What do we mean when we say you can do everything from day 1

kazamx · December 2009

I thought the following post needed to be pulled out of the thread talking about the video with Tasos in and be given its own thread. This post sums up what DF players mean when they say you can do everything from day 1

Let me shed some light as to what Darkfall players mean when they say you can do everything from the beginning.

You can take part in any siege, or for that matter any small or large battle in the game from day 1. You will probably make little difference in the outcome and you might leave the battle 4-shot killed but there is no artificial barrier preventing you from joining it and seeing how it feels like.

You can ride a horse and use it in combat from day 1, no barriers there.

You can take part in a naval battle from day one, you can actually steer ships and use cannons, and in that case you will prove more useful as a cannoneer since using a cannon is not associated with any skill or stat, so you are equally useful as a pro (although not nearly as durable). Same goes for warhulks.

You can join any PVE raid with your clan from day 1. From average mobs, to tough ones to even the Krakens or the flying Fire Dragons. Also you will probably make little difference but much more significant difference than other MMOs.

I'll pull some numbers out of my ass here, but I'm sure they are not too far from the truth:

Let's say that a well equipped pro with good skills and stats deals 50 damage with his bow to the fire dragon. Then a noob with his crappy bow and low skills will deal around 10. It's still not much but these numbers are orders of magnitude closer to each other than other MMOs. It means that if 20 pros can take down a fire dragon then 100 noobs can achieve the same feat. (I know that the numbers are more complicated than that but the principle still applies). How many other MMOs can boast the same thing? In WoW for example, if 25 pros can take out the Lich King (or whatever mob) then how many 10 level noobs could do it? Probably not even 10000, even if you could put them in the same room which you can't because the raid bosses are instanced.

Anyway, moving on.

In Darkfall you can explore 90% of Agons surface from day 1, and the rest 10% is there not because of instancing or other artificial restrictions, but because it is guarded by mobs that hit hard. Still if you are good at avoiding them, or somebody else is farming them/keeping them busy then you can explore 100% of the map. And I was referring to land, you can also explore the islands in the sea by swimming, although you'll have to avoid the sharks. Your job will be much easier if you get a raft (rafts are quite cheap, a couple of days work for a 1st week noob) although you will still have to avoid the Kraken.

Also, for the above reasons you can make a perfectly good scout/spy for your clan. The ability to spot enemies and to hide well is not a character skill but a player skill, so no restrictions there either. Sure if you are discovered you will die easily, but scouts are not supposed to be meatshields anyway.

From a clan perspective you can be a diplomat or even a general commanding armies from day 1. There are no character skills associated with talking to, leading or misleading people, only player skills. Although being a 4-shot killable commander on a battlefield may prove a little impractical if you are not careful.

You can also live in your house from day one, if someone gives you a house deed or if you are lucky enough to drop it from a chaos chest.

You can also harvest from any harvesting node in the game if you find it and have the appropriate tool. No more "you need X skill points in Y skill to harvest this" crap.

I'm probably forgetting some things, someone can add them later. My point is that in other games most of these things are either completely impossible or considered end-game and therefore artificially limited by your level or some other restriction.

DISCLAIMER: I am not suggesting you will experience these things from the first day, just that there are no artificial limitations set in the game. And as a matter of fact, if you join a large active clan there are good odds you will get to see most of these within the first week.

On the other hand, saying that you can do everything in this game is also a false statement since apparently you can't be a nuke cycling battlemage, a tank weapon master and a pwner of noobs that is also a master builder/blacksmith/enchanter/shipwright since all of those are associated with skills and stats.

So is Tasos right saying that you can experience everything in the game from day 1? From an FPS perspective probably not. From an MMORPG perspective on the other hand I think he is right on the mark.

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3295485#3295485

Cuelda · December 2009

Lol, what's up with all the quoting and the lack of attributions?

I'm gonna have to add these in my next posts.

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Xianthos · December 2009

Originally posted by kazamx
You can take part in any siege, or for that matter any small or large battle in the game from day 1. You will probably make little difference in the outcome and you might leave the battle 4-shot killed but there is no artificial barrier preventing you from joining it and seeing how it feels like.
You need to have gear with you, otherwise i dont see a reason why any clan would take you with them to a seige. Gear requires grind for mats (iron) or gold to buy it..
You can ride a horse and use it in combat from day 1, no barriers there.
You need to grind for steedgras and ofcourse gold to learn that skill. If you lucky you get a decent rate of steedgras drop but if you are unlucky you cant farm a single one in 2 days.
You can take part in a naval battle from day one, you can actually steer ships and use cannons, and in that case you will prove more useful as a cannoneer since using a cannon is not associated with any skill or stat, so you are equally useful as a pro (although not nearly as durable). Same goes for warhulks.
Thats true. Cannoneer is a perfect newbie job.
You can join any PVE raid with your clan from day 1. From average mobs, to tough ones to even the Krakens or the flying Fire Dragons. Also you will probably make little difference but much more significant difference than other MMOs.
Let's say that a well equipped pro with good skills and stats deals 50 damage with his bow to the fire dragon. Then a noob with his crappy bow and low skills will deal around 10. It's still not much but these numbers are orders of magnitude closer to each other than other MMOs. It means that if 20 pros can take down a fire dragon then 100 noobs can achieve the same feat. (I know that the numbers are more complicated than that but the principle still applies). How many other MMOs can boast the same thing? In WoW for example, if 25 pros can take out the Lich King (or whatever mob) then how many 10 level noobs could do it? Probably not even 10000, even if you could put them in the same room which you can't because the raid bosses are instanced.
Not quiet. These 20 pros are able to kill the fire dragon but you these 100 noobs wont be able as the dragon will kill them easy and there is almost no heal for newb at this state, besides it wont be 10 dmg. More or less around 4-5.
In Darkfall you can explore 90% of Agons surface from day 1, and the rest 10% is there not because of instancing or other artificial restrictions, but because it is guarded by mobs that hit hard. Still if you are good at avoiding them, or somebody else is farming them/keeping them busy then you can explore 100% of the map. And I was referring to land, you can also explore the islands in the sea by swimming, although you'll have to avoid the sharks. Your job will be much easier if you get a raft (rafts are quite cheap, a couple of days work for a 1st week noob) although you will still have to avoid the Kraken.
To bring woodcutting tthat high to be able to build one? A couple days if you do nothing else.
Also, for the above reasons you can make a perfectly good scout/spy for your clan. The ability to spot enemies and to hide well is not a character skill but a player skill, so no restrictions there either. Sure if you are discovered you will die easily, but scouts are not supposed to be meatshields anyway.
From a clan perspective you can be a diplomat or even a general commanding armies from day 1. There are no character skills associated with talking to, leading or misleading people, only player skills. Although being a 4-shot killable commander on a battlefield may prove a little impractical if you are not careful.
You can also live in your house from day one, if someone gives you a house deed or if you are lucky enough to drop it from a chaos chest.
Give you a house deed. Yay i think no one is that mad Finding with a drop rate of 0.0001%?
You can also harvest from any harvesting node in the game if you find it and have the appropriate tool. No more "you need X skill points in Y skill to harvest this" crap.

DISCLAIMER: I am not suggesting you will experience these things from the first day, just that there are no artificial limitations set in the game. And as a matter of fact, if you join a large active clan there are good odds you will get to see most of these within the first week.
You wont experience them. But true there is no artificail barriers for it, but grind / time sink barriers which doenst allow you to experience all that game offers.

On the other hand, saying that you can do everything in this game is also a false statement since apparently you can't be a nuke cycling battlemage, a tank weapon master and a pwner of noobs that is also a master builder/blacksmith/enchanter/shipwright since all of those are associated with skills and stats.

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Cuelda · December 2009

Originally posted by Xianthos

Originally posted by kazamx
You can take part in any siege, or for that matter any small or large battle in the game from day 1. You will probably make little difference in the outcome and you might leave the battle 4-shot killed but there is no artificial barrier preventing you from joining it and seeing how it feels like.
You need to have gear with you, otherwise i dont see a reason why any clan would take you with them to a seige. Gear requires grind for mats (iron) or gold to buy it..
I said from the first day, not the first second. Plus your clan probably has plenty of crappy gear to dress noobs. Also there is no reason why your clan should restrict you from coming, in Darkfall the rule of thumb usually is "the more the merrier"
You can ride a horse and use it in combat from day 1, no barriers there.
You need to grind for steedgras and ofcourse gold to learn that skill. If you lucky you get a decent rate of steedgras drop but if you are unlucky you cant farm a single one in 2 days.
Crafting or buying your first horse from day one is very plausible, but that's not what I meant, I meant that once you get one it is fully functional.
You can take part in a naval battle from day one, you can actually steer ships and use cannons, and in that case you will prove more useful as a cannoneer since using a cannon is not associated with any skill or stat, so you are equally useful as a pro (although not nearly as durable). Same goes for warhulks.
Thats true. Cannoneer is a perfect newbie job.
You can join any PVE raid with your clan from day 1. From average mobs, to tough ones to even the Krakens or the flying Fire Dragons. Also you will probably make little difference but much more significant difference than other MMOs.
Let's say that a well equipped pro with good skills and stats deals 50 damage with his bow to the fire dragon. Then a noob with his crappy bow and low skills will deal around 10. It's still not much but these numbers are orders of magnitude closer to each other than other MMOs. It means that if 20 pros can take down a fire dragon then 100 noobs can achieve the same feat. (I know that the numbers are more complicated than that but the principle still applies). How many other MMOs can boast the same thing? In WoW for example, if 25 pros can take out the Lich King (or whatever mob) then how many 10 level noobs could do it? Probably not even 10000, even if you could put them in the same room which you can't because the raid bosses are instanced.
Not quiet. These 20 pros are able to kill the fire dragon but you these 100 noobs wont be able as the dragon will kill them easy and there is almost no heal for newb at this state, besides it wont be 10 dmg. More or less around 4-5.
Not going to argue here, I am not sure about the exact math. But keep in mind that multiple people means that the Dragon has to spread damage to multiple targets which is an advantage.
In Darkfall you can explore 90% of Agons surface from day 1, and the rest 10% is there not because of instancing or other artificial restrictions, but because it is guarded by mobs that hit hard. Still if you are good at avoiding them, or somebody else is farming them/keeping them busy then you can explore 100% of the map. And I was referring to land, you can also explore the islands in the sea by swimming, although you'll have to avoid the sharks. Your job will be much easier if you get a raft (rafts are quite cheap, a couple of days work for a 1st week noob) although you will still have to avoid the Kraken.
To bring woodcutting tthat high to be able to build one? A couple days if you do nothing else.
I gathered the mats and had one crafted within the first 4 days.
Also, for the above reasons you can make a perfectly good scout/spy for your clan. The ability to spot enemies and to hide well is not a character skill but a player skill, so no restrictions there either. Sure if you are discovered you will die easily, but scouts are not supposed to be meatshields anyway.
From a clan perspective you can be a diplomat or even a general commanding armies from day 1. There are no character skills associated with talking to, leading or misleading people, only player skills. Although being a 4-shot killable commander on a battlefield may prove a little impractical if you are not careful.
You can also live in your house from day one, if someone gives you a house deed or if you are lucky enough to drop it from a chaos chest.
Give you a house deed. Yay i think no one is that mad Finding with a drop rate of 0.0001%?
Highly unlikely? Yes. Artificial restrictions or penalties? No.
You can also harvest from any harvesting node in the game if you find it and have the appropriate tool. No more "you need X skill points in Y skill to harvest this" crap.

DISCLAIMER: I am not suggesting you will experience these things from the first day, just that there are no artificial limitations set in the game. And as a matter of fact, if you join a large active clan there are good odds you will get to see most of these within the first week.
You wont experience them. But true there is no artificail barriers for it, but grind / time sink barriers which doenst allow you to experience all that game offers.
Well, I'm sorry you didn't but I'm talking from personal experience and I did do most of these things within the first week. I did join the right clan though.
On the other hand, saying that you can do everything in this game is also a false statement since apparently you can't be a nuke cycling battlemage, a tank weapon master and a pwner of noobs that is also a master builder/blacksmith/enchanter/shipwright since all of those are associated with skills and stats.

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Ruyn · December 2009

Nice post OP. This is so true and one of the favorite things I love about Darkfall. Many other games restrict the hell out of you. In Darkfall you are free to do as you wish from day 1.

Xianthos · December 2009

I never told i didnt experience them, but it werent first week. And i hardly can believe you that you experienced everything first week.

Houses / Vendors / Safe banks / Infernal Sets / Ships / Sea Towers and more on.

In my opinion too much of the game consist of rare stuff or luck (to be at right place at right time).

As i told there is really not artificial barriers but you have to be damn lucky and to have grind huge amount to be able to enjoy whole game.

makerzyo · December 2009

I was going to try darkfall until I read this post, I thought the game was supposed to be hardcore. If some newb can do anything in the first week sounds like it would get boring after a week, if nothing changes from 1 week into the game to 6 months into the game...

Cuelda · December 2009

Originally posted by Xianthos
I never told i didnt experience them, but it werent first week. And i hardly can believe you that you experienced everything first week.

I did experience a siege, at least one naval battle at a fortress, + other PVP battles, +Some intersting PVE events, +exploration, +scouting for my clan, +conquering villages +driving a raft around. Also, I harvested from most types of nodes known to man and I fought on a mount. All of the above before the first 7 days of actual game time where over. (Beta doesn't count )

And I have screenshots and vids to prove it.

Darkfall has treated me fairly well, I'm not complaining.

kazamx · December 2009

Originally posted by Cuelda

Lol, what's up with all the quoting and the lack of attributions?
I'm gonna have to add these in my next posts.

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I linked to your post at the bottom of the post.

Respit · December 2009

While what you state is not entirely incorrect at face value, the reality is that a new player can attempt to do anything, but will be having a 1v1 with the dirtnap gawd before they can utter "Tasos" under their breath with all but the most mundane of tasks.

Now, as with most things, there are some players that their mileage may vary.

kazamx · December 2009

Originally posted by makerzyo

I was going to try darkfall until I read this post, I thought the game was supposed to be hardcore. If some newb can do anything in the first week sounds like it would get boring after a week, if nothing changes from 1 week into the game to 6 months into the game...

You can experience everything from day 1. As time goes on however you will gain more skills, earn more cash to buy more cool stuff (houses, vendors, your own ship etc.) and become more effective.

On day 1 you will be reliant on your guild to supply you with gear, and the raw muscle to survive the raid. As time goes on you are able to contribute more and more to the fight.

Cuelda · December 2009

Originally posted by makerzyo

I was going to try darkfall until I read this post, I thought the game was supposed to be hardcore. If some newb can do anything in the first week sounds like it would get boring after a week, if nothing changes from 1 week into the game to 6 months into the game...

If you can only enjoy the sweet part of a game, after you've been forced into 6 months of crappy gameplay, then it's your loss.

Plus, like I said, it's not like you'll make a great difference in the big events. That doesn't bar them from being unbelievably fun though.

Cuelda · December 2009

Originally posted by Cuelda

Originally posted by Xianthos
I never told i didnt experience them, but it werent first week. And i hardly can believe you that you experienced everything first week.

I did experience a siege, at least one naval battle at a fortress, + other PVP battles, +Some intersting PVE events, +exploration, +scouting for my clan, +conquering villages +driving a raft around. Also, I harvested from most types of nodes known to man and I fought on a mount. All of the above before the first 7 days of actual game time where over. (Beta doesn't count )

And I have screenshots and vids to prove it.

Darkfall has treated me fairly well, I'm not complaining.

Holy crap, how did I forget?

I also sailed around on a Manowar on my 6th day:

img35.imageshack.us/img35/2460/darkfall200912142316460.jpg

I am a lucky SOB, I know.

DarthRaiden · December 2009

Originally posted by Cuelda

Originally posted by Cuelda

Originally posted by Xianthos
I never told i didnt experience them, but it werent first week. And i hardly can believe you that you experienced everything first week.

I did experience a siege, at least one naval battle at a fortress, + other PVP battles, +Some intersting PVE events, +exploration, +scouting for my clan, +conquering villages +driving a raft around. Also, I harvested from most types of nodes known to man and I fought on a mount. All of the above before the first 7 days of actual game time where over. (Beta doesn't count )

And I have screenshots and vids to prove it.

Darkfall has treated me fairly well, I'm not complaining.

Holy crap, how did I forget?

I also sailed around on a Manowar on my 6th day:

img35.imageshack.us/img35/2460/darkfall200912142316460.jpg

I am a lucky SOB, I know.

You are , i play 9 months and still never been on a manowar's deck even.

daarco · December 2009

Originally posted by makerzyo

I was going to try darkfall until I read this post, I thought the game was supposed to be hardcore. If some newb can do anything in the first week sounds like it would get boring after a week, if nothing changes from 1 week into the game to 6 months into the game...

LOL

"If nothing changes"!

You do know DF is a player driven sandbox MMO right? There is no way you can be everywere all the time. Every minute there are something new happening somewere.

DF is not WoW, with a static gameworld.

Seytan · December 2009

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by makerzyo

I was going to try darkfall until I read this post, I thought the game was supposed to be hardcore. If some newb can do anything in the first week sounds like it would get boring after a week, if nothing changes from 1 week into the game to 6 months into the game...

LOL

"If nothing changes"!

You do know DF is a player driven sandbox MMO right? There is no way you can be everywere all the time. Every minute there are something new happening somewere.

DF is not WoW, with a static gameworld.

Whaaa? Static gameworld? What part of the DFO gameworld is in flux, or motion? Do you have mob migrations? A dynamic weather system that affects your line of sight or affects your character in some manner as a reflection of the weather front you are under? Do harvesting nodes disappear over time only to have to be rediscovered in other areas?

Regarding WOW, I played it for three years, its the second longest MMO ive subbed to, DAOC being the first, and there wasnt much about the game that was "static" other then the fact that all the locations...yep...were always in the same place. Which mind you is good becuase I didnt want to have to find Org every time I logged in. Further...as far as PVP went, I never ever was only at one place, me and my mates would run all over the game world looking to cause trouble.

As a aside, you can also do MUCH more in WOW then you can in DF. May not accept this fact but its true. Can you mind control peeps off a zep into the ocean? Can you set up a extortion racket compelling people to pay you to prevent you from killing thier quest givers? Argent Dawn in plaguelands as a example.

Can you own a entire zone and suddenly find yourself the object of a chase involving a hundred people bent to get you because you were ambushing peeps for hours trying to quest?

To conclude, there is a reason WOW has twelve million suscribers, and DFO has...(insert favorite number here).

Ruyn · December 2009

Originally posted by Seytan

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by makerzyo

I was going to try darkfall until I read this post, I thought the game was supposed to be hardcore. If some newb can do anything in the first week sounds like it would get boring after a week, if nothing changes from 1 week into the game to 6 months into the game...

LOL

"If nothing changes"!

You do know DF is a player driven sandbox MMO right? There is no way you can be everywere all the time. Every minute there are something new happening somewere.

DF is not WoW, with a static gameworld.

Whaaa? Static gameworld? What part of the DFO gameworld is in flux, or motion? Do you have mob migrations? A dynamic weather system that affects your line of sight or affects your character in some manner as a reflection of the weather front you are under? Do harvesting nodes disappear over time only to have to be rediscovered in other areas?

Regarding WOW, I played it for three years, its the second longest MMO ive subbed to, DAOC being the first, and there wasnt much about the game that was "static" other then the fact that all the locations...yep...were always in the same place. Which mind you is good becuase I didnt want to have to find Org every time I logged in. Further...as far as PVP went, I never ever was only at one place, me and my mates would run all over the game world looking to cause trouble.

As a aside, you can also do MUCH more in WOW then you can in DF. May not accept this fact but its true. Can you mind control peeps off a zep into the ocean? Can you set up a extortion racket compelling people to pay you to prevent you from killing thier quest givers? Argent Dawn in plaguelands as a example.

Can you own a entire zone and suddenly find yourself the object of a chase involving a hundred people bent to get you because you were ambushing peeps for hours trying to quest?

To conclude, there is a reason WOW has twelve million suscribers, and DFO has...(insert favorite number here).

Darkfall is superior to WoW in every way except one. That is the carebear way.

Seytan · December 2009

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by Seytan

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by makerzyo

I was going to try darkfall until I read this post, I thought the game was supposed to be hardcore. If some newb can do anything in the first week sounds like it would get boring after a week, if nothing changes from 1 week into the game to 6 months into the game...

LOL

"If nothing changes"!

You do know DF is a player driven sandbox MMO right? There is no way you can be everywere all the time. Every minute there are something new happening somewere.

DF is not WoW, with a static gameworld.

Whaaa? Static gameworld? What part of the DFO gameworld is in flux, or motion? Do you have mob migrations? A dynamic weather system that affects your line of sight or affects your character in some manner as a reflection of the weather front you are under? Do harvesting nodes disappear over time only to have to be rediscovered in other areas?

Regarding WOW, I played it for three years, its the second longest MMO ive subbed to, DAOC being the first, and there wasnt much about the game that was "static" other then the fact that all the locations...yep...were always in the same place. Which mind you is good becuase I didnt want to have to find Org every time I logged in. Further...as far as PVP went, I never ever was only at one place, me and my mates would run all over the game world looking to cause trouble.

As a aside, you can also do MUCH more in WOW then you can in DF. May not accept this fact but its true. Can you mind control peeps off a zep into the ocean? Can you set up a extortion racket compelling people to pay you to prevent you from killing thier quest givers? Argent Dawn in plaguelands as a example.

Can you own a entire zone and suddenly find yourself the object of a chase involving a hundred people bent to get you because you were ambushing peeps for hours trying to quest?

To conclude, there is a reason WOW has twelve million suscribers, and DFO has...(insert favorite number here).

Darkfall is superior to WoW in every way except one. That is the carebear way.

ROFL! Your powers of debate have left me quite literally...speechless.

daarco · December 2009

Originally posted by Seytan

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by makerzyo

I was going to try darkfall until I read this post, I thought the game was supposed to be hardcore. If some newb can do anything in the first week sounds like it would get boring after a week, if nothing changes from 1 week into the game to 6 months into the game...

LOL

"If nothing changes"!

You do know DF is a player driven sandbox MMO right? There is no way you can be everywere all the time. Every minute there are something new happening somewere.

DF is not WoW, with a static gameworld.

Whaaa? Static gameworld? What part of the DFO gameworld is in flux, or motion? Do you have mob migrations? A dynamic weather system that affects your line of sight or affects your character in some manner as a reflection of the weather front you are under? Do harvesting nodes disappear over time only to have to be rediscovered in other areas?

Regarding WOW, I played it for three years, its the second longest MMO ive subbed to, DAOC being the first, and there wasnt much about the game that was "static" other then the fact that all the locations...yep...were always in the same place. Which mind you is good becuase I didnt want to have to find Org every time I logged in. Further...as far as PVP went, I never ever was only at one place, me and my mates would run all over the game world looking to cause trouble.

As a aside, you can also do MUCH more in WOW then you can in DF. May not accept this fact but its true. Can you mind control peeps off a zep into the ocean? Can you set up a extortion racket compelling people to pay you to prevent you from killing thier quest givers? Argent Dawn in plaguelands as a example.

Can you own a entire zone and suddenly find yourself the object of a chase involving a hundred people bent to get you because you were ambushing peeps for hours trying to quest?

To conclude, there is a reason WOW has twelve million suscribers, and DFO has...(insert favorite number here).

I really hope you are using sarcasm right now!

What does a dynamic weather systen have to do with WoW? As if that would mean anything to the gameplay? And are you saying there is more to do in WoW then in Darkfall, what exactly can you do in WoW?.......wich you cant to in Darkfall? How about naval combat, sieges, building kingdoms, mounted combat, trading (not with a AH), and in DF a city can be gone the next time you login because it can be destroyed in a plyer driven war.

And DF have only been out for a year, add a few more expansions and we will have even more to do : )

What you get in a themepark MMO when a expansion hits ? Ten more levels and a new area!

I think we never should talk about this again. The level of idiocracy is embarrising for both. Its like trying to explain to a creationist. They wont understand even if they have the evidence infront of them. Because they dont want to understand, they are happy with the ideas they have and wont change them.

To conclude, DF is not a static game as WoW is. And just because something is good does not mean it is popular. The one that can claim it is best get most people. I see MrT doing adds for WoW three times every day on TV......how often have anyone seen anything about Darkfall : (

seabeast · December 2009

I think there is some good points here, I mean where else can you do a little downloading and fly a ship in one day? Without question, you can hack-a-thon in one day.

jimmyman99 · December 2009

Originally posted by Seytan

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by Seytan

Originally posted by daarco

Originally posted by makerzyo

I was going to try darkfall until I read this post, I thought the game was supposed to be hardcore. If some newb can do anything in the first week sounds like it would get boring after a week, if nothing changes from 1 week into the game to 6 months into the game...

LOL

"If nothing changes"!

You do know DF is a player driven sandbox MMO right? There is no way you can be everywere all the time. Every minute there are something new happening somewere.

DF is not WoW, with a static gameworld.

Whaaa? Static gameworld? What part of the DFO gameworld is in flux, or motion? Do you have mob migrations? A dynamic weather system that affects your line of sight or affects your character in some manner as a reflection of the weather front you are under? Do harvesting nodes disappear over time only to have to be rediscovered in other areas?

Regarding WOW, I played it for three years, its the second longest MMO ive subbed to, DAOC being the first, and there wasnt much about the game that was "static" other then the fact that all the locations...yep...were always in the same place. Which mind you is good becuase I didnt want to have to find Org every time I logged in. Further...as far as PVP went, I never ever was only at one place, me and my mates would run all over the game world looking to cause trouble.

As a aside, you can also do MUCH more in WOW then you can in DF. May not accept this fact but its true. Can you mind control peeps off a zep into the ocean? Can you set up a extortion racket compelling people to pay you to prevent you from killing thier quest givers? Argent Dawn in plaguelands as a example.

Can you own a entire zone and suddenly find yourself the object of a chase involving a hundred people bent to get you because you were ambushing peeps for hours trying to quest?

To conclude, there is a reason WOW has twelve million suscribers, and DFO has...(insert favorite number here).

Darkfall is superior to WoW in every way except one. That is the carebear way.

ROFL! Your powers of debate have left me quite literally...speechless.

Do not mind Ruyn, he is the new old DarthRaiden - the one who is impossible to reason with and who uses "WoW" and/or "carebear" in 90% cases of his swear sentences.

@daarco: DF is just as static as WoW. I don't see how ability to build pre-defined buildings in pre-defined locations makes it dynamic.

Ruyn · December 2009

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Originally posted by Seytan

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Originally posted by Seytan

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Originally posted by makerzyo

I was going to try darkfall until I read this post, I thought the game was supposed to be hardcore. If some newb can do anything in the first week sounds like it would get boring after a week, if nothing changes from 1 week into the game to 6 months into the game...