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Confrimation that Stargate Worlds will be scaled back developer wise
supremeaaron
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Hi all, I recently talked to Shane Hensley over at CME after Stargate Resistance was launched about what will be the faith of SGW since they started to make a new game. His reply was
It's been scaled back since we began. We'll see how things go from here...
Shane
CME are shifting focus to SGR until they can return to SGW with enough money to finish it.
Comments
Read "Shelved until we are financially viable enough to produce an MMO".
I wouldn't read to much into that statement, he could mean the game is scaled back or the development and design teams are scaled back, my guess is the later.
Really I think they wont try and do 2 games at once, not in the current financial situation, better to finish one game and then move onto the next one.
From what we can see SGR is looking likely to be on the shelves in Q1 of next year, once this happens I would guess it will take maybe a couple of patches and then all staff will move back onto SGW, especially from the revenue that will be generated from the sales of SGR. All I can say is determination seems to have gotten them to this stage and I am sure they are not gonna back down now.
No chance that they are promising SGW will continue merely to encourage purchases of the game they are going to release, right?
Yeah, sure.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I hope you get your game Aaron, you've waited around and stuck up for them long enough that you deserve it now. SGB/R is what they had finished of SGW Autum last year, chopped up and patched together to make a shooter. I can see a load of problems on the horizon if SGB/R does ever launch but won't bother to go into them, I just hope you guys get some enjoyment no matter how brief it may be.
Agricola
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I can't argue that Aaron has defended CME and the game, but I can't bring myself to hope he gets one. I just can't support any game that will profit that company, and I would love to hear Aaron discuss why he does in light of the lies about MMOGULS and what that company means for gaming.
Geeked for FFXIV
Freelance FFXIV guide author for Ten Ton Hammer.com
I know Agricola. SGR is a huge gamble for CME/Firesky but they seem to like taking risks. Only time can tell on what ever happens.
Please address this. Is it really as Zhrioc says? Do you fans really think MMOGULS is not immoral? Do you not care whether it is?
Geeked for FFXIV
Freelance FFXIV guide author for Ten Ton Hammer.com
Please address this. Is it really as Zhrioc says? Do you fans really think MMOGULS is not immoral? Do you not care whether it is?
Many of us fans of SGW did discuss MMOGULS at length and we like everyone else were depressed to hear that a group inside CME /Firesky decided to do this to us. I for one was disgusted to put it mildly when I was informed about the existence of MMOGULS and their connection to Stargate Worlds so much so I nearly left the idea of SGW on the door step but in the end I stayed because I made friends with people in the community, but to this day MMOGULS still nags at me.
I hope that is an answer you wanted.
Really, it doesn't matter what I want. You're a grown man with your own set of ethics to guide your decision-making. I appreciate you at least addressing the issue instead of ignoring it. If I understand you correctly, you're saying the lot of you got together and decided that while it sucks and seems immoral that you don't care in light of the fact that you want a Stargate game so badly. Rather than go play something else together and enjoy your new friendships, you feel that it MUST be a Stargate game.
I (clearly) didn't make the same decision as you, but then I don't know half as much about SG as you.
Geeked for FFXIV
Freelance FFXIV guide author for Ten Ton Hammer.com
Well a lot of us are stargate fans and in the down time we play Stargate:TLS mod every so often. I would say if MMOGULS came into real question if SGW restarts then I would question playing SGW.
The release of SGR (if it happens), will be interesting in this regard:
If they don't make it part of the MMOGULS family, then I imagine quite a hue and cry, as their $50/month investment once again is made worthless for who knows how long? I could see more lawsuits in the works here.
But if CME does sell it through Itzyourmall and MMOGULS, then everyone's fears will be realized, and there'd be no denying the probability that SGW (should it release), would be part of it too.
Lose/lose, I'd say.
And the curtain drops ever lower on the debacles known as CME and SGW.
Rust in Pieces.
Doin't get me wrong I am one that thinks this whole mmoguls thing is a real sham, but even if it is sold through mmoguls, they will still have to pay for it.
Since this is a product which retailers will pay for at a cost, and then resell on, there is just no way that mmoguls will get there copies free.
I think of mmoguls as one of those record club things, were you pay so much a month, and have to buy something and usually in the end you end up buying crap that you dont need.
But I can see that this will be an expense to mmoguls, since this product is generating money for CME, I can see no justification that they would give it to mmoguls for nothing, as this would in turn effect the income at CME for the paying of bills and such, now what I do see is that mmoguls will have to buy x qty as y price, but this is treading on very dangerous grounds as this could be seen as price fixing and unfair business play for other retailers that buy this product if they are not given the same discounts.
I seriously doubt they could publish this through mmoguls since Firesky was created purely for publishing and first line distribution, cutting Firesky out of the picture would be a complete farce and not in the interests of the CME company as a whole.
Finally I dont really see how mmoguls could legally get a slice of the CME cake when CME has its own issues, and the release of this product is to ensure its own future (CME), not the future of another company, I am sure if this is done though, a lot more suits would be raised against CME. It will be interesting to see how they could try and link the two together, but as I said above this would really show a bias in the retail of the product and other retailers could cause a lot of issues about this.
Interesting days ahead I think, wonder how mmoguls could possibly do it.
Try looking at the other side of the coin, what will happen if MMOGULs don't get it? Remember they've been paying through the nose for over a year on the promise of getting SGW and a plethora of games for free which they'll use to recruit gamers to the MLM. If they don't get access for free to this game and it's not sold through MMOGULs/Itzyourmall Gary will have alot of trouble and lose cash as the saps stop paying. If he allows them access and to recruit through it he kills his chances of selling it to gamers.
Bit of a catch 22 for MR Whiting.
Perhaps his best decision is to keep the status quo that he has for over a year now and keep playing games with both sides telling them what they want to hear. That way he keeps his MMOGULs cash coming in and investors for his vapourware products.
I think he'll keep doing what he's been doing rather than run the risk of losing it all.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
What you stated reminds me of the AIG scam.. ofc they were too big to fail... and they knew it... the question here is Mr. Whiting purposely pulling and AIG or is he just incompitent?
MMOGULs sucks. It has been the stupid idea of a stupid man who should have know better. Just the same - it is not tied to Stargate or CME despite what MMOGUL's idiots claim. I spoke with MGM - I just asked one of their legal minions about MMOGULs and Stargate. They assured me that MMOGUL's is not tied to Stargate or CME, despite their false advertising to the contrary. The recently amended CME license with MGM specifically prohibits any relationship with MMOGULs. MGM has specific letters from MMOGULs and their attorneys indicating that MMOGUL has no relationsip with CME or any kind.
Lets kill the MMOGULs discussion - it supports MMOGUL's - they are trying to make it seem like they have some tie or rights to Stargate - it just aint so.
Whiting is a self proclaimed entrepreneur - he has over 30 companies all doing different things - most of them are unusual to say the least. MMOGULs was one of these "great ideas" that badly flopped and was handle all wrong. I think MMOGULs is mostly dead at this point. Whiting is no longer focused on it and its not generating any money. Since starting CME, Whiting has formed several other companies including MMOGULs that are doing all kinds of wacky things. Don't let the confusion that is Whiting distract from what is really going on at CME.
Yeah, on paper MMOGULS and CME have nothing to do with each other -- but the same man owns both. Sort of like saying Playboy has nothing to do with Playgirl.
Really I cant see SG:R being anything that could be sold through MMOGULS, since MMOGULS is designed primarily for an ongoing payment basis, its not a shop that sells one of items, but leases them over time.
It doesnt fit that someone who is in MMOGULS would actually get a copy of SG:R since its a one of payment buy game, were as the MMOGULS model is based on monthly subscriptions, and access to online portals and so forth.
Really I find it strange that they would try and get there hands on SG:R as it doesnt fit into the business model, trying to wedge it into MMOGULS to try and keep people happy paying a 50$ a month sub, when they could literally go out and just buy it for 50$ just is plain dumb.
One thing I could see is that the people at the top would say, 'well instead of paying me X, give me Y copies of SG:R' and then spoon them out to the MMOGULS crowd. But I could see that as a very sore point for the investors at CME, considering they are waiting for a return on there investment, and just giving out 10,000 copies for free instead of selling those 10,000 copies for 50$ a pop, to redeem there investment in CME, or putting it into SGW.
Either way I cannot see MMOGULS being able to afford to pay for this title to give to their members, are the MMOGULS crowd expecting this to be part of the MMOGULS plan? I can see a lot of people getting upset in the MMOGULS group, when they find out this title will not be on there gameslist of MMOGULS titles. Maybe they will have to stick the the free games they already have, that you dont even need a MMOGULS account to access.
You'll forgive me if I ask you to produce evidence to support this claim--evidence that would make me VERY happy. In the meantime, I am forced to go by what Shane Hensley has said:
Gary Whiting does own MMOGULS and CME, and if he makes money on one it's certainly his perogative to support the other with *his share* if he decides to do so....Moguls did originally show SGW and other internal projects at their presentations...an MLM gaming site is not illegal and no different than Amway or Avon from a business perspective....some of our artists did a few pieces for their website at one point...We also had some people do some freelance work for them way back in March
Thus, I continue with my stance, which I will share with any and all who enter this forum: MMOGULS is real, and if you subscribe to SGW (assuming it ever releases) or buy Stargate: Resistance (assuming it ever releases), you are funding MMOGULS.
Geeked for FFXIV
Freelance FFXIV guide author for Ten Ton Hammer.com
I agree with this. But for now, I maintain the position that any money that goes to any ONE of the companies Whiting runs has a chance to help fund MMOGULS. I refuse to help make that happen.
Even if every penny gleaned from SG:R gets reinvested in the production of SGW, the launch of SGW WILL support MMOGULS. Again, I ain't willing to contribute to that!
Geeked for FFXIV
Freelance FFXIV guide author for Ten Ton Hammer.com
Another quote from Shane:
"We did not have the financial or human resources to successfully complete Stargate Worlds, so it was indeterminable when it would be completed. With the launch of Stargate Resistance, we can hopefully reduce our dependence on private (angel) funding, and be able to gain more certainty about Stargate Worlds."
in other words, they finally admitted they ran out of money and, subsequently, staff and were unable to complete the project. Unless Stargate Resistance is a huge success, I doubt SGW will ever see the light of day.
~Ripper