Cutscenes? OMG, do you mean it actually has a storyline?! I'm not surprised to see WoW fans having a hard time liking this game though. It is quite different from the way they play WoW probably. Instead of rushing to the next level, the best way to enjoy a RPG is by doing every single thing there is.
All RPG games have them in some way.
But DA overdoes this.
Try to deny it all you want, but its the truth. (Now IAM STATEING THAT AS A FACT)
Again I will say this,,,,
If you are a fan of Combat RPGs, like the games I listed, then RENT DA before you buy it. Because you will most likely quit cause the game is just that boring.
Movie with Gaming elements. Thats All. Spend more time looking at stupid NPC chating then you do Fighting and such.
Originally posted by tro44_1 Originally posted by Sovrath Originally posted by tro44_1 Originally posted by metalhead980 Originally posted by tro44_1 Originally posted by Thenarius But...you don't order steak and complain about steak, Bioware's direction with this game was pretty clear. Also, you might want to stay away from some JRPGs, you might get a heart attack if Dragon Age pissed you so much.
I may order a Steak, but that Steak may come back not well done. Which is the case with Dragon Age. the game is crap! Just telling you new buyers, dont believe the hype. Rent before you buy! This game is a Movie with game play elements. I brought this game, to actually play a GAME,,,,,,, Not watch a F***ing MOVIE.
What are you talking about? There's tons of gameplay in Dragon Age. Was this your first Bioware Game? all of them are team based with cinematic cut scenese. Do you not like choosing dialog options in Rpgs? Because the game is designed to have you spend a good amount of time talking to NPCs. Also who told you the combat was Hack n slash? Seriously If you really bought this game due to the hype you should have read what type of Rpg is was.
Elder Scrolls Obliv had the same thing, but still wasnt this over done. And the Gameplay was alot better. Side by Side, DA doesnt even come close.
They are completely different types of games. That's like saying a lamborghini is a better car than a Honda. All things being equal, if I want a high performance sporty car that looks great and is fun to drive then all in all, sure the lamborghini is the clear winner. If I want a car that is easy on gas, cheap to fix and that will allow me to move things or carry people to the movies or go on very long drives with friends the honda might be the better car. They are both cars. But both are better suited to different situations. Oblivion allows for a great open world game and great exploration. But its story telling is a bit hit or miss. Afer closing the oblivion gate they ask you if you will help free kvatch. You can say "sure, but I'll be back later" and come back 1 year later with everyone still there waiting to see if you will then join them. By rights Kvatch should have been burned, martin killed and you should be wading through Tamriel like one of the Oblvion worlds. But it allows for story to be put on hold ad infinitum. Also, it is a solo game. You don't control a party. DAO is more about "the story" and your place in it. It also allows you to control a party. In DAO your decisions can mean the difference between a town existing or not existing. In Oblivion you will never have to make that choice as you will never get that choice.
ES:O still has better gameplay.
Add DA's Cutscenes to ES:O's gamyplay, and then I could see it as a good game, where the action makes up for the long Cutscenes. But thats not the case here. Come on, link some videos of DA's combat. Let the new comers see for theirself what I mean. Once again I will say this, Rent the game before you buy it. Dot buy into Hype till you try it. I am a RPG fan, and figured that since the game was being Hyped up so much, that it must be an Awesome game. (Damn, this coming from a guy who plays MMORPGs. feel for hype) Damn the advertisment got me. I though the combat was going to rock. So I brought it, since I wanted more RPGs to play. Played it, and BOOM, combat was dull at best. This games feels like what Lord of the Ring Conquest should have been, or something along those lines
Oblivion snd DA is two completly diffrent games, so why are you arguing ? Oblivion = Action RPG with no option of having a party DA=Tactical/pausable/turnbased style RPG with options for several others to join you in your struggle
Originally posted by tro44_1 Originally posted by erandur Cutscenes? OMG, do you mean it actually has a storyline?! I'm not surprised to see WoW fans having a hard time liking this game though. It is quite different from the way they play WoW probably. Instead of rushing to the next level, the best way to enjoy a RPG is by doing every single thing there is.
All RPG games have them in some way. But DA overdoes this. Try to deny it all you want, but its the truth. (Now IAM STATEING THAT AS A FACT) Again I will say this,,,, If you are a fan of Combat RPGs, like the games I listed, then RENT DA before you buy it. Because you will most likely quit cause the game is just that boring. Movie with Gaming elements. Thats All. Spend more time looking at stupid NPC chating then you do Fighting and such.
Hmm...It seems to me that you really need to better your English ..So listen to the dialogues would be good for you.. DA does NOT have long Cut scenes maybe abit long dialogues here and there. A game that has long dialogues is Planescape:Torment
Try to deny it all you want, but its the truth. (Now IAM STATEING THAT AS A FACT)
Again I will say this,,,,
If you are a fan of Combat RPGs, like the games I listed, then RENT DA before you buy it. Because you will most likely quit cause the game is just that boring.
Movie with Gaming elements. Thats All. Spend more time looking at stupid NPC chating then you do Fighting and such.
Hmm...It seems to me that you really need to better your English ..So listen to the dialogues would be good for you..
DA does NOT have long Cut scenes maybe abit long dialogues here and there.
A game that has long dialogues is Planescape:Torment
The OP would never survive Torment. I imagine he would quit in the first hour. He is looking for an action RPG, not an RPG that is based on storytelling. At least he knows now not to buy Bioware games.
Then you are not looking for a RPG . . ROLE PLAYING GAMES are just that . . . . and the common computer perversion substituted simplicity, and combat because it could not handle dialog and story in a interesting way. Now they can, but now rpg computer game almost means DIABLO or the like (mindless hacking and loot/character management) so people get confused over a side genre (DIABLO like) and a classic RPG.
RPG games do not mean role playing. it is just a term borrowed from DnD's exp system and character development. Many RPG games you cant even name your character.
LoL. Wow. No wonder you didn't like it...
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Titan Quest may be just what the OP is looking for in a game. Hack and slash RPG which in my opinion means, an action game with RPG elements. In all honesty it is one of the best games of that type ive ever played but its not an RPG in the traditional sense. Find a new genre OP. I have a PS3 and there are lots of the hack and slash games available on it and I would assume on xbox as well. I enjoy these games as well as the Bioware games. Just a different breed of cat so to speak.
I have Demon Soul also.. Dont like that game. But still had more fun playing it then DA
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt .... until I read this ...
Go play Torchlight, it's simple, and doesn't require much thought ... right up your alley.
Haha Demon soul actually takes skill like DA on hard mode you just cant rush things in these type of games , please OP stop posting your making a fool out of yourself .
If you cant handle DA and Demon soul 2 of the best rpg's that have come out this year what can you play ??
Diabo , torchlight,titan quest , you fit perfectly with the Wow crowd
Why is it that everything is black and white around here? There is more than deep RPGs and action RPGs. Every game is different. I agree with the OP on DA. I like deep RPGs like the next person, but after the origin story, DA is just an endless mass of overly long dialogues where your choices don't really change anything, then who you may get to sleep with (oooo, get a real gf/bf). The combat is ridiculous. It is not tactical at all when 20 guys rush your 4 and no matter what you try to set up is demolished by 10 people surrounding your character, while bowmen fire right through their own men to hit you. And it still has one of my faves. People leave items laying around in chests so anyone can take them, and don't even try to stop you when you do it right in their own homes. This was supposed to be some amazing new RPG experience and all it is is an interactive movie with some cheesy MMO type quests and obnoxious combats thrown in.
Honestly I think it's really pretty tedious and not too much fun. Not a huge fan of the story, or the characters outside of Morigan. There are far too few unique and interesting fights, but honestly i've thought that Bioware's little formula has gone down hill since the first KoTOR. I have played every KoTOR, Mass Effect, Dragon Age and they are feeling worse and worse to me. I am a fan of the Dragon Age knights and sorcery setting more than SciFi or Star Wars also.
Why is it that everything is black and white around here? There is more than deep RPGs and action RPGs. Every game is different. I agree with the OP on DA. I like deep RPGs like the next person, but after the origin story, DA is just an endless mass of overly long dialogues where your choices don't really change anything, then who you may get to sleep with (oooo, get a real gf/bf). The combat is ridiculous. It is not tactical at all when 20 guys rush your 4 and no matter what you try to set up is demolished by 10 people surrounding your character, while bowmen fire right through their own men to hit you. And it still has one of my faves. People leave items laying around in chests so anyone can take them, and don't even try to stop you when you do it right in their own homes. This was supposed to be some amazing new RPG experience and all it is is an interactive movie with some cheesy MMO type quests and obnoxious combats thrown in.
I agree.
Dam iam so pissed about DA and Demon Soul.
This is what people of this generation are calling Top Console Single player RPG?
Dam cant believe it. I am so pissed, I dont even want to play Call of Duty anymore, or better yet, any PS3 game anymore.
It's amusing how the OP wanted a hack and slash game, such as diablo, and got a different style of an rpg...and went on a rampage stating how bad this game is because it is not your typical "diabloish" game.
Sounds eerily familar with WoW groupies switching games and stating how those said games are not good because they are not just like WoW.
Your name suites you will OP, very well.
"Dam" is spelled Damn for the record...since you said it 500000 times in each post.
Why is it that everything is black and white around here? There is more than deep RPGs and action RPGs. Every game is different. I agree with the OP on DA. I like deep RPGs like the next person, but after the origin story, DA is just an endless mass of overly long dialogues where your choices don't really change anything, then who you may get to sleep with (oooo, get a real gf/bf). The combat is ridiculous. It is not tactical at all when 20 guys rush your 4 and no matter what you try to set up is demolished by 10 people surrounding your character, while bowmen fire right through their own men to hit you. And it still has one of my faves. People leave items laying around in chests so anyone can take them, and don't even try to stop you when you do it right in their own homes. This was supposed to be some amazing new RPG experience and all it is is an interactive movie with some cheesy MMO type quests and obnoxious combats thrown in.
I agree.
Dam iam so pissed about DA and Demon Soul.
This is what people of this generation are calling Top Console Single player RPG?
Dam cant believe it. I am so pissed, I dont even want to play Call of Duty anymore, or better yet, any PS3 game anymore.
So, because you didn't really understand what game you were buying; it's not only crap, but every other game on the ps3 is crap as well?
I've played the entire game once, and never will again probably.
However, I can safely say that the longest cutscene I saw in this ROLEPLAYING game (You know, where you play a role of someone in a story?) was only around three minutes long, and it was rather epic if I do say so. Conversations aren't cutscenes either. It makes sense to talk and get information before attempting a heroic action.
I think this game isn't for you, (Original Poster) but you are unfortunately part of a minority as the general fan of Roleplaying games know what they were getting. A story you can shape and take part in. There was plenty of combat. Everytime i attempted to travel, i was attacked by bandits, assassins or some other kind of opponents.
I believe i saw you say that you played the PS3 version. It got bad reviews in some cases. I played the PC and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Well at least now you know what a real RPG game is, and can make a better decision to benefit your tastes in future.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
Why is it that everything is black and white around here? There is more than deep RPGs and action RPGs. Every game is different. I agree with the OP on DA. I like deep RPGs like the next person, but after the origin story, DA is just an endless mass of overly long dialogues where your choices don't really change anything, then who you may get to sleep with (oooo, get a real gf/bf). The combat is ridiculous. It is not tactical at all when 20 guys rush your 4 and no matter what you try to set up is demolished by 10 people surrounding your character, while bowmen fire right through their own men to hit you. And it still has one of my faves. People leave items laying around in chests so anyone can take them, and don't even try to stop you when you do it right in their own homes. This was supposed to be some amazing new RPG experience and all it is is an interactive movie with some cheesy MMO type quests and obnoxious combats thrown in.
Ok I really don't get this statement, Lauranda. Did you finish the game? Did you even make it halfway through? Your choices in these dialogues impact the game hugely (at least in the PC version, I can't speak for console versions). Through dialogues you can change the entire ending of the game. Not to mention have different party members leave, whether by you telling them to, or by upsetting them so much they leave on their own. Party members will even turn on you in crucial moments if you don't make the "right" choices as far as they are concerned. So the dialogues are very important, not just for story development, but for plot development as well. Yes, I agree the plotline in DA:O is rather predicatable, but you can add so much to it and change the ending if you pay attention to these "endless mass" of dialogues.
As for your second point, (the green one) I don't know about you, but when "20 guys" rush me, you can bet your sorry butt that tactics are not just important but are down right critical. Mess up your "Mind Blast" spell and you won't affect all the enemy, toss your fire bomb in the wrong place and blow up your own people, don't get your rogues in a backstab postion and you reduce their effectiveness. What isn't tactical about that?
As for your final point I agree with this. In only a few places do people prevent you from looting their belongings. This doesn't make sense to me. If someone entered my house and started rummaging around my desks, bookcases and wardrobes, I'd be rather upset about it and confront them, or if they were heavily armed I'd at least call the police...
Why is it that everything is black and white around here? There is more than deep RPGs and action RPGs. Every game is different. I agree with the OP on DA. I like deep RPGs like the next person, but after the origin story, DA is just an endless mass of overly long dialogues where your choices don't really change anything, then who you may get to sleep with (oooo, get a real gf/bf). The combat is ridiculous. It is not tactical at all when 20 guys rush your 4 and no matter what you try to set up is demolished by 10 people surrounding your character, while bowmen fire right through their own men to hit you. And it still has one of my faves. People leave items laying around in chests so anyone can take them, and don't even try to stop you when you do it right in their own homes. This was supposed to be some amazing new RPG experience and all it is is an interactive movie with some cheesy MMO type quests and obnoxious combats thrown in.
I agree.
Dam iam so pissed about DA and Demon Soul.
This is what people of this generation are calling Top Console Single player RPG?
Dam cant believe it. I am so pissed, I dont even want to play Call of Duty anymore, or better yet, any PS3 game anymore.
So, because you didn't really understand what game you were buying; it's not only crap, but every other game on the ps3 is crap as well?
Just curious, but how old are you?
Iam a RPG fan. And if this is what people are calling Top RPG nowdays on the newer systems, then I give up on PS3 ever getting good RPG games like the PS2.
I wouldnt even mind if Developers remade PS3 versions of PS2 RPgs with new features like mutiplayer and Downloadable stuff and such.
Point is, this generation doesnt really have many interesting RPG games. What was Bioware doing during the PS2/Box age?
Why is it that everything is black and white around here? There is more than deep RPGs and action RPGs. Every game is different. I agree with the OP on DA. I like deep RPGs like the next person, but after the origin story, DA is just an endless mass of overly long dialogues where your choices don't really change anything, then who you may get to sleep with (oooo, get a real gf/bf). The combat is ridiculous. It is not tactical at all when 20 guys rush your 4 and no matter what you try to set up is demolished by 10 people surrounding your character, while bowmen fire right through their own men to hit you. And it still has one of my faves. People leave items laying around in chests so anyone can take them, and don't even try to stop you when you do it right in their own homes. This was supposed to be some amazing new RPG experience and all it is is an interactive movie with some cheesy MMO type quests and obnoxious combats thrown in.
I agree.
Dam iam so pissed about DA and Demon Soul.
This is what people of this generation are calling Top Console Single player RPG?
Dam cant believe it. I am so pissed, I dont even want to play Call of Duty anymore, or better yet, any PS3 game anymore.
So, because you didn't really understand what game you were buying; it's not only crap, but every other game on the ps3 is crap as well?
Just curious, but how old are you?
Iam a RPG fan. And IN MY OPINION if this is what people are calling Top RPG nowdays on the newer systems, then I give up on PS3 ever getting good RPG games like the PS2.
I wouldnt even mind if Developers remade PS3 versions of PS2 RPgs with new features like mutiplayer and Downloadable stuff and such.
Point is, IN MY OPINION this generation doesnt really have many interesting RPG games. What was Bioware doing during the PS2/Box age?
Ok we get it, you like the old school turn based JRPGs and hate everything else. Why is this thread still going?
Anyway, almost everyone except you is happy with DA:O and Demon Souls, enjoying both very much. When you are the exception and not the rule...usually you are the problem and not the product.
Iam a RPG fan. And if this is what people are calling Top RPG nowdays on the newer systems, then I give up on PS3 ever getting good RPG games like the PS2.
I wouldnt even mind if Developers remade PS3 versions of PS2 RPgs with new features like mutiplayer and Downloadable stuff and such.
Point is, this generation doesnt really have many interesting RPG games. What was Bioware doing during the PS2/Box age?
Ah, now it all becomes clear. You're NOT an rpg fan. Or at least, not a computer one. You're a JRPG/console rpg fan. COMPLETELY different beasts. You want to call yourself an rpg fan? Track down some Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, or the single greatest computer rpg of all time (in my humble opinion) Planescape: Torment. And if you want to see what Bioware was doing for consoles, look for Jade Empire or KOTOR for the XBox. One is brilliant, the other is quite well done, if under-rated in my opinion.
Why is it that everything is black and white around here? There is more than deep RPGs and action RPGs. Every game is different. I agree with the OP on DA. I like deep RPGs like the next person, but after the origin story, DA is just an endless mass of overly long dialogues where your choices don't really change anything, then who you may get to sleep with (oooo, get a real gf/bf). The combat is ridiculous. It is not tactical at all when 20 guys rush your 4 and no matter what you try to set up is demolished by 10 people surrounding your character, while bowmen fire right through their own men to hit you. And it still has one of my faves. People leave items laying around in chests so anyone can take them, and don't even try to stop you when you do it right in their own homes. This was supposed to be some amazing new RPG experience and all it is is an interactive movie with some cheesy MMO type quests and obnoxious combats thrown in.
I agree.
Dam iam so pissed about DA and Demon Soul.
This is what people of this generation are calling Top Console Single player RPG?
Dam cant believe it. I am so pissed, I dont even want to play Call of Duty anymore, or better yet, any PS3 game anymore.
So, because you didn't really understand what game you were buying; it's not only crap, but every other game on the ps3 is crap as well?
Just curious, but how old are you?
Iam a RPG fan. And if this is what people are calling Top RPG nowdays on the newer systems, then I give up on PS3 ever getting good RPG games like the PS2.
I wouldnt even mind if Developers remade PS3 versions of PS2 RPgs with new features like mutiplayer and Downloadable stuff and such.
Point is, this generation doesnt really have many interesting RPG games. What was Bioware doing during the PS2/Box age?
There is only one thing to say to this...what? That is the only possible reply from anyone that liked JRPGS or just rpgs in general. I can count on one hand the number of innovative ps2 games/box games that were astounding or impressive in any way.
Fable was meh with story being far too shoddy with the ending.
Jade empire was pretty good, but Kotor was the real shining gem among the bioware box games...so yeah bioware was still a top notch company with Kotor.
Final fantasy was lacking in all departments of character development having mostly flat characters with reused storyline of teens vs god so nope no innovation there just reusing.
Sequel to Legaia came out...wasn't nearly half as good.
Persona? Yeah persona finally made a comeback from its earlier days but that's pretty new since 3 and 4 came out only a year or two ago so we can't count them if we are talking about the old days.
Ar Tonelico? Or any game by nis? Yeah...they were alright maybe a 6/10? The new features of alchemy were nice...but it was reused to every single game.
.Hack? Eh pretty boring if you ask me.
So...wait top notch games for the ps2? What? Where were you living? Were most of your gaming experiences done on drugs? If you want to get into a debate of their are no top notch games now..you would need to harken back to innovation land of ps1 and sega cd and snes [For star ocean 1] To even say top notch to me. The good games were star ocean, suikoden series, lunar and legaia all of those were innovative in some fashion. Star ocean with party system. Suikoden with rts features, lunar with customer treatment [They were the company that cared!] Legend of legaia had a fighter game style turn based system.
All in all top notch games didn't exist on the ps2 until recently, up until this point they were meh games, you must be young to think they ps2 was the godsend of rpgs...it wasn't
DO is a good game in all aspects even with its flaws, it's still quality and strays from the teens vs god path. Story is what is important in rpgs, if you are going to tell me that there is such a thing as too much story...then you didn't live through the golden age of rpgs like you claim.
I agree. Dam iam so pissed about DA and Demon Soul. This is what people of this generation are calling Top Console Single player RPG? Dam cant believe it. I am so pissed, I dont even want to play Call of Duty anymore, or better yet, any PS3 game anymore.
So why don't you wait and get Valkyrie Chronicles, White Knight Chronicles, Disgaea3, Star Ocean 4, Last Remnant or even FFXIII if you like JRPGs?
About Demon's Souls, well, you said you tried to play it as you play Ninja Gaiden, you said you don't know how to use a healing item, you said you wanted to "roll and dogde" with a heavy armored character, you even said you attacked a NPC (accidentally) and didn't understand why he want to kill you... How can you say a game you don't know how to play is bad?
You are doing the same with Dragon Age, your criticism could be rational, but right now, you are just lost it.
This game is very boring!! Damn the cut scenes are just crazy annoying. Damn and we cant even skip them. The game is just too damn slow. Tired of having to keep saving, just so I dont have to go through and repeat scenes if ya get killed.
press B to skip em and your def the type that enjoys quality games stick to CS no cutscenes
I think, in my opinion, the biggest issue with this game (not sure if it has been covered) is it is basically an MMO but single player. In MMOs people want to level up quick and show how 'awesome' they are and they skip the stories/history/etc. and I think that is why some people do not enjoy Dragon Age. MMOs have shifted a lot of people's views and I think that is what contributes to this.
Originally posted by WhackANewbie Originally posted by Frostbite05 Originally posted by tro44_1 This game is very boring!! Damn the cut scenes are just crazy annoying. Damn and we cant even skip them. The game is just too damn slow. Tired of having to keep saving, just so I dont have to go through and repeat scenes if ya get killed.
press B to skip em and your def the type that enjoys quality games stick to CS no cutscenes
I think, in my opinion, the biggest issue with this game (not sure if it has been covered) is it is basically an MMO but single player. In MMOs people want to level up quick and show how 'awesome' they are and they skip the stories/history/etc. and I think that is why some people do not enjoy Dragon Age. MMOs have shifted a lot of people's views and I think that is what contributes to this.
I am going to enjoy watching these people fail in TOR.
The presentation in Dragon Age is sharp, but it isn't nearly as impressive as other games. In fact, some of the character models and graphics look like they are a few years old, so they don't pack the same visual punch you'd expect from such a high profile game. On a positive note, the ability to manipulate the camera viewpoints is useful and well executed.
Incredibly deep and expansive, Dragon Age: Origins is one of those titles that can easily swallow up dozens of hours of play and keep you coming back for more.
The fact that BioWare chose to include downloadable content, including a new character and side quest, on launch day proves that they have an extensive plan for supporting the game.
Couple that with the fact that each character can be developed in radically different ways, and you have an adventure that earns its own place among BioWare's expansive RPG collection.
This is the kind of adventure that fantasy RPG fans have been hoping that BioWare would deliver – a game with a ton of re-playability and an incredibly vivid world that is the start of an impressive franchise.
Thank God I found this thread. For awhile I though there was somthing wrong with me. I uninstalled the game after the first real town you come to in the game, and have never looked back.
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All RPG games have them in some way.
But DA overdoes this.
Try to deny it all you want, but its the truth. (Now IAM STATEING THAT AS A FACT)
Again I will say this,,,,
If you are a fan of Combat RPGs, like the games I listed, then RENT DA before you buy it. Because you will most likely quit cause the game is just that boring.
Movie with Gaming elements. Thats All. Spend more time looking at stupid NPC chating then you do Fighting and such.
I may order a Steak, but that Steak may come back not well done.
Which is the case with Dragon Age.
the game is crap!
Just telling you new buyers, dont believe the hype. Rent before you buy! This game is a Movie with game play elements.
I brought this game, to actually play a GAME,,,,,,, Not watch a F***ing MOVIE.
What are you talking about? There's tons of gameplay in Dragon Age.
Was this your first Bioware Game? all of them are team based with cinematic cut scenese.
Do you not like choosing dialog options in Rpgs? Because the game is designed to have you spend a good amount of time talking to NPCs.
Also who told you the combat was Hack n slash?
Seriously If you really bought this game due to the hype you should have read what type of Rpg is was.
Elder Scrolls Obliv had the same thing, but still wasnt this over done. And the Gameplay was alot better. Side by Side, DA doesnt even come close.
They are completely different types of games.
That's like saying a lamborghini is a better car than a Honda.
All things being equal, if I want a high performance sporty car that looks great and is fun to drive then all in all, sure the lamborghini is the clear winner.
If I want a car that is easy on gas, cheap to fix and that will allow me to move things or carry people to the movies or go on very long drives with friends the honda might be the better car.
They are both cars. But both are better suited to different situations.
Oblivion allows for a great open world game and great exploration. But its story telling is a bit hit or miss. Afer closing the oblivion gate they ask you if you will help free kvatch. You can say "sure, but I'll be back later" and come back 1 year later with everyone still there waiting to see if you will then join them.
By rights Kvatch should have been burned, martin killed and you should be wading through Tamriel like one of the Oblvion worlds. But it allows for story to be put on hold ad infinitum. Also, it is a solo game. You don't control a party.
DAO is more about "the story" and your place in it. It also allows you to control a party.
In DAO your decisions can mean the difference between a town existing or not existing.
In Oblivion you will never have to make that choice as you will never get that choice.
ES:O still has better gameplay.
Add DA's Cutscenes to ES:O's gamyplay, and then I could see it as a good game, where the action makes up for the long Cutscenes. But thats not the case here.
Come on, link some videos of DA's combat. Let the new comers see for theirself what I mean.
Once again I will say this, Rent the game before you buy it. Dot buy into Hype till you try it.
I am a RPG fan, and figured that since the game was being Hyped up so much, that it must be an Awesome game. (Damn, this coming from a guy who plays MMORPGs. feel for hype)
Damn the advertisment got me. I though the combat was going to rock.
So I brought it, since I wanted more RPGs to play. Played it, and BOOM, combat was dull at best. This games feels like what Lord of the Ring Conquest should have been, or something along those lines
Oblivion snd DA is two completly diffrent games, so why are you arguing ?
Oblivion = Action RPG with no option of having a party
DA=Tactical/pausable/turnbased style RPG with options for several others to join you in your struggle
All RPG games have them in some way.
But DA overdoes this.
Try to deny it all you want, but its the truth. (Now IAM STATEING THAT AS A FACT)
Again I will say this,,,,
If you are a fan of Combat RPGs, like the games I listed, then RENT DA before you buy it. Because you will most likely quit cause the game is just that boring.
Movie with Gaming elements. Thats All. Spend more time looking at stupid NPC chating then you do Fighting and such.
Hmm...It seems to me that you really need to better your English ..So listen to the dialogues would be good for you..
DA does NOT have long Cut scenes maybe abit long dialogues here and there.
A game that has long dialogues is Planescape:Torment
Hmm...It seems to me that you really need to better your English ..So listen to the dialogues would be good for you..
DA does NOT have long Cut scenes maybe abit long dialogues here and there.
A game that has long dialogues is Planescape:Torment
The OP would never survive Torment. I imagine he would quit in the first hour. He is looking for an action RPG, not an RPG that is based on storytelling. At least he knows now not to buy Bioware games.
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt .... until I read this ...
Go play Torchlight, it's simple, and doesn't require much thought ... right up your alley.
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RPG games do not mean role playing. it is just a term borrowed from DnD's exp system and character development. Many RPG games you cant even name your character.
LoL. Wow. No wonder you didn't like it...
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Titan Quest may be just what the OP is looking for in a game. Hack and slash RPG which in my opinion means, an action game with RPG elements. In all honesty it is one of the best games of that type ive ever played but its not an RPG in the traditional sense. Find a new genre OP. I have a PS3 and there are lots of the hack and slash games available on it and I would assume on xbox as well. I enjoy these games as well as the Bioware games. Just a different breed of cat so to speak.
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt .... until I read this ...
Go play Torchlight, it's simple, and doesn't require much thought ... right up your alley.
Haha Demon soul actually takes skill like DA on hard mode you just cant rush things in these type of games , please OP stop posting your making a fool out of yourself .
If you cant handle DA and Demon soul 2 of the best rpg's that have come out this year what can you play ??
Diabo , torchlight,titan quest , you fit perfectly with the Wow crowd
Why is it that everything is black and white around here? There is more than deep RPGs and action RPGs. Every game is different. I agree with the OP on DA. I like deep RPGs like the next person, but after the origin story, DA is just an endless mass of overly long dialogues where your choices don't really change anything, then who you may get to sleep with (oooo, get a real gf/bf). The combat is ridiculous. It is not tactical at all when 20 guys rush your 4 and no matter what you try to set up is demolished by 10 people surrounding your character, while bowmen fire right through their own men to hit you. And it still has one of my faves. People leave items laying around in chests so anyone can take them, and don't even try to stop you when you do it right in their own homes. This was supposed to be some amazing new RPG experience and all it is is an interactive movie with some cheesy MMO type quests and obnoxious combats thrown in.
Honestly I think it's really pretty tedious and not too much fun. Not a huge fan of the story, or the characters outside of Morigan. There are far too few unique and interesting fights, but honestly i've thought that Bioware's little formula has gone down hill since the first KoTOR. I have played every KoTOR, Mass Effect, Dragon Age and they are feeling worse and worse to me. I am a fan of the Dragon Age knights and sorcery setting more than SciFi or Star Wars also.
I agree.
Dam iam so pissed about DA and Demon Soul.
This is what people of this generation are calling Top Console Single player RPG?
Dam cant believe it. I am so pissed, I dont even want to play Call of Duty anymore, or better yet, any PS3 game anymore.
You guys should just stick with the Hack n' Slash Diablo style games.
Apparently Bioware didn't have the ADD crowd in mind when it made DA.
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It's amusing how the OP wanted a hack and slash game, such as diablo, and got a different style of an rpg...and went on a rampage stating how bad this game is because it is not your typical "diabloish" game.
Sounds eerily familar with WoW groupies switching games and stating how those said games are not good because they are not just like WoW.
Your name suites you will OP, very well.
"Dam" is spelled Damn for the record...since you said it 500000 times in each post.
I agree.
Dam iam so pissed about DA and Demon Soul.
This is what people of this generation are calling Top Console Single player RPG?
Dam cant believe it. I am so pissed, I dont even want to play Call of Duty anymore, or better yet, any PS3 game anymore.
So, because you didn't really understand what game you were buying; it's not only crap, but every other game on the ps3 is crap as well?
Just curious, but how old are you?
I've played the entire game once, and never will again probably.
However, I can safely say that the longest cutscene I saw in this ROLEPLAYING game (You know, where you play a role of someone in a story?) was only around three minutes long, and it was rather epic if I do say so. Conversations aren't cutscenes either. It makes sense to talk and get information before attempting a heroic action.
I think this game isn't for you, (Original Poster) but you are unfortunately part of a minority as the general fan of Roleplaying games know what they were getting. A story you can shape and take part in. There was plenty of combat. Everytime i attempted to travel, i was attacked by bandits, assassins or some other kind of opponents.
I believe i saw you say that you played the PS3 version. It got bad reviews in some cases. I played the PC and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Well at least now you know what a real RPG game is, and can make a better decision to benefit your tastes in future.
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Ok I really don't get this statement, Lauranda. Did you finish the game? Did you even make it halfway through? Your choices in these dialogues impact the game hugely (at least in the PC version, I can't speak for console versions). Through dialogues you can change the entire ending of the game. Not to mention have different party members leave, whether by you telling them to, or by upsetting them so much they leave on their own. Party members will even turn on you in crucial moments if you don't make the "right" choices as far as they are concerned. So the dialogues are very important, not just for story development, but for plot development as well. Yes, I agree the plotline in DA:O is rather predicatable, but you can add so much to it and change the ending if you pay attention to these "endless mass" of dialogues.
As for your second point, (the green one) I don't know about you, but when "20 guys" rush me, you can bet your sorry butt that tactics are not just important but are down right critical. Mess up your "Mind Blast" spell and you won't affect all the enemy, toss your fire bomb in the wrong place and blow up your own people, don't get your rogues in a backstab postion and you reduce their effectiveness. What isn't tactical about that?
As for your final point I agree with this. In only a few places do people prevent you from looting their belongings. This doesn't make sense to me. If someone entered my house and started rummaging around my desks, bookcases and wardrobes, I'd be rather upset about it and confront them, or if they were heavily armed I'd at least call the police...
I agree.
Dam iam so pissed about DA and Demon Soul.
This is what people of this generation are calling Top Console Single player RPG?
Dam cant believe it. I am so pissed, I dont even want to play Call of Duty anymore, or better yet, any PS3 game anymore.
So, because you didn't really understand what game you were buying; it's not only crap, but every other game on the ps3 is crap as well?
Just curious, but how old are you?
Iam a RPG fan. And if this is what people are calling Top RPG nowdays on the newer systems, then I give up on PS3 ever getting good RPG games like the PS2.
I wouldnt even mind if Developers remade PS3 versions of PS2 RPgs with new features like mutiplayer and Downloadable stuff and such.
Point is, this generation doesnt really have many interesting RPG games. What was Bioware doing during the PS2/Box age?
I agree.
Dam iam so pissed about DA and Demon Soul.
This is what people of this generation are calling Top Console Single player RPG?
Dam cant believe it. I am so pissed, I dont even want to play Call of Duty anymore, or better yet, any PS3 game anymore.
So, because you didn't really understand what game you were buying; it's not only crap, but every other game on the ps3 is crap as well?
Just curious, but how old are you?
Iam a RPG fan. And IN MY OPINION if this is what people are calling Top RPG nowdays on the newer systems, then I give up on PS3 ever getting good RPG games like the PS2.
I wouldnt even mind if Developers remade PS3 versions of PS2 RPgs with new features like mutiplayer and Downloadable stuff and such.
Point is, IN MY OPINION this generation doesnt really have many interesting RPG games. What was Bioware doing during the PS2/Box age?
Ok we get it, you like the old school turn based JRPGs and hate everything else. Why is this thread still going?
Anyway, almost everyone except you is happy with DA:O and Demon Souls, enjoying both very much. When you are the exception and not the rule...usually you are the problem and not the product.
Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.
Iam a RPG fan. And if this is what people are calling Top RPG nowdays on the newer systems, then I give up on PS3 ever getting good RPG games like the PS2.
I wouldnt even mind if Developers remade PS3 versions of PS2 RPgs with new features like mutiplayer and Downloadable stuff and such.
Point is, this generation doesnt really have many interesting RPG games. What was Bioware doing during the PS2/Box age?
Ah, now it all becomes clear. You're NOT an rpg fan. Or at least, not a computer one. You're a JRPG/console rpg fan. COMPLETELY different beasts. You want to call yourself an rpg fan? Track down some Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, or the single greatest computer rpg of all time (in my humble opinion) Planescape: Torment. And if you want to see what Bioware was doing for consoles, look for Jade Empire or KOTOR for the XBox. One is brilliant, the other is quite well done, if under-rated in my opinion.
I agree.
Dam iam so pissed about DA and Demon Soul.
This is what people of this generation are calling Top Console Single player RPG?
Dam cant believe it. I am so pissed, I dont even want to play Call of Duty anymore, or better yet, any PS3 game anymore.
So, because you didn't really understand what game you were buying; it's not only crap, but every other game on the ps3 is crap as well?
Just curious, but how old are you?
Iam a RPG fan. And if this is what people are calling Top RPG nowdays on the newer systems, then I give up on PS3 ever getting good RPG games like the PS2.
I wouldnt even mind if Developers remade PS3 versions of PS2 RPgs with new features like mutiplayer and Downloadable stuff and such.
Point is, this generation doesnt really have many interesting RPG games. What was Bioware doing during the PS2/Box age?
There is only one thing to say to this...what? That is the only possible reply from anyone that liked JRPGS or just rpgs in general. I can count on one hand the number of innovative ps2 games/box games that were astounding or impressive in any way.
Fable was meh with story being far too shoddy with the ending.
Jade empire was pretty good, but Kotor was the real shining gem among the bioware box games...so yeah bioware was still a top notch company with Kotor.
Final fantasy was lacking in all departments of character development having mostly flat characters with reused storyline of teens vs god so nope no innovation there just reusing.
Sequel to Legaia came out...wasn't nearly half as good.
Persona? Yeah persona finally made a comeback from its earlier days but that's pretty new since 3 and 4 came out only a year or two ago so we can't count them if we are talking about the old days.
Ar Tonelico? Or any game by nis? Yeah...they were alright maybe a 6/10? The new features of alchemy were nice...but it was reused to every single game.
.Hack? Eh pretty boring if you ask me.
So...wait top notch games for the ps2? What? Where were you living? Were most of your gaming experiences done on drugs? If you want to get into a debate of their are no top notch games now..you would need to harken back to innovation land of ps1 and sega cd and snes [For star ocean 1] To even say top notch to me. The good games were star ocean, suikoden series, lunar and legaia all of those were innovative in some fashion. Star ocean with party system. Suikoden with rts features, lunar with customer treatment [They were the company that cared!] Legend of legaia had a fighter game style turn based system.
All in all top notch games didn't exist on the ps2 until recently, up until this point they were meh games, you must be young to think they ps2 was the godsend of rpgs...it wasn't
DO is a good game in all aspects even with its flaws, it's still quality and strays from the teens vs god path. Story is what is important in rpgs, if you are going to tell me that there is such a thing as too much story...then you didn't live through the golden age of rpgs like you claim.
So why don't you wait and get Valkyrie Chronicles, White Knight Chronicles, Disgaea3, Star Ocean 4, Last Remnant or even FFXIII if you like JRPGs?
About Demon's Souls, well, you said you tried to play it as you play Ninja Gaiden, you said you don't know how to use a healing item, you said you wanted to "roll and dogde" with a heavy armored character, you even said you attacked a NPC (accidentally) and didn't understand why he want to kill you... How can you say a game you don't know how to play is bad?
You are doing the same with Dragon Age, your criticism could be rational, but right now, you are just lost it.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/264031/WARNING-WARNING-Demon-Soul-is-the-hardest-game-EVER-Need-help.html
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press B to skip em and your def the type that enjoys quality games stick to CS no cutscenes
I think, in my opinion, the biggest issue with this game (not sure if it has been covered) is it is basically an MMO but single player. In MMOs people want to level up quick and show how 'awesome' they are and they skip the stories/history/etc. and I think that is why some people do not enjoy Dragon Age. MMOs have shifted a lot of people's views and I think that is what contributes to this.
I think, in my opinion, the biggest issue with this game (not sure if it has been covered) is it is basically an MMO but single player. In MMOs people want to level up quick and show how 'awesome' they are and they skip the stories/history/etc. and I think that is why some people do not enjoy Dragon Age. MMOs have shifted a lot of people's views and I think that is what contributes to this.
I am going to enjoy watching these people fail in TOR.
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The presentation in Dragon Age is sharp, but it isn't nearly as impressive as other games. In fact, some of the character models and graphics look like they are a few years old, so they don't pack the same visual punch you'd expect from such a high profile game. On a positive note, the ability to manipulate the camera viewpoints is useful and well executed.
Incredibly deep and expansive, Dragon Age: Origins is one of those titles that can easily swallow up dozens of hours of play and keep you coming back for more.
The fact that BioWare chose to include downloadable content, including a new character and side quest, on launch day proves that they have an extensive plan for supporting the game.
Couple that with the fact that each character can be developed in radically different ways, and you have an adventure that earns its own place among BioWare's expansive RPG collection.
This is the kind of adventure that fantasy RPG fans have been hoping that BioWare would deliver – a game with a ton of re-playability and an incredibly vivid world that is the start of an impressive franchise.
Thank God I found this thread. For awhile I though there was somthing wrong with me. I uninstalled the game after the first real town you come to in the game, and have never looked back.