If you took all the people in mmorpg.com that constantly state that WoW has the worst community, and put them in the same game together, my theory is they would be just as bad, and annoyed with each other as they are with WoW's community.
Just look at the way some of these posters treat each other, then they'll claim WoW has the worst community as if they are not part of the problem.
I've had good experiences and bad in just about every online game i've played when it comes to community. Few things i've discovered.
One is first impressions are very important. How you come across initially via text to the person your trying to communicate with.
Two is if text can be taken two different ways, they probably meant it the way that doesn't upset you.
Three is don't expect civil, mature, well mannered conversations or help to always be available via global, zone, regional etc channels. Anonymity with a perceived audience is too much responsibility for some people, young or old. Internet forums are great examples for this phenomenon.
Also, don't expect everyone to enjoy or play the game the same way you do. If your style differs from theirs, doesn't mean you have to be mean to them, or that they are mean for not wanting to play your way. Find someone else who does. If no one plays the game the way you do, it is probably time to find another game.
Nothing excites jaded Grandmasters more than a theoretical novelty
People tend to mistaken bad apples with bad community. I think these days, all MMO's have these bad apples in them. It just so happens WoW is a larger game, with a larger population, therefore they have a larger amount of these bad apples.
It doesn't make WoW's community any better or worse, it simply means there are more of these players that make bad names for the rest of us. I've played too many MMO's, PvE to PvP, it really doesn't matter. Before WoW, EQ1 had the largest population of "bad apples" in the forms of elitists, hardcores, raiders, fanatics, ninja looters, mob trainers, holy trinity min/maxers, etc.. After WoW, because it is now the biggest MMO out there, it now has the most bad apples.
In my career as an MMO'er, I have played many games. The rudest and most immature community of any of those was WoW. I played for about a year on the Gorefiend server with my hubby. The trade chat was abysmal and the trash talking was out of control. One of the reasons I left the game was because of the community. My husband still plays, but tells me it hasn't gotten any better.
In my career as an MMO'er, I have played many games. The rudest and most immature community of any of those was WoW. I played for about a year on the Gorefiend server with my hubby. The trade chat was abysmal and the trash talking was out of control. One of the reasons I left the game was because of the community. My husband still plays, but tells me it hasn't gotten any better.
I showed proof above WOW has 11.500.000+ players and has around 1.2 billion dollars yearly revenu.
Now show me proof of ... "your" theory.
You can't because women wouldn't play it "en masse" if WOW had such a bad community as you would have stated.
So you are clearly NOT that typical 25-54 year old female...
)) Explain ? You can't, unless you want to counter the social study of Nielsen ))
I have nothing to prove. That is my experience and mine alone. I don't know what the woman thing has to do with anything, though or how it proves my experiences false.
In my career as an MMO'er, I have played many games. The rudest and most immature community of any of those was WoW. I played for about a year on the Gorefiend server with my hubby. The trade chat was abysmal and the trash talking was out of control. One of the reasons I left the game was because of the community. My husband still plays, but tells me it hasn't gotten any better.
I showed proof above WOW has 11.500.000+ players and has around 1.2 billion dollars yearly revenu.
Now show me proof of ... "your" theory.
You can't because women wouldn't play it "en masse" if WOW had such a bad community as you would have stated.
So you are clearly NOT that typical 25-54 year old female...
)) Explain ? You can't, unless you want to counter the social study of Nielsen ))
I have nothing to prove. That is my experience and mine alone. I don't know what the woman thing has to do with anything, though or how it proves my experiences false.
...., it simply shows that WoW is the most played game by women between 25-54 year old and so I just wonder why they do play it IF .... IF the community was that bad...
So your experience is not in line with what other women think when playing the game.
Actually it proves more about you than about the social aspects of the game, isn't it ?
Not exactly. They may have a stronger stomach for the immaturity than I, or they may play on different servers with less of what I experienced. Too many factors really to make any kind of diagnosis of me. It also may be helpful to know that I'm not a woman...
In my career as an MMO'er, I have played many games. The rudest and most immature community of any of those was WoW. I played for about a year on the Gorefiend server with my hubby. The trade chat was abysmal and the trash talking was out of control. One of the reasons I left the game was because of the community. My husband still plays, but tells me it hasn't gotten any better.
I showed proof above WOW has 11.500.000+ players and has around 1.2 billion dollars yearly revenu.
Now show me proof of ... "your" theory.
You can't because women wouldn't play it "en masse" if WOW had such a bad community as you would have stated.
So you are clearly NOT that typical 25-54 year old female...
)) Explain ? You can't, unless you want to counter the social study of Nielsen ))
I have nothing to prove. That is my experience and mine alone. I don't know what the woman thing has to do with anything, though or how it proves my experiences false.
...., it simply shows that WoW is the most played game by women between 25-54 year old and so I just wonder why they do play it IF .... IF the community was that bad...
So your experience is not in line with what other women think when playing the game.
Actually it proves more about you than about the social aspects of the game, isn't it ?
Not exactly. They may have a stronger stomach for the immaturity than I, or they may play on different servers with less of what I experienced. Too many factors really to make any kind of diagnosis of me. It also may be helpful to know that I'm not a woman...
I see, because you talked about your husband in the post above....
The random dungeon finder tool has added to the "Bad Community" that wow has. I'll explain why. First off any player in the LFG tool has no reason to be decent to the other players. They won't ever talk to them again. This has happened far too often for me. A good example is with cloaks and some weapons certain classes won't ever use and they roll Need on them just to sell for themselves. People can mouth off and it won't matter because they'll be gone into the giant crowd of people that is your battlegroup and the chances of getting them in your group again are slim and by then you will have forgotten them.
I know you talk about population and how because this game is so much more populated your bound to find alot of jerks, but it's not really that. It's the age group thats playing this game. Based on my personal experience and a few others it seems WoW has attracted a younger age group. and kids will be kids, and most are immature.
I've been playing wow on and off for 4 years and on multiple servers. There are some generous nice individuals but there are far more idiots and losers. The ones who join a 10 man pug and leave after the first boss because they got the drop they needed. The ones who yell at other people for not doing something correctly and then they themselves screw up but shift blame. This game is full of these people. It's a good thing Blizzard made this game solo friendly so you'll never have to deal with the community if you need a break.
The only reason I still play this instead of EQ2 is I have an amazing guild full of friendly cooperative players I could almost call my gamer-family and Raid nights are so much fun. I encourage everyone to find the right guild for them to avoid the atrocious community this game has.
The random dungeon finder tool has added to the "Bad Community" that wow has. I'll explain why. First off any player in the LFG tool has no reason to be decent to the other players. They won't ever talk to them again. This has happened far too often for me. A good example is with cloaks and some weapons certain classes won't ever use and they roll Need on them just to sell for themselves. People can mouth off and it won't matter because they'll be gone into the giant crowd of people that is your battlegroup and the chances of getting them in your group again are slim and by then you will have forgotten them.
I know you talk about population and how because this game is so much more populated your bound to find alot of jerks, but it's not really that. It's the age group thats playing this game. Based on my personal experience and a few others it seems WoW has attracted a younger age group. and kids will be kids, and most are immature.
I've been playing wow on and off for 4 years and on multiple servers. There are some generous nice individuals but there are far more idiots and losers. The ones who join a 10 man pug and leave after the first boss because they got the drop they needed. The ones who yell at other people for not doing something correctly and then they themselves screw up but shift blame. This game is full of these people. It's a good thing Blizzard made this game solo friendly so you'll never have to deal with the community if you need a break.
The only reason I still play this instead of EQ2 is I have an amazing guild full of friendly cooperative players I could almost call my gamer-family and Raid nights are so much fun. I encourage everyone to find the right guild for them to avoid the atrocious community this game has.
You cant realy say thats why they role for the items. Some may have alts that can use said item.
Originally posted by Exavus The only reason I still play this instead of EQ2 is I have an amazing guild full of friendly cooperative players I could almost call my gamer-family and Raid nights are so much fun. I encourage everyone to find the right guild for them to avoid the atrocious community this game has.
I have to agree this is what makes it so much fun for me. We have a couple "comedians" in the guild, and it is absolutely hilarious some nights.
/sigh
Without that I am getting bored with WoW. Need a break from it.
Nothing excites jaded Grandmasters more than a theoretical novelty
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Any current active sub numbers from Blizz to substantiate its 20 X more played than EVE, the Game Of The Year?
If you took all the people in mmorpg.com that constantly state that WoW has the worst community, and put them in the same game together, my theory is they would be just as bad, and annoyed with each other as they are with WoW's community.
Just look at the way some of these posters treat each other, then they'll claim WoW has the worst community as if they are not part of the problem.
I've had good experiences and bad in just about every online game i've played when it comes to community. Few things i've discovered.
One is first impressions are very important. How you come across initially via text to the person your trying to communicate with.
Two is if text can be taken two different ways, they probably meant it the way that doesn't upset you.
Three is don't expect civil, mature, well mannered conversations or help to always be available via global, zone, regional etc channels. Anonymity with a perceived audience is too much responsibility for some people, young or old. Internet forums are great examples for this phenomenon.
Also, don't expect everyone to enjoy or play the game the same way you do. If your style differs from theirs, doesn't mean you have to be mean to them, or that they are mean for not wanting to play your way. Find someone else who does. If no one plays the game the way you do, it is probably time to find another game.
Nothing excites jaded Grandmasters more than a theoretical novelty
People tend to mistaken bad apples with bad community. I think these days, all MMO's have these bad apples in them. It just so happens WoW is a larger game, with a larger population, therefore they have a larger amount of these bad apples.
It doesn't make WoW's community any better or worse, it simply means there are more of these players that make bad names for the rest of us. I've played too many MMO's, PvE to PvP, it really doesn't matter. Before WoW, EQ1 had the largest population of "bad apples" in the forms of elitists, hardcores, raiders, fanatics, ninja looters, mob trainers, holy trinity min/maxers, etc.. After WoW, because it is now the biggest MMO out there, it now has the most bad apples.
EQ1-AC1-DAOC-FFXI-L2-EQ2-WoW-DDO-GW-LoTR-VG-WAR-GW2-ESO
In my career as an MMO'er, I have played many games. The rudest and most immature community of any of those was WoW. I played for about a year on the Gorefiend server with my hubby. The trade chat was abysmal and the trash talking was out of control. One of the reasons I left the game was because of the community. My husband still plays, but tells me it hasn't gotten any better.
Well you may think that but EVE is even worse then WoW and thats how CCP wanted it , otherwise why make greifing a part of the game ?
I showed proof above WOW has 11.500.000+ players and has around 1.2 billion dollars yearly revenu.
Now show me proof of ... "your" theory.
You can't because women wouldn't play it "en masse" if WOW had such a bad community as you would have stated.
http://www.wow.com/2009/04/09/nielsen-wow-is-most-played-core-game-by-25-54-females/
So you are clearly NOT that typical 25-54 year old female...
I have nothing to prove. That is my experience and mine alone. I don't know what the woman thing has to do with anything, though or how it proves my experiences false.
I showed proof above WOW has 11.500.000+ players and has around 1.2 billion dollars yearly revenu.
Now show me proof of ... "your" theory.
You can't because women wouldn't play it "en masse" if WOW had such a bad community as you would have stated.
http://www.wow.com/2009/04/09/nielsen-wow-is-most-played-core-game-by-25-54-females/
So you are clearly NOT that typical 25-54 year old female...
I have nothing to prove. That is my experience and mine alone. I don't know what the woman thing has to do with anything, though or how it proves my experiences false.
...., it simply shows that WoW is the most played game by women between 25-54 year old and so I just wonder why they do play it IF .... IF the community was that bad...
So your experience is not in line with what other women think when playing the game.
Actually it proves more about you than about the social aspects of the game, isn't it ?
Not exactly. They may have a stronger stomach for the immaturity than I, or they may play on different servers with less of what I experienced. Too many factors really to make any kind of diagnosis of me. It also may be helpful to know that I'm not a woman...
I showed proof above WOW has 11.500.000+ players and has around 1.2 billion dollars yearly revenu.
Now show me proof of ... "your" theory.
You can't because women wouldn't play it "en masse" if WOW had such a bad community as you would have stated.
http://www.wow.com/2009/04/09/nielsen-wow-is-most-played-core-game-by-25-54-females/
So you are clearly NOT that typical 25-54 year old female...
I have nothing to prove. That is my experience and mine alone. I don't know what the woman thing has to do with anything, though or how it proves my experiences false.
...., it simply shows that WoW is the most played game by women between 25-54 year old and so I just wonder why they do play it IF .... IF the community was that bad...
So your experience is not in line with what other women think when playing the game.
Actually it proves more about you than about the social aspects of the game, isn't it ?
Not exactly. They may have a stronger stomach for the immaturity than I, or they may play on different servers with less of what I experienced. Too many factors really to make any kind of diagnosis of me. It also may be helpful to know that I'm not a woman...
I see, because you talked about your husband in the post above....
Easy mistake to make without my clarification.
The random dungeon finder tool has added to the "Bad Community" that wow has. I'll explain why. First off any player in the LFG tool has no reason to be decent to the other players. They won't ever talk to them again. This has happened far too often for me. A good example is with cloaks and some weapons certain classes won't ever use and they roll Need on them just to sell for themselves. People can mouth off and it won't matter because they'll be gone into the giant crowd of people that is your battlegroup and the chances of getting them in your group again are slim and by then you will have forgotten them.
I know you talk about population and how because this game is so much more populated your bound to find alot of jerks, but it's not really that. It's the age group thats playing this game. Based on my personal experience and a few others it seems WoW has attracted a younger age group. and kids will be kids, and most are immature.
I've been playing wow on and off for 4 years and on multiple servers. There are some generous nice individuals but there are far more idiots and losers. The ones who join a 10 man pug and leave after the first boss because they got the drop they needed. The ones who yell at other people for not doing something correctly and then they themselves screw up but shift blame. This game is full of these people. It's a good thing Blizzard made this game solo friendly so you'll never have to deal with the community if you need a break.
The only reason I still play this instead of EQ2 is I have an amazing guild full of friendly cooperative players I could almost call my gamer-family and Raid nights are so much fun. I encourage everyone to find the right guild for them to avoid the atrocious community this game has.
Current MMO: WoW/GW2
You cant realy say thats why they role for the items. Some may have alts that can use said item.
I have to agree this is what makes it so much fun for me. We have a couple "comedians" in the guild, and it is absolutely hilarious some nights.
/sigh
Without that I am getting bored with WoW. Need a break from it.
Nothing excites jaded Grandmasters more than a theoretical novelty