Originally posted by jakin EVE is a very "masculine" oriented game. It feeds the testosterone-driven impulses of human nature. Generally the people that find EVE boring are the ones that really have no experience / time / desire to make their own goals and achieving them. EVE requires people to have an ego to get the most out of it. Most other MMOs feed you the story, EVE hands you a recipe book and says "good luck with that".
Not sure what you mean but imo Eve is much too slow to be "masculine oriented" . It is painfully slow getting anywhere in this game (and I just dont mean getting from point A to B but also getting enough skills, money etc) that it appeals much more to people who have patience rather than people who are eager to "fight", which is what I would think testosterone-driven impulses would be.
FPS/sport/fighting games are as "masculine" oriented as you get in games. They are UTF equivalent of games where as games like Eve are more for chess players who spend more time planning something than actually executing them. And it mostly comes down to numbers. What is their shield resistance to my damage type? What is their angular velocity? How much profit do I get from buying this here and selling it there?
Someone who comes to Eve with the mindset that they want to be great pilots will not get very far unless they do all the pre-planning and work needed (such as getting a steady $$ income and training the appropriate skills etc).
ummm even masculine sports/activites require preplanning and preparation.
because eve has slow travel and rts combat its not masculine?
Have you ever played Eve or should I say understood Eve?
If there's one game with apes beating their chests and trying to own people through brute force its Eve online.
Brute force? Eve is about ISK and resource gathering. The one who can muster enough resources to have an, almost, endless amount of weapons is the one who wins, not the best pilot.
Eve is much more politics than it is brute force fighting. I guess that could be considered masculine for some but for me a game that is masculine is american football or UFC, not politics. Politics is about backstabbing and cheating, where as in american football you look your opponent in the eye much like FPS/RTS games.
In Eve combat is mostly about ganking. Putting up warp bubbles to gang rape people going through or gank people who are ratting. If that is "masculine" for you then I guess we have a very different idea what it takes to be a man and what it takes to be a ganking, coward.
Brute force? Eve is about ISK and resource gathering. The one who can muster enough resources to have an, almost, endless amount of weapons is the one who wins, not the best pilot.
Sry M8 but I really don't think you're qualified to give an honest opinion on this. As someone who is, the question of the need for pilot skill is not easy to answer. In some ways it is the holy grail of EVE. Anyone who plays knows this. Having pilots that can fly and win in less expensive ships is one of the fastest ways to defeat an enemy over time. Anyone that spends anytime around kill mails knows this too.
Still, you have to have the Capitals to back it up or it's just allot of fun. One thing is for certain, as it relates to you and these forums pilot skill in EVE is vastly underestimated.
BTW......what's so masculine about beating up on a bunch of NPC's anyway LOL. I'm not sure if masculine and MMO ever really go together, but to the extent that they do, EVE surely has more of it than many other popular MMO's. I'm come on, it's a game based off player VS player combat. TBH DF probably has it beat tho
Brute force? Eve is about ISK and resource gathering. The one who can muster enough resources to have an, almost, endless amount of weapons is the one who wins, not the best pilot.
Sry M8 but I really don't think you're qualified to give an honest opinion on this. As someone who is, the question of the need for pilot skill is not easy to answer. In some ways it is the holy grail of EVE. Anyone who plays knows this. Having pilots that can fly and win in less expensive ships is one of the fastest ways to defeat an enemy over time. Anyone that spends anytime around kill mails knows this too.
Still, you have to have the Capitals to back it up or it's just allot of fun. One thing is for certain, as it relates to you and these forums pilot skill in EVE is vastly underestimated.
BTW......what's so masculine about beating up on a bunch of NPC's anyway LOL. I'm not sure if masculine and MMO ever really go together, but to the extent that they do, EVE surely has more of it than many other popular MMO's. I'm come on, it's a game based off player VS player combat. TBH DF probably has it beat tho
Qualified to give an honest opinion about that? I play Eve dont I? I am in a 0.0 alliance and have seen first hand how fighting is done there.
And just being PvP does not qualify for it being masculine. Chess can be PvP, so can checkers.
What I think defines mascunality, or maybe macho is the correct word, is direct confrontation. Not backstabbing and ganking which is very common in Eve and rarely do you get any kind of even fights. I dont know for you but having 10 guys hitting one guy does not strike me as being masculine.
EDIT: Not sure where you got NPCs from. I didnt mention anything about NPCs.
Brute force? Eve is about ISK and resource gathering. The one who can muster enough resources to have an, almost, endless amount of weapons is the one who wins, not the best pilot.
Sry M8 but I really don't think you're qualified to give an honest opinion on this. As someone who is, the question of the need for pilot skill is not easy to answer. In some ways it is the holy grail of EVE. Anyone who plays knows this. Having pilots that can fly and win in less expensive ships is one of the fastest ways to defeat an enemy over time. Anyone that spends anytime around kill mails knows this too.
Still, you have to have the Capitals to back it up or it's just allot of fun. One thing is for certain, as it relates to you and these forums pilot skill in EVE is vastly underestimated.
BTW......what's so masculine about beating up on a bunch of NPC's anyway LOL. I'm not sure if masculine and MMO ever really go together, but to the extent that they do, EVE surely has more of it than many other popular MMO's. I'm come on, it's a game based off player VS player combat. TBH DF probably has it beat tho
Qualified to give an honest opinion about that? I play Eve dont I? I am in a 0.0 alliance and have seen first hand how fighting is done there.
And just being PvP does not qualify for it being masculine. Chess can be PvP, so can checkers.
What I think defines mascunality, or maybe macho is the correct word, is direct confrontation. Not backstabbing and ganking which is very common in Eve and rarely do you get any kind of even fights. I dont know for you but having 10 guys hitting one guy does not strike me as being masculine.
EDIT: Not sure where you got NPCs from. I didnt mention anything about NPCs.
For someone who's qualified you certainly don't do it very well.
I have been in thousands of PVP engagments in EVE and less than 10% of them would I consider a gank (by either side). OFC I don't live in a idealized world of special rules that makes everything fair. Only NPC's fight this way and only people that fight them talk like that. Most of the time you just lose because the other side is better. Often this means having more younger players that will fly anything and are always on. You don't fight a single battle. You can fight for days or weeks and the better side wins.
Where does ganking come into it. TBH only NPC's get ganked, most people get what they deserve and that's the beauty of EVE. Someone defeats you and you go after them or you don't, but you don't blame them for being better.......That's just lame!
1. This is not a "pvp focused games thread", it's "Why love the sandbox thread". 2. Considering the nature of the this thread (as said in the title) it's about all things in general pertaining to a sandbox MMORPG. 3. This is a discussion forum, not a "metalhead980" get's to decide who's viewpoints are worthy of publication or recognition forum. Hint: That's what the user blogs are for. (pst..Those are kind of like personal forums that you can control..nifty huh?) 4. This thread was posted in the "General" forum, therefore it was not specifically targeted to only Eve players, but to anyone that has interest in the sandbox style of play. (Again, a general title that signifies the subject is broad and limitless). 5. There is no need to get personal (You quoted "Oh and if you don't ever have the energy to pvp and don't care for pvp anyway, why are you in a pvp focused games thread?"). "girlgeek" didn't attack anyone, in any way say anything negative about anyone that enjoys PvP, flame or degrade anyone or anythnig pertaining to PvP, nor did she say that her "opinion" was absolute. 6. Everyone is different and has thier own ways of getting the same results. (You quoted "You say you don;t want to think when you come home? Well after my long days at the office I need a game that stimulates me or i'll fall asleep. Much like I did in Vanguard or any other pve focused themepark where you truely don't mean a thing.")
Nonetheless, everyone is entitled to thier opinion, even if that opinion is fuled by personal tastes or emotional attatchment, or self employed arrogance rather than with an objective state of mind.
Next time read further down the thread to see if two individuals continued their conversation before you butt your nose in defending someone like your their daddy.
I already apologized for mistaking this as a Eve topic thread.
pay attention!
I do apologize for the late and misplaced reply, though again you are making this personal by being demeaning. It seems I pay as much attention as you have good grammar skills. "Your" in the context that you used it in should have been You're"...as in "you are". But hey, We are only human.
Since you were so kind to point out my grammar mistakes on a video game forum after a hard days work, I'll do the same.
Spelling mistakes are highlighted in red, something I normally don't point out like a douche bag on a meaningless game forum.
Oh and reread my replies in this thread, I already said I was quickly typing replies in my in game web browser while playing Eve. You seem to gloss over this however looking for something to toss in my face.
You're fun to argue with. As unfortune would had it, my dislexia gets the best of me sometimes. Thanks for pointing out my grammar mistakes. I'll have to look for those words in the future. Still taking all this so serious? This a just a meaningless game forum...right?
Originally posted by Yamota However what Eve does NOT do well is a sci-fi space game. Most of the times your target is so far away that he is just an icon and how fun is that? Fighting an icon...
not a sci-fi space game because you use data readouts from ship sensors rather than an eyeball?
You know whats best though, knowing what those icons represent when they go boom. They represent time and effort some one put into bringing it into existance and when it blips off your screen and you know some one on the other end that is now ejecting their pod into space is cursing and yelling you get to smile like never before.
^^ This,
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However what Eve does NOT do well is a sci-fi space game. Most of the times your target is so far away that he is just an icon and how fun is that? Fighting an icon...
not a sci-fi space game because you use data readouts from ship sensors rather than an eyeball?
oh dear, i can't breath, best joke ever.
An easy win here for nurgles.
And a loss for Yamota for not getting the point of EvE. And not knowing about the Look At feature in EvE that lets you focus on anything you want.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
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Not sure what you mean but imo Eve is much too slow to be "masculine oriented" . It is painfully slow getting anywhere in this game (and I just dont mean getting from point A to B but also getting enough skills, money etc) that it appeals much more to people who have patience rather than people who are eager to "fight", which is what I would think testosterone-driven impulses would be.
FPS/sport/fighting games are as "masculine" oriented as you get in games. They are UTF equivalent of games where as games like Eve are more for chess players who spend more time planning something than actually executing them. And it mostly comes down to numbers. What is their shield resistance to my damage type? What is their angular velocity? How much profit do I get from buying this here and selling it there?
Someone who comes to Eve with the mindset that they want to be great pilots will not get very far unless they do all the pre-planning and work needed (such as getting a steady $$ income and training the appropriate skills etc).
ummm even masculine sports/activites require preplanning and preparation.
because eve has slow travel and rts combat its not masculine?
Have you ever played Eve or should I say understood Eve?
If there's one game with apes beating their chests and trying to own people through brute force its Eve online.
Brute force? Eve is about ISK and resource gathering. The one who can muster enough resources to have an, almost, endless amount of weapons is the one who wins, not the best pilot.
Eve is much more politics than it is brute force fighting. I guess that could be considered masculine for some but for me a game that is masculine is american football or UFC, not politics. Politics is about backstabbing and cheating, where as in american football you look your opponent in the eye much like FPS/RTS games.
In Eve combat is mostly about ganking. Putting up warp bubbles to gang rape people going through or gank people who are ratting. If that is "masculine" for you then I guess we have a very different idea what it takes to be a man and what it takes to be a ganking, coward.
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Brute force? Eve is about ISK and resource gathering. The one who can muster enough resources to have an, almost, endless amount of weapons is the one who wins, not the best pilot.
Sry M8 but I really don't think you're qualified to give an honest opinion on this. As someone who is, the question of the need for pilot skill is not easy to answer. In some ways it is the holy grail of EVE. Anyone who plays knows this. Having pilots that can fly and win in less expensive ships is one of the fastest ways to defeat an enemy over time. Anyone that spends anytime around kill mails knows this too.
Still, you have to have the Capitals to back it up or it's just allot of fun. One thing is for certain, as it relates to you and these forums pilot skill in EVE is vastly underestimated.
BTW......what's so masculine about beating up on a bunch of NPC's anyway LOL. I'm not sure if masculine and MMO ever really go together, but to the extent that they do, EVE surely has more of it than many other popular MMO's. I'm come on, it's a game based off player VS player combat. TBH DF probably has it beat tho
Brute force? Eve is about ISK and resource gathering. The one who can muster enough resources to have an, almost, endless amount of weapons is the one who wins, not the best pilot.
Sry M8 but I really don't think you're qualified to give an honest opinion on this. As someone who is, the question of the need for pilot skill is not easy to answer. In some ways it is the holy grail of EVE. Anyone who plays knows this. Having pilots that can fly and win in less expensive ships is one of the fastest ways to defeat an enemy over time. Anyone that spends anytime around kill mails knows this too.
Still, you have to have the Capitals to back it up or it's just allot of fun. One thing is for certain, as it relates to you and these forums pilot skill in EVE is vastly underestimated.
BTW......what's so masculine about beating up on a bunch of NPC's anyway LOL. I'm not sure if masculine and MMO ever really go together, but to the extent that they do, EVE surely has more of it than many other popular MMO's. I'm come on, it's a game based off player VS player combat. TBH DF probably has it beat tho
Qualified to give an honest opinion about that? I play Eve dont I? I am in a 0.0 alliance and have seen first hand how fighting is done there.
And just being PvP does not qualify for it being masculine. Chess can be PvP, so can checkers.
What I think defines mascunality, or maybe macho is the correct word, is direct confrontation. Not backstabbing and ganking which is very common in Eve and rarely do you get any kind of even fights. I dont know for you but having 10 guys hitting one guy does not strike me as being masculine.
EDIT: Not sure where you got NPCs from. I didnt mention anything about NPCs.
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Brute force? Eve is about ISK and resource gathering. The one who can muster enough resources to have an, almost, endless amount of weapons is the one who wins, not the best pilot.
Sry M8 but I really don't think you're qualified to give an honest opinion on this. As someone who is, the question of the need for pilot skill is not easy to answer. In some ways it is the holy grail of EVE. Anyone who plays knows this. Having pilots that can fly and win in less expensive ships is one of the fastest ways to defeat an enemy over time. Anyone that spends anytime around kill mails knows this too.
Still, you have to have the Capitals to back it up or it's just allot of fun. One thing is for certain, as it relates to you and these forums pilot skill in EVE is vastly underestimated.
BTW......what's so masculine about beating up on a bunch of NPC's anyway LOL. I'm not sure if masculine and MMO ever really go together, but to the extent that they do, EVE surely has more of it than many other popular MMO's. I'm come on, it's a game based off player VS player combat. TBH DF probably has it beat tho
Qualified to give an honest opinion about that? I play Eve dont I? I am in a 0.0 alliance and have seen first hand how fighting is done there.
And just being PvP does not qualify for it being masculine. Chess can be PvP, so can checkers.
What I think defines mascunality, or maybe macho is the correct word, is direct confrontation. Not backstabbing and ganking which is very common in Eve and rarely do you get any kind of even fights. I dont know for you but having 10 guys hitting one guy does not strike me as being masculine.
EDIT: Not sure where you got NPCs from. I didnt mention anything about NPCs.
For someone who's qualified you certainly don't do it very well.
I have been in thousands of PVP engagments in EVE and less than 10% of them would I consider a gank (by either side). OFC I don't live in a idealized world of special rules that makes everything fair. Only NPC's fight this way and only people that fight them talk like that. Most of the time you just lose because the other side is better. Often this means having more younger players that will fly anything and are always on. You don't fight a single battle. You can fight for days or weeks and the better side wins.
Where does ganking come into it. TBH only NPC's get ganked, most people get what they deserve and that's the beauty of EVE. Someone defeats you and you go after them or you don't, but you don't blame them for being better.......That's just lame!
Next time read further down the thread to see if two individuals continued their conversation before you butt your nose in defending someone like your their daddy.
I already apologized for mistaking this as a Eve topic thread.
pay attention!
I do apologize for the late and misplaced reply, though again you are making this personal by being demeaning. It seems I pay as much attention as you have good grammar skills. "Your" in the context that you used it in should have been You're"...as in "you are". But hey, We are only human.
Since you were so kind to point out my grammar mistakes on a video game forum after a hard days work, I'll do the same.
Spelling mistakes are highlighted in red, something I normally don't point out like a douche bag on a meaningless game forum.
Oh and reread my replies in this thread, I already said I was quickly typing replies in my in game web browser while playing Eve. You seem to gloss over this however looking for something to toss in my face.
You're fun to argue with. As unfortune would had it, my dislexia gets the best of me sometimes. Thanks for pointing out my grammar mistakes. I'll have to look for those words in the future. Still taking all this so serious? This a just a meaningless game forum...right?
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not a sci-fi space game because you use data readouts from ship sensors rather than an eyeball?
oh dear, i can't breath, best joke ever.
^^ This,
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not a sci-fi space game because you use data readouts from ship sensors rather than an eyeball?
oh dear, i can't breath, best joke ever.
An easy win here for nurgles.
And a loss for Yamota for not getting the point of EvE. And not knowing about the Look At feature in EvE that lets you focus on anything you want.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981