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Whats with the PC Gamer Mag Score of 55% ?
AmazingAvery
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"Overstretched on launch. Fallen Earth is broken in too many places. Wait a while and the ambitious world could become impressive." 55%
"The only thing you can't craft is better combat"
It is all about comparing to a would be Fallout MMO. Whats with that, can't they take a game and review it for what it is instead of comparing the game to another of another genre?
"Combat is real time and, bucking the MMO trend, relies largely on mouse ability rather than stat calculations. It's a refreshing decision, but a clunky game engine renders it frustrating, particularly during server lag. Ranged combat is acceptable, if stilted, but melee battles are weak. Group combat is also hamstrung by this issue, despite a helpful and friendly community."
I am interested to see if F.E players agree about the combat mechanics, I like the look of the game but with others on my plate at the moment I do intend to check out F.E. next year at somepoint.
PS. PC Gamer magazine US pg 81 Holiday edition.
Don't get me wrong I see a really good community for the game it is just as coming from someone who loves to craft and also the real time combat element, is what the review says semi true for the game in combat terms?
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Seems pretty accurate to me... I think they'll pull it together in the long run. At least, I hope they do. The game has a lot of potential, it's just not ready yet.
Your going to get alot of mixed reviews from magazines and players as well of scores 1 thru 10.
Its a niche game with massive future potential and is a independant company right out of the good ole USA.
You also got a playerbase that is very loyal and the developers listen and take part in the community.
They stated they wanted to make a game that they like to play as well as other gamers that share their same interest.
This game has had little advertisement, but are starting to get noticed even by the big boys in the mmo world now.
Everyone is a critic out there, since PC Gamer Mag gave it 55% and here IGN gave it a 8.1
Its like this, here in the USA, do you like FOX News, CNN or MSNBC.. That should sum up this game and the way its rated.
That score is utter rubbish, and it was enough me to abandon that mag forever.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
To answer the main question, combat in FE is something to get used to if you are used to the status quo hard targeting that you get in most MMOGs. As for the rating, "professional" review or not, it's all just opinion. In my experience, reviews of any entertainment medium are far too subjective to be taken seriously, good or bad. It's a shame certainly since many people see reviews and take them at face value, and hence might not give something they might actually enjoy a chance...
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It's the same in any industry. Like bands and movies.
How many movies have been crashed and burned by critics? And ended up being very good enjoyable movies?
Last week I went to the farewell concert of A-HA here in Oslo and they had a band in their pre-program that was burned in the newspapers.
Well, this band happens to have a pretty nice hit in the charts and everyone in the concert hall was enjoying their music greatly. I liked them too.
That's why I stopped believing in critics and reviews long long time ago. Most of these critics. Especially in the movie and music bussines are arrogant idiots with over-inflated ego's!
Cheers
I've played FE and I agree with the score, its a bland looking game, needs more color to be used insted of brown, brown and grey and oh look more brown!, that gets quite boring after a short time playing it, yes its unique in a way, but with the lack luster combat, bad controls and such, I can't blame them for giving it a 55%. I tried a trial and I kept lagging out every so much that I gave up. Not to mention all the bugs that should have been fixed in beta that still linger in the game probally still today. Either way the fact there is such lag issues a month after launch is just not acceptable at all not one bit.
I would just love to know if this 'professional' game review was done on a system that met the 'minimum' requirements or if they shuffled in on a POS like the last guy that gave FE a bad review because of 'lag'. Just about every review I have seen on FE that is negative has been based on their inability to play the game smoothly due to a lack of system capabilities on the users own end. And this review, sounds like one of the same. Seriously, are they trying these games out on a 5 year old business build HP that's loaded down with IT spyware and expecting miracles?
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
I think they tanked the score quite a bit more than it deserved, this is an MMO after all... not an FPS. The combat system in most MMOs is pretty weak in general. You need to score the game on its total package, and FE does alot of other things very well. But they were pretty spot on in describing the combat system.
It's PC gamer. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the guy probably has a beast system.
Weird, last years, games that recieve below 60% I find enjoyable, and games above 90% I find to be an utter crap.
They don't rate the quality of the game.
They rate the appeal to mass market. If a game will appeal to mass market (their readers/customers) they give it high. They might mention negative things, but they still rate it over 90%.
If a game will not appeal to mass market and try to attract a niche market, they will give it 50-60%. They are not really reviews, they are just predictions how well did they do in the general public.
They have nothing to do with movie critics, these usually do that the other way around.
REALITY CHECK
Because the game rating sites (such as this one) and magazines live off advertisement, game ratings are directly related to the received/expected ad revenue from the developer/publisher. A reviewer butchering a game from a high income source will find himself reviewing games no more.
Remember, these websites and mags sell ads. Reviews are just a means to that end, something to put in between the ads.
Is this review based on a comparison of sp to mmo?
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This right here pretty much sums it up.
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
You have to face reality. MMOs are just terrible when compared to single player games where gameplay is concerned.
FE has shitty FPS mechanics compared to other shooters and this is what those reviewers see. Honestly I'm starting to see things the same way.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
I'd say it's true.
Seems like a fair score to me. I weas in closed beta and couldn't muster the drive to login most days. Time spent certainly wasn't fun. Don't see how it can be seen as anything but rushed to beat the other Fallout MMOs out the door.
Lets be honest, FPS combat in FE isn't like a real FPS. Thats not a bad thing, and in an RPG like this one, where just about every player, enemy, or animal can move and have various stats that increase its ability to reduce damage or dodge attacks, its not like a FPS where you can expect dealing a set amount of damage to each player every time.
I love the combat, and I find it better then the tab and spam combat that the genre is used to. A good player can really make a difference in PvP or PvE based more on how he plays then what guide he found on the internet to build his character.
Lag is very rare for me in the game, even, and especially in PvP. The review sounds very critical to me.. and I find the weaponry (rifles, pistols, melee, grenades, etc) to be more then adequate. The clunky feel comes from your opponents, not the system. There were some pathing problems on mobs, and every now and then I still see an enemy or two that has issues. If I had any gripe about the combat system, it would be the problems with the NPC enemies. So many times have I attacked an enemy, saw the hit connect, but it doesn't register until the 2nd or 3rd hit. It doesn't happen all the time but it happens often enough to be noticeable.
The game isn't perfect, but its better then this review gives it credit for.
The problem with magazine reviewers is: They've played every game ever released on any system ever,and are bored, but just write reviews because it pays the bills.
I'm still gonna try this game because i can't help thinking "If only this world had some human players" while playing Fallout3 :P
Why are there so many cutesie, fantasy, childish MMO's. Give me blood, gore and a long lasting challenge. I don't need my hand being held along the way. Thanks.
Weird, last years, games that recieve below 60% I find enjoyable, and games above 90% I find to be an utter crap.
They don't rate the quality of the game.
They rate the appeal to mass market. If a game will appeal to mass market (their readers/customers) they give it high. They might mention negative things, but they still rate it over 90%.
If a game will not appeal to mass market and try to attract a niche market, they will give it 50-60%. They are not really reviews, they are just predictions how well did they do in the general public.
They have nothing to do with movie critics, these usually do that the other way around.
They rate the quality. Mass appeal usually comes from quality. Before you go off on a rant that I must play WoW and such let me tell you LOTRO is an amazing game gets tons of awards and yet it tops at 200k subs. Eve is probably the greatest niche game of all time and its reviews are great. I personally think this game is fun but the combat is clunky. The graphics aren't top notch. And alot of the game needs polish. That is why the review score was low. They clearly pointed out that the game has potential they just need to work out the kinks.
so what u saying u gave the game a 1 hour try and u think u a expert on it. go crawl back to wow or something plz.
i played FE as far back as the freinds and family beta. op i think u would like and hate the game thou.here ill give u some points about the game u may like some u may not like.
1. active combat. there no click and sleep like 99% the others on the market right now. its a + and a -. since they a idependent company that made their entire game engine their self. there are still bugs, memory leaks and lag. but every patch they fixing stuff and adding stuff to it. very few other mmos do something like that.
2.99% the items u use ingame are crafted. no real - anywhere here due to that since it a active battle system its very hard for there to be any bots and since its a independent company the farmers leave it alone.
3. very helpful community. its got ne of the best communitys ive seen in any game only one ive seen better is probaly ww2online but that one has some elitiest in it.
4. gms on more than any other game i ever played. not counting they very helpful also. in the freinds and family beta a gm met me and joined me on my ts server and helped me fix my cleint problems when i was crashing every 10 min. then in retail when my compete inventory disappared they helped me get it back within a hour. all other games i play u go to forums and post and pray in a week u get a response from gm. and wheni played wow for 2 months only 1 of 4 or so times i needed gm help was i ever helped so go figure on that.
5. graphics. u realy cant give them a neg on it. they made the game engine themself from scratch so u can expect problems.
6.economy the econmy in the game works good. even thou at launch the closed beta players had a edge due to knowing what sells good and what can be gotten from quests but works out good.
7. charcter customzation. there not much customization but there enough to make most people be able to get a charcter they enjoy to look at. over tim i belive they add more after the game gets smoothed out more.
8 charcter progression. is very good with the exception of if u a crafter u can build your charcter any way u want. for example if 10 people pvp all 10 with have slightly diffent builds and some diffent skills.
9.combat. the cambat is 100% active combat similar to a fps so there is always gonna be problems. if u lag u miss your target but thats tree of any game with this type of combat. but overall i like the combat more than any other mmo.
10. pvp. im not a big fan of pvp so cant realy put anything onhere about it.
overall with how pc gamer rates the game i would give it a 80% of 100. it has alot of potentional and like any mmo it is evolving. on the pc gamer reveiw of it i automaticaly thru that out when they compared it to a normal nonmmo pc game. that makes the review in my eyes lose all crediablity of the game. it means they lost the point of what they where reveiwing. also u realy cant compare fe to any other mmo on market right now since there there no other one set in similar gener as it thats out right now.closest would be darkfail aka darkfall and everyone knows its not similar but in a small amount of ways so i didnt bother using any comparsions.
on a whole most will like fe. its not a full sandbox its more of a semi sandbox cause besides the main story arcs u do what u want u dont have to do anything u dont realy want.FE is a game u have to play a month to see if u like u cant play it just for a few hours and cry then go back to your casual mmo. its not a full niche mmo either its a game that is growing. i would say fe will probaly be like eve keep slowly growing but never be a big hit but would grow slowly keeping people more than most mmos do.
OP if i was u i would give FE a try u might like it. its a game u either like it or u hate it. ive listed most of the good and neg points so u should be able to make a good decesion. me im currently not playing atm cause im playing citiesxl
Seems about right to me, though I wonder how they scored CO. FE, while having many flaws, still seemed less broken when I played it in beta than CO did when I tried the free event weekend. Not to mention the overall game design and intent is far better.
Comparisons to Fallout really can't be helped. This game is moreless attempting to be Fallout sans the lore. Trouble is, the Fallout lore is the best part.
I suspect that once the front end money commitment(I'll NEVER pay $50 for the box) becomes a non-issue, I suspect the game will creep its way to success much like Eve did.
so what u saying u gave the game a 1 hour try and u think u a expert on it. go crawl back to wow or something plz.
overall with how pc gamer rates the game i would give it a 80% of 100. it has alot of potentional and like any mmo it is evolving. on the pc gamer reveiw of it i automaticaly thru that out when they compared it to a normal nonmmo pc game. that makes the review in my eyes lose all crediablity of the game. it means they lost the point of what they where reveiwing. also u realy cant compare fe to any other mmo on market right now since there there no other one set in similar gener as it thats out right now.closest would be darkfail aka darkfall and everyone knows its not similar but in a small amount of ways so i didnt bother using any comparsions.
on a whole most will like fe. its not a full sandbox its more of a semi sandbox cause besides the main story arcs u do what u want u dont have to do anything u dont realy want.FE is a game u have to play a month to see if u like u cant play it just for a few hours and cry then go back to your casual mmo. its not a full niche mmo either its a game that is growing. i would say fe will probaly be like eve keep slowly growing but never be a big hit but would grow slowly keeping people more than most mmos do.
OP if i was u i would give FE a try u might like it. its a game u either like it or u hate it. ive listed most of the good and neg points so u should be able to make a good decesion. me im currently not playing atm cause im playing citiesxl
This is more of a reply to your poll, complaining about low budget MMO's being compared to big budget MMO's.
Simply put, if your small budget game costs the consumer the same amount of money as a big budget game, then it should be compared to those games.
The box is 50 bucks. the sub is $14.99. Nuff said.
so what u saying u gave the game a 1 hour try and u think u a expert on it. go crawl back to wow or something plz.
overall with how pc gamer rates the game i would give it a 80% of 100. it has alot of potentional and like any mmo it is evolving. on the pc gamer reveiw of it i automaticaly thru that out when they compared it to a normal nonmmo pc game. that makes the review in my eyes lose all crediablity of the game. it means they lost the point of what they where reveiwing. also u realy cant compare fe to any other mmo on market right now since there there no other one set in similar gener as it thats out right now.closest would be darkfail aka darkfall and everyone knows its not similar but in a small amount of ways so i didnt bother using any comparsions.
on a whole most will like fe. its not a full sandbox its more of a semi sandbox cause besides the main story arcs u do what u want u dont have to do anything u dont realy want.FE is a game u have to play a month to see if u like u cant play it just for a few hours and cry then go back to your casual mmo. its not a full niche mmo either its a game that is growing. i would say fe will probaly be like eve keep slowly growing but never be a big hit but would grow slowly keeping people more than most mmos do.
OP if i was u i would give FE a try u might like it. its a game u either like it or u hate it. ive listed most of the good and neg points so u should be able to make a good decesion. me im currently not playing atm cause im playing citiesxl
This is more of a reply to your poll, complaining about low budget MMO's being compared to big budget MMO's.
Simply put, if your small budget game costs the consumer the same amount of money as a big budget game, then it should be compared to those games.
The box is 50 bucks. the sub is $14.99. Nuff said.
u didnt read the review very carefuly do u. they used a comparison to a nonmmo game as part of a reveiw anyone knows thats a no no so to speak. and using price to say it be compared is a null arguement. 99% of all games now days price is 49.99 no matter the publisher so could u get off your high horse and give a valid point instead of random garble plz. anyone knows u never compare a whole indy budget game to a big budget game like wow. u can compare points of play but never as a whole.
it just seems to me u read what u want and dont read enough to make a good enough decison. me i look at it this way when i buy a game. its 49.99 x 15$ a month (usd) times xxx number of hours. think i played about how much i play and that makes it a good price to pay makes it overall cheaper than watching tv if u get preium cable channels now days.
give some valid points to your arguemnt then maybe it can be considered but as a player of many diffent types of mmos and regular pc games without any real reasons i dont see any point in what u are saying.
and also dont forget that my whole post was to show the OP that the way PC mag reveiwed the game was wrong. its one of the reasons i stoped bying pc mag years ago.
so what u saying u gave the game a 1 hour try and u think u a expert on it. go crawl back to wow or something plz.
overall with how pc gamer rates the game i would give it a 80% of 100. it has alot of potentional and like any mmo it is evolving. on the pc gamer reveiw of it i automaticaly thru that out when they compared it to a normal nonmmo pc game. that makes the review in my eyes lose all crediablity of the game. it means they lost the point of what they where reveiwing. also u realy cant compare fe to any other mmo on market right now since there there no other one set in similar gener as it thats out right now.closest would be darkfail aka darkfall and everyone knows its not similar but in a small amount of ways so i didnt bother using any comparsions.
on a whole most will like fe. its not a full sandbox its more of a semi sandbox cause besides the main story arcs u do what u want u dont have to do anything u dont realy want.FE is a game u have to play a month to see if u like u cant play it just for a few hours and cry then go back to your casual mmo. its not a full niche mmo either its a game that is growing. i would say fe will probaly be like eve keep slowly growing but never be a big hit but would grow slowly keeping people more than most mmos do.
OP if i was u i would give FE a try u might like it. its a game u either like it or u hate it. ive listed most of the good and neg points so u should be able to make a good decesion. me im currently not playing atm cause im playing citiesxl
This is more of a reply to your poll, complaining about low budget MMO's being compared to big budget MMO's.
Simply put, if your small budget game costs the consumer the same amount of money as a big budget game, then it should be compared to those games.
The box is 50 bucks. the sub is $14.99. Nuff said.
You're right, and honestly, the game hangs just fine with the big budget games. I think its better then a great deal of bigger budget games from more "solid" developers. The only difference is, they had tons more advertising, whereas FE doesn't have much advertising at all. So many times people get drawn into all the hype of those big budgeters, and very rarely they perform. FE outperforms some of those other titles, hands down.
I remember when SWG first came out magazines did nothing but bash the hell out of it and give it like 4's and 6s when i was like haha stupid review.