Since you need at least 5 minutes per to make sure you are banning legit
since your wall of text is based on this; how sure are you about this? If i were to use a method for banning i would have a code to narrow it down, instead of looking for 5 minutes.
account active for 22+ hours a day ---> add to watch list account kinah trade in a day more than 10m ---> add to watch list
these are the most basic things even i can think of; they pobably have alot more complicated, on point methods which in the end requires one person to look at a long list of numbers and gives a goon banning.
Let's say that NCsoft actually did what they said and banned 27,000 accounts. You people do realize that these Botters will simply buy another copy of the game and start a new account. Ok, so 27,000 x $40 is almost 1.1 million dollars. Do you seriously think that NCsoft didnt plan this? Once these Botters get new accounts, NCsoft will let them go about their botting business for another month or so and then they will mass ban a whole new batch of them yet again and make over a million dollars yet again.
Folks, NCsoft is in business to make money and these tactics prove that they are good at it.
Yes, I have played Aion since beta and I like the game but I am realistic about what is going on here. Well, at least I will get a week or 2 before the Botters are back at full strength so I may as well enjoy it while I can.
Well among those banned are also innocents like myself whose only crime apparenty is being good at harvesting for crafting. Before i get slammed let me state a few facts...
1) I have NEVER EVER bought ingame currency for ANY GAME EVER.
2) I have NEVER EVER used third party programs
3) I have NEVER EVER used macros...the single macro on my account a friend had to help me make and it is for launching a caht tab for the fortress raid legion.
4) I spend a hour a few times a week harvesting..collecting between 200-300 pieces of whatever it is i need for crafting.
5) I spend several hours a day gaming..yes I have a life but when you are stuck at home and everyone else is at work or school, I game.
6) I was standing in front of the warehouse..I hadn't even harvested a single thing or killed anything when I got banned.
7) Only thign i had done ealier int he day was harvest less than 200 titanium and 100 gold ore.
8) I had filed a petition cause I got stuck in a hole after kiling Farmer Havjark (sp)...got NO GM Help witht hat but was told when i filed i was third in lilne and it was a 23 minute wait. I ended up using a scrol to get back since the cooldown on my return wasnt back up. Then had to pay to get back to where i was harvesting. When the survey came asking bout my experience with the petiion..i todl the truth...that I as unhappy and never got a GM response and had to use a scroll ot get out thus losing the boss drop.
9) I was banned 4 hours AFTER i logged back in frmo havesting titanium so I could craft some armor for a legion friend and to sell.
10) Filed a ticket have gotten absolutely NO SUPPORT whatso ever.
I have been a loyal customer with NCSoft for nearly 5 years now. I have played at some point just bout every game they have had except orignal Lineage. I have never had so much as a warning on my account.
Innocent people do get caught up in the bot banning...my only crime is being good at harvesting and knowing where the good nodes are. I have watched the same bot farm for days non stop...that bot was still running around when I got banned. So now instead of enjoying a game i had grown to love..over a holiday where I could play with friends...I get to fight with NCSoft to get my account back..and they seem to be doing nothing but dragging their feet...holiday or not..if the game is runnign support should be there.
btw..my xfire tag is wrong..i tend to forget to log into xfire while gaming if my friends are not on it
You all realize that NCsoft doesnt ban botters for the legit players right? Do you think those botters go away? No they buy new accounts and come back. thus NCsoft just set themselfs up to sell another 11k copies of the game.
The botters arent buying the games..they are either using trial accounts or hacked accounts.. If they were really buying accounts, NC profits would be triple what it is
You all realize that NCsoft doesnt ban botters for the legit players right? Do you think those botters go away? No they buy new accounts and come back. thus NCsoft just set themselfs up to sell another 11k copies of the game.
The botters arent buying the games..they are either using trial accounts or hacked accounts.. If they were really buying accounts, NC profits would be triple what it is
No botters normally buy accounts. But they generally use stolen credit cards to do so. But some do not and purchase the accounts with legitment credit cards and game time cards. Anyone can pickup a throwaway credit card at walmart or any other market like that. The amount of money these botters make selling there gold is normally more then ncsoft will make just selling copies of the game. The RMT market is dealing in Billions of Dollars. So a couple thousand $40 game box's is nothing but a drop in the bucket for them. $400k spent on game boxs vers 100 million they will make back from gold sales.. I will say thats a fairly good trade off at the end of the day.
The sad thing about Bot's and RMT is that most of these people that do partake in Botting and selling the gold to the gold salers market are just normal joe people trying to make a little extra $$ on the side. I've been in my share of large guilds from WoW to Aion to EQ2.. And its not uncommon for several members to have side accounts they use for botting up a second character or making a little extra $$ on the side. You would be very suprised see what the picture really looks like from the other side and where the RMT gold generally does come from.
Thats great but 27k botters shows you how bad of a game design Aion is. Botters do not work unless they get money, which requires buyers, buyers do not buy unless the game is designed poorly and allows "Hardcore" games a huge advanage which in turn makes buyers want/need to buy to keep up. This being a PvPvE game, gamers will want to keep up with rivials and others which forces them to go to "botters" which shows that the game is designed poorly. Also goes to show you that Aion's numbers are way off, 27k botters banned shows that Botters are being counted as active subs which throws their numbers out the window. Also if 27k botters got banned then how many are left and how many of those 27k that were banned are already back in game?
A lot of those were actual players who were using bot programs to level quickly or people who but Kinah and got caught. As for bad game design, I think its more of a case of how shady people are, if given a chance most will cheat.
Also if botting and gold farming is a sign of bad game design then every MMO ever made is poorly designed since everyone of them has bots and gold sellers in them.
27,000 players banned for botting, thats £270,000 a month in revenue lost.. Now show me proof of that bans??? hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Don't be an idiot.
What you have to keep in mind here is that they might not actually be banning anything. This could be just PR spin to retain current subscribers.
Right. This is the real issue. They are releasing a lot of PR, but they were saying good things about banning bots during the first month as well. However, I saw no action that actually supported their PR releases.
For now this is all just a bunch of numbers that I care nothing about. What I need is to see video of typical bost-infested areas, taken over the course of a few days, that's NOT taken by anyone who is working with NC Soft. The bottom line is that I simply don't trust them.
I spent so-called "closed beta" and head start dealing with the bots (and reporting them). I reported bots in Live (a number of which were the same bots from head start) every day for the first week until my ability to submit petitions mysteriously broke (the support ticket for which was "elevated to a senior GM" and then flatly ignored up to the point that I canceled my account). I saw the same bots that I reported every fracking day continue wide out in the open, ostensibly 24hrs a day, flat out ignored by NC Soft all while NC posted anti-bot PR on the web.
If NC Soft wants my money again they will apologize to me for... ahem... losing my support ticket and then they'll SHOW me that there's actual substance behind their words. Otherwise they can stuff their empty PR straight up their turkey.
27,000 players banned for botting, thats £270,000 a month in revenue lost.. Now show me proof of that bans??? hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Don't be an idiot.
What you have to keep in mind here is that they might not actually be banning anything. This could be just PR spin to retain current subscribers.
Right. This is the real issue. They are releasing a lot of PR, but they were saying good things about banning bots during the first month as well. However, I saw no action that actually supported their PR releases.
For now this is all just a bunch of numbers that I care nothing about. What I need is to see video of typical bost-infested areas, taken over the course of a few days, that's NOT taken by anyone who is working with NC Soft. The bottom line is that I simply don't trust them.
I spent so-called "closed beta" and head start dealing with the bots (and reporting them). I reported bots in Live (a number of which were the same bots from head start) every day for the first week until my ability to submit petitions mysteriously broke (the support ticket for which was "elevated to a senior GM" and then flatly ignored up to the point that I canceled my account). I saw the same bots that I reported every fracking day continue wide out in the open, ostensibly 24hrs a day, flat out ignored by NC Soft all while NC posted anti-bot PR on the web.
If NC Soft wants my money again they will apologize to me for... ahem... losing my support ticket and then they'll SHOW me that there's actual substance behind their words. Otherwise they can stuff their empty PR straight up their turkey.
well said pr is well pr just used to bolster revenue for the game just like a conveniently placed video would be a distraction?
Most of you sucks you know? If they don't ban the bots you are like "OMG THEY DO NOTHING!@!@, I QUIT!@!*****!*@"
If they start banning bots you are like "HM, NO THIS IS JUST PR...." or " THEY WILL EARN MORE MONEY FROM BOTS IF THEY BAn THEM!@!(*@!" or "THIS IS FISHY, PLOX SHOW PROVES" or "(insert here)". But anyway, so you know and as someone has already said , i'd say like 70% from bots are using stolen cc and are "owned" by the gold seller sites. So those bans are good in the long run even if they lose a little money, BUT not as someone said like 1+ mil.
mmorpg has the most : trolls,haters,mind readers, future seekers,"Gods",ANALysts, QQers .. you name it from all the MMO sites over the internet.
But in the end you will end up being what you want. Most of us who like Aion will keep playing it, while you will end up like "oh well, what should I do for the next few hours, as I have nothing to play because I QQ alot"
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
According to the official forums. The thread behind that link has been deleted, but there's more QQ in other threads.
I just love the taste of salt in their tears.
Notification: Is my observation wrong, or is the "Chinese Goldseller Botters" really just a phrase because to me it looks like most botters are actually from NA?
EDIT: In that removed thread was a poster I think was golden. He/she was planning to subpoena NCSoft because of the ban he/she received from botting. Can someone be much more arrogant?
And you know all of them are bots by? yeah sure there can be some of them bots but in your video all you did was gliding not even trying to talk to them or even try inviting them to see if they are bots or no.
You think there's any game without bots? yeah sure..
Bash them if they don't do anything bash them if they try do something, riight
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since your wall of text is based on this; how sure are you about this? If i were to use a method for banning i would have a code to narrow it down, instead of looking for 5 minutes.
account active for 22+ hours a day ---> add to watch list
account kinah trade in a day more than 10m ---> add to watch list
these are the most basic things even i can think of; they pobably have alot more complicated, on point methods which in the end requires one person to look at a long list of numbers and gives a goon banning.
I need more vespene gas.
Glad to hear. My hope is that I will beable to try aion out before this yeas is done
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Let's say that NCsoft actually did what they said and banned 27,000 accounts. You people do realize that these Botters will simply buy another copy of the game and start a new account.
Ok, so 27,000 x $40 is almost 1.1 million dollars. Do you seriously think that NCsoft didnt plan this?
Once these Botters get new accounts, NCsoft will let them go about their botting business for another month or so and then they will mass ban a whole new batch of them yet again and make over a million dollars yet again.
Folks, NCsoft is in business to make money and these tactics prove that they are good at it.
Yes, I have played Aion since beta and I like the game but I am realistic about what is going on here.
Well, at least I will get a week or 2 before the Botters are back at full strength so I may as well enjoy it while I can.
Well among those banned are also innocents like myself whose only crime apparenty is being good at harvesting for crafting. Before i get slammed let me state a few facts...
1) I have NEVER EVER bought ingame currency for ANY GAME EVER.
2) I have NEVER EVER used third party programs
3) I have NEVER EVER used macros...the single macro on my account a friend had to help me make and it is for launching a caht tab for the fortress raid legion.
4) I spend a hour a few times a week harvesting..collecting between 200-300 pieces of whatever it is i need for crafting.
5) I spend several hours a day gaming..yes I have a life but when you are stuck at home and everyone else is at work or school, I game.
6) I was standing in front of the warehouse..I hadn't even harvested a single thing or killed anything when I got banned.
7) Only thign i had done ealier int he day was harvest less than 200 titanium and 100 gold ore.
8) I had filed a petition cause I got stuck in a hole after kiling Farmer Havjark (sp)...got NO GM Help witht hat but was told when i filed i was third in lilne and it was a 23 minute wait. I ended up using a scrol to get back since the cooldown on my return wasnt back up. Then had to pay to get back to where i was harvesting. When the survey came asking bout my experience with the petiion..i todl the truth...that I as unhappy and never got a GM response and had to use a scroll ot get out thus losing the boss drop.
9) I was banned 4 hours AFTER i logged back in frmo havesting titanium so I could craft some armor for a legion friend and to sell.
10) Filed a ticket have gotten absolutely NO SUPPORT whatso ever.
I have been a loyal customer with NCSoft for nearly 5 years now. I have played at some point just bout every game they have had except orignal Lineage. I have never had so much as a warning on my account.
Innocent people do get caught up in the bot banning...my only crime is being good at harvesting and knowing where the good nodes are. I have watched the same bot farm for days non stop...that bot was still running around when I got banned. So now instead of enjoying a game i had grown to love..over a holiday where I could play with friends...I get to fight with NCSoft to get my account back..and they seem to be doing nothing but dragging their feet...holiday or not..if the game is runnign support should be there.
btw..my xfire tag is wrong..i tend to forget to log into xfire while gaming if my friends are not on it
The botters arent buying the games..they are either using trial accounts or hacked accounts.. If they were really buying accounts, NC profits would be triple what it is
The botters arent buying the games..they are either using trial accounts or hacked accounts.. If they were really buying accounts, NC profits would be triple what it is
No botters normally buy accounts. But they generally use stolen credit cards to do so. But some do not and purchase the accounts with legitment credit cards and game time cards. Anyone can pickup a throwaway credit card at walmart or any other market like that. The amount of money these botters make selling there gold is normally more then ncsoft will make just selling copies of the game. The RMT market is dealing in Billions of Dollars. So a couple thousand $40 game box's is nothing but a drop in the bucket for them. $400k spent on game boxs vers 100 million they will make back from gold sales.. I will say thats a fairly good trade off at the end of the day.
The sad thing about Bot's and RMT is that most of these people that do partake in Botting and selling the gold to the gold salers market are just normal joe people trying to make a little extra $$ on the side. I've been in my share of large guilds from WoW to Aion to EQ2.. And its not uncommon for several members to have side accounts they use for botting up a second character or making a little extra $$ on the side. You would be very suprised see what the picture really looks like from the other side and where the RMT gold generally does come from.
A lot of those were actual players who were using bot programs to level quickly or people who but Kinah and got caught. As for bad game design, I think its more of a case of how shady people are, if given a chance most will cheat.
Also if botting and gold farming is a sign of bad game design then every MMO ever made is poorly designed since everyone of them has bots and gold sellers in them.
Don't be an idiot.
What you have to keep in mind here is that they might not actually be banning anything. This could be just PR spin to retain current subscribers.
Right. This is the real issue. They are releasing a lot of PR, but they were saying good things about banning bots during the first month as well. However, I saw no action that actually supported their PR releases.
For now this is all just a bunch of numbers that I care nothing about. What I need is to see video of typical bost-infested areas, taken over the course of a few days, that's NOT taken by anyone who is working with NC Soft. The bottom line is that I simply don't trust them.
I spent so-called "closed beta" and head start dealing with the bots (and reporting them). I reported bots in Live (a number of which were the same bots from head start) every day for the first week until my ability to submit petitions mysteriously broke (the support ticket for which was "elevated to a senior GM" and then flatly ignored up to the point that I canceled my account). I saw the same bots that I reported every fracking day continue wide out in the open, ostensibly 24hrs a day, flat out ignored by NC Soft all while NC posted anti-bot PR on the web.
If NC Soft wants my money again they will apologize to me for... ahem... losing my support ticket and then they'll SHOW me that there's actual substance behind their words. Otherwise they can stuff their empty PR straight up their turkey.
Don't be an idiot.
What you have to keep in mind here is that they might not actually be banning anything. This could be just PR spin to retain current subscribers.
Right. This is the real issue. They are releasing a lot of PR, but they were saying good things about banning bots during the first month as well. However, I saw no action that actually supported their PR releases.
For now this is all just a bunch of numbers that I care nothing about. What I need is to see video of typical bost-infested areas, taken over the course of a few days, that's NOT taken by anyone who is working with NC Soft. The bottom line is that I simply don't trust them.
I spent so-called "closed beta" and head start dealing with the bots (and reporting them). I reported bots in Live (a number of which were the same bots from head start) every day for the first week until my ability to submit petitions mysteriously broke (the support ticket for which was "elevated to a senior GM" and then flatly ignored up to the point that I canceled my account). I saw the same bots that I reported every fracking day continue wide out in the open, ostensibly 24hrs a day, flat out ignored by NC Soft all while NC posted anti-bot PR on the web.
If NC Soft wants my money again they will apologize to me for... ahem... losing my support ticket and then they'll SHOW me that there's actual substance behind their words. Otherwise they can stuff their empty PR straight up their turkey.
well said pr is well pr just used to bolster revenue for the game just like a conveniently placed video would be a distraction?
Blah ...
Most of you sucks you know? If they don't ban the bots you are like "OMG THEY DO NOTHING!@!@, I QUIT!@!*****!*@"
If they start banning bots you are like "HM, NO THIS IS JUST PR...." or " THEY WILL EARN MORE MONEY FROM BOTS IF THEY BAn THEM!@!(*@!" or "THIS IS FISHY, PLOX SHOW PROVES" or "(insert here)". But anyway, so you know and as someone has already said , i'd say like 70% from bots are using stolen cc and are "owned" by the gold seller sites. So those bans are good in the long run even if they lose a little money, BUT not as someone said like 1+ mil.
mmorpg has the most : trolls,haters,mind readers, future seekers,"Gods",ANALysts, QQers .. you name it
from all the MMO sites over the internet.
But in the end you will end up being what you want. Most of us who like Aion will keep playing it, while you will end up like "oh well, what should I do for the next few hours, as I have nothing to play because I QQ alot"
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
After the last maintenance telemachus is 95% bot free , they simply banned them all.
To know if a company keeps promises , well i guess u have to play the game.
Aion is moving forward , ncsoft released INGAME FOOTAGE of future expansions not walls of text .
I say good job Ncsoft give us the real stuff .
Their actions have been effective.
According to the official forums. The thread behind that link has been deleted, but there's more QQ in other threads.
I just love the taste of salt in their tears.
Notification: Is my observation wrong, or is the "Chinese Goldseller Botters" really just a phrase because to me it looks like most botters are actually from NA?
EDIT: In that removed thread was a poster I think was golden. He/she was planning to subpoena NCSoft because of the ban he/she received from botting. Can someone be much more arrogant?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIeSUiHhtsA
And you know all of them are bots by? yeah sure there can be some of them bots but in your video all you did was gliding not even trying to talk to them or even try inviting them to see if they are bots or no.
You think there's any game without bots? yeah sure..
Bash them if they don't do anything bash them if they try do something, riight
It's good to see NCSoft banning more bots