Issues I have yet to see discussed by Beta Testers.

Cydone

There seem to be a secrecy about sertain aspects of EQII, some things are never discussed, things I find to be obvious "flaws". Im in the beta. 

1. Zoning. The zones seem so small when you have to "zone" all the time. Its like the entire world is made of bricks in a puzzle. Does this not bother you? Is it ok for you?

2. The world is Stale. This is perhaps my opinion. But dont tell me you havent thought about this, the concern that there realy isnt any content? Thats its all more or less one big beautiful box.

3. Solo/group mobs mixed in together, making it very difficult to solo. Even though you dont like to solo, doesnt it come off as alitttle weird to have very hard mobs mixed in with easy ones?

4. No open beta. Why? What are they afraid of? or am I just being a conspirator..

5. Most races look the same. Taller, smaller, fatter og bigger, most races still look al the same. Not a concern?

 

I like alot of things in EQII, especially the characters, the way they act and move, i like the progression, even though im still a noob in the beta. I prefer harder leveling to easy, hence I kinda liked Lineage II, till lvl 46,  it became unbearable, and pointless..

Come on beta testers, tell me why this game rocks your world!?

vmoped

1. Zoning never took me more than 10 seconds at a time (and this is long for me, it was usually shorter), and once you start doing quests outside of queynos or freeport you zone even less.

2. Dont know what you are referring to by this, there is a ton of content if you go and seek it out from npcs and/or mob drops, plus there is a ton of exploration to be done.

3. I never had a problem soloing or when I was in a group with this.  Aggro range is pretty short in this game and it is pretty easy to avoid aggressive mobs while soloing.

4. They seemed to have let alot of people who *TRIED* to get into beta in the last week, by try I mean the people who applied for beta through various sites and were active members of those sites.

5. Dont know what you have your graphics on but a gnome and dwarf look completely different, as does a high elf and human, troll, ogre, in fact they all do.

To me it sounds like you didnt get higher than level 10 and had your graphics options set really low, and/or your computer couldnt handle the game.  I'm not trying to flame you in any way, but if you played the game and didnt like it then well there are other games on the market.

Enigma

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Originally posted by Cydone
There seem to be a secrecy about sertain aspects of EQII, some things are never discussed, things I find to be obvious "flaws". Im in the beta.
1. Zoning. The zones seem so small when you have to "zone" all the time. Its like the entire world is made of bricks in a puzzle. Does this not bother you? Is it ok for you?
2. The world is Stale. This is perhaps my opinion. But dont tell me you havent thought about this, the concern that there realy isnt any content? Thats its all more or less one big beautiful box.
3. Solo/group mobs mixed in together, making it very difficult to solo. Even though you dont like to solo, doesnt it come off as alitttle weird to have very hard mobs mixed in with easy ones?
4. No open beta. Why? What are they afraid of? or am I just being a conspirator..
5. Most races look the same. Taller, smaller, fatter og bigger, most races still look al the same. Not a concern?

I like alot of things in EQII, especially the characters, the way they act and move, i like the progression, even though im still a noob in the beta. I prefer harder leveling to easy, hence I kinda liked Lineage II, till lvl 46, it became unbearable, and pointless..
Come on beta testers, tell me why this game rocks your world!?

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These are my opnions only:

1. I found EQ2 Zones to be the biggest of some mmorpgs I have ever seen (EVE being the largest). From 2 months of beta gameplay I probably only discovered 20% of the world's zones.

2. Content, this game has a quote un Quote "crapload of content". I have never been standing still thinking to myself "what do I do know?" While I only played it for 2 months, I had not have this feeling. Also, the retail discs has 2 more gigs of content to install versus the Beta's 4 gigs. The lead Developer 3 days ago specifically said the 2 exta gigs of space arent voice overs and movies. He mentioned their are more content and more content at the lower levels as well. I cannot provide a link simply because the beta boards had been whiped clean.

3. My character was a lvl 19 Predator/lvl 23 Armorer and I only grouped a total of 2 hours. Soloing was just fine (if you did it right: meaning, at lvl 8 and you feel like going into the COmmonlands or Antonica to fight, you're going to get owned. There are newbie zones perfect for group and solo individuals at lvl 10 and under).

4. Open Beta is a new idea. 3 years ago open beta was unheard of. The only mmorpgs that has done open beta thus far has been City of Heroes (only few days of Open Beta), Lineage ][, WoW, Knight Online, and Saga of Ryzom. All the other mmorpgs you are looking at to the left of these forums did not participate in open beta. It's not a conspiracy, trust me. Companies aren't doing it to hide their mistakes. To dispell any rumours that SOE like hiding things by not having Open Betas, they had an Open Beta for PlanetSide

5. Hehe, I dont find them similiar at all....Dwarves look completley different than humans, gnomes look like gnomes in their own right....I havent found any other race looking similiar to an Iksar...or a kerra...or a ogre...or a troll...

Also how do you define being different with each race? an Elf will look similiar to a human. For example, Elrond on the LoTR....when you cut his hair short, take his pointy ears off and give him shades, He just became Agent Smith on the Matrix (Hugo Weaving)

The Dark Elves are very different than the humans and other elves. Their eyes are much different as thier cheek differation, etc.

jimothypetro

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Originally posted by Cydone
There seem to be a secrecy about sertain aspects of EQII, some things are never discussed, things I find to be obvious "flaws". Im in the beta.
1. Zoning. The zones seem so small when you have to "zone" all the time. Its like the entire world is made of bricks in a puzzle. Does this not bother you? Is it ok for you?
2. The world is Stale. This is perhaps my opinion. But dont tell me you havent thought about this, the concern that there realy isnt any content? Thats its all more or less one big beautiful box.
3. Solo/group mobs mixed in together, making it very difficult to solo. Even though you dont like to solo, doesnt it come off as alitttle weird to have very hard mobs mixed in with easy ones?
4. No open beta. Why? What are they afraid of? or am I just being a conspirator..
5. Most races look the same. Taller, smaller, fatter og bigger, most races still look al the same. Not a concern?

I like alot of things in EQII, especially the characters, the way they act and move, i like the progression, even though im still a noob in the beta. I prefer harder leveling to easy, hence I kinda liked Lineage II, till lvl 46, it became unbearable, and pointless..
Come on beta testers, tell me why this game rocks your world!?

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1. Once you get out the the isle of refuge, the actual combat zones are VERY big. The city zones are pretty small, but the combat zones are huge.

2. I haven't noticed this, really. Commonlands looks a little plain, but that is how it is supposed to look. Most zones are very good IMO.

3. Yes, this is a problem IMO. Soloing shouldn't be as good as grouping, but it should be much better than it currently is.

4. SOE usually doesn't have open betas.

5. Wow.. I have no idea what you are talking about here. Even if you have your graphics turned all the way down, I'm sure they still look very different, so I have no idea what you're seeing.

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TalionNelson

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Originally posted by Cydone

There seem to be a secrecy about sertain aspects of EQII, some things are never discussed, things I find to be obvious "flaws". Im in the beta. 
1. Zoning. The zones seem so small when you have to "zone" all the time. Its like the entire world is made of bricks in a puzzle. Does this not bother you? Is it ok for you?
Zoning was never a problem; yes, seamless worlds do have a nice appeal but outside of the cities the zones were so huge and detailed that transitioning from one zone to another left me more with anxious anticipation than it did with drab disappointment.
While grouping I could tell who MAY have had a slower PC because they were maybe 2-4 seconds behind me, but the transition is really pretty short from one zone to another.
2. The world is Stale. This is perhaps my opinion. But dont tell me you havent thought about this, the concern that there realy isnt any content? Thats its all more or less one big beautiful box.
I never stood around with nothing to do; as a matter of fact, I generally had more quests to do than I had time.
3. Solo/group mobs mixed in together, making it very difficult to solo. Even though you dont like to solo, doesnt it come off as alitttle weird to have very hard mobs mixed in with easy ones?
It did seem strange at first, but the aggro range seemed to be at a point where I could run past a group mob as long as I was careful. Of course, while grouping there was always someone that would not be careful....but that's a different story.
4. No open beta. Why? What are they afraid of? or am I just being a conspirator..
No conspiracy. I read somewhere there was 30K people in beta. Whether or not that was true, the game was stable the last several months from what I heard (I only had it for a month) and the last month for sure in my experience. I'm sure SOE has learned their lesson from the first few months of SWG and don't want to make that mistake again.
5. Most races look the same. Taller, smaller, fatter og bigger, most races still look al the same. Not a concern?
Not sure where this came from as the character customizations are the most detailed I've ever seen. The only thing I could see as similar are the character movements, but when you think about it, if we're all bipeds (as the characters are) we're all going to move similarly.
I like alot of things in EQII, especially the characters, the way they act and move, i like the progression, even though im still a noob in the beta. I prefer harder leveling to easy, hence I kinda liked Lineage II, till lvl 46,  it became unbearable, and pointless..
Come on beta testers, tell me why this game rocks your world!?
This game impressed me because of the details; life is in the details and this game has life! Whether it's the movement of the grass as you run through it, the NPC's speaking during battle or a myriad of other things -- if you give this game a chance by playing it, you're likely to not be disappointed.

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Aeryith

1. zoning dont' bother me. 15-30 seconds tops for me. however, people who have lower systems say it takes over a min. to zone.

2. it's the most interactive emersive mmorpg i've played

3. soloing can be done, but it's not really viable. especially since everyone's gonna be starting out killing the same mobs at the start of the game. groups around a solo player will take solo mobs without any thought. i've soloed just fine when i wanted to but mainly stuck to quests and crafting.

4. don't ask me, i'm not in charge of that

5. i haven't found a clone of me yet if that tells you anything

why does it rock my world? cuz i enjoy playing it. if i stop enjoying a game *cough*Lineage2*cough*, i'm not going to play it anymore. when i start to log off mad/board, then it's time to move on and find something better.

Hubabuba

Originally posted by Cydone

1. Zoning. The zones seem so small when you have to "zone" all the time. Its like the entire world is made of bricks in a puzzle. Does this not bother you? Is it ok for you?

It doesn't bother me at all.  In fact it gives me the feeling that I'm moving into a new area of the world, which to me is preferable to the Lineage 2 style world where you run for an hour and the scenery still looks the same.

2. The world is Stale. This is perhaps my opinion. But dont tell me you havent thought about this, the concern that there realy isnt any content? Thats its all more or less one big beautiful box.

Stale?  You mean like seeing NPCs walking down the roads?  or NPCs beconing you when they have a quest for you?  Or the way some NPCs talk down to you when you havn't yet completed a quest they've given you?  Or the way the "lead" monster in an encounter will bark out orders to his subordinates?  Stale?  Not by a long shot, this is the most interactive types of behavior I've seen in a MMORPG.

3. Solo/group mobs mixed in together, making it very difficult to solo. Even though you dont like to solo, doesnt it come off as alitttle weird to have very hard mobs mixed in with easy ones?

Why solo?  This a multiplayer game, if you want to solo play a single player game.  (chime in "I don't have time to group").  In my experience grouping is very easy, I've yet to come across a group that didn't invite me.  You get better xp grouped, you can fight tougher monsters for better loot while in a group vs solo.  The shared xp debt makes grouping even more appealing.  I don't understand why you would want to solo when there are so many advantages to grouping.

While in a group the mixed solo encounters with medium encounters and large encounters allows the group to continually fight.  ie you just finished a large tough encounter, most of the group is low power, but a couple of the group are ready to go so they grab and kill a solo or small encounter while the rest of the group continues to rest.  Personally I like the mixed content, it means more action.

4. No open beta. Why? What are they afraid of? or am I just being a conspirator..

The expense of an open beta with a 4 gig download is a good financial reason not to do it.  Can you immagine the bandwidth it would take to support a few thousand people downloading 4 gb?  I'm not quite sure why you would think they'd be "afraid", they are in direct competition with another MMORPG being released on a few days apart and they are confident enough in their product to not go through the expense of an open beta.

5. Most races look the same. Taller, smaller, fatter og bigger, most races still look al the same. Not a concern?

Lets see...there are rat people, frog people, cat people, all of which are very unique.  Big ogres and trolls don't look much like each other and don't look like any other race.  Barbarians look like big humans, which is what they are, Erudites look semi-human, but again they are closely related to humans.  Barbarians and Eruides look nothing like each other despite the fact they share human traits.  Elves and half elves look similiar but again they should look much alike.  The stout dorfs look nothing like the scrawny gnomes.  And the freakish hair styles of the dark elf look like nothing else in the game, although they do physically resemble elves, as they should according to the lore of the game.  All of this looks the same to you?  What about the differences in skin color within a given race?  What about the array of hair/beard styles and colors?  What about the facial customizations?  I really don't get how you can say everybody looks the same.

I like alot of things in EQII, especially the characters, the way they act and move, i like the progression, even though im still a noob in the beta. I prefer harder leveling to easy, hence I kinda liked Lineage II, till lvl 46,  it became unbearable, and pointless..

The first 20 levels are supposed to be fast, get everybody to thier final class quickly otherwise people will get bored with the generic arch-types.  Ask anybody who made it past 20, they'll tell you it starts to slow down quickly.

Siolenas

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Originally posted by Cydone

There seem to be a secrecy about sertain aspects of EQII, some things are never discussed, things I find to be obvious "flaws". Im in the beta. 
1. Zoning. The zones seem so small when you have to "zone" all the time. Its like the entire world is made of bricks in a puzzle. Does this not bother you? Is it ok for you?
2. The world is Stale. This is perhaps my opinion. But dont tell me you havent thought about this, the concern that there realy isnt any content? Thats its all more or less one big beautiful box.
3. Solo/group mobs mixed in together, making it very difficult to solo. Even though you dont like to solo, doesnt it come off as alitttle weird to have very hard mobs mixed in with easy ones?
4. No open beta. Why? What are they afraid of? or am I just being a conspirator..
5. Most races look the same. Taller, smaller, fatter og bigger, most races still look al the same. Not a concern?
 
I like alot of things in EQII, especially the characters, the way they act and move, i like the progression, even though im still a noob in the beta. I prefer harder leveling to easy, hence I kinda liked Lineage II, till lvl 46,  it became unbearable, and pointless..
Come on beta testers, tell me why this game rocks your world!?

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1. Zoning Never been an issue with me.  After you leave the island.  The zones are huge and immense.  Makes me wonder if you ever left the island.

2. Content - Hmm I completed 17 quests on the island alone, and mind you that is an area that is purly instanced.  Outside of the island, Once I hit freeport. By the time I hit 20, I completed over 40 quests that spanned many many zones....

3.  This also makes me think you never left the island.  Thieves way in Freeport has many spots in that zone alone to fight either solo or group mobs...

4.  I particapted in what was closet to open beta. I was sent an invite by mmorpg two weeks before I hit bete ended ....  If you dont visit a site enough, why would they want send you a beta invite?

5.  This is the most riddiculas of the rest, even at the lowest setting I can see the races even the slightest resemblance of each other...   This makes me wonder if you even played BETA at all, or you playing the other side. 

In closing, Please don't ask questions unless you know what you are speaking about.....

Siolenas

Morydin

I will just comment on one thing here: I think that mmorpg developers are beginning to steer away from open betas due to the amount of competitors out there now. The fan base my complain but honestly I am glad that there wasn't an open beta. I would have played it but I'm happy that I will be logging into EQ2 for the first time at launch, not at beta.

NoisyMonkey

There was an open beta actually.. well... a garunteed beta.. unfortuanely... by the time someone psoted it.. SOE had caught it and gayed it out... I wonder if I have even gotten the thing yet? if I did.. its too alte :P