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Naming WoW the game of the decade is like...
Yamota
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Saying Mcdonalds is the best restaurant in the world. Quantity does not equal quality...
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Nor does quantity mean it's not quality
And especially in the MMO world where every game is pretty much just as accessible, and the same price, unlike restaurants, numbers probably mean a whole lot more than your 'real world example'
Another one of these threads so soon?
Sure a good game could, and often does, have the quantity and quality. But where in WoW is the quality? The sound? The gfx? The innovation? No, the only thing good, and I use that therm lightly, about the game is that it is easy, casual and accessible.
Just because everyone can access the game servers does not mean all MMORPGs are as accessible. Many games require you to put more effort to access certain contents of the game where as in WoW everyone can access all content with little effort, hence it is easily accessible and caters to the masses, just like junk food. But like junk food it has the same questionable quality.
Take a game like Eve for example. To pilot the largest ship in the game, Titans, you need to have trained your character for atleast a year, amassed great wealth (more than most people in the game can ever imagine to earn) and coordinated alot of people to get you the resources needed. And after that you need a coordinated group to make use of such a ship but when you do you can do amazing things with it.
You tell me what in WoW requires that effort/risk and reward.
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Pheace is right, comparing WoW like that doesn't do it justice.
This is an MMO for the masses we're talking about, not something meant to be interesting, unique, or entertaining for people who want something from a game. It's a game for da-masses.
And da-masses like their homogenized product. May the most redundant with the most aggressive marketing win.
Wish that was actually a problem with WoW, that's more of a slam on MMOs as a whole. T_T
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
Clearly you didn't grasp what I meant by accessible. I meant it in the way that a person can just as easily opt to go play WoW as they can opt to go play any other game. Contrary to a Mcdonalds being on every corner and a no doubt 'quality' restaurant being rare and few in between. The comparison to mcdonalds is just ridiculous.
I want to agree with you. But I think in the case of MMOs quantity of subscribers does equal quality. Since the income gives them the ability to invest in more developers, content, features. If a MMO sprung up that charged $30 a month fee but had content and features better than WoW I don't think they would even get enough subscribers to keep the servers running.
All that said, WoWs graphics look dated, their gaming formula is getting boring, and once you hit 80 with gear there is nothing to do but raid and pvp.
If you dont see the analogy, and how accessible can mean different things, then clearly you are not grasping the comparison.
There is nothing in WoW that has high quality, like there is nothing in Mcdonald that is of high quality, yet both of them are very popular. So WoW is definetely the McDonalds of MMORPGs.
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That is EXCACTLY what McDonalds is. It is not meant to be healthy, taste very good or be unique, it is for da-masses. The analogy is perfectly valid.
That does not mean McDonalds has a problem, but it is certainly not the best restaurant of the decade. Not by anyone with any sense of taste and class. Yet it is the most popular, so yeah the comparison is so ridicilous...
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Generally, there is a higher proportion of 'good' restaurants around a neighborhood than there are McDonalds and it's ilk, or at least a healthy balance of them. Have to live in some scarily bad place if that ain't the case...
EDIT: And yeah, that was the point of my comment being painfully ironic. ^_^
To put in perspective though, I'm calling MMOs as a whole fast food. Some are like McDonalds, some are like Arby's, some are like Jack in the Box. They all, however, are fast food when compared as a section of gaming as a whole.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
It is about popularity...tell me about other MMO that can beat WoW in popularity? None so far. Which MMO should be in second place, that's the hard part because as of today WoW is way high. The second best MMO of the decade is....??
For feck sake OP... WoW was named "GOTD" on 1 website.. get over it or quit the Interwebz because there are people on the interwebz that have different opinions to yours. SHOCK!
FYI it was not named GOTD on that site cus its has millions of players, please read the comments from the voters, there's so much WoW does better/different from other games but I wont waste my time explaining, plus I am running out of space using this massive font.
If you dont see the analogy, and how accessible can mean different things, then clearly you are not grasping the comparison.
There is nothing in WoW that has high quality, like there is nothing in Mcdonald that is of high quality, yet both of them are very popular. So WoW is definetely the McDonalds of MMORPGs.
Just because you can't find high quality in WoW doesn't mean it's true. It just means *you* have a problem.
But, to humor you, let's start at the beginning. To start with, why don't you name some particular aspects of other MMO's which denote 'High quality' ?
See, Pheace gets it!
No such thing as quality in the MMO world. Just games that suck less. XD
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
What? You don't like Big Macs? Jeez... some people are never happy.
Every MMO does things a little bit differently and some have better this and that. Personally, I liked (I say liked because I don't currently play any MMOs...they are all meh to me at this point) Conan's graphics and feel the best, I liked DDOs gameplay the best, I liked Warhammers semi-unique classes and public quests the best, I liked Ragnaroks community the best, but overall I would say WoW did a little bit of everything better enough for me that I played it the longest. Take away the Chinese farmers and you still have more people playing WoW than is even close to the 2nd place game. All of these people can't be wrong. Now perhaps it's because WoW was made for the lowest common denominator and most of the people that frequent this site are harder core, but that is just typical elitism. The bottom line is there are way more of them (LCDs) then you. It's the same reason the Wii is kicking butt. It was made for a broader market. Does that make it better...perhaps not, but there's no arguing the mass appeal even if it that means easy mode.
Look at today's society...people want ease and convenience. We have drive up windows for almost everything. And what we don't have that for, we have delivery. Not only do we have these things called cell phones that let us call anyone anytime from almost anywhere...now we can even send little messages to all of our friends without even having to speak to them. People want easy...and if that's what WoW does, then it's going to be popular. Again, it may be Mickie D's and not the Rtiz, maybe not even Olive Garden...but it appeals to the most people.
Also keep in mind that no real criteria was given for the voting. You just had to give your reasons why. And most people said WoW for various reasons. By nature, most of the people that post on a niche site (like this one) regularly are those with higher standards, so it makes sense that there is a lot of negativeness (and sometimes outright hostility) towards the LCDness of WoW, but we all need to realize that and stop acting so high and mighty. If you tried WoW and it was too easy or whatever else for you, and you are currently playing a higher quality MMO and enjoy it good...but more people like playing WoW and that's that.
Comparing games to fast food restaurants is a stupid annalology. Anyone with a pc and intenet connection can access a computer game. It makes a nice sound-byte but it's flawed.
WoW is an obvious game of the decade. Love it or hate it it has broken down boundaries to bring MMO's to the masses, smashed sales records, been widely copied and most people agree it has(had) the quality to back up it's numbers, even those that are bored of it now can say they had good times playing it.
Name another game that's been enjoyed by so many and had such far reaching success. Halo?, COD? Great games in their own right but they're not even in the same league.
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WTF F***er!!!
How Dare you Compare McDs to WoW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
McD is the greatest Fast Food ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I dont even have to pay 15$ a month to eat a order of their Fries
Is it bad that more often than not after finishing a meal at a "quality" resturaunt that cost me over $40 per person I find myself thinking that I would have enjoyed a $5 combo from McDonalds more? With maybe a sundae for desert.... mmm... McDonalds hot fudge sundae....
I'll be back!
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Nope, WoW is The Beatles, both had a huge influence over their genre and even over the entire world, both are amazing, popular and succesful and both got very annoying haters who feel like they're superior if they hate them with all their internet bandwidth.
Also, in before 20 pages of giggles.
I dont hate WoW. It was fun the first 6 months, there was just something about it hat was missing. In other games when i reached the max level, i couldn't wipe the smile off of my face. I also like consequence in a game, as annoying/frustrating as it is. Everyone hates corpse runs or lossing gea, but it makes that gear all the more valuable. Not like doing X instanced runs till you hopefully get a full set of whatever and then next patch having to run instances over and over to get the gear that is slightly better, and to what end?
Maybe I just prefer PvP over PvE, or maybe i like a healthy mix.
Maybe this is just one mans opinions and aren't gospel.
Maybe im just getting too old for MMORPG's, they have outlived their stay. Long gone are the days of "Dread Lord Fuzzbot", APK runs to Bucs Den, patroling Hadrians Wall or battling back and forth at the miles wall in Emain Macha.
<sheds a tear and raises his beer>
Here's to you MMORPG's.... may you RIP
Have to agree with Lauranda. Wow is the Wii of MMOs. It's broken down barriers for people who normally don't play MMOs to join in, it's popular, and very easy to play. WoW will not stun you with great graphics, amazing game mechanics, or cutting edge content. From personal experience as a long-time MMO player, WoW kept me interested for a while and then I got bored. There are MMOs that do more radical interesting things, they just won't ever be as popular as the Wii- err i mean WoW.
And once again we get this stale, stupid ass comparison. Until WoW starts 1/3 as much as EvE, your an idiot for comparing WoW to McDonalds... because THAT AND ONLY THAT is why McDonalds is popular, McDonalds competes with Burger King and Wendy's it doesn't compete with The Olive Garden.
Actually The Olive Garden would be a much better metaphor for WoW. The Olive Garden is extremely popular, and a lot of people love the hell out of it... BUT... many many other people think The Olive Garden is overly commercialized garbage compared to the local Ma' and Pa's italian place. You even get the exact same elitist bullshit: "The Olive Garden isn't REAL Italian food, I've had REAL italian food." Personally my favorite place in town is "La Villa de Toto" which despite it's rather pretentious name... is about as Ma' and Pa'see and you can get... the food is awesome, and is a bit less expensive than The Olive Garden and doesn't have a 3 hour wait on a Friday night.
I'll even take the metaphor a step further: the garlic bread, salad, lasagna, fettucine alfredo, and chicken parmigana at The Olive Garden aren't great... by any means. But they are all decent.... and can get them all with my Tour du Italy. There's a place called Monte Carlo in town... they have AWESOME homemade Cesar Salad, and good pizza (Olive Garden doesn't even HAVE pizza!!) but literally every thing else completely sucks ass. The pizza, and past dishes at La Villa De Toto are completely awesome, but I have to order a salad separately and they don't have any three things one plate option.
Anyway... I think I've made my point... (for about the 50th time) I'll spare you my comparing McDonalds to an XBLA game, but I'm sure you get the point.
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Go back to when McDonald's first opened and compare it to what was out at the time. It redefined the food industry. It brought massive amounts of people out to eat at their restaurants at a time when mom stayed in the kitchen. Your saying McDonald's is bad but the entire industry is now 60 years old and has been flooded by people looking to make a quick buck.
Now look at what wow did and look at what was out there when it opened. Wow isn't my personal favorite but it brought in MILLIONS of non-gamers and set off a new wave of game-building.
Don't let your personal prejudice keep you from the truth. WoW's influence was the biggest of any MMO of the decade and for that reason it should be recognized as such, even if you lack the integrity to admit it.
First of all, your bias clouds your judgement. Because you think WoW is easy and accessible, you dismiss all it's other aspects. Think about the whole picture. Think about the impact on the industry. At what point can you recall a game in this decade that took a genre (MMORPG) and introduced it to millions of players? Think about the genre before WoW launched. It was a genre that was reserved for nerds and basement dwellers. Now there are commercials and South Park episodes about it. Think about how much of a business WoW has become, not just in the game itself but everything else. Blizzard makes thousands of dollars of month in secondary services like name and race changes. Think about it's impact to developers who before WoW thought that 2-300k was the high limit to the amount of subscribers. Not anymore. WoW proved that if designed the right way, it is possible to breach that number. WoW also has shown how to market a game to get the most exposure.
You may not agree with it's gameplay but to deny it's place is just crazy. The game makes close to (if not over) a 100 million dollars a year. The kinds of people that play WoW wouldn't be caught dead playing an MMO 6 years ago. That is what defines game of the decade. It took a genre (and PC gaming in general) and popularized it.
Is it possible for anything that is mentioned not to be debated around here? We are talking about whether a game deserved an award, but no we have to go off on tangents about whose analogy makes more sense, or who has crappy grammar and/or spelling, or what shade of green the sky is in Antarctica on the Fourth of July.