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Plagiarism lawsuit incoming
Kaynos1972
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in Alganon
At least when trying to copy someone else work, at least try to make it a little different. I'm amazed by the sheer amount of plagiarism in this game, the UI, the NPC, the Graphics are exactly like WOW. I'm sure as soon as this game launch they will be sued by Blizzard for plagiarism. I dont give this game 6 months before it shuts down.
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Because WoW was such an original game and didn't copy stuff straight out of a dozen MMOs before it. Welcome to the MMO genre, this my friend is how its done and has been done since it originated. Its common knowledge all MMOs copy eachother in many different ways. You can't plagiarize graphics, user interfaces, character models, name etc... If they used the same coding and game engine without permission/license that is of course illegal, but that is not what you said and I highly doubt that is the case.
I really don't care about the three things you listed, if the game play is the same as WoW then it will fail as the world already has one WoW and as the clones of the past have made clear, no one wants another by a different name.
You most certainly can plagiarize models and graphics. They are property of the creators. Why do you think there are websites/companies out there that sell them?
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There are WOW private servers with more players on them than Alganon will garner, Blizzard won't even blink an eye at this game.
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Because WoW was such an original game and didn't copy stuff straight out of a dozen MMOs before it. Welcome to the MMO genre, this my friend is how its done and has been done since it originated. Its common knowledge all MMOs copy eachother in many different ways. You can't plagiarize graphics, user interfaces, character models, name etc... If they used the same coding and game engine without permission/license that is of course illegal, but that is not what you said and I highly doubt that is the case.
I really don't care about the three things you listed, if the game play is the same as WoW then it will fail as the world already has one WoW and as the clones of the past have made clear, no one wants another by a different name.
I used to actually be one of the people who said that. You know, the whole, "Well, everyone copies in the MMO genre!" but now I've really come to realize, that at least in Alganon's case, people will say whatever makes them feel better about a given situation.
You're right. Ideas and themes are commonly borrowed. What's the most common comparison, tho? The similarities between Everquest and WOW? But which parts did Blizzard directly lift? None? Riight. Now take a look at Alganon.
It isn't that the graphics are similiar. It's that elements in Alganon are exactly the same, identical, to how they were in WOW. Can you name me one other commercial title that's done that? It's not that the ideas behind it are borrowed, the elements were directly lifted without so much as a change. That is plagiarism!
And, by the way, you can actually copyright elements like UI layouts and such, especially character models. I've seen MANY cases where models have been directly lifted and legal actions were taken, and this was just for Source Engine mods. Just because it's digital, and on another engine, doesn't mean it can't be copyrighted. Why people who have no idea, and I mean really, no idea at all about what they're talking about, try to make assumptions and state things as facts is beyond me.
lol there will be no lawsuit .. get educated instead of regurgitating the puke you read on the internet
I think instead of actually taking it literally, it's the fact it could be done is the main point. And it could be done. There is no special education needed to be able to see it. If you honestly think with all of the outrageous gaming related court cases that are and have been going on that it's out of the question, you might want to get educated about what crosses the line between plagiarism and not.
The only actually logical reason to say that is because QOL has no money, at all. And what would Blizzard gain? Alganon isn't even on the radar.
I think instead of actually taking it literally, it's the fact it could be done is the main point. And it could be done. There is no special education needed to be able to see it. If you honestly think with all of the outrageous gaming related court cases that are and have been going on that it's out of the question, you might want to get educated about what crosses the line between plagiarism and not.
The only actually logical reason to say that is because QOL has no money, at all. And what would Blizzard gain? Alganon isn't even on the radar.
read the threads Title , it Literally says , i Literally responded ... thx for your hypothetical useless input
There wont be any lawsuit.
If there was a lawsuit it would be Tolkien vs MMORPG companies eeing how they stole his elfs and dwarfs and goblins and orcs.
Sure if Tolkien was the first to use fantasy settings. When it comes to copywriting there isn't much that Blizzard can do. Sure they can copyright their character models, but if another company made models very similar without using the actual original files there is no problem with that.
Take for example the new Driod commercial. They plainly stole iPhone's commercial and even made a font so similar to the Apple font that it is near identical. But because they didn't actually use the Apple font (which is copyrighted) they have no fear of action against them.
Then it can also be argued that because other games have used similar character models before WoW that their copyright means crap thanks to Prior Use laws.
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I love the Tolkien argument, because Tolkien clearly created the idea of a cursed ring before anyone else...
Der Ring des Nibelungen
But stick with that argument, it's old enough that maybe people just plain forgot history past 100 years ago.
Also Elves, Dwarfs, Gnomes, Goblins, Elementals, Fairies, Brownies, Nymphs and a horde of other creatures have been seen in mythology for hundreds and hundreds of years around the world. Reusing them in a story gives him no claim over their ownership.
I love the Tolkien argument, because Tolkien clearly created the idea of a cursed ring before anyone else...
Der Ring des Nibelungen
But stick with that argument, it's old enough that maybe people just plain forgot history past 100 years ago.
I am pretty sure that no one mentioned a ring.
I love the Tolkien argument, because Tolkien clearly created the idea of a cursed ring before anyone else...
Der Ring des Nibelungen
But stick with that argument, it's old enough that maybe people just plain forgot history past 100 years ago.
I am pretty sure that no one mentioned a ring.
Given the fact he didn't create Elves, Dwarves, Goblins or Orcs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goblin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc
I am pretty sure the only unique thing belonging to him would be the story, and given the story was simply retelling of another story... what could he sue for?
(Hint: The Lord of the Rings was Tolkien's only series of books to feature those creatures... which would make his story a ripoff, so Wagner could sue Tolkien right?)
Plagiarism deals directly with a 'copy'~>'paste' of information or other intellectual property.
Regardless of how identical graphics are, or how gameplay is astoundingly the same, as long as the company involved created their own models from the ground up etc. then there is hardly any risk at all.
You'd be looking for a direct rip-off, or a rip-off that is modified. If the legwork has been done by the company in question, the result will always be outside the boundaries of plagiarism.
If you're looking to claim 'copyright infringement', that's another topic.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
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Im playing beta, for one, ya it does look like wow but its design is on its own engine. plus there are features of this game better the WoW, like water and terrian.
This game looks like a hybrid of WoW and Warhammer to be honest. Yes there is similar features like wow. but who cares, design ur game on a popular concept and design is good imo.
game is to different from WoW, so no they wont be getting a law suit.
i think this game has alot of potental in its design and concept. so play open beta and look for your self.
i actually like this game, by far better then AION. I hope this game does well and i think it will.
The game looks terrible, I am not sure what you are looking at but the water is hideous. How is it a hybrid of WoW and Warhammer? The game has no PvP. The game is different then WoW? Because they added a built in Wiki for it? So different!
It has no potential in it's current design.
I am so confused by people though, I will ask a serious question.
What is there to like about this game? With no pvp, no races (2 races with no difference between them), same exact ui as WoW, no instances, broken talents... what is there? Seriously.
You have not really said why it is better than wow except for having better looking water.
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IMO;
I haven't played this game, but I didn't like WoW, so there isn't much point to comment on game quality.
Copyright laws allow for 10% difference from original logo/code/etc before it becomes infringement. That means that if my rogue elf outfit is made with a bowtie, even if it looks *exactly* like the one in D & D... I'm free and clear.
If anything, and I really doubt Blizzard is going to pursue this (without there being a direct copy~paste issue), copying or mimmicking dress/ face/ models is mostly a "creative copyright" issue, again assuming they directly copied. Copying code is "intellectual property".
BUT, change it by 10% and it becomes yours. There are only so many mathematical formulas to create water reflection.
D & D uses the minotaur, but you won't see Zeus coming down to mess with them, as the story of the minotaur is older than the story of jesus.
Dragons are as old as China, but you wont' see them coming after you for "Myth Infringement".
I'm pretty sure that Alganon has a legal team that already did the footwork on this and it won't be an issue.
IMO, if this game sucks as bad as WoW, it's destined for failure w/o need of legal intervention.
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They aren't even trying to hide it.
That would make it a hybrid of WoW and LOTRO, I guess.
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Are you serious!?
He is correct in that there is no 10% rule when it comes to plagiarism, you can't take something directly from somewhere, change a word and say it's yours.
"Does it matter how much was copied?
Not in determining whether or not plagiarism is a crime. If even a small part of a work is found to have been plagiarized, it is still considered a copyright violation. However, the amount that was copied probably will have a bearing on the severity of the punishment. A work that is almost entirely plagiarized will almost certainly incur greater penalties than a work that only includes a small amount of plagiarized material."
http://www.plagiarism.org/plag_article_plagiarism_faq.html
But lets get serious for a minute here, even if you want to say "well the UI isn't all the important," doesn't it bother you in the least that they couldn't put in a little effort to make it different? I mean, there are a thousand ways to present your UI, and most of them work. To directly steal a UI from another game speaks volumes on the laziness of the Devs.
Even the freaking terrain is lifted right out of WoW. There is almost nothing about this game that is not blatant theft.
Look at the two screencaps in this article. http://www.mpogd.com/news/?ID=5030
Look at the rock formation in the first one... it's like being right back in the Arathi Highlands!
And the second, the structure could be Stonard or Crossroads...
Everything about this game has been stolen, pure and simple.
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Check the videos ... I don't know what to say.
Too funny;
"That key icon on the far left? It's only there because WoW has a keyring with that button. Alganon doesn't have a keyring but they forgot to remove the icon when they copied the UI design."
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