I said 2 times or so that the world looks great BUT the characters no don't see your point on those videos..
Look up the word : "Besides"
I didn't say you didn't. I was just pointing out that this is a non issue, the game ON THE WHOLE is amazingly beautiful. You are free to nitpick things all day long. I tend to look at the total experience.
And the experience in LOTRO is excellent.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
I didn't say you didn't. I was just pointing out that this is a non issue, the game ON THE WHOLE is amazingly beautiful. You are free to nitpick things all day long. I tend to look at the total experience. And the experience in LOTRO is excellent.
I don't think the game on the whole is beautiful, because the character models suck. I think they're a part of the total experience as well, which lowers the whole game's quality.
Of course the particular feature means different things to different people, but at least to me the quality of character model is quite important.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Just wanted to point out that I noticed an animation slider under advance graphics, for those of you who say they look "disjointed", which I don't see. I'm guessing the bar makes the animation more fluid. They still run around with sticks up their arses, but disjointed? I don't see it. Maybe you guys should alter the slider a bit.
I didn't find the models that compelling, nor did I find them so horrible that I ran from the game screaming. The fact that when I started I ran in to a total of 3 people and not a single one would reply to my "hello"s over the course of three days left me pretty cold though.
I dunno how anyone can think that looks good I mean the proportions are all out and that body doesn't look very Human to me. I dunno how many of you have torsos like that and Arms which look like they ain't connected to their body and then you have the weird shape of their legs and how small they are compared. I mean the faces are that great in lotro too, specially the Hobbits but it's mainly the bodies and then how they animate looks horrible and makes it even worse. The females do look better and it's weird because like in Vanguard some armour can change the shape of the body and make it look alright. However on the whole they're just terrible and don't fit into the environment, I mean they look so out of place like someone photoshopped it in.
I have to say sure you can make any game look really good or really bad in a screenshot but go and play it and see for yourself.
Another thing I'll add is I hate how the clothes and stuff look like a texture put directly onto the character model and it looks so flat. I mean in other games it's something the character looks like they're wearing rather than it being painted on the skin. However I could just be noticing that cause the models are just so bad.
I'm not trying to anger the fanbois here but just trying to point it out that they could do a better job on the character models and more people might play the game. I know they put me off and lots of my friends who played with me in WoW all tried Lotro and hated the same things such as the character models and animations. I don't think anyone can disagree that they could be better and they wouldn't mind Turbine making them look nicer and putting more effort into them. The fans will always say they're fine as they're are but yeh just "fine" and they could be better. I mean theres no reason not to want them IMPROVED as an improvement is exactly that.
I didn't find the models that compelling, nor did I find them so horrible that I ran from the game screaming. The fact that when I started I ran in to a total of 3 people and not a single one would reply to my "hello"s over the course of three days left me pretty cold though.
You aren't by any chance a certain person playing on Brandywine /following people around and complaining that noone wants to say hello and talk to you, are you? Just asking. Happened to my and my wife's character a couple of days ago... I didn't want to talk to the weirdo that auto-followed strangers and complained when they didn't feel like talking.
Originally posted by Darkjinxter I think the OP is referring to the... Mis-shapen barrel chest Dropped shoulders Short legs
i actually find that model to be a fairly accurate depiction of a modern, athletic human male with good posture (who is taking a deep breath.) the reason the legs look short is because the pic is cut off at the ankles. obviously it doesn't represent the average dude, but an average dude with a tubby body would have to stop and catch his breath after about 45 seconds of swinging a sword around.
I dunno, I don't find the Lotro models to be awful, just kinda average. That could be because I started EQ around the Kunark expansion so I've seen awful.
You aren't by any chance a certain person playing on Brandywine /following people around and complaining that noone wants to say hello and talk to you, are you? Just asking. Happened to my and my wife's character a couple of days ago... I didn't want to talk to the weirdo that auto-followed strangers and complained when they didn't feel like talking.
No this would have been a year or so ago. The server was deserted in most places I adventured in and when I did run across some other person running in the same cave or forest as me I would ask them if they wanted to team up or just say hi or other little new player questions. Maybe its weird that I like my MMOs friendly and chatty ^_^
I've been playing the LOTRO trial for the last week or so. I don't mind the models or the animations, (although the half a second lag after every/some ability cast(s) makes combat feel clunky) the big problem I have is with the faces. Particularly the female humans and elves. There's very little variation around the eyes, and the lips look incredibly out of place. I've found it impossible to get a female character looking anywhere near something I'm happy with. The NPCs also seem to have facial options which the char creator doesn't have.
It's strange though, because I thought the DDO char creator was great. Good options, and the ability to mix and match various facial elemnts meant that you could get alot of subtle variations. Turbine should have gone with a similar system with LOTRO imo.
I've been playing the LOTRO trial for the last week or so. I don't mind the models or the animations, (although the half a second lag after every/some ability cast(s) makes combat feel clunky) This is not lag, this is how the combat in LotrO is designed to give it a differnt feel than other MMOs and takes some time to get used to, Ive always likes this better than the WoW combat. But in Siege of Mirkwood they are changing this so that combat will be "smoother".
the big problem I have is with the faces. Particularly the female humans and elves. There's very little variation around the eyes, and the lips look incredibly out of place. I've found it impossible to get a female character looking anywhere near something I'm happy with. The NPCs also seem to have facial options which the char creator doesn't have. It's strange though, because I thought the DDO char creator was great. Good options, and the ability to mix and match various facial elemnts meant that you could get alot of subtle variations. Turbine should have gone with a similar system with LOTRO imo. I think the big differnces with LotrO faces and DDO (and most other MMOs) is that they are actually animated and characters can have alot of different expression. Personally I tihnk the faces look great but dont like alot of the animations.
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Look disagree with me as much as you want but if they did something for the characters (animations didn't see yet) I would give it a try and so many others.
Its the second largest mmo in the west. This, while mabye for some, is really not an issue. If you dont play it, but want to, solely on this alone, you are missing out on one of the most solid and for many, awesome MMO's out.
Its is simply NOT the worst mmo in terms of animation and avatars out there.
I see both points to a degree. However, Mrbloodworth, if you don't thing that redoing the character models and animations would be a huge positive for this game, then frankly, you are either in denial or simply aren't paying attention. There are a number of people that have posted here and on other sites that are drawn to Lotro, but can't stand the character models and/or animations. I have seen a least 3 threads on this site alone saying such.
I play this game and although I love it enough to have purchased the lifetime, I would be ecstatic if Turbine decided to redo the models and animations. The bodies are disproportionate and look odd. Not to mention, there is NOT a lot of difference in the look of one face to another. In addition, I have three RL friends that won't touch this game due to the "ugly models".
The scenery/environment in this game is top notch and the game itself has so many great things going for it, but the models need work. IMO, they are the games biggest weakness. There is a large majority of players out there that want/need to feel a connection with their avatar(s) and it's hard to do that with this game for the reasons mentioned above.
Are these models the worst out there? No! However, I would argue that the environment/landscape is the best (w/AoC) and I would in no way say that the models are on par with that! You may like the character models and animations in this game, but to say that it shouldn't effect other players opinions of the game is a bit obtuse.
The biggest reason (and perhaps the only reason) I haven't abandoned Aion completely and come back to Lotro full time, is because of the character models and character customization in that game. For the first time in an MMO aside from possibly AoC, I am completely satisfied with the look of my avatars and feel that they represent almost exactly what I wanted/imagined each individual character to look like.
Once again, I absolutely love Lotro and may even go as far as saying it's by far the best MMO out at the moment. However, I am far from liking the character models, as are many others.
They could be better, and starter armor textures and designs are just bad(the pants have yellow halfmoon stripes on the hips, making it look like you're just wearing leather underwear and chaps).
lol, I was sort fo thinking the same thing. Sort of like a 70's porn star with the chaps and the mustache.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Just wanted to point out that I noticed an animation slider under advance graphics, for those of you who say they look "disjointed", which I don't see. I'm guessing the bar makes the animation more fluid. They still run around with sticks up their arses, but disjointed? I don't see it. Maybe you guys should alter the slider a bit.
That does make a difference. I would like to see what the new speed up in combat looks like for the SoM expansion on the 1st. There will be a on and off for the animations with the new more responsive combat. That may make a difference as well with the visual aspect of combat animations.
How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder, without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better, and not the world about them? R.A.Salvatore
What I don't get is everyone can agree they could be better so why do people have a problem with improving them? Like I said it would be an improvement so everyones a winner. People playing the game would be even happier and people like me who was put off with them could get past the starter area lol.
This is what I saw when I played the trial (not my picture but it's the best example) and you have this great landscape but such horrible character design. It put me off going any further throughout the game because if I can't like my character then I wont care about the exploring the world with him and his advancement.
I don't see anything wrong with it either.
I hope the OP is not hoping for NCSOFT/Asian gothic look a likes?I don't need all my armour to be gothic looking full of spikes,that rounded look is fine for me,it looks much more realistic.
I think a game should have variety of looks,unless they want us to think the exact same armoursmith or weaponsmith made every single piece of gear in the game lol.There should a distinct difference ,that makes it look like Elvens made some gear,Dwarves other and so on and so forth.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
This is what I saw when I played the trial (not my picture but it's the best example) and you have this great landscape but such horrible character design. It put me off going any further throughout the game because if I can't like my character then I wont care about the exploring the world with him and his advancement.
Char looks very nice. Why you created that char if you do not like it? I personally found char creation very customizable so its not game but your own fault.
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration ______\m/_____ LordOfDarkDesire
What I don't get is everyone can agree they could be better so why do people have a problem with improving them? Like I said it would be an improvement so everyones a winner. People playing the game would be even happier and people like me who was put off with them could get past the starter area lol.
Because improving character models, animation or both will take huge amount of time and resources from turbine. People who think they are fine but could be better, will rather see that development resource spent else where, like content...
I think the animations and models look just fine. Actually, I think "War of the Ents" is the best combat animation I have seen in any game.
Looks good to me, the problem is that alot of low level armor is to tight to the body. I think the characters in LotrO are among the best looking in MMOs but the gear is hit and miss. The cosmetic outfuts makes up for that thou. Compare to the ugly character models in games like EQ2 and Vanguard..
Uhhhhh-LOTRO isn't that good. I would put it on par with Vanguard, EQ2 is superior to LOTRO. But Champions beats them all.
Comments
I said 2 times or so that the world looks great BUT the characters no don't see your point on those videos..
Look up the word : "Besides"
I didn't say you didn't. I was just pointing out that this is a non issue, the game ON THE WHOLE is amazingly beautiful. You are free to nitpick things all day long. I tend to look at the total experience.
And the experience in LOTRO is excellent.
----------
"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I don't think the game on the whole is beautiful, because the character models suck. I think they're a part of the total experience as well, which lowers the whole game's quality.
Of course the particular feature means different things to different people, but at least to me the quality of character model is quite important.
Just wanted to point out that I noticed an animation slider under advance graphics, for those of you who say they look "disjointed", which I don't see. I'm guessing the bar makes the animation more fluid. They still run around with sticks up their arses, but disjointed? I don't see it. Maybe you guys should alter the slider a bit.
Very.
I didn't find the models that compelling, nor did I find them so horrible that I ran from the game screaming. The fact that when I started I ran in to a total of 3 people and not a single one would reply to my "hello"s over the course of three days left me pretty cold though.
Currently Playing: D3-ROS
Previously played: WoW, Tera, SWTOR, TSW, Rift, Defiance, GW2, Aion, LotRO, Rapplez, RoM, Dofus, LC, Requiem, WoKF, PW, etc
Waiting on: Wildstar
I dunno how anyone can think that looks good I mean the proportions are all out and that body doesn't look very Human to me. I dunno how many of you have torsos like that and Arms which look like they ain't connected to their body and then you have the weird shape of their legs and how small they are compared. I mean the faces are that great in lotro too, specially the Hobbits but it's mainly the bodies and then how they animate looks horrible and makes it even worse. The females do look better and it's weird because like in Vanguard some armour can change the shape of the body and make it look alright. However on the whole they're just terrible and don't fit into the environment, I mean they look so out of place like someone photoshopped it in.
I have to say sure you can make any game look really good or really bad in a screenshot but go and play it and see for yourself.
Another thing I'll add is I hate how the clothes and stuff look like a texture put directly onto the character model and it looks so flat. I mean in other games it's something the character looks like they're wearing rather than it being painted on the skin. However I could just be noticing that cause the models are just so bad.
I'm not trying to anger the fanbois here but just trying to point it out that they could do a better job on the character models and more people might play the game. I know they put me off and lots of my friends who played with me in WoW all tried Lotro and hated the same things such as the character models and animations. I don't think anyone can disagree that they could be better and they wouldn't mind Turbine making them look nicer and putting more effort into them. The fans will always say they're fine as they're are but yeh just "fine" and they could be better. I mean theres no reason not to want them IMPROVED as an improvement is exactly that.
Another example.
images.mmorpg.com/images/screenshots/112008/inline/14494.jpg
Look at their odd body shape and Im aware armour changes the look of it but this is what many new players will be seeing as they start out.
referring to: http://images.mmorpg.com//images/galleries/formatted/462009/59bc888e-b927-4889-84cd-271f1ac63153.jpg
i actually find that model to be a fairly accurate depiction of a modern, athletic human male with good posture (who is taking a deep breath.) the reason the legs look short is because the pic is cut off at the ankles. obviously it doesn't represent the average dude, but an average dude with a tubby body would have to stop and catch his breath after about 45 seconds of swinging a sword around.have a blessed thread.
I dunno, I don't find the Lotro models to be awful, just kinda average. That could be because I started EQ around the Kunark expansion so I've seen awful.
No this would have been a year or so ago. The server was deserted in most places I adventured in and when I did run across some other person running in the same cave or forest as me I would ask them if they wanted to team up or just say hi or other little new player questions. Maybe its weird that I like my MMOs friendly and chatty ^_^
Currently Playing: D3-ROS
Previously played: WoW, Tera, SWTOR, TSW, Rift, Defiance, GW2, Aion, LotRO, Rapplez, RoM, Dofus, LC, Requiem, WoKF, PW, etc
Waiting on: Wildstar
I've been playing the LOTRO trial for the last week or so. I don't mind the models or the animations, (although the half a second lag after every/some ability cast(s) makes combat feel clunky) the big problem I have is with the faces. Particularly the female humans and elves. There's very little variation around the eyes, and the lips look incredibly out of place. I've found it impossible to get a female character looking anywhere near something I'm happy with. The NPCs also seem to have facial options which the char creator doesn't have.
It's strange though, because I thought the DDO char creator was great. Good options, and the ability to mix and match various facial elemnts meant that you could get alot of subtle variations. Turbine should have gone with a similar system with LOTRO imo.
That said, I like the game in spite of the faces.
MUNDO!!
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Its the second largest mmo in the west. This, while mabye for some, is really not an issue. If you dont play it, but want to, solely on this alone, you are missing out on one of the most solid and for many, awesome MMO's out.
Its is simply NOT the worst mmo in terms of animation and avatars out there.
I see both points to a degree. However, Mrbloodworth, if you don't thing that redoing the character models and animations would be a huge positive for this game, then frankly, you are either in denial or simply aren't paying attention. There are a number of people that have posted here and on other sites that are drawn to Lotro, but can't stand the character models and/or animations. I have seen a least 3 threads on this site alone saying such.
I play this game and although I love it enough to have purchased the lifetime, I would be ecstatic if Turbine decided to redo the models and animations. The bodies are disproportionate and look odd. Not to mention, there is NOT a lot of difference in the look of one face to another. In addition, I have three RL friends that won't touch this game due to the "ugly models".
The scenery/environment in this game is top notch and the game itself has so many great things going for it, but the models need work. IMO, they are the games biggest weakness. There is a large majority of players out there that want/need to feel a connection with their avatar(s) and it's hard to do that with this game for the reasons mentioned above.
Are these models the worst out there? No! However, I would argue that the environment/landscape is the best (w/AoC) and I would in no way say that the models are on par with that! You may like the character models and animations in this game, but to say that it shouldn't effect other players opinions of the game is a bit obtuse.
The biggest reason (and perhaps the only reason) I haven't abandoned Aion completely and come back to Lotro full time, is because of the character models and character customization in that game. For the first time in an MMO aside from possibly AoC, I am completely satisfied with the look of my avatars and feel that they represent almost exactly what I wanted/imagined each individual character to look like.
Once again, I absolutely love Lotro and may even go as far as saying it's by far the best MMO out at the moment. However, I am far from liking the character models, as are many others.
Your fail comment, failed.
lol, I was sort fo thinking the same thing. Sort of like a 70's porn star with the chaps and the mustache.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
That does make a difference. I would like to see what the new speed up in combat looks like for the SoM expansion on the 1st. There will be a on and off for the animations with the new more responsive combat. That may make a difference as well with the visual aspect of combat animations.
How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder, without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better, and not the world about them?
R.A.Salvatore
What I don't get is everyone can agree they could be better so why do people have a problem with improving them? Like I said it would be an improvement so everyones a winner. People playing the game would be even happier and people like me who was put off with them could get past the starter area lol.
I don't see anything wrong with it either.
I hope the OP is not hoping for NCSOFT/Asian gothic look a likes?I don't need all my armour to be gothic looking full of spikes,that rounded look is fine for me,it looks much more realistic.
I think a game should have variety of looks,unless they want us to think the exact same armoursmith or weaponsmith made every single piece of gear in the game lol.There should a distinct difference ,that makes it look like Elvens made some gear,Dwarves other and so on and so forth.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Char looks very nice. Why you created that char if you do not like it? I personally found char creation very customizable so its not game but your own fault.
Where themepark games try to hide that they are copying WOW, games like Mortal Online and Darkfall make no attempt to hide their inspiration
______\m/_____
LordOfDarkDesire
Because improving character models, animation or both will take huge amount of time and resources from turbine. People who think they are fine but could be better, will rather see that development resource spent else where, like content...
I think the animations and models look just fine. Actually, I think "War of the Ents" is the best combat animation I have seen in any game.
Uhhhhh-LOTRO isn't that good. I would put it on par with Vanguard, EQ2 is superior to LOTRO. But Champions beats them all.
AoC isn;t bad either.