http://hulkageddon2.griefwatch.net/ almost 800 exhumer kills and 153 mining barge kills as of the time of this post..... Thats alot of hulks.
...and 3 orcas....glad i trained up combat skills for missions/wh ops. makes for a nice break from mining for now :P
well, mining is pretty boring when you get down to it - and missions arent exactly a bundle of joy either.. so WH ops and a few nice roams might encourage the miners to take up a different line of work in the game.. apparently if they all go mission running, then the ore production would go up! ... .... i find that hard to believe somehow but heh.. what would i know
well, mining is pretty boring when you get down to it - and missions arent exactly a bundle of joy either.. so WH ops and a few nice roams might encourage the miners to take up a different line of work in the game.. apparently if they all go mission running, then the ore production would go up! ... .... i find that hard to believe somehow but heh.. what would i know
Silly as it might seem, I like mining. It is a nice passive activity and when I want a break, running some missions or exploring are nice alternatives. I'd love to get more into the low sec/null sec stuff, but my corp just doesn't seem equipped for it atm (getting there eventually though).
As far as ore from missioning, I could see someone getting a significant amount of ore from a level 4, especially so if they have Refining V and Scrapmetal Processing trained. For the overall ore market, I might be able to make more individually by being a dedicated miner, but anyone can refine so it becomes a "death by a thousand cuts" scenario. If 100 people are reprocessing and 1 person mining, then that one person might have a lower contribution in the overall picture while their individual contribution is actually much larger. (the 1 vs 100 is a just arbitrary number btw).
-mklinic
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giving some serious thought to wardecing some of the worst offenders.... bet they'd like getting ganked in highsec by a pvp corp
Get a clue... Try to wardec the united or final agony (currently nr 1 and 2 in the contest). I can reveal for you that both corps are huge, most pilots are top 5000 on battleclinic, 75% of them fly carriers, and final agony even has a titan. On top of that I can also reveal for you that most of these guys are -10 sec status and therefore never hang around in high sec (except when killing miners)
I see you're both clueless about suicide ganking AND economy. Nevermind the doublepost.. Have you ever considered that mission loot and drone alloys might be refined into minerals?
just because i dont suicide gank doesnt mean i dont know anything about it.. not that i havent gone global and taken a sec hit to take out someone, and had to tank gate guns, albeit in low sec not high sec, for high sec mostly rely on war decs to get the job done. as for mission running.. well yes.. i have done that, drone missions are bad payouts even at level 4 though, so stick to rat missions like angel extravaganza etc, bounties plus loot/salvage can net a good 40m - but i only mission run to get cash to buy ships to pvp with, yeah.. not a genius on the economy of eve.. im not an industrialist after all.. but i do have to buy ships/equipment, and while im not a pirate. or at least.. i dont consider myself one, its not impossible that others might see it differently .. as we've only ransomed corporations.. not individuals.. they tend to have more money
and before you go on the you only do low sec thing.. i've lived in 0.0 for a long time.. im a cap pilot, dread/carriers, and i've done pos ops, been part of fleet actions, and while their fun (except for the lag....) i get more of a kick out of roaming.. but.. we leave mining corps alone.. for the most part they dont fight worth a damn anyway. and 0 challenge = 0 fun..
Screenshoots of wallet transactions or you are just full of crap. Tbh I think you are a dirty mission runner who has visited 0.0 once or twice just to be ganked and return home without a ship.
I dont get it. Whats the fun in destroying defenceless ships? Unless you are a sadist that is...
exactly.. there certianly isnt any challenge, so far from what i've seen its all high sec ganks using destroyers etc, had several of them in piekura recently, though im guessing their pretty much widespread. eventually i guess, they're going to try and fit shield boosters on hulks so they can tank the damage while Concord kills the gankers.. but.. it won't take long before the miners just dont go out until its all over.. more than likely they'll go mission running while the gankers are about, which means industry in eve gets more expensive, i mean come on, all those resources have to be mined by someone, so next time you go to buy yourself a new domi you'll have the pleasure of knowing you just paid an extra 20 mil because a bunch of noobs went killing miners...
From what I've gathered from the EVE Forums, the entire event was started to counteract the over abundance of Isk Bots in the game. Supposedly there is a ton of AFK miners that login all day long and run macros to mine. The EVE community is fed up with them, and has decided to take matters into their own hands. That said, once word got out that Hulks were the targets discussion began about folks who are "semi-afk" (watching a movie or whatever while mining at their comp) and how they may not react in time to let the attackers know. Well of course that spawned into a big discussion about how if your gonna mine you should treat High-sec the same way you treat low sec anyways, etc, etc etc...and long story short now its just an event to blow up any hulks and transports folks.
So its sort of a double-edged sword. On one hand its a good thing, but for some its not. To be honest, from my reading up on it it would seem most of your bigger corporation participants are focusing in sectors that are known to house corporations of mining bots only.
Also - for those folks that DO manage to mine throughout the event and make it out in one piece, your mineral prices will likely go through the roof after its all over for a short stint.
And lastly to the guy/girl that was saying that pretty soon folks will use Hulk's for bait...that would be a really worthless "bait". Considering most folks are attacking these vessels in trash-fitted T1 Destroyers the cost to replace the hulk far exceeds the cost of the ship these attackers are losing. They outfit it with crap because they know once they attack you (the hulk) in high-sec that Concord WILL destroy them, thus its not a matter of IF they'll lose their ship, but rather a matter of will they destroy yours before theirs is destroyed.
giving some serious thought to wardecing some of the worst offenders.... bet they'd like getting ganked in highsec by a pvp corp
Get a clue... Try to wardec the united or final agony (currently nr 1 and 2 in the contest). I can reveal for you that both corps are huge, most pilots are top 5000 on battleclinic, 75% of them fly carriers, and final agony even has a titan. On top of that I can also reveal for you that most of these guys are -10 sec status and therefore never hang around in high sec (except when killing miners)
dont know much about final agony, but i wouldnt be surprised the only reason the united is so high up on the battleclinic list is because of their smartbombing gatecamps. From what i've seen and heard, they are a sorry bunch who only pvp for profit and very little for fun. Also how many times have they had their corp wallets cleaned out now? 2 times? 3 times?
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And lastly to the guy/girl that was saying that pretty soon folks will use Hulk's for bait...that would be a really worthless "bait". Considering most folks are attacking these vessels in trash-fitted T1 Destroyers the cost to replace the hulk far exceeds the cost of the ship these attackers are losing. They outfit it with crap because they know once they attack you (the hulk) in high-sec that Concord WILL destroy them, thus its not a matter of IF they'll lose their ship, but rather a matter of will they destroy yours before theirs is destroyed.
I'll speak to the "bait" part since I mentioned it earlier. The purpose of the "bait" isn't really tied to it's overall value. It is just a way of participating in the event without taking out other miners. Just a little fun, much like killing otherwise defenseless miners is fun for others. Different strokes for different folks though right?
Edit:
Unrelated to the quoted; for anyone interested in total ships destroyed, this URL appears to list them: hulkageddon2.griefwatch.net/
The miner in me sympathizes with those who have lost ships, but I almost feel bad for getting a chuckle out of the whole thing.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I just wasnt sure if you meant that they'd use them as bait for the purposes of profit. From the simple perspective of "having fun" however, I can see this tactic being used by folks with tons of ISK perhaps.
giving some serious thought to wardecing some of the worst offenders.... bet they'd like getting ganked in highsec by a pvp corp
Get a clue... Try to wardec the united or final agony (currently nr 1 and 2 in the contest). I can reveal for you that both corps are huge, most pilots are top 5000 on battleclinic, 75% of them fly carriers, and final agony even has a titan. On top of that I can also reveal for you that most of these guys are -10 sec status and therefore never hang around in high sec (except when killing miners)
dont know much about final agony, but i wouldnt be surprised the only reason the united is so high up on the battleclinic list is because of their smartbombing gatecamps. From what i've seen and heard, they are a sorry bunch who only pvp for profit and very little for fun. Also how many times have they had their corp wallets cleaned out now? 2 times? 3 times?
Make a gang, go to amamake belt 3-1, wait 10 min and you will know.
giving some serious thought to wardecing some of the worst offenders.... bet they'd like getting ganked in highsec by a pvp corp
Get a clue... Try to wardec the united or final agony (currently nr 1 and 2 in the contest). I can reveal for you that both corps are huge, most pilots are top 5000 on battleclinic, 75% of them fly carriers, and final agony even has a titan. On top of that I can also reveal for you that most of these guys are -10 sec status and therefore never hang around in high sec (except when killing miners)
dont know much about final agony, but i wouldnt be surprised the only reason the united is so high up on the battleclinic list is because of their smartbombing gatecamps. From what i've seen and heard, they are a sorry bunch who only pvp for profit and very little for fun. Also how many times have they had their corp wallets cleaned out now? 2 times? 3 times?
Make a gang, go to amamake belt 3-1, wait 10 min and you will know.
i would if it wasnt so far away from already good hunting systems such as heydeiles and old man star. And waiting in a belt will only get you ganked, which btw plenty of corps out there can do without having pilots in the top 5000 in BC.
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It really shows how amazing Eve's community is, and it proves how much of an effect one player can have on the Eve Universe.
I think this really highlights the creativity one can find in a free form sandbox game. I'd like to see the miners respond to this in their own creative manner with their own event.
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Hulkageddon got me into a pvp video! ( well, as much as shooting miners qualifies as pvp, though I did find the wormhole featured in the video which I'm quite proud of - just because you think you're 10 jumps from the nearest lowsec doesn't mean you are, in fact, 10 jumps from the nearest lowsec)
I can sympathize with the miners but I've had my share of failed ganks during this event and I can tell you firsthand there's plenty they can do to cover their asses, so whatever. I do think this event really showcases sandbox gameplay and I wouldn't be surprised if CCP spins in that way. A group of players organized an event that is having an effect on the entire game with absolutely no intervention whatsoever from the devs. That's just not something you see in a themepark game, at all.
which means industry in eve gets more expensive, i mean come on, all those resources have to be mined by someone
No, not really. About 30% of all pyerite comes from mining. Less than 50% of all tritanium, 30% of mexallon, 20% isogen, 20% nocxium..
See a trend there?
Also, keep telling yourself that you aren't getting ganked by experienced pirates. It makes your whine about it all the more funny.
you know, as Eve is a player driven economy, exactly where are the rest of the minerals coming from then, if the miners actually mine so little of it ? the joke about the experienced pirates bit was amusing though... half the time their ships drop t1 rubbish.. barely worth looting
have you even read a QEN since they started publishing them? A good majority of minerals are injected into the game via reprocessed mission loot. Good job making yourself look like an idiot
I support Hulkageddon !! It really shows how amazing Eve's community is, and it proves how much of an effect one player can have on the Eve Universe. I think this really highlights the creativity one can find in a free form sandbox game. I'd like to see the miners respond to this in their own creative manner with their own event.
One appropriate response might be for someone to organize the miners to go on strike and not supply minerals to the economy for a period of time. Would drive up prices across the board making purchase of new ships more challenging.
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...and 3 orcas....glad i trained up combat skills for missions/wh ops. makes for a nice break from mining for now :P
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
...and 3 orcas....glad i trained up combat skills for missions/wh ops. makes for a nice break from mining for now :P
well, mining is pretty boring when you get down to it - and missions arent exactly a bundle of joy either.. so WH ops and a few nice roams might encourage the miners to take up a different line of work in the game.. apparently if they all go mission running, then the ore production would go up! ... .... i find that hard to believe somehow but heh.. what would i know
Silly as it might seem, I like mining. It is a nice passive activity and when I want a break, running some missions or exploring are nice alternatives. I'd love to get more into the low sec/null sec stuff, but my corp just doesn't seem equipped for it atm (getting there eventually though).
As far as ore from missioning, I could see someone getting a significant amount of ore from a level 4, especially so if they have Refining V and Scrapmetal Processing trained. For the overall ore market, I might be able to make more individually by being a dedicated miner, but anyone can refine so it becomes a "death by a thousand cuts" scenario. If 100 people are reprocessing and 1 person mining, then that one person might have a lower contribution in the overall picture while their individual contribution is actually much larger. (the 1 vs 100 is a just arbitrary number btw).
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Get a clue... Try to wardec the united or final agony (currently nr 1 and 2 in the contest). I can reveal for you that both corps are huge, most pilots are top 5000 on battleclinic, 75% of them fly carriers, and final agony even has a titan. On top of that I can also reveal for you that most of these guys are -10 sec status and therefore never hang around in high sec (except when killing miners)
just because i dont suicide gank doesnt mean i dont know anything about it.. not that i havent gone global and taken a sec hit to take out someone, and had to tank gate guns, albeit in low sec not high sec, for high sec mostly rely on war decs to get the job done. as for mission running.. well yes.. i have done that, drone missions are bad payouts even at level 4 though, so stick to rat missions like angel extravaganza etc, bounties plus loot/salvage can net a good 40m - but i only mission run to get cash to buy ships to pvp with, yeah.. not a genius on the economy of eve.. im not an industrialist after all.. but i do have to buy ships/equipment, and while im not a pirate. or at least.. i dont consider myself one, its not impossible that others might see it differently .. as we've only ransomed corporations.. not individuals.. they tend to have more money
and before you go on the you only do low sec thing.. i've lived in 0.0 for a long time.. im a cap pilot, dread/carriers, and i've done pos ops, been part of fleet actions, and while their fun (except for the lag....) i get more of a kick out of roaming.. but.. we leave mining corps alone.. for the most part they dont fight worth a damn anyway. and 0 challenge = 0 fun..
Screenshoots of wallet transactions or you are just full of crap. Tbh I think you are a dirty mission runner who has visited 0.0 once or twice just to be ganked and return home without a ship.
exactly.. there certianly isnt any challenge, so far from what i've seen its all high sec ganks using destroyers etc, had several of them in piekura recently, though im guessing their pretty much widespread. eventually i guess, they're going to try and fit shield boosters on hulks so they can tank the damage while Concord kills the gankers.. but.. it won't take long before the miners just dont go out until its all over.. more than likely they'll go mission running while the gankers are about, which means industry in eve gets more expensive, i mean come on, all those resources have to be mined by someone, so next time you go to buy yourself a new domi you'll have the pleasure of knowing you just paid an extra 20 mil because a bunch of noobs went killing miners...
From what I've gathered from the EVE Forums, the entire event was started to counteract the over abundance of Isk Bots in the game. Supposedly there is a ton of AFK miners that login all day long and run macros to mine. The EVE community is fed up with them, and has decided to take matters into their own hands. That said, once word got out that Hulks were the targets discussion began about folks who are "semi-afk" (watching a movie or whatever while mining at their comp) and how they may not react in time to let the attackers know. Well of course that spawned into a big discussion about how if your gonna mine you should treat High-sec the same way you treat low sec anyways, etc, etc etc...and long story short now its just an event to blow up any hulks and transports folks.
So its sort of a double-edged sword. On one hand its a good thing, but for some its not. To be honest, from my reading up on it it would seem most of your bigger corporation participants are focusing in sectors that are known to house corporations of mining bots only.
Also - for those folks that DO manage to mine throughout the event and make it out in one piece, your mineral prices will likely go through the roof after its all over for a short stint.
And lastly to the guy/girl that was saying that pretty soon folks will use Hulk's for bait...that would be a really worthless "bait". Considering most folks are attacking these vessels in trash-fitted T1 Destroyers the cost to replace the hulk far exceeds the cost of the ship these attackers are losing. They outfit it with crap because they know once they attack you (the hulk) in high-sec that Concord WILL destroy them, thus its not a matter of IF they'll lose their ship, but rather a matter of will they destroy yours before theirs is destroyed.
Get a clue... Try to wardec the united or final agony (currently nr 1 and 2 in the contest). I can reveal for you that both corps are huge, most pilots are top 5000 on battleclinic, 75% of them fly carriers, and final agony even has a titan. On top of that I can also reveal for you that most of these guys are -10 sec status and therefore never hang around in high sec (except when killing miners)
dont know much about final agony, but i wouldnt be surprised the only reason the united is so high up on the battleclinic list is because of their smartbombing gatecamps. From what i've seen and heard, they are a sorry bunch who only pvp for profit and very little for fun. Also how many times have they had their corp wallets cleaned out now? 2 times? 3 times?
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I'll speak to the "bait" part since I mentioned it earlier. The purpose of the "bait" isn't really tied to it's overall value. It is just a way of participating in the event without taking out other miners. Just a little fun, much like killing otherwise defenseless miners is fun for others. Different strokes for different folks though right?
Edit:
Unrelated to the quoted; for anyone interested in total ships destroyed, this URL appears to list them: hulkageddon2.griefwatch.net/
The miner in me sympathizes with those who have lost ships, but I almost feel bad for getting a chuckle out of the whole thing.
-mklinic
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Do something wrong, no one forgets"
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Fair enough,
I just wasnt sure if you meant that they'd use them as bait for the purposes of profit. From the simple perspective of "having fun" however, I can see this tactic being used by folks with tons of ISK perhaps.
Get a clue... Try to wardec the united or final agony (currently nr 1 and 2 in the contest). I can reveal for you that both corps are huge, most pilots are top 5000 on battleclinic, 75% of them fly carriers, and final agony even has a titan. On top of that I can also reveal for you that most of these guys are -10 sec status and therefore never hang around in high sec (except when killing miners)
dont know much about final agony, but i wouldnt be surprised the only reason the united is so high up on the battleclinic list is because of their smartbombing gatecamps. From what i've seen and heard, they are a sorry bunch who only pvp for profit and very little for fun. Also how many times have they had their corp wallets cleaned out now? 2 times? 3 times?
Make a gang, go to amamake belt 3-1, wait 10 min and you will know.
Get a clue... Try to wardec the united or final agony (currently nr 1 and 2 in the contest). I can reveal for you that both corps are huge, most pilots are top 5000 on battleclinic, 75% of them fly carriers, and final agony even has a titan. On top of that I can also reveal for you that most of these guys are -10 sec status and therefore never hang around in high sec (except when killing miners)
dont know much about final agony, but i wouldnt be surprised the only reason the united is so high up on the battleclinic list is because of their smartbombing gatecamps. From what i've seen and heard, they are a sorry bunch who only pvp for profit and very little for fun. Also how many times have they had their corp wallets cleaned out now? 2 times? 3 times?
Make a gang, go to amamake belt 3-1, wait 10 min and you will know.
i would if it wasnt so far away from already good hunting systems such as heydeiles and old man star. And waiting in a belt will only get you ganked, which btw plenty of corps out there can do without having pilots in the top 5000 in BC.
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I support Hulkageddon !!
It really shows how amazing Eve's community is, and it proves how much of an effect one player can have on the Eve Universe.
I think this really highlights the creativity one can find in a free form sandbox game. I'd like to see the miners respond to this in their own creative manner with their own event.
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Hulkageddon got me into a pvp video! ( well, as much as shooting miners qualifies as pvp, though I did find the wormhole featured in the video which I'm quite proud of - just because you think you're 10 jumps from the nearest lowsec doesn't mean you are, in fact, 10 jumps from the nearest lowsec)
I can sympathize with the miners but I've had my share of failed ganks during this event and I can tell you firsthand there's plenty they can do to cover their asses, so whatever. I do think this event really showcases sandbox gameplay and I wouldn't be surprised if CCP spins in that way. A group of players organized an event that is having an effect on the entire game with absolutely no intervention whatsoever from the devs. That's just not something you see in a themepark game, at all.
No, not really. About 30% of all pyerite comes from mining. Less than 50% of all tritanium, 30% of mexallon, 20% isogen, 20% nocxium..
See a trend there?
Also, keep telling yourself that you aren't getting ganked by experienced pirates. It makes your whine about it all the more funny.
you know, as Eve is a player driven economy, exactly where are the rest of the minerals coming from then, if the miners actually mine so little of it ? the joke about the experienced pirates bit was amusing though... half the time their ships drop t1 rubbish.. barely worth looting
have you even read a QEN since they started publishing them? A good majority of minerals are injected into the game via reprocessed mission loot. Good job making yourself look like an idiot
One appropriate response might be for someone to organize the miners to go on strike and not supply minerals to the economy for a period of time. Would drive up prices across the board making purchase of new ships more challenging.
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