzard even stooped lower than anyone and is using the charity thing to get people to buy these pets and keep half of the profits ? If this was really intended as a fund raiser for charity then 100% of the profits should go the charity. They shouldn't pocket any of it. Atleast when the other companies used subscription+sub they didn't stoop to low standards and use people in need as an excuse to squeeze money out of you. Blizzard has hit an all time low and I'll never purchase anything from Blizzard again.
People really get mad when a company sales some items that does not gave any type of advantage to any player? Seriously? Well this is the mmorpg.com forums I guess sometimes I forget.
People complained when SOE went subscription+rmt, people complained when Cryptic used subscription+rmt and now you are saying it is ok because Blizzard does it ? I mean Blizzard even stooped lower than anyone and is using the charity thing to get people to buy these pets and keep half of the profits ? If this was really intended as a fund raiser for charity then 100% of the profits should go the charity. They shouldn't pocket any of it. Atleast when the other companies when subscription+sub they disn't stoop to low standards and use people in need as an excuse to squeeze money out of you. Blizzard has hit an all time low and I'll never purchase anything from Blizzard again.
I guess I don't see it as a bad thing because I wont ever buy them and it wont ever effect my game play. Unless of course these pets do damage or cause some kind of bug to allow someone to do some serious damage. Otherwise I really couldn't careless who buys it or who gets the money.
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You're naive
It's been a slippery slope for this game, and we all knew it was a matter of time. After Activision's acquisition you could clearly see the game was going to be trashed and RMTs, cashgrabs, and in-game changes would come.
I love all the fanbois: "that will never happen" It's happening, don't be surprised when they start offering armor for cash..
Glad I left that sinking ship.
Haven't you heard ? it is ok for Blizzard to have a shop but not anyone else ? Because WoW represents progress in the mmo genre and anyone who dares mock them is a mmo hater and you will be assaulted to death by cabbages.
You're naive
It's been a slippery slope for this game, and we all knew it was a matter of time. After Activision's acquisition you could clearly see the game was going to be trashed and RMTs, cashgrabs, and in-game changes would come.
I love all the fanbois: "that will never happen" It's happening, don't be surprised when they start offering armor for cash..
Glad I left that sinking ship.
And technically your argument is a slippery slope. Slippery slope arguments cannot be proven and there really is no way to know where its going. Blizzard has actually been UP FRONT with the playerbase and said it is something they have considered so I respect their honesty. No where did they say "RMT will never happen" and then turn around and do it (like other companies have done).
So for now, I trust Blizzard when they say its for cosmetic or vanity items only (much like the trading card game items) and I will continue to do so until I have reason not too. I will not enter into a slippery slope argument just because of what other companies have done.
And to be honest, unless you play WOW, it really doesn't matter anyway.
Right, just like you will "never" be able to change from a PvE - PvP server or you will "never" be able to change factions.
You're naive
It's been a slippery slope for this game, and we all knew it was a matter of time. After Activision's acquisition you could clearly see the game was going to be trashed and RMTs, cashgrabs, and in-game changes would come.
I love all the fanbois: "that will never happen" It's happening, don't be surprised when they start offering armor for cash..
Glad I left that sinking ship.
He's not naive, you're just irrational. Blizzard will never offer an item that gives benefits for real life money. Even the Collector's editions always come with non-game-impacting items.
It's childish to care about RMT when it has no impact on ANYONE's gameplay. If you want it you buy it, if you don't then you don't.
You don't get into guilds based on your companion pets, you don't down bosses because of a companion pet, you don't win pvp because of a companion pet.
Grow the hell up kids, tired of you teenagers whining. Get a job.
Edit: For the poster above me, link proof they said never to both of those. Official Blue responses or website news please, heck even an interview with a dev. I'll wait.
I don't think this is true either. If anything, this will drive people away from the game.
So how does adding RMT to P2P make sense? As Mardy pointed out, the people who buy those items make up for the people who leave by a considerable margin. I know who she's talking about when she mentioned someone buying 300$ worth of LoN cards to get a mount.
This strategy works because the rich are rich and the poor are poor, the people who get upset about this are not only people who can see the issues with this, but also just people who can't afford these items or are unwilling to spend more money on the game. That leaves people who are willing and are able to afford these items, more than enough to compensate for anyone leaving.
But for this to work, you can't just sell one item, you need to sell a plethora of items, because once the first item is bought, your store stops selling, so Blizzard will need to create more items until eventually they become better and more attractive. The slippery slope is in sight and people can see it.
I don't see how giving people ways to customize their characters for a little money would be driving them away. People already pay for racial changes, sex changes, and haircuts, why not add in clothes and pets? I know you guys are all big bad scary gamers, but you aren't everyone who plays video games. I am entitled to my opinion, and honestly for all the time I spend raiding, sometimes it is enough to just sit and play dress up with my toons and making them look pretty.
Microtransactions aren't going away. I have not and will not support an MMO that provides a way to buy your way to the top of a game. But I will certainly support the sale of items that allow me to better customize my toon.
So paying customers should be denied customization choices? How bout forcing everyone that doesnt RMT to wear nothing but old ragged underwear...
Design your character properly from the get go? They didn't even have to offer services like this in the first place.
Did you ever look at what you are actually paying for by the way?
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
The only thing that is disgusting abou the idea is Blizzard is only giving 50% to Make A Wish Foundation. If they really cared and if it wasn't about profit for them, they'd give 100% of the funds raised away. As it stands, it's just another Blizzard money grab. Very poor taste, Blizzard, very poor taste.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
You're naive
It's been a slippery slope for this game, and we all knew it was a matter of time. After Activision's acquisition you could clearly see the game was going to be trashed and RMTs, cashgrabs, and in-game changes would come.
I love all the fanbois: "that will never happen" It's happening, don't be surprised when they start offering armor for cash..
Glad I left that sinking ship.
And technically your argument is a slippery slope and one of the worst kinds of logical arguments. Slippery slope arguments cannot be proven and there really is no way to know where its going. Blizzard has actually been UP FRONT with the playerbase and said it is something they have considered so I respect their honesty. No where did they say "RMT will never happen" and then turn around and do it (like other companies have done).
So for now, I trust Blizzard when they say its for cosmetic or vanity items only (much like the trading card game items) and I will continue to do so until I have reason not too. I will not enter into a slippery slope argument just because of what other companies have done.
And to be honest, unless you play WOW, it really doesn't matter anyway.
You should really pay more attention.
Server transfers wont happen.....
25 dollar server transfers available
NameChange won't happen
10 dollar namechange now available
Everybody will be on equal footing.......-Blizzard
RAF speed leveling and free levels available
Pve to PvP transfers aren't something we're looking to ever do -Blizzard
Pve to PvP transfers now available 25 bucks.....
RMT will never happen in Blizzard games
New Pet store open, purchase a pet
Race change won't happen
Race changes available 25 bucks
Faction change won't happen, that would ruin the integrity
Faction change available 25 bucks
Lol, Blizzard will never sell items or gear tho......
..........
How much does it take for the downies to really wake up?
Not a big deal really, also when blizzard states what they state, they tend to say, "we aren't doing it now but it may happen in the future"
Blizz never promises anything for or against, just saying.
Really, its not that big a deal, i think people are just bored today or something, actually i'm seeing more complaining about it here then the actual WoW forums.
I do love the name calling and such because some of us won't jump on the Doom and Gloom train.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
They didn't have to give anything in the first place.
How many here donate to these causes out of the goodness of their heart?
Least blizzard is doing something, i doubt anyone here does anything.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/257632/first-faction-changes-now-race-changes-how-long-before-class-changes-.html
lol i love this i actually said this would happen a little over a week ago . in my opening post on this thread about the possibility of class changes i suggest Blizzard will open some type of item shop for cosmetic items such as exotic mounts , pets etc .
and here it is happening . hate to say to all the wow fanbois i told you so but i did.
even i am a little shocked how fast they made my forcast a reality .
it really made me laugh .
That made me lol ^.^
I don't mind it as it don't affect PVP. XP buffs is just to get through boring WoW faster lol.
I don't think this is true either. If anything, this will drive people away from the game.
So how does adding RMT to P2P make sense? As Mardy pointed out, the people who buy those items make up for the people who leave by a considerable margin. I know who she's talking about when she mentioned someone buying 300$ worth of LoN cards to get a mount.
This strategy works because the rich are rich and the poor are poor, the people who get upset about this are not only people who can see the issues with this, but also just people who can't afford these items or are unwilling to spend more money on the game. That leaves people who are willing and are able to afford these items, more than enough to compensate for anyone leaving.
But for this to work, you can't just sell one item, you need to sell a plethora of items, because once the first item is bought, your store stops selling, so Blizzard will need to create more items until eventually they become better and more attractive. The slippery slope is in sight and people can see it.
I don't see how giving people ways to customize their characters for a little money would be driving them away. People already pay for racial changes, sex changes, and haircuts, why not add in clothes and pets? I know you guys are all big bad scary gamers, but you aren't everyone who plays video games. I am entitled to my opinion, and honestly for all the time I spend raiding, sometimes it is enough to just sit and play dress up with my toons and making them look pretty.
Microtransactions aren't going away. I have not and will not support an MMO that provides a way to buy your way to the top of a game. But I will certainly support the sale of items that allow me to better customize my toon.
So paying customers should be denied customization choices? How bout forcing everyone that doesnt RMT to wear nothing but old ragged underwear...
Nowhere in my argument did I say paying customers should be denied customization choices. I stated that I support the sale of items that allow me to 'better' customize my toon. Every game comes with a standard amount of customization. I enjoy that aspect of the game. I'm willing to pay extra for it. That's my point.
Players in games with widespread use of such systems are subject to social isolation and discrimination and ive seen where this leads to(never been my problem, i always know to get a pure black outfit). Its bad enough in f2ps already, bringing this to p2p is practically giving away the game to wallet races over wardrobe. This is a more important part of gameplay than you might think and even if it wasnt why should people pay extra to enjoy some games features? How about we make crafting RMT only? It doesnt directly impact either PvP or PvE gameplay. How bout the AH or general chat becomes reserved for premium subscribers?
The second you say you're willing to pay extra for something is the very same second youre putting your foot in your mouth. I know people who spend upwards of $50 a month in fashion on f2ps. I dont care if youre filthy rich thats throwing good money away.
Edit; And to those who think this doesnt affect gameplay guess again. Wardrobe can be used to hide your class/level and in some games it can even affect targetting.
Just to make things clear...
I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
So paying customers should be denied customization choices? How bout forcing everyone that doesnt RMT to wear nothing but old ragged underwear...
Nowhere in my argument did I say paying customers should be denied customization choices. I stated that I support the sale of items that allow me to 'better' customize my toon. Every game comes with a standard amount of customization. I enjoy that aspect of the game. I'm willing to pay extra for it. That's my point.
Players in games with widespread use of such systems are subject to social isolation and discrimination and ive seen where this leads to(never been my problem, i always know to get a pure black outfit). Its bad enough in f2ps already, bringing this to p2p is practically giving away the game to wallet races over wardrobe. This is a more important part of gameplay than you might think and even if it wasnt why should people pay extra to enjoy some games features? How about we make crafting RMT only? It doesnt directly impact either PvP or PvE gameplay. How bout the AH or general chat becomes reserved for premium subscribers?
The second you say you're saying you're willing to pay extra for something is the very same second youre shooting yourself in the foot. I know people who spend upwards of $50 a month in fashion on f2ps. I dont care if youre filthy rich thats throwing good money away.
All of this is simply your opinion. You don't get to decide what I should be willing to pay for or not pay for in a game. I am a big girl and capable of making those decisions for myself, daddy. :P Just because you don't approve, doesn't mean I am wrong. I'm a paying customer, I have every right to spend a little extra on customizing my toons if I want to. I shouldn't have to, which is the point of making it an optional thing. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
So paying customers should be denied customization choices? How bout forcing everyone that doesnt RMT to wear nothing but old ragged underwear...
Nowhere in my argument did I say paying customers should be denied customization choices. I stated that I support the sale of items that allow me to 'better' customize my toon. Every game comes with a standard amount of customization. I enjoy that aspect of the game. I'm willing to pay extra for it. That's my point.
Players in games with widespread use of such systems are subject to social isolation and discrimination and ive seen where this leads to(never been my problem, i always know to get a pure black outfit). Its bad enough in f2ps already, bringing this to p2p is practically giving away the game to wallet races over wardrobe. This is a more important part of gameplay than you might think and even if it wasnt why should people pay extra to enjoy some games features? How about we make crafting RMT only? It doesnt directly impact either PvP or PvE gameplay. How bout the AH or general chat becomes reserved for premium subscribers?
The second you say you're saying you're willing to pay extra for something is the very same second youre shooting yourself in the foot. I know people who spend upwards of $50 a month in fashion on f2ps. I dont care if youre filthy rich thats throwing good money away.
All of this is simply your opinion. You don't get to decide what I should be willing to pay for or not pay for in a game. I am a big girl and capable of making those decisions for myself, daddy. :P Just because you don't approve, doesn't mean I am wrong. I'm a paying customer, I have every right to spend a little extra on customizing my toons if I want to. I shouldn't have to, which is the point of making it an optional thing. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
No, i dont get to decide what you may spend your money on. But i do get to decide what to do with mine. Its the reason i dont play EVE, p2p + RMT is the worst model ive ever seen and i will not support it out of my own pocket (not that i support WOW anyway). And trust me, its not a little extra.
Just to make things clear...
I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
So paying customers should be denied customization choices? How bout forcing everyone that doesnt RMT to wear nothing but old ragged underwear...
Nowhere in my argument did I say paying customers should be denied customization choices. I stated that I support the sale of items that allow me to 'better' customize my toon. Every game comes with a standard amount of customization. I enjoy that aspect of the game. I'm willing to pay extra for it. That's my point.
Players in games with widespread use of such systems are subject to social isolation and discrimination and ive seen where this leads to(never been my problem, i always know to get a pure black outfit). Its bad enough in f2ps already, bringing this to p2p is practically giving away the game to wallet races over wardrobe. This is a more important part of gameplay than you might think and even if it wasnt why should people pay extra to enjoy some games features? How about we make crafting RMT only? It doesnt directly impact either PvP or PvE gameplay. How bout the AH or general chat becomes reserved for premium subscribers?
The second you say you're saying you're willing to pay extra for something is the very same second youre shooting yourself in the foot. I know people who spend upwards of $50 a month in fashion on f2ps. I dont care if youre filthy rich thats throwing good money away.
All of this is simply your opinion. You don't get to decide what I should be willing to pay for or not pay for in a game. I am a big girl and capable of making those decisions for myself, daddy. :P Just because you don't approve, doesn't mean I am wrong. I'm a paying customer, I have every right to spend a little extra on customizing my toons if I want to. I shouldn't have to, which is the point of making it an optional thing. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
Well said =]
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
I seem to recall this conversation on the CO forums a while back. It's funny how it's on the WoW forum now. In that thread, people from WoW claimed that it didn't have an RMT, that the server transfers and beauty shop can't be considered RMT. Now, they are claiming that it has had it all along. Weird really, how the conversation changes depending on what game you speak of.
I also recall that CO only started with pets. Now, it offers complete respecs for 12.50$. Wonder how long it will take WoW to add those 20% xp boots, or that 10% damage chest piece. Just a thought....
You're naive
It's been a slippery slope for this game, and we all knew it was a matter of time. After Activision's acquisition you could clearly see the game was going to be trashed and RMTs, cashgrabs, and in-game changes would come.
I love all the fanbois: "that will never happen" It's happening, don't be surprised when they start offering armor for cash..
Glad I left that sinking ship.
And technically your argument is a slippery slope and one of the worst kinds of logical arguments. Slippery slope arguments cannot be proven and there really is no way to know where its going. Blizzard has actually been UP FRONT with the playerbase and said it is something they have considered so I respect their honesty. No where did they say "RMT will never happen" and then turn around and do it (like other companies have done).
So for now, I trust Blizzard when they say its for cosmetic or vanity items only (much like the trading card game items) and I will continue to do so until I have reason not too. I will not enter into a slippery slope argument just because of what other companies have done.
And to be honest, unless you play WOW, it really doesn't matter anyway.
You should really pay more attention.
Server transfers wont happen.....
25 dollar server transfers available
NameChange won't happen
10 dollar namechange now available
Everybody will be on equal footing.......-Blizzard
RAF speed leveling and free levels available
Pve to PvP transfers aren't something we're looking to ever do -Blizzard
Pve to PvP transfers now available 25 bucks.....
RMT will never happen in Blizzard games
New Pet store open, purchase a pet
Race change won't happen
Race changes available 25 bucks
Faction change won't happen, that would ruin the integrity
Faction change available 25 bucks
Lol, Blizzard will never sell items or gear tho......
..........
How much does it take for the downies to really wake up?
Actually, they NEVER said RMT won't happen....just the opposite. They said it was something they would consider.
And to be honest with you, nothing you listed there has a direct impact on gameplay and everything was asked for by the community. Again we get back to those who play WOW and those who don't. The only ones complaining, for the most part, do not and will not play WOW again so it doesn't matter. I, for one, have been quite happy with the options and the changes. And yes it is an OPTION. it is optional. You have the choice to use the services or not. Funny, throughout all of those changes and options, Blizzard's sub numbers did what....oh yeah, that's right, they increased. So yeah I do not think those were major issues.
The only people who don't like it, for the most part, already hate Blizzard and hate WOW and now just have more things to whine and complain about.
actually faction changes do have an impact on gameplay . because on some servers people in the alliance have got fed up with being out numberd by the horde so have changed and how the alliance are they even more outnumbered.
i dont think its people who just done like warcraft dont like whats happening here either .
its people who love it or used to love it .
its a slippery slope which bliz are going down . and all but the most rabid fanbois are starting to realise this .
lol oh noes guys! Watch out for the girl in the spring dress! We don't know what class she is, and we know she isn't wearing armor because she is wearing vanity clothes, but be afraid, be very afraid!!!
I really don't get the people who use RMT. To me it's like buying a game for $50 you have already beaten. Aren't console games for instant gratification already anyways?
Some people actually enjoy collecting fluff items like this.
Just because it doesn't directly affect the stats on YOUR sheet, doesn't mean it isn't important to anyone.
Honestly, anyone who thinks this will only be limited to a few fluff items here and there is in for a real eye opener when it finally crosses your threshold.
Companies are removing content like this to make extra money for no extra effort. Any company willing to sell you in game items is willing to go all the way to game affecting items. They just need you to roll over and get used to the idea. They will push the limits more and more, because they all know power items will see more than fluff items.
If you think I am wrong, hope over to the SOE forums for a taste of the future.
You're naive
It's been a slippery slope for this game, and we all knew it was a matter of time. After Activision's acquisition you could clearly see the game was going to be trashed and RMTs, cashgrabs, and in-game changes would come.
I love all the fanbois: "that will never happen" It's happening, don't be surprised when they start offering armor for cash..
Glad I left that sinking ship.
And technically your argument is a slippery slope and one of the worst kinds of logical arguments. Slippery slope arguments cannot be proven and there really is no way to know where its going. Blizzard has actually been UP FRONT with the playerbase and said it is something they have considered so I respect their honesty. No where did they say "RMT will never happen" and then turn around and do it (like other companies have done).
So for now, I trust Blizzard when they say its for cosmetic or vanity items only (much like the trading card game items) and I will continue to do so until I have reason not too. I will not enter into a slippery slope argument just because of what other companies have done.
And to be honest, unless you play WOW, it really doesn't matter anyway.
You should really pay more attention.
Server transfers wont happen.....
25 dollar server transfers available
NameChange won't happen
10 dollar namechange now available
Everybody will be on equal footing.......-Blizzard
RAF speed leveling and free levels available
Pve to PvP transfers aren't something we're looking to ever do -Blizzard
Pve to PvP transfers now available 25 bucks.....
RMT will never happen in Blizzard games
New Pet store open, purchase a pet
Race change won't happen
Race changes available 25 bucks
Faction change won't happen, that would ruin the integrity
Faction change available 25 bucks
Lol, Blizzard will never sell items or gear tho......
..........
How much does it take for the downies to really wake up?
Actually, they NEVER said RMT won't happen....just the opposite. They said it was something they would consider.
And to be honest with you, nothing you listed there has a direct impact on gameplay and everything was asked for by the community. Again we get back to those who play WOW and those who don't. The only ones complaining, for the most part, do not and will not play WOW again so it doesn't matter. I, for one, have been quite happy with the options and the changes. And yes it is an OPTION. it is optional. You have the choice to use the services or not. Funny, throughout all of those changes and options, Blizzard's sub numbers did what....oh yeah, that's right, they increased. So yeah I do not think those were major issues.
The only people who don't like it, for the most part, already hate Blizzard and hate WOW and now just have more things to whine and complain about.
actually faction changes do have an impact on gameplay . because on some servers people in the alliance have got fed up with being out numberd by the horde so have changed and how the alliance are they even more outnumbered.
i dont think its people who just done like warcraft dont like whats happening here either .
its people who love it or used to love it .
its a slippery slope which bliz are going down . and all but the most rabid fanbois are starting to realise this .
Actually the argument is a slippery slope.
And no, faction changes do not impact gameplay at all and if you think they do, then prove it.
EDIT: I have not seen one server or heard of any players that have complained that faction changes have led to poor gameplay. Actually, just the opposite. More people have welcomed the opportunity because the game is so big and diverse. People act as if everyone ran out and changed factions and I have not seen any major changes on either of the 2 major servers on which I play. Just the opposite. People want to THINK it imbalances gameplay because its somethign esle to argue about.
The truth is, there are so many people on each server, it works itself out. And honestly, not that many people are going to pay the money for it (hence the cost).
maybe you ve not been looking . theres plenty that exist and plenty of people posting about the problem . funnily i thought a game would come along and be the WoW killer but i m starting to think its Blizzards greed that will eventually bring down the game now . I think even fans will be supprised how far Blizzard will take this rmt thing if they think they can get away with it .
Guys I'm really ticked off that a company is making money off of people that collect pets that they will use in major cities to show off. REALLY REALLY DIGUSTED AND MAD, JUST RUINS MY DAY.
People complained when SOE went subscription+rmt, people complained when Cryptic used subscription+rmt and now you are saying it is ok because Blizzard does it ? I mean Blizzard even stooped lower than anyone and is using the charity thing to get people to buy these pets and keep half of the profits ? If this was really intended as a fund raiser for charity then 100% of the profits should go the charity. They shouldn't pocket any of it. Atleast when the other companies used subscription+sub they didn't stoop to low standards and use people in need as an excuse to squeeze money out of you. Blizzard has hit an all time low and I'll never purchase anything from Blizzard again.
People complained when SOE went subscription+rmt, people complained when Cryptic used subscription+rmt and now you are saying it is ok because Blizzard does it ? I mean Blizzard even stooped lower than anyone and is using the charity thing to get people to buy these pets and keep half of the profits ? If this was really intended as a fund raiser for charity then 100% of the profits should go the charity. They shouldn't pocket any of it. Atleast when the other companies when subscription+sub they disn't stoop to low standards and use people in need as an excuse to squeeze money out of you. Blizzard has hit an all time low and I'll never purchase anything from Blizzard again.
I guess I don't see it as a bad thing because I wont ever buy them and it wont ever effect my game play. Unless of course these pets do damage or cause some kind of bug to allow someone to do some serious damage. Otherwise I really couldn't careless who buys it or who gets the money.