I'm convinced after reading your article that I should leave my wife. Her graphics are dated and the grind just isn't what it used to be. I'm also suspicious that down the road she might even be going free2play. Wouldn't it just figure that I bought the lifetime subscription too... I really wish now that I had just gone with the month to month plan.
Don't be ridiculous, your wife will have an item shop before she goes entirely f2p.
That was a very good reed and a lot of it sums up the way I feel about lotro. Having the lifetime account is just the only reason why I have not punted yet. Your artilce was very good.
I'm convinced after reading your article that I should leave my wife. Her graphics are dated and the grind just isn't what it used to be. I'm also suspicious that down the road she might even be going free2play. Wouldn't it just figure that I bought the lifetime subscription too... I really wish now that I had just gone with the month to month plan.
Warhammer online totally ignored #3. Same exact game without any 'little" things added. Really. (there is the failed LOTD, but who can be there while their city is under seige?)
Interesting article, fresh and fun if nothing else. Not entirely as nitty-gritty as I thought it would be, but definitely a new line of thinking for a blog post.
An interesting concept that wasn't touched on was 'after you quit, and decide to return, when is it really time to quit again'?
... or perhaps that's the title of the next installment: '5 reasons why you should pick that title back up'.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc. We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be. So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away. - MMO_Doubter
Good article. Would have liked to see a segment entitled, "Sex with the ex. Why going back to MMO titles feels great for a while, but rarely works out long term."
For point of reference I just cancelled my WoW subscription for the 5th time.
really good article. Point #1 was spot on. It sums up perfectly why I choose not to play ANY mmorpgs anymore. The bottom line, none is worth $15 a month -- not even close. let alone something more valuable then $15 -- my time.
Very good article and dead on true. I was complaining recently about the scumbag Bobby who's running Activision now who owns Blizzard now. Another of the long time members here told me I shouldn't give my money to any of these companies because they were all thieves. I thought about it and decided he was right. I have quit all my online games. I am so sick of grind, grind, grind. Till they can come of with something new, I'm done with playing online mmo's. Seems the only thing they can come up with now is go kill X amount of something/someone. It's either kill something, blow up something or steal something. Boring. So I'm now waiting for the next best thing like everyone else is. Except I'm not giving any of them my money, lol. I'm currently back to playing my single player games and having fun. I think a lot more people need to read this article and wake up to reality. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee cuz the toast is on fire. Thanks for a good article.
yep -- no sense flipping from game to game -- there are no mmorpgs out there worth the time or the $$$. sad, but very true.
I'm convinced after reading your article that I should leave my wife. Her graphics are dated and the grind just isn't what it used to be. I'm also suspicious that down the road she might even be going free2play. Wouldn't it just figure that I bought the lifetime subscription too... I really wish now that I had just gone with the month to month plan.
Great article and so true. I've been feeling all these things ever since Atlantica turned from a glorious unique treasure to an item mall cheat/grind. Many of us there only stay because we spent so much money when it was "Good and fair"...lol The guilt of not logging in because I'm having more fun with a little 2-d sandbox game called Haven and Hearth kind of goes with the feeling of "cheating" on the relationship I've had with ATO for a over a year..lol But after all the abuse from that relationship ...yeah...I'm just not into it anymore and should p[robably follow the other 80% of the player base who have left it now...but I HOLD ON like a romantic dreamer. Lots of truth and logic in this article.
When are we going to have this article: “Five ways to write a article which lists five ways about something relevant to MMO’s?”
I liked the way this was written so clearly as a MMO’s are like your girlfriend article but he never actually says that. Some poor darling somewhere might take offence.
Samatmanis is probably right about his wife but she will want him to get a cat or two before she goes F2P. Just don’t give her your credit card when the item shop opens and you may be able to bail out with your finances intact.
That has opened my eyes a little to some of the MMO's I play! Totally gonna let a mate take a look at this casue hes constanbtly defending an MMO that just doesnt do it for me anymore!
#5 - I've never met a group of so called friends that I've stuck with in all the years I've played MMO's since Everquest. At best people are merely a loose collective operating under a guild to achieve goals. Main goal being to get better items for themselves. Most of the time when that doesn't happen, the group cannot provide for the people they move on leaving their "friends" for other "friends" to get more for themselves.
Its relatively easy to meet new people in MMO's. Just find someone who needs help and stick with them. But like the previous statement you'll find that once you no longer benefit them these "friends" move elsewhere.
#4 - Having limited time to play makes me extremely frustrated if a game mechanic makes me waste my time. If it takes too long to do something I leave.
#3 - Patches which implement nerfs that directly affect me and the class I play have lead me to quit games. In particular DAOC when they nerfed left axe on berserkers. Other games like EQ when all the hidden stealth nerfs were beginning to get uncovered by players, ignored and denied by dev's only to have them finally admit to the stealth nerfs/penalties and then remove them. Stuff like that, dishonesty and poor testing by dev's = loss of subscription and me bad mouthing them to everyone to not bother buying that game.
#2 - Kind of goes with #4 I haven't bothered with raiding since EQ. It required ridiculous amounts of time to raid and I swore to never do it again. Usually once I get to that level of a game that requires raiding I move on, either creating alts or simply quitting. The one thing I stick by is that I feel people play because they fear missing out on something. Not that they actually like doing what they're doing. They keep plugging away daily because they think that one day they don't show up their Uber Axe of Uberness might've dropped.
#1 - I get bored easily, I often get my RL friend into certain MMO's. Usually I spend time talking about it until my friend gets into the game. Then a week later he asks where I am and I've moved to another. He usually gets frustrated at me having lost interest and moving to another game so fast. This year alone I've played, Requiem, EQ2, LOTRO, WOW, DDO, Alganon, SWG... all for months at a time before quitting.
I haven't been into a mmorpg except for planetside, swg, and guildwars. OK... Maybe WoW too for a while when it first came out O:-) But now its just so obvious to me I am not into a new one, with definite similarities to the article, which I thought was very good! It is almost embarrassingly true how interrelated our relationships with games are to romantic relationships?
When I was playing those games, I had friends who played them, and me and my friends never did anything just for our own gain/to become more powerful. We did it because it was fun! I think that is what separates my more recent experiences from those past ones. I feel like developers today do not trust us to have fun on our own and instead manipulate the game to make us strive for arbitrary achievements. There has always been grinding and achievements and stuff, but I feel like theres been more pressure (especially in the community) to think self-centeredly ever since the success of WoW, onset of linear mmorpgs, and destruction of swg.
Now all the mmorpgs herd us around and I just cant get that feel for social and world exploration. Oh, plus I am a lot more busy with real life, that is probably part of it :-D
I'm convinced after reading your article that I should leave my wife. Her graphics are dated and the grind just isn't what it used to be. I'm also suspicious that down the road she might even be going free2play. Wouldn't it just figure that I bought the lifetime subscription too... I really wish now that I had just gone with the month to month plan.
I'm convinced after reading your article that I should leave my wife. Her graphics are dated and the grind just isn't what it used to be. I'm also suspicious that down the road she might even be going free2play. Wouldn't it just figure that I bought the lifetime subscription too... I really wish now that I had just gone with the month to month plan.
this made me lol .... i am sure in the ToS it says something about canceling your sub... might have to find a lawyer to nullify tho...but make sure you cancel your cards if you do.
btw i think its funny how they used pics from WoW for this article....
Why did I feel like this article was talking about my relationship with my current girlfriend and not my current MMO? Lol...*sigh*
anyways...good article but I think it's kind of obvious what Jon Wood is trying to get people to do. And that is to break up with their beloved WoW and try a new game for heavens sake!!
#2 is the reason people play games, to achieve and get rewarded for doing so. Let's be truthful there isn't anything magical about any MMO out there. Either it's fun (a lot of which comes from rewards) or it's not. There's not something magical about the world, the lore, or the community. It's just fun or it isn't.
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Don't be ridiculous, your wife will have an item shop before she goes entirely f2p.
That was a very good reed and a lot of it sums up the way I feel about lotro. Having the lifetime account is just the only reason why I have not punted yet. Your artilce was very good.
Classic!
PS: I hope it works out for you
Warhammer online totally ignored #3. Same exact game without any 'little" things added. Really. (there is the failed LOTD, but who can be there while their city is under seige?)
Interesting article, fresh and fun if nothing else. Not entirely as nitty-gritty as I thought it would be, but definitely a new line of thinking for a blog post.
An interesting concept that wasn't touched on was 'after you quit, and decide to return, when is it really time to quit again'?
... or perhaps that's the title of the next installment: '5 reasons why you should pick that title back up'.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away.
- MMO_Doubter
Good article. Would have liked to see a segment entitled, "Sex with the ex. Why going back to MMO titles feels great for a while, but rarely works out long term."
For point of reference I just cancelled my WoW subscription for the 5th time.
MUNDO!!
So true, good graphics have lured many people to their mmo doom.
Good read and so true, Im smiling and not at the same time, scarry combination :P
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really good article. Point #1 was spot on. It sums up perfectly why I choose not to play ANY mmorpgs anymore. The bottom line, none is worth $15 a month -- not even close. let alone something more valuable then $15 -- my time.
yep -- no sense flipping from game to game -- there are no mmorpgs out there worth the time or the $$$. sad, but very true.
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Great article and so true. I've been feeling all these things ever since Atlantica turned from a glorious unique treasure to an item mall cheat/grind. Many of us there only stay because we spent so much money when it was "Good and fair"...lol The guilt of not logging in because I'm having more fun with a little 2-d sandbox game called Haven and Hearth kind of goes with the feeling of "cheating" on the relationship I've had with ATO for a over a year..lol But after all the abuse from that relationship ...yeah...I'm just not into it anymore and should p[robably follow the other 80% of the player base who have left it now...but I HOLD ON like a romantic dreamer. Lots of truth and logic in this article.
Good article and so true. Got all the 5 feelings :]
When are we going to have this article: “Five ways to write a article which lists five ways about something relevant to MMO’s?”
I liked the way this was written so clearly as a MMO’s are like your girlfriend article but he never actually says that. Some poor darling somewhere might take offence.
Samatmanis is probably right about his wife but she will want him to get a cat or two before she goes F2P. Just don’t give her your credit card when the item shop opens and you may be able to bail out with your finances intact.
Thanks Jon,
That has opened my eyes a little to some of the MMO's I play! Totally gonna let a mate take a look at this casue hes constanbtly defending an MMO that just doesnt do it for me anymore!
#5 - I've never met a group of so called friends that I've stuck with in all the years I've played MMO's since Everquest. At best people are merely a loose collective operating under a guild to achieve goals. Main goal being to get better items for themselves. Most of the time when that doesn't happen, the group cannot provide for the people they move on leaving their "friends" for other "friends" to get more for themselves.
Its relatively easy to meet new people in MMO's. Just find someone who needs help and stick with them. But like the previous statement you'll find that once you no longer benefit them these "friends" move elsewhere.
#4 - Having limited time to play makes me extremely frustrated if a game mechanic makes me waste my time. If it takes too long to do something I leave.
#3 - Patches which implement nerfs that directly affect me and the class I play have lead me to quit games. In particular DAOC when they nerfed left axe on berserkers. Other games like EQ when all the hidden stealth nerfs were beginning to get uncovered by players, ignored and denied by dev's only to have them finally admit to the stealth nerfs/penalties and then remove them. Stuff like that, dishonesty and poor testing by dev's = loss of subscription and me bad mouthing them to everyone to not bother buying that game.
#2 - Kind of goes with #4 I haven't bothered with raiding since EQ. It required ridiculous amounts of time to raid and I swore to never do it again. Usually once I get to that level of a game that requires raiding I move on, either creating alts or simply quitting. The one thing I stick by is that I feel people play because they fear missing out on something. Not that they actually like doing what they're doing. They keep plugging away daily because they think that one day they don't show up their Uber Axe of Uberness might've dropped.
#1 - I get bored easily, I often get my RL friend into certain MMO's. Usually I spend time talking about it until my friend gets into the game. Then a week later he asks where I am and I've moved to another. He usually gets frustrated at me having lost interest and moving to another game so fast. This year alone I've played, Requiem, EQ2, LOTRO, WOW, DDO, Alganon, SWG... all for months at a time before quitting.
I haven't been into a mmorpg except for planetside, swg, and guildwars. OK... Maybe WoW too for a while when it first came out O:-) But now its just so obvious to me I am not into a new one, with definite similarities to the article, which I thought was very good! It is almost embarrassingly true how interrelated our relationships with games are to romantic relationships?
When I was playing those games, I had friends who played them, and me and my friends never did anything just for our own gain/to become more powerful. We did it because it was fun! I think that is what separates my more recent experiences from those past ones. I feel like developers today do not trust us to have fun on our own and instead manipulate the game to make us strive for arbitrary achievements. There has always been grinding and achievements and stuff, but I feel like theres been more pressure (especially in the community) to think self-centeredly ever since the success of WoW, onset of linear mmorpgs, and destruction of swg.
Now all the mmorpgs herd us around and I just cant get that feel for social and world exploration. Oh, plus I am a lot more busy with real life, that is probably part of it :-D
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best post ever!
Shit... According to that list I should have stopped playing MMOs in 2005
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No truer words spoken by the OP. I'm not into it of late because all mmos look alike and play alike.
this made me lol .... i am sure in the ToS it says something about canceling your sub... might have to find a lawyer to nullify tho...but make sure you cancel your cards if you do.
btw i think its funny how they used pics from WoW for this article....
Why did I feel like this article was talking about my relationship with my current girlfriend and not my current MMO? Lol...*sigh*
anyways...good article but I think it's kind of obvious what Jon Wood is trying to get people to do. And that is to break up with their beloved WoW and try a new game for heavens sake!!
These are all common things to any MMO, I like the article because these things may not be so evident to the massive WoW population.
So in a way I see this article as "Hey guys, you played WoW for long enough...move on!"
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#2 is the reason people play games, to achieve and get rewarded for doing so. Let's be truthful there isn't anything magical about any MMO out there. Either it's fun (a lot of which comes from rewards) or it's not. There's not something magical about the world, the lore, or the community. It's just fun or it isn't.