Titanic is the highest grossing film of all time. Therefor, it is the best movie of all time. (that's what i think of WoW).
Not so good statement.
Because Titanic didn't have 20 times MORE grossing than the second movie.
1.2 billion dollars yearly revenu (times 5 years) for WOW only ...., compared to the usual 10 -20 million dollars revenu for the other ones. And it goes way further than MMO's...
Look at it this way/ COD2 broke ALL past records because they could break 500 million dollars on the launching week. Never seen before and a nice add on to the 3 billion US dollars .... the COMPLETE franchise of COD across ALL platforms (from handhelds to consoles to PC's) had in 6 years time.
WOW brings in 1.2 billion dollars ... each year. Do the count: 5 years and still running...
So IF Titanic made 20 times more money than other films and 3 times more money than ALL other movies of the past 5 years together,....
Yep ... if this would occur it would be clear that X was indeed the undisputed King product by a long shot.
I'm sorry bu this is an idiotic argument. My point was, that most grossing has nothing to do with quality. You in turn argue, the MORE money you make, the MORE QUALITY.
Take your own analogy and apply it to Titanic. Are you saying if Titanic made as much money as WoW does compared to the next game (or next movie), it magically makes Titanic the best movie of all time?
The most money doesn't mean best.
Apply your own analogy to McDonalds. McDonalds makes the most money, there it is the most profitable Restaurant. Is it the healthiest? Nope.
And on top of that "the best game" is ENTIRELY a matter of opinion. No matter how many facts or statistics you put out there you can NEVER EVER make that be a true statement.
Titanic is the highest grossing film of all time. Therefor, it is the best movie of all time. (that's what i think of WoW).
Not so good statement.
Because Titanic didn't have 20 times MORE grossing than the second movie.
1.2 billion dollars yearly revenu (times 5 years) for WOW only ...., compared to the usual 10 -20 million dollars revenu for the other ones. And it goes way further than MMO's...
Look at it this way/ COD2 broke ALL past records because they could break 500 million dollars on the launching week. Never seen before and a nice add on to the 3 billion US dollars .... the COMPLETE franchise of COD across ALL platforms (from handhelds to consoles to PC's) had in 6 years time.
WOW brings in 1.2 billion dollars ... each year. Do the count: 5 years and still running...
So IF Titanic made 20 times more money than other films and 3 times more money than ALL other movies of the past 5 years together,....
Yep ... if this would occur it would be clear that X was indeed the undisputed King product by a long shot.
I'm sorry bu this is an idiotic argument. My point was, that most grossing has nothing to do with quality. You in turn argue, the MORE money you make, the MORE QUALITY.
Take your own analogy and apply it to Titanic. Are you saying if Titanic made as much money as WoW does compared to the next game (or next movie), it magically makes Titanic the best movie of all time?
The most money doesn't mean best.
Apply your own analogy to McDonalds. McDonalds makes the most money, there it is the most profitable Restaurant. Is it the healthiest? Nope.
It is NOT that you make the most money.
It is that you make 20 times (!) more money than the next "competitor" ... which means ...
....there really is NO competition.
Becaus that money comes from .... people.
And people (certainly with a fixed subscription based game) vote with their WALLETS.
So the circle is round: for PEOPLE (who vote with their wallet) WOW is the best there is by LACK of competition.
I'm sorry bu this is an idiotic argument. My point was, that most grossing has nothing to do with quality. You in turn argue, the MORE money you make, the MORE QUALITY. Take your own analogy and apply it to Titanic. Are you saying if Titanic made as much money as WoW does compared to the next game (or next movie), it magically makes Titanic the best movie of all time? The most money doesn't mean best. Apply your own analogy to McDonalds. McDonalds makes the most money, there it is the most profitable Restaurant. Is it the healthiest? Nope.
It is NOT that you make the most money.
It is that you make 20 times (!) more money than the next "competitor" ... which means ...
....there really is NO competition.
Becaus that money comes from .... people.
And people (certainly with a fixed subscription based game) vote with their WALLETS.
So the circle is round: for PEOPLE (who vote with their wallet) WOW is the best there is by LACK of competition.
Do you not understand what an opinion is????
Look at the statement:
# 1 is ALWAYS defined by commercial succes and critical acclaim.
And critical acclaim in an MMO is very easy to define: by FIXED subcription rates for ALL PtP games.
So the above stands by democratic AND financial votes given by the people.
Well apparently your ideology is different than mine because to me being number 1 in revenue and subscriptions does not make it the best game on the market. Best is a relative term and i don't see how a matter of opinion can become a so called "fact" So people who don't see WoW as the "best" are wrong? It is a matter of opinion and so that is not the term that should be coined for it.
Their is always the possibility that everyone could get sick of the game all at the same time. Stuff like that happens often in life.
In order for Blizzard to prolong this from happening. They will forever have to add content, and change things around every few months to keep the momentum going. Even with this, their bound to eventually make some bad mistakes (so far they are doing well, without screwing up) but their will come a day when it would be inevitable anyway, or people will just give up. As for now, it still looks good for the medium or long term future that they will stay miles ahead of the competition.
In order to take out WoW All things below will have to happen simultaneously :
1) release a full game from the start, with end game in place.
2) very very large game from the start.
3) 100% open world, with minor instances, from the start.
4) full crafting, side quest, lore, great auction, PvP, social hubs, and lots more, ALL FROM THE START.
I know my examples sound like a mirror image of WoW,but that's what people are accustom to at this point. New fresh ideas are a deff. + but not required.
As it stands right now their are about a hundred or so mmo's listed. BUT we have only a handful of releases that meet the criteria. They are :
EQ2
Lotro
Eve
Vanguard ( in theory )
D&D Online
City of Heroes
Daoc ( old )
EQ1 ( old )
UO (old )
SWO (old)
Even with this smaller list of full games, most all were not full from the beginning, with the exception of Lotro. I'm not sure how they managed to pull it off, but they did.
So to make a long story short WoW is like a snowball rolling down hill, just getting larger, it's almost impossible to fund a new game to catch up, so it's up to the public to get sick of it all at the same time, no matter what Blizzard develops.
HOWEVER, If Guild Wars 2 does what I think they may try. With a much better game but for FREE ( No monthly fee or cash shops), this could change everything, but GW 2 is still a mystery.
Yeah, and how is that little idea working out for planet earth and its various creatures (humans included)?
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Being a major success and being "the best" is a huge jump. I would never deny that WoW is the biggest success in gaming history but that does not make it the best.
There is no proof that WOW is maintaining their success. They haven't released any numbers yet. Unless you can provide reliable sources of course, which you can't cause your just a pathetic fanboy.
Their is always the possibility that everyone could get sick of the game all at the same time. Stuff like that happens often in life. In order for Blizzard to prolong this from happening. They will forever have to add content, and change things around every few months to keep the momentum going. Even with this, their bound to eventually make some bad mistakes (so far they are doing well, without screwing up) but their will come a day when it would be inevitable anyway, or people will just give up. As for now, it still looks good for the medium or long term future that they will stay miles ahead of the competition. In order to take out WoW All things below will have to happen simultaneously : 1) release a full game from the start, with end game in place. 2) very very large game from the start. 3) 100% open world, with minor instances, from the start. 4) full crafting, side quest, lore, great auction, PvP, social hubs, and lots more, ALL FROM THE START. I know my examples sound like a mirror image of WoW,but that's what people are accustom to at this point. New fresh ideas are a deff. + but not required. As it stands right now their are about a hundred or so mmo's listed. BUT we have only a handful of releases that meet the criteria. They are : EQ2 Lotro Eve Vanguard ( in theory ) D&D Online City of Heroes Daoc ( old ) EQ1 ( old ) UO (old ) SWO (old) Even with this smaller list of full games, most all were not full from the beginning, with the exception of Lotro. I'm not sure how they managed to pull it off, but they did. So to make a long story short WoW is like a snowball rolling down hill, just getting larger, it's almost impossible to fund a new game to catch up, so it's up to the public to get sick of it all at the same time, no matter what Blizzard develops. HOWEVER, If Guild Wars 2 does what I think they may try. With a much better game but for FREE ( No monthly fee or cash shops), this could change everything, but GW 2 is still a mystery.
You guys could Quote, inside Quote, inside Quote, each other all day long, to the point where people don't even read all of them.
Being a major success and being "the best" is a huge jump. I would never deny that WoW is the biggest success in gaming history but that does not make it the best.
To YOU; That's the irrelevant IMO factor when you discuss #1 or succes rate in our commercial society. (see #1 post).
But the fixed subscription rates assure the critical acclaim of the "playing people" or they wouldn't simply pay.
So it is a major succes tx to the voting paying players. Every subscriber has one vote....
And it is not a question of 5% or 10% more, it is a question whther it is 1800, 2000 or 2200 % more (times 20 in revenus like I said above).
Wow has not maintained their success. Who's to know if their primary source of revenue is selling you a pet dog through their item mall. Where are your sources? or are you just pulling numbers out of your ass?
Yeah, and how is that little idea working out for planet earth and its various creatures (humans included)?
BUSINESS not life. This has nothing to do with "saving the planet"
Corporations own this planet. You might want to learn this truth before it's too late. Start by learning what "lobbyists" do, and how they make sure corporations are given unfair representation in Washington D.C. compared to the citizens. Corporate globalization has everything to do with 'saving the planet'. You don't think we are down in the Middle East bombing everything to hell and spreading depleted uranium ordnance to stop "terrorists", do you?
Anyway, if you want to continue this discussion, go private. This is way off topic.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Being a major success and being "the best" is a huge jump. I would never deny that WoW is the biggest success in gaming history but that does not make it the best.
To YOU; That's the irrelevant IMO factor when you discuss #1 or succes rate in our commercial society. (see #1 post).
But the fixed subscription rates assure the critical acclaim of the "playing people" or they wouldn't simply pay.
So it is a major succes tx to the voting paying players. Every subscriber has one vote....
And it is not a question of 5% or 10% more, it is a question whther it is 1800, 2000 or 2200 % more (times 20 in revenus like I said above).
In sports it would mean, Bolt wins the 100 meter in 9.6 and second place is for EVE, coming in at 180 seconds....
A WORLD of difference when counting the (paid) montly votes.
So the people are always right.
From that post it seems like you are going back and now stating that its succesful and number 1 (in terms of success) which i would agree with 100% as ive stated before but that still doesn't mean best.
and im lmao at your "the people are always right" comment.... That must be about the stupidest statement ive heard all day. People would drink poison if the government told them it was entirely healthy. Look around you, people wanting or using something in no way what-so-ever makes it right.
#1 what? In sub numbers? Possibly Quality game? Depends on what you think of as quality Game with depth? Hardly PvP game? Again, hardly. #1 in open character development? Negative
Uhm not that I like WoW or anything but what is a quality game? What MMO has depth atm, What game has quality PvP? What game have open character development and don't name any single player games.
Being a major success and being "the best" is a huge jump. I would never deny that WoW is the biggest success in gaming history but that does not make it the best.
To YOU; That's the irrelevant IMO factor when you discuss #1 or succes rate in our commercial society. (see #1 post).
But the fixed subscription rates assure the critical acclaim of the "playing people" or they wouldn't simply pay.
So it is a major succes tx to the voting paying players. Every subscriber has one vote....
And it is not a question of 5% or 10% more, it is a question whther it is 1800, 2000 or 2200 % more (times 20 in revenus like I said above).
Wow has not maintained their success. Who's to know if their primary source of revenue is selling you a pet dog through their item mall. Where are your sources? or are you just pulling numbers out of your ass?
Page 16: 314 million dollar revenu for just ONE quarter in 2009 ....for the only MMO present in the Blizzard group.
All other financial info and quarters for 2009 can be found on the same website of Activision-Blizzard.
Transcipt of the press conference can be found on the audio page (where M Morhaime himself confirmed the 11.5 M subs in May 2009). I can link the transcript too if you want....
As Activision Blizzard is a stock rated company on Wall street .... all their info is AUDITED and controlled.
What are you even talking about ???
mhmmm i have to say trying to contest his facts was a bad move considering he was paraphrasing Acti-blizz. They are very up-to-date rub it in your face sort of company.
That report was from March 4, 2009. I've seen it before. I'm saying they usually boast +11 million players but haven't been doing that recently, obviously due to drop in subscription numbers. People left. Simple as that.
That report was from March 4, 2009. I've seen it before. I'm saying they usually boast +11 million players but haven't been doing that recently, obviously due to drop in subscription numbers. People left. Simple as that.
Of course people left. As they always do. And that still hasn't made much of a dent in the WoW subscribers that anyone can prove in any way, shape, or form
That dude is the worst troll on this site............Hates everything that competes against WOW.
Not exactly a Troll, just WoWs uber fanboy, which he is proud of.
He doesn't exactly hate everything to compete with WoW, if you have seen a few of his posts you would see him looking forward to SWTOR and STO and hoping they can compete with blizzard in a sense of polish and fun.
Kristin Southey - Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasurer
Robert A. Kotick - President, Chief Executive Officer
Thomas Tippl - Chief Financial Officer
Michael J. Griffith - President & Chief Executive Officer of Publishing Unit
Michael Morhaime - President and Chief Executive Officer of Blizzard Entertainment, Inc.
Analysts
Ralph Schackart - William Blair
Jeetil Patel - Deutsche Bank
Tony Gikas - Piper Jaffray
Mark Wienkes - Goldman Sachs
Colin Sebastien - Lazard Capital Markets
Page 6
I put in the part of Mr Morhaime too:
"Michael Morhaime
Thank you, Mike. On today’s call, I would like to talk about our performance for the March quarter and highlight some of the milestones we are looking forward to this year.
As you know, back in November we launched the second World of Warcraft expansion, Wrath of the Lich King, which achieved record-breaking sales. As mentioned on the last call, Wrath of the Lich King sold more than 2.8 million copies in its first 24 hours, to become the fastest selling PC game of all time.
We followed up on that success in the first quarter with strong sales of World of Warcraft and both expansions. According to NPD, Wrath of the Lich King was the best-selling PC game for the first quarter and six of the top 20 best-selling PC games through March were Blizzard games. This includes every World of Warcraft title as well as our Warcraft 3 and Diablo Battlechest.
More than 11.5 million paying subscribers around the world continue to play World of Warcraft, which is a significant increase compared to the same quarter last year. ..."
I would still like to see an updated report as many of those subscribers are bound to be people buying WoW for the expansion or resubbing for it. I would like to see how many of them actually stayed.
Comments
Not so good statement.
Because Titanic didn't have 20 times MORE grossing than the second movie.
1.2 billion dollars yearly revenu (times 5 years) for WOW only ...., compared to the usual 10 -20 million dollars revenu for the other ones. And it goes way further than MMO's...
Look at it this way/ COD2 broke ALL past records because they could break 500 million dollars on the launching week. Never seen before and a nice add on to the 3 billion US dollars .... the COMPLETE franchise of COD across ALL platforms (from handhelds to consoles to PC's) had in 6 years time.
WOW brings in 1.2 billion dollars ... each year. Do the count: 5 years and still running...
So IF Titanic made 20 times more money than other films and 3 times more money than ALL other movies of the past 5 years together,....
Yep ... if this would occur it would be clear that X was indeed the undisputed King product by a long shot.
I'm sorry bu this is an idiotic argument. My point was, that most grossing has nothing to do with quality. You in turn argue, the MORE money you make, the MORE QUALITY.
Take your own analogy and apply it to Titanic. Are you saying if Titanic made as much money as WoW does compared to the next game (or next movie), it magically makes Titanic the best movie of all time?
The most money doesn't mean best.
Apply your own analogy to McDonalds. McDonalds makes the most money, there it is the most profitable Restaurant. Is it the healthiest? Nope.
And on top of that "the best game" is ENTIRELY a matter of opinion. No matter how many facts or statistics you put out there you can NEVER EVER make that be a true statement.
Not so good statement.
Because Titanic didn't have 20 times MORE grossing than the second movie.
1.2 billion dollars yearly revenu (times 5 years) for WOW only ...., compared to the usual 10 -20 million dollars revenu for the other ones. And it goes way further than MMO's...
Look at it this way/ COD2 broke ALL past records because they could break 500 million dollars on the launching week. Never seen before and a nice add on to the 3 billion US dollars .... the COMPLETE franchise of COD across ALL platforms (from handhelds to consoles to PC's) had in 6 years time.
WOW brings in 1.2 billion dollars ... each year. Do the count: 5 years and still running...
So IF Titanic made 20 times more money than other films and 3 times more money than ALL other movies of the past 5 years together,....
Yep ... if this would occur it would be clear that X was indeed the undisputed King product by a long shot.
I'm sorry bu this is an idiotic argument. My point was, that most grossing has nothing to do with quality. You in turn argue, the MORE money you make, the MORE QUALITY.
Take your own analogy and apply it to Titanic. Are you saying if Titanic made as much money as WoW does compared to the next game (or next movie), it magically makes Titanic the best movie of all time?
The most money doesn't mean best.
Apply your own analogy to McDonalds. McDonalds makes the most money, there it is the most profitable Restaurant. Is it the healthiest? Nope.
It is NOT that you make the most money.
It is that you make 20 times (!) more money than the next "competitor" ... which means ...
....there really is NO competition.
Becaus that money comes from .... people.
And people (certainly with a fixed subscription based game) vote with their WALLETS.
So the circle is round: for PEOPLE (who vote with their wallet) WOW is the best there is by LACK of competition.
Do you not understand what an opinion is????
It is NOT that you make the most money.
It is that you make 20 times (!) more money than the next "competitor" ... which means ...
....there really is NO competition.
Becaus that money comes from .... people.
And people (certainly with a fixed subscription based game) vote with their WALLETS.
So the circle is round: for PEOPLE (who vote with their wallet) WOW is the best there is by LACK of competition.
Do you not understand what an opinion is????
Look at the statement:
# 1 is ALWAYS defined by commercial succes and critical acclaim.
And critical acclaim in an MMO is very easy to define: by FIXED subcription rates for ALL PtP games.
So the above stands by democratic AND financial votes given by the people.
Well apparently your ideology is different than mine because to me being number 1 in revenue and subscriptions does not make it the best game on the market. Best is a relative term and i don't see how a matter of opinion can become a so called "fact" So people who don't see WoW as the "best" are wrong? It is a matter of opinion and so that is not the term that should be coined for it.
Their is always the possibility that everyone could get sick of the game all at the same time. Stuff like that happens often in life.
In order for Blizzard to prolong this from happening. They will forever have to add content, and change things around every few months to keep the momentum going. Even with this, their bound to eventually make some bad mistakes (so far they are doing well, without screwing up) but their will come a day when it would be inevitable anyway, or people will just give up. As for now, it still looks good for the medium or long term future that they will stay miles ahead of the competition.
In order to take out WoW All things below will have to happen simultaneously :
1) release a full game from the start, with end game in place.
2) very very large game from the start.
3) 100% open world, with minor instances, from the start.
4) full crafting, side quest, lore, great auction, PvP, social hubs, and lots more, ALL FROM THE START.
I know my examples sound like a mirror image of WoW,but that's what people are accustom to at this point. New fresh ideas are a deff. + but not required.
As it stands right now their are about a hundred or so mmo's listed. BUT we have only a handful of releases that meet the criteria. They are :
EQ2
Lotro
Eve
Vanguard ( in theory )
D&D Online
City of Heroes
Daoc ( old )
EQ1 ( old )
UO (old )
SWO (old)
Even with this smaller list of full games, most all were not full from the beginning, with the exception of Lotro. I'm not sure how they managed to pull it off, but they did.
So to make a long story short WoW is like a snowball rolling down hill, just getting larger, it's almost impossible to fund a new game to catch up, so it's up to the public to get sick of it all at the same time, no matter what Blizzard develops.
HOWEVER, If Guild Wars 2 does what I think they may try. With a much better game but for FREE ( No monthly fee or cash shops), this could change everything, but GW 2 is still a mystery.
Yeah, and how is that little idea working out for planet earth and its various creatures (humans included)?
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Yeah, and how is that little idea working out for planet earth and its various creatures (humans included)?
BUSINESS not life. This has nothing to do with "saving the planet"
Being a major success and being "the best" is a huge jump. I would never deny that WoW is the biggest success in gaming history but that does not make it the best.
and slightly disturbing...
There is no proof that WOW is maintaining their success. They haven't released any numbers yet. Unless you can provide reliable sources of course, which you can't cause your just a pathetic fanboy.
You guys could Quote, inside Quote, inside Quote, each other all day long, to the point where people don't even read all of them.
But here are the facts !
To YOU; That's the irrelevant IMO factor when you discuss #1 or succes rate in our commercial society. (see #1 post).
But the fixed subscription rates assure the critical acclaim of the "playing people" or they wouldn't simply pay.
So it is a major succes tx to the voting paying players. Every subscriber has one vote....
And it is not a question of 5% or 10% more, it is a question whther it is 1800, 2000 or 2200 % more (times 20 in revenus like I said above).
Wow has not maintained their success. Who's to know if their primary source of revenue is selling you a pet dog through their item mall. Where are your sources? or are you just pulling numbers out of your ass?
Yeah, and how is that little idea working out for planet earth and its various creatures (humans included)?
BUSINESS not life. This has nothing to do with "saving the planet"
Corporations own this planet. You might want to learn this truth before it's too late. Start by learning what "lobbyists" do, and how they make sure corporations are given unfair representation in Washington D.C. compared to the citizens. Corporate globalization has everything to do with 'saving the planet'. You don't think we are down in the Middle East bombing everything to hell and spreading depleted uranium ordnance to stop "terrorists", do you?
Anyway, if you want to continue this discussion, go private. This is way off topic.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
To YOU; That's the irrelevant IMO factor when you discuss #1 or succes rate in our commercial society. (see #1 post).
But the fixed subscription rates assure the critical acclaim of the "playing people" or they wouldn't simply pay.
So it is a major succes tx to the voting paying players. Every subscriber has one vote....
And it is not a question of 5% or 10% more, it is a question whther it is 1800, 2000 or 2200 % more (times 20 in revenus like I said above).
In sports it would mean, Bolt wins the 100 meter in 9.6 and second place is for EVE, coming in at 180 seconds....
A WORLD of difference when counting the (paid) montly votes.
So the people are always right.
From that post it seems like you are going back and now stating that its succesful and number 1 (in terms of success) which i would agree with 100% as ive stated before but that still doesn't mean best.
and im lmao at your "the people are always right" comment.... That must be about the stupidest statement ive heard all day. People would drink poison if the government told them it was entirely healthy. Look around you, people wanting or using something in no way what-so-ever makes it right.
Uhm not that I like WoW or anything but what is a quality game? What MMO has depth atm, What game has quality PvP? What game have open character development and don't name any single player games.
Google education at it's finest. Please link the transcript fanboy.
To YOU; That's the irrelevant IMO factor when you discuss #1 or succes rate in our commercial society. (see #1 post).
But the fixed subscription rates assure the critical acclaim of the "playing people" or they wouldn't simply pay.
So it is a major succes tx to the voting paying players. Every subscriber has one vote....
And it is not a question of 5% or 10% more, it is a question whther it is 1800, 2000 or 2200 % more (times 20 in revenus like I said above).
Wow has not maintained their success. Who's to know if their primary source of revenue is selling you a pet dog through their item mall. Where are your sources? or are you just pulling numbers out of your ass?
http://investor.activision.com/secfiling.cfm?filingID=1104659-09-31052 official company site.
Page 16: 314 million dollar revenu for just ONE quarter in 2009 ....for the only MMO present in the Blizzard group.
All other financial info and quarters for 2009 can be found on the same website of Activision-Blizzard.
Transcipt of the press conference can be found on the audio page (where M Morhaime himself confirmed the 11.5 M subs in May 2009). I can link the transcript too if you want....
As Activision Blizzard is a stock rated company on Wall street .... all their info is AUDITED and controlled.
What are you even talking about ???
mhmmm i have to say trying to contest his facts was a bad move considering he was paraphrasing Acti-blizz. They are very up-to-date rub it in your face sort of company.
Krn even though you appear to be on my side in this debate please refrain from flaming. It makes your argument look sad and pathetic.
That report was from March 4, 2009. I've seen it before. I'm saying they usually boast +11 million players but haven't been doing that recently, obviously due to drop in subscription numbers. People left. Simple as that.
Of course people left. As they always do. And that still hasn't made much of a dent in the WoW subscribers that anyone can prove in any way, shape, or form
Krn even though you appear to be on my side in this debate please refrain from flaming. It makes your argument look sad and pathetic.
I didn't read any of your posts so no, I'm not on your side. I'm simply flaming a troll.
Krn even though you appear to be on my side in this debate please refrain from flaming. It makes your argument look sad and pathetic.
I didn't read any of your posts so no, I'm not on your side. I'm simply flaming a troll.
Though sadly he is not a troll. If you consider him a troll id hate to see what you call a real troll
That dude is the worst troll on this site............Hates everything that competes against WOW.
Not exactly a Troll, just WoWs uber fanboy, which he is proud of.
He doesn't exactly hate everything to compete with WoW, if you have seen a few of his posts you would see him looking forward to SWTOR and STO and hoping they can compete with blizzard in a sense of polish and fun.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/136299-activision-blizzard-q1-2009-earnings-call-transcript
Activision Blizzard, Inc. (ATVI)
Q1 2009 Earnings Call
May 7, 2009 4:30 pm ET
Executives
Kristin Southey - Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasurer
Robert A. Kotick - President, Chief Executive Officer
Thomas Tippl - Chief Financial Officer
Michael J. Griffith - President & Chief Executive Officer of Publishing Unit
Michael Morhaime - President and Chief Executive Officer of Blizzard Entertainment, Inc.
Analysts
Ralph Schackart - William Blair
Jeetil Patel - Deutsche Bank
Tony Gikas - Piper Jaffray
Mark Wienkes - Goldman Sachs
Colin Sebastien - Lazard Capital Markets
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I put in the part of Mr Morhaime too:
"Michael Morhaime
Thank you, Mike. On today’s call, I would like to talk about our performance for the March quarter and highlight some of the milestones we are looking forward to this year.
As you know, back in November we launched the second World of Warcraft expansion, Wrath of the Lich King, which achieved record-breaking sales. As mentioned on the last call, Wrath of the Lich King sold more than 2.8 million copies in its first 24 hours, to become the fastest selling PC game of all time.
We followed up on that success in the first quarter with strong sales of World of Warcraft and both expansions. According to NPD, Wrath of the Lich King was the best-selling PC game for the first quarter and six of the top 20 best-selling PC games through March were Blizzard games. This includes every World of Warcraft title as well as our Warcraft 3 and Diablo Battlechest.
More than 11.5 million paying subscribers around the world continue to play World of Warcraft, which is a significant increase compared to the same quarter last year. ..."
Etc
The audio tape can be heard on http://investor.activision.com/results.cfm
And see the Q reports and their income for 2009.
So you are checkmate m8.
I would still like to see an updated report as many of those subscribers are bound to be people buying WoW for the expansion or resubbing for it. I would like to see how many of them actually stayed.