Nothing is really stopping you from playing it, you're treating it as if it's some Ex-Girlfriend you swore you wont go back to. I don't understand when people say they "Quit" MMORPG's and then come out with "I MISS IT , SHOULD I REALLY GO BACK". It's not a life threatening decision, if you want to play a game..go ahead play it.
Dark has a point if you think you miss it or just have the urge try it out again. it is just like calling up that ex you swore because you are in a slump and have an urge don't be afraid to make that call get your fix and move on. I've started and stopped wow at least 5 times since its release and I always went back for a few reasons, namely it was easy to run on my pos comp, my friends were there and I have yet to find anything else enjoyable i can run on my comp.
Not that I didn't have any fun in it but I don't miss it one bit and am very happily occupied with DF right now.
You can't miss something you NEVER experienced....
Come back when you played it in 2010 and then compare it to the piece of ... DF is.
And to ALL the above: YOU .... on WOW because you miss it and now NEED to find another game and simply can't find it.
In the end it is all about frustration.
Just look at my signature and face the mirror.
See, Zorndorf, this is what makes you such a chode. I don't even know why I bothered to reply to you.
I very respectfully disagreed with you. I even gave examples for why I felt the way I do, and then asked honest questions, and still you reply w/ a big "eff you" to everyone simply because they don't feel the same way you do. For fuck's sake, calm down. We're not all out to get you and/or your game. If you enjoy WoW, then by all means play it. I won't tell you anything different. But at least realize that just because someone doesn't share your opinion it doesn't make them wrong.
Back on topic - the reasons I posted in my reply to Zorn (such as WoW becoming a lobby-style game) are reason enough for me not to go back. I enjoy the experience of playing through the content in games, and dungeon-hopping gets old fast. Of course, I know I could make the choice to play through the game as I see fit, but I still feel like most people won't do this, so the world will feel mostly empty and less "alive".
No godless person can comprehend those minute distinctions in doctrine that provide true believers excuse for mayhem. -Glen Cook
I miss the experience I had playing the game, at that time I loved to explore mine sell, pvp, but hated dungeons, and so did the group of people I hung out with.
I dont miss the lack of assistance I got when something very bad happened to me, nor the canned, you broke the rules, line I was given.
Then a year later I didnt get an appology, but, the issue got resolved and, no I didnt break any rules, and at least that was admited to me. But, none of what I lost, Including tunes was returned to me, so I started over.
And on the first day, on the first day of a new PC's life, on a new account under a different name, and totally new email, it happened again.
I miss WoW, I do not miss Bliz, or atleast whatever fault there was at Bliz which alowed this to happen.
So re roll, start all over? Nope, unless it was free, including the software.
And I really dont miss the crap I took from people here at that time, when I was seeking help.
Im a retired poor man, my money came hard, and I value every penny.
Having said that, the game in and of itself was the finest I have ever played.
What I enjoy about games like wow and eve. No matter who the hater is and especially if they've played either before. YOU WILL ALWAYS end up coming back for more. It's a true story, at least from the people I've seen.
Zorn, I don't understand why you're getting so bent out of shape because I prefer playing DF over WoW now. I don't care how much has changed since 2k9 the fact remains that there are things in DF that you don't have in WoW and vice versa. If you like WoW, fine play it but don't treat everybody like idiots for not being fellow fanboys. I could give a crap if you like DF (or any other game) or not and I'm not going to punish you for it. We all have different playing styles and likes. To judge somebody over those is pointless. I read these forums enough to know what has been patched into WoW as well as friends that have told me. It just doesn't appeal to me anymore.
Zorn, I don't understand why you're getting so bent out of shape because I prefer playing DF over WoW now. I don't care how much has changed since 2k9 the fact remains that there are things in DF that you don't have in WoW and vice versa. If you like WoW, fine play it but don't treat everybody like idiots for not being fellow fanboys. I could give a crap if you like DF (or any other game) or not and I'm not going to punish you for it. We all have different playing styles and likes. To judge somebody over those is pointless. I read these forums enough to know what has been patched into WoW as well as friends that have told me. It just doesn't appeal to me anymore.
Logic? Reason? Statements to support your opinion? Don't expect a courteous reply from Zorndork.
I agree with your sentiments, but people like him have no regard for a differing opinion. If we say that what we've read (reading, btw, is historically how everyone has learned for thousands of years), and heard first-hand from people we know who still play, and have formed our opinions based on said knowledge, he thinks we're idiots and lack "experience".
You don't always need to experience something first-hand to have an opinion on whether or not you would like it. After all, who knows my likes and dislikes better than.... me?!
Meh. Not worth replying to him anymore. There's no reasoning with children, or whatever type of person he is.
No godless person can comprehend those minute distinctions in doctrine that provide true believers excuse for mayhem. -Glen Cook
Sometimes I think back of the good old days when we were fighting our way through AQ40 or BWL, or some time later through Ulduar. But those were also the times when I was sometimes saying "what? there is a party at yours today? Ah thanks, but today is thursday, I'm raiding at that time. And on monday, and tuesdays. And wednesday too. And saturday and sunday are the small 10man raids taking place which I don't wanna miss either".
Was good time, but I wouldn't resub. Because either I get bored or I spend far too much time there.
Sometimes I think back of the good old days when we were fighting our way through AQ40 or BWL, or some time later through Ulduar. But those were also the times when I was sometimes saying "what? there is a party at yours today? Ah thanks, but today is thursday, I'm raiding at that time. And on monday, and tuesdays. And wednesday too. And saturday and sunday are the small 10man raids taking place which I don't wanna miss either". Was good time, but I wouldn't resub. Because either I get bored or I spend far too much time there.
I absolutely LOVED learning Molten Core and BWL back in the day. Even Onyxia was hella fun. What made it fun was partly the encounter and the thrill of learning it, and mostly the people I was doing it with. Good times... good times. It's the people I miss from time to time, not the game. Same with EQ1 and Vanguard.
No godless person can comprehend those minute distinctions in doctrine that provide true believers excuse for mayhem. -Glen Cook
Nothing is really stopping you from playing it, you're treating it as if it's some Ex-Girlfriend you swore you wont go back to. I don't understand when people say they "Quit" MMORPG's and then come out with "I MISS IT , SHOULD I REALLY GO BACK". It's not a life threatening decision, if you want to play a game..go ahead play it.
-Good said, i had 6 months brake from WoW and now im playing it a bit since im waiting for APB to come out and there is nothing that intreste me atm so yeah you can play if you want to play :P
I went back after a few months roaming the wasteland in Fallen Earth to help some rl friends in my ex-guild get caught back up on hardmodes. After a couple of weeks of my toon on the hamster wheel for gear we finished off the hardmodes and the new ICC branch. The only real difficult parts were the same as it has always been...the players.
I hate the gear wheel, which is the reason I quit, and saw just more of the same. I even logged onto one of my twinks thinking it would be fun to run some battlegrounds with other twinks (with exp turned off now) and after an hour and a half of que time I realized even with all the additions to WoW it's still the same game I left (never did get into that av). The improvements prolly help the more time restricted players see content and get gear but I didn't see where it helped me enjoy the game more. Maybe I'll level another toon and get spurred into giving a shit again but I doubt it.
mm! i got time on my account of wow !i dont play it!simple!i did download the latest patch!and it does fell more like a treadmill!
first argument i received in stockade!cool we wont have to go walk around the open world we ll be hable to grind from sw till
we re high lvl !for me if thats not called a treadmill idont know what is !
tried aion!still have 6 week left on the account !i probably wont play much of that either .same reason its a treadmill.
i dont mind to go quest around etc,but when i go kill kralls and the dude with me tell me hell grind till he can access the next elite area !come on ,im not doing mmo game to grind a stupid elite area because xp is good and fairly fast to xp up lol
i want to have fun!im sure all the naysayer here about wow or other game feal the same they just ask to have fun!they dont ask for the sun to come in their own house gees!
If you're starting to complain about treadmills you might as well quit this genre because that's exactly that MMO's are. More content = New treadmills/Carrots, it's that simple.
We play this genre for the continuous and new content, otherwise we won't feel satisfied for paying for it.
So we're actually paying for them to provide us with more treadmills, because we expect them to keep us busy.
It's funny that most of you never seem to realize this but you're really in the wrong genre if you don't like/expect treadmills.
If you're starting to complain about treadmills you might as well quit this genre because that's exactly that MMO's are. More content = New treadmills/Carrots, it's that simple.
We play this genre for the continuous and new content, otherwise we won't feel satisfied for paying for it.
So we're actually paying for them to provide us with more treadmills, because we expect them to keep us busy.
It's funny that most of you never seem to realize this but you're really in the wrong genre if you don't like/expect treadmills.
i dont mind new content new quest ,even grind some elite at later lvl to get gear but grinding elite for xp ?beurk id rater quest around kill a tree lol anything !
If you're starting to complain about treadmills you might as well quit this genre because that's exactly that MMO's are. More content = New treadmills/Carrots, it's that simple.
We play this genre for the continuous and new content, otherwise we won't feel satisfied for paying for it.
So we're actually paying for them to provide us with more treadmills, because we expect them to keep us busy.
It's funny that most of you never seem to realize this but you're really in the wrong genre if you don't like/expect treadmills.
There's a big difference between new/more content and the same fight mechanics (matter of fact same Bosses and their mechanics) put in "new" raids. New content is seeing something different and new, not the same old stuff being called new.
I have no problem paying for new content to keep me busy. Not being kept busy by long que times (current non-exp battlegrounds) and inept players (pug any raid and you'll see what I mean). If you're content with the current treadmills in WoW then I'm glad you've found your niche but some people want more out of this genre.
I'm fairly certain wow is an "MMO" rpg (Meaning Massive multiplayer online) , and I can't see how you would be interested in playing any other game from the genre with these ideals.
This tired argument. Multiplayer does not mean forced grouping to progress. There's nothing wrong with grouping, I just hate when it's mandatory to advance your character.
If the entire Wow game made you team up, it would be different. But they let you solo to the top, and then it's bait and switch. And there are MMOs that let you get the best loot without ever forcing you to group to do so. Wow just isn't one of them.
YOU have a problem ... in that after patch 3.3 EVERYONE in WOW levels by doing GROUP content on the fly.... NOW.
You see, you lost touch with WOW 2010 and you have NO clue what you talk about for a player who plays NOW.
Level through PvP, shut down experience gains in PVE, DUAL specs, joining BG's from anywhere, cross server BG's, cross server dungeons, MASSIVE world PvP with 240 people EVERY 2.5 hours on every server in the zone of Lake WIntergrasp.
ALL new things you don't even know and still you want to discuss things with ACTIVE players of the game NOW.
So silly....I always have to explain these massive changes to dudes who talk about a game that no longer exists ....
None of what you say addresses the core problem I have with Wow; that the best gear cannot be obtained without grouping, and that includes PvP.
Sometimes I find myself missing WoW. This is probably partly because I've yet to find a MMORPG that has pulled me as WoW has. Anyone else feel the same sometimes for similar or different reasons?
I miss being a low level at release and working my way up along fellow oldschool MMO players and exploring this universe.
I don't miss the kindergarten crowd currently dominating the game and neither do i miss the streamlined Gear-grinder it has become since WOTLK.
Overall, WoW 1-59 was and still is much more interesting than the max-lvl game; i found more fun coming back every 4 months lvling a new char than farming lvl 80 instance.
WoW gave me all it could, but has nothing more to share with me.
My addiction History: >> EQ1 2000-2004 - Shaman/Bard/Wizard/Monk - nolife raid-whore >> WoW 2004-2009 + Cataclysm for 2 months - hardcore casual >> Current status : done with MMO, too old for that crap.
I'm fairly certain wow is an "MMO" rpg (Meaning Massive multiplayer online) , and I can't see how you would be interested in playing any other game from the genre with these ideals.
This tired argument. Multiplayer does not mean forced grouping to progress. There's nothing wrong with grouping, I just hate when it's mandatory to advance your character.
If the entire Wow game made you team up, it would be different. But they let you solo to the top, and then it's bait and switch. And there are MMOs that let you get the best loot without ever forcing you to group to do so. Wow just isn't one of them.
YOU have a problem ... in that after patch 3.3 EVERYONE in WOW levels by doing GROUP content on the fly.... NOW.
You see, you lost touch with WOW 2010 and you have NO clue what you talk about for a player who plays NOW.
Level through PvP, shut down experience gains in PVE, DUAL specs, joining BG's from anywhere, cross server BG's, cross server dungeons, MASSIVE world PvP with 240 people EVERY 2.5 hours on every server in the zone of Lake WIntergrasp.
ALL new things you don't even know and still you want to discuss things with ACTIVE players of the game NOW.
So silly....I always have to explain these massive changes to dudes who talk about a game that no longer exists ....
None of what you say addresses the core problem I have with Wow; that the best gear cannot be obtained without grouping, and that includes PvP.
Solo content is easy and many people do not see the same problem that you do. There is more challenge in group content and thus the rewards are better. It is the same from level 1 to level 80, but you chose to ignore the group content rewards until you have exhausted the solo content. That is why you now see it as "bait and switch", which isn't the case. The group rewards have always been better, starting at level 1.
Grouping is a central idea in massive multiplayer games. You are not forced to group, but you are also not entitled to group rewards because you make the choice not to engage in that part of the game.
I'm not sure why people feel they should be rewarded for opting out of the more difficult gameplay.
I have gone through more periods of missing EQ2, because of the housing and crafting, than I have of missing WoW. When I DID used to miss WoW, the things running through my mind were usually back from when the game was very new and we were ALL just discovering everything together.
There's something wonderous about being in toward the BEGINNING (or for WoW, with me, at the VERY beginning) of a game's release. You are part of the group of people that are forging the way for everyone else. You're the people that get called on to help, to answer questions from new players, etc. There is some "virtual pride" in being a pioneer...lol.
For now, however, I have re-discovered these feelings of adventure in a game that makes me THINK (like we USED to...back in the early days of WoW when there were no raid guides on YouTube and no Thottbot or WoWHead), and I am having an absolutely BLISSFUL time again....FINALLY. I have fallen in love...totally in love....with Fallen Earth. And I don't think you could find many games LESS "WoWesque." So I think my days of "missing WoW" are pretty much over.
So no...right now I don't miss WoW at ALL. And for all the new changes that some members of this forum think were so great in 3.3....they just took the game even further away from all the things I used to enjoy about it. 24 hour a day PuG capability? Gee wow....I hated having to do one PuG a month, now Blizzard has made it convenient to PuG all day and night....yippee? O.o Easy epics....RAINING epics....wearing something epic used to be, well...epic. People would inspect you and go..."Wow. Where did you get that?" And you could recount a tale of epic proportions on how you got your epic gear. Pffft.
Rather than missing WoW....I eventually found out that a lot of things were missing FROM WoW. And for all the wonderful amazing things that Zorndorf will undoubtedly continue to go on and on and on about in this thread and many others.....what he seems not to understand is that with all that WoW HAS.....it's not what they HAVE as much as what they are MISSING that drives some of us away.
What Blizzard sacrificed to have what they now have....were things that were important to some of us....perhaps only a "niche" crowd of us, but nonetheless....those things mattered in a game to ME. And not every single gamer on the planet is going to think WoW is the Messiah of MMORPGs. That's just a fact. It's not a terrible game, it just becomes less and less and less a game that I, personally, want to play. It's a very well-polished, smooth, beautiful game. But it's no longer the game it was, and even the game it WAS....is missing elements that I have found in other games that I no longer desire to be WITHOUT.
Hmph. I doubt anyone will even read all this, but at least I said it.
I have gone through more periods of missing EQ2, because of the housing and crafting, than I have of missing WoW. When I DID used to miss WoW, the things running through my mind were usually back from when the game was very new and we were ALL just discovering everything together.
There's something wonderous about being in toward the BEGINNING (or for WoW, with me, at the VERY beginning) of a game's release. You are part of the group of people that are forging the way for everyone else. You're the people that get called on to help, to answer questions from new players, etc. There is some "virtual pride" in being a pioneer...lol.
For now, however, I have re-discovered these feelings of adventure in a game that makes me THINK (like we USED to...back in the early days of WoW when there were no raid guides on YouTube and no Thottbot or WoWHead), and I am having an absolutely BLISSFUL time again....FINALLY. I have fallen in love...totally in love....with Fallen Earth. And I don't think you could find many games LESS "WoWesque." So I think my days of "missing WoW" are pretty much over.
So no...right now I don't miss WoW at ALL. And for all the new changes that some members of this forum think were so great in 3.3....they just took the game even further away from all the things I used to enjoy about it. 24 hour a day PuG capability? Gee wow....I hated having to do one PuG a month, now Blizzard has made it convenient to PuG all day and night....yippee? O.o Easy epics....RAINING epics....wearing something epic used to be, well...epic. People would inspect you and go..."Wow. Where did you get that?" And you could recount a tale of epic proportions on how you got your epic gear. Pffft.
Rather than missing WoW....I eventually found out that a lot of things were missing FROM WoW. And for all the wonderful amazing things that Zorndorf will undoubtedly continue to go on and on and on about in this thread and many others.....what he seems not to understand is that with all that WoW HAS.....it's not what they HAVE as much as what they are MISSING that drives some of us away.
What Blizzard sacrificed to have what they now have....were things that were important to some of us....perhaps only a "niche" crowd of us, but nonetheless....those things mattered in a game to ME. And not every single gamer on the planet is going to think WoW is the Messiah of MMORPGs. That's just a fact. It's not a terrible game, it just becomes less and less and less a game that I, personally, want to play. It's a very well-polished, smooth, beautiful game. But it's no longer the game it was, and even the game it WAS....is missing elements that I have found in other games that I no longer desire to be WITHOUT.
Hmph. I doubt anyone will even read all this, but at least I said it.
kind of agree really, i have only played WoW casually.. mostly when im a bit burnt from overdoing it in Eve, but, its not as much fun as it used to be, and as you raise the subject of Fallen Earth, have to say i'm seriously thinking of dumping WoW for it, going to give it a try anyway, as it sounds like it has a few game mechanics that are a bit more challenging.. and possibly fun.. than WoW.. (and yes i did read it all)
I pretty much did what I wanted to do in that game, quit and never looked back.
Plus the direction they have taken the game did not appeal to me. Maybe if they focused more on world PvP instead of arena I would try it again. That will never happen tho.
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Dark has a point if you think you miss it or just have the urge try it out again. it is just like calling up that ex you swore because you are in a slump and have an urge don't be afraid to make that call get your fix and move on. I've started and stopped wow at least 5 times since its release and I always went back for a few reasons, namely it was easy to run on my pos comp, my friends were there and I have yet to find anything else enjoyable i can run on my comp.
You can't miss something you NEVER experienced....
Come back when you played it in 2010 and then compare it to the piece of ... DF is.
And to ALL the above: YOU .... on WOW because you miss it and now NEED to find another game and simply can't find it.
In the end it is all about frustration.
Just look at my signature and face the mirror.
See, Zorndorf, this is what makes you such a chode. I don't even know why I bothered to reply to you.
I very respectfully disagreed with you. I even gave examples for why I felt the way I do, and then asked honest questions, and still you reply w/ a big "eff you" to everyone simply because they don't feel the same way you do. For fuck's sake, calm down. We're not all out to get you and/or your game. If you enjoy WoW, then by all means play it. I won't tell you anything different. But at least realize that just because someone doesn't share your opinion it doesn't make them wrong.
Back on topic - the reasons I posted in my reply to Zorn (such as WoW becoming a lobby-style game) are reason enough for me not to go back. I enjoy the experience of playing through the content in games, and dungeon-hopping gets old fast. Of course, I know I could make the choice to play through the game as I see fit, but I still feel like most people won't do this, so the world will feel mostly empty and less "alive".
No godless person can comprehend those minute distinctions
in doctrine that provide true believers excuse for mayhem.
-Glen Cook
I miss the cheese,the npc's willing to risk their lives guarding grapes,and the bears wearing thongs. Other than that....
I sing the songs that make the young girls cry.
I miss the experience I had playing the game, at that time I loved to explore mine sell, pvp, but hated dungeons, and so did the group of people I hung out with.
I dont miss the lack of assistance I got when something very bad happened to me, nor the canned, you broke the rules, line I was given.
Then a year later I didnt get an appology, but, the issue got resolved and, no I didnt break any rules, and at least that was admited to me. But, none of what I lost, Including tunes was returned to me, so I started over.
And on the first day, on the first day of a new PC's life, on a new account under a different name, and totally new email, it happened again.
I miss WoW, I do not miss Bliz, or atleast whatever fault there was at Bliz which alowed this to happen.
So re roll, start all over? Nope, unless it was free, including the software.
And I really dont miss the crap I took from people here at that time, when I was seeking help.
Im a retired poor man, my money came hard, and I value every penny.
Having said that, the game in and of itself was the finest I have ever played.
Damn Shame
What I enjoy about games like wow and eve. No matter who the hater is and especially if they've played either before. YOU WILL ALWAYS end up coming back for more. It's a true story, at least from the people I've seen.
Zorn, I don't understand why you're getting so bent out of shape because I prefer playing DF over WoW now. I don't care how much has changed since 2k9 the fact remains that there are things in DF that you don't have in WoW and vice versa. If you like WoW, fine play it but don't treat everybody like idiots for not being fellow fanboys. I could give a crap if you like DF (or any other game) or not and I'm not going to punish you for it. We all have different playing styles and likes. To judge somebody over those is pointless. I read these forums enough to know what has been patched into WoW as well as friends that have told me. It just doesn't appeal to me anymore.
i believe this guy is such a fanboi he'd give the devs all reach-a-rounds
Logic? Reason? Statements to support your opinion? Don't expect a courteous reply from Zorndork.
I agree with your sentiments, but people like him have no regard for a differing opinion. If we say that what we've read (reading, btw, is historically how everyone has learned for thousands of years), and heard first-hand from people we know who still play, and have formed our opinions based on said knowledge, he thinks we're idiots and lack "experience".
You don't always need to experience something first-hand to have an opinion on whether or not you would like it. After all, who knows my likes and dislikes better than.... me?!
Meh. Not worth replying to him anymore. There's no reasoning with children, or whatever type of person he is.
No godless person can comprehend those minute distinctions
in doctrine that provide true believers excuse for mayhem.
-Glen Cook
Sometimes I think back of the good old days when we were fighting our way through AQ40 or BWL, or some time later through Ulduar. But those were also the times when I was sometimes saying "what? there is a party at yours today? Ah thanks, but today is thursday, I'm raiding at that time. And on monday, and tuesdays. And wednesday too. And saturday and sunday are the small 10man raids taking place which I don't wanna miss either".
Was good time, but I wouldn't resub. Because either I get bored or I spend far too much time there.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
I absolutely LOVED learning Molten Core and BWL back in the day. Even Onyxia was hella fun. What made it fun was partly the encounter and the thrill of learning it, and mostly the people I was doing it with. Good times... good times. It's the people I miss from time to time, not the game. Same with EQ1 and Vanguard.
No godless person can comprehend those minute distinctions
in doctrine that provide true believers excuse for mayhem.
-Glen Cook
-Good said, i had 6 months brake from WoW and now im playing it a bit since im waiting for APB to come out and there is nothing that intreste me atm so yeah you can play if you want to play :P
I went back after a few months roaming the wasteland in Fallen Earth to help some rl friends in my ex-guild get caught back up on hardmodes. After a couple of weeks of my toon on the hamster wheel for gear we finished off the hardmodes and the new ICC branch. The only real difficult parts were the same as it has always been...the players.
I hate the gear wheel, which is the reason I quit, and saw just more of the same. I even logged onto one of my twinks thinking it would be fun to run some battlegrounds with other twinks (with exp turned off now) and after an hour and a half of que time I realized even with all the additions to WoW it's still the same game I left (never did get into that av). The improvements prolly help the more time restricted players see content and get gear but I didn't see where it helped me enjoy the game more. Maybe I'll level another toon and get spurred into giving a shit again but I doubt it.
mm! i got time on my account of wow !i dont play it!simple!i did download the latest patch!and it does fell more like a treadmill!
first argument i received in stockade!cool we wont have to go walk around the open world we ll be hable to grind from sw till
we re high lvl !for me if thats not called a treadmill idont know what is !
tried aion!still have 6 week left on the account !i probably wont play much of that either .same reason its a treadmill.
i dont mind to go quest around etc,but when i go kill kralls and the dude with me tell me hell grind till he can access the next elite area !come on ,im not doing mmo game to grind a stupid elite area because xp is good and fairly fast to xp up lol
i want to have fun!im sure all the naysayer here about wow or other game feal the same they just ask to have fun!they dont ask for the sun to come in their own house gees!
If you're starting to complain about treadmills you might as well quit this genre because that's exactly that MMO's are. More content = New treadmills/Carrots, it's that simple.
We play this genre for the continuous and new content, otherwise we won't feel satisfied for paying for it.
So we're actually paying for them to provide us with more treadmills, because we expect them to keep us busy.
It's funny that most of you never seem to realize this but you're really in the wrong genre if you don't like/expect treadmills.
People often complain about something in one game, but then turn around and praise that same thing in another game.
i dont mind new content new quest ,even grind some elite at later lvl to get gear but grinding elite for xp ?beurk id rater quest around kill a tree lol anything !
There's a big difference between new/more content and the same fight mechanics (matter of fact same Bosses and their mechanics) put in "new" raids. New content is seeing something different and new, not the same old stuff being called new.
I have no problem paying for new content to keep me busy. Not being kept busy by long que times (current non-exp battlegrounds) and inept players (pug any raid and you'll see what I mean). If you're content with the current treadmills in WoW then I'm glad you've found your niche but some people want more out of this genre.
This tired argument. Multiplayer does not mean forced grouping to progress. There's nothing wrong with grouping, I just hate when it's mandatory to advance your character.
If the entire Wow game made you team up, it would be different. But they let you solo to the top, and then it's bait and switch. And there are MMOs that let you get the best loot without ever forcing you to group to do so. Wow just isn't one of them.
YOU have a problem ... in that after patch 3.3 EVERYONE in WOW levels by doing GROUP content on the fly.... NOW.
You see, you lost touch with WOW 2010 and you have NO clue what you talk about for a player who plays NOW.
Level through PvP, shut down experience gains in PVE, DUAL specs, joining BG's from anywhere, cross server BG's, cross server dungeons, MASSIVE world PvP with 240 people EVERY 2.5 hours on every server in the zone of Lake WIntergrasp.
ALL new things you don't even know and still you want to discuss things with ACTIVE players of the game NOW.
So silly....I always have to explain these massive changes to dudes who talk about a game that no longer exists ....
None of what you say addresses the core problem I have with Wow; that the best gear cannot be obtained without grouping, and that includes PvP.
I miss being a low level at release and working my way up along fellow oldschool MMO players and exploring this universe.
I don't miss the kindergarten crowd currently dominating the game and neither do i miss the streamlined Gear-grinder it has become since WOTLK.
Overall, WoW 1-59 was and still is much more interesting than the max-lvl game; i found more fun coming back every 4 months lvling a new char than farming lvl 80 instance.
WoW gave me all it could, but has nothing more to share with me.
My addiction History:
>> EQ1 2000-2004 - Shaman/Bard/Wizard/Monk - nolife raid-whore
>> WoW 2004-2009 + Cataclysm for 2 months - hardcore casual
>> Current status : done with MMO, too old for that crap.
This tired argument. Multiplayer does not mean forced grouping to progress. There's nothing wrong with grouping, I just hate when it's mandatory to advance your character.
If the entire Wow game made you team up, it would be different. But they let you solo to the top, and then it's bait and switch. And there are MMOs that let you get the best loot without ever forcing you to group to do so. Wow just isn't one of them.
YOU have a problem ... in that after patch 3.3 EVERYONE in WOW levels by doing GROUP content on the fly.... NOW.
You see, you lost touch with WOW 2010 and you have NO clue what you talk about for a player who plays NOW.
Level through PvP, shut down experience gains in PVE, DUAL specs, joining BG's from anywhere, cross server BG's, cross server dungeons, MASSIVE world PvP with 240 people EVERY 2.5 hours on every server in the zone of Lake WIntergrasp.
ALL new things you don't even know and still you want to discuss things with ACTIVE players of the game NOW.
So silly....I always have to explain these massive changes to dudes who talk about a game that no longer exists ....
None of what you say addresses the core problem I have with Wow; that the best gear cannot be obtained without grouping, and that includes PvP.
Solo content is easy and many people do not see the same problem that you do. There is more challenge in group content and thus the rewards are better. It is the same from level 1 to level 80, but you chose to ignore the group content rewards until you have exhausted the solo content. That is why you now see it as "bait and switch", which isn't the case. The group rewards have always been better, starting at level 1.
Grouping is a central idea in massive multiplayer games. You are not forced to group, but you are also not entitled to group rewards because you make the choice not to engage in that part of the game.
I'm not sure why people feel they should be rewarded for opting out of the more difficult gameplay.
I have gone through more periods of missing EQ2, because of the housing and crafting, than I have of missing WoW. When I DID used to miss WoW, the things running through my mind were usually back from when the game was very new and we were ALL just discovering everything together.
There's something wonderous about being in toward the BEGINNING (or for WoW, with me, at the VERY beginning) of a game's release. You are part of the group of people that are forging the way for everyone else. You're the people that get called on to help, to answer questions from new players, etc. There is some "virtual pride" in being a pioneer...lol.
For now, however, I have re-discovered these feelings of adventure in a game that makes me THINK (like we USED to...back in the early days of WoW when there were no raid guides on YouTube and no Thottbot or WoWHead), and I am having an absolutely BLISSFUL time again....FINALLY. I have fallen in love...totally in love....with Fallen Earth. And I don't think you could find many games LESS "WoWesque." So I think my days of "missing WoW" are pretty much over.
So no...right now I don't miss WoW at ALL. And for all the new changes that some members of this forum think were so great in 3.3....they just took the game even further away from all the things I used to enjoy about it. 24 hour a day PuG capability? Gee wow....I hated having to do one PuG a month, now Blizzard has made it convenient to PuG all day and night....yippee? O.o Easy epics....RAINING epics....wearing something epic used to be, well...epic. People would inspect you and go..."Wow. Where did you get that?" And you could recount a tale of epic proportions on how you got your epic gear. Pffft.
Rather than missing WoW....I eventually found out that a lot of things were missing FROM WoW. And for all the wonderful amazing things that Zorndorf will undoubtedly continue to go on and on and on about in this thread and many others.....what he seems not to understand is that with all that WoW HAS.....it's not what they HAVE as much as what they are MISSING that drives some of us away.
What Blizzard sacrificed to have what they now have....were things that were important to some of us....perhaps only a "niche" crowd of us, but nonetheless....those things mattered in a game to ME. And not every single gamer on the planet is going to think WoW is the Messiah of MMORPGs. That's just a fact. It's not a terrible game, it just becomes less and less and less a game that I, personally, want to play. It's a very well-polished, smooth, beautiful game. But it's no longer the game it was, and even the game it WAS....is missing elements that I have found in other games that I no longer desire to be WITHOUT.
Hmph. I doubt anyone will even read all this, but at least I said it.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
i quit WoW like in mid July of 2009, was even once part of the elitist raiding guild and yes. i was addicted like crazy.
no one in my guild believe i would totally quit and probably would start playing again on the new patch
but to my own surprise, once i quit, i kinda find my life back and am happy with it, so no never looked back and in fact
i am thankful i can quit WoW
So What Now?
I miss vanilla WoW, but not anything after that. The community changed after TBC, at least on the servers I was on.
Actually I think I miss the wonder and excitement of my first MMO (vanilla WoW) more than WoW itself.
Current: None
Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, LotRO, EVE, AoC, VG, CO, Ryzom, DF, WAR
Tried: Lineage2, Dofus, EQ2, CoS, FE, UO, Wurm, Wakfu
Future: The Repopulation, ArcheAge, Black Desert, EQN
kind of agree really, i have only played WoW casually.. mostly when im a bit burnt from overdoing it in Eve, but, its not as much fun as it used to be, and as you raise the subject of Fallen Earth, have to say i'm seriously thinking of dumping WoW for it, going to give it a try anyway, as it sounds like it has a few game mechanics that are a bit more challenging.. and possibly fun.. than WoW.. (and yes i did read it all)
I do not miss WoW at all.
I pretty much did what I wanted to do in that game, quit and never looked back.
Plus the direction they have taken the game did not appeal to me. Maybe if they focused more on world PvP instead of arena I would try it again. That will never happen tho.