MMORPG is single handedly destroying all credibility of this industry. "Quote: "Still, as we've said numerous times, subscriptions aren't everything" Sorry but PAID subscriptions of MILLIONS of players ARE the votes that pay the bills for this industry. Got that ? So you PISS on those players ... Nothing more nothing less.
Hmm, I think it's likely you took that out of context on purpose, but I'll humor you.
All that I meant there was that when choosing a game of the year, we weren't going strictly by subscriber numbers. It's that simple. Nothing more, nothing less.
Congrats EVE. well deserved. Now if only i could stand playing you lol
Currently Playing: Fallen Earth Played and liked: TCOS, Vanguard, Guild Wars, DDO Played and didn't like: CO, MO, STO, DF, AoC, WAR, WoW, EQ2, EVE, most f2p Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, Secret World
Peter Luger's Steakhouse has been voted best steakhouse in NYC 24 years in a row by the Zagat Survey, even though I'm sure new steakhouses open every year here. This award wasn't for best new game, but best game period.
The standard the media industry has come to is the GOTY has to be released on that year. You never see GOTY be taken from one gme for the past 20 years or even the same film etc etc.
Peter Luger's Steakhouse has been voted best steakhouse in NYC 24 years in a row by the Zagat Survey, even though I'm sure new steakhouses open every year here. This award wasn't for best new game, but best game period.
The standard the media industry has come to is the GOTY has to be released on that year. You never see GOTY be taken from one gme for the past 20 years or even the same film etc etc.
Big player in "the industry," are you?
Seriously though, We have a Best New Game category where we named a best game of 2009. Just because their launch years pass doesn't make games irrelevant, especially MMOs. I can see if you were talking about the single player game industry, this would make sense, but in the ever changing and evolving world of MMOs limiting the field to games released in a single year would be irresponsible.
Bottom line: films and single player games are static, MMOs aren't.
Peter Luger's Steakhouse has been voted best steakhouse in NYC 24 years in a row by the Zagat Survey, even though I'm sure new steakhouses open every year here. This award wasn't for best new game, but best game period.
The standard the media industry has come to is the GOTY has to be released on that year. You never see GOTY be taken from one gme for the past 20 years or even the same film etc etc.
This isn't the Academy awards Sherlock, things are a little different in the world of on going mmos. A movie begins and ends, usually within three hours. EVE is still running, and continues to be improved dramatically year after year.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
One of the biggest things about MMO's (like it or not) is that the majority of people will not go back to a game that they have tried, and not liked. So how can a game this old, better or not, be considered the best game of the year?
Maybe for some brand new MMO players that are just getting started? But that still leaves out the millions that are subscribed to games now. As stated subs are not everything, but dang, they sure are SOMETHING. Can not just ignore them:)
Not playing EVE nor WOW, or any other game right now. But for sure EVE would not be a game i would go back to over LOTRO, or even WOW.
"follow up wow", ha , i thought best game is supposed to have these factors in mind :design quality, fun, popularity, continued progress and more , if wow still holds high in : quality , design , progress areas i think ppl should start playing some stand alone games , like freecel .
I am ok with eve , played eve and loved every minute , but follow up is clearly based on other criterias then those posted , becouse let's be serios excepting the community , any other thing in that game is old , ideas are old and gathered from other mmos , the graphics are old , the engine is old , so why is wow on second ? i don;t get it , i prefer aion or lotr on second place , even wizzard 101 is newer and more fun then wow.But i suppose us player's still berefer things like wack the molle games ( suppose this is a mainly us players gaming site)
sry for gramatical mistakes english is not native language
As stated subs are not everything, but dang, they sure are SOMETHING. Can not just ignore them:)
Yes they can just ignore sub numbers, that's the whole point. They were not awarding any game with "mmo of the year with the most subs".
This is not about sub numbers, say it after me.... this is not about sub numbers.
EDIT: I responded in a similar way a few days ago, when they had that thread with the top 5 pvp mmos. The author should have worded the title better (and admitted this in the thread), but really I should have taken the time to read through the article before being so critical.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
"follow up wow", ha , i thought best game is supposed to have these factors in mind :design quality, fun, popularity, continued progress and more , if wow still holds high in : quality , design , progress areas i think ppl should start playing some stand alone games , like freecel . EVE has great design, is of good quality, is very fun (being a very subjective criteria of course), is popular though that is not an indcator of quality, continues to advance every year with new features (wormholes, T3 ships this year alone).
I am ok with eve , played eve and loved every minute , but follow up is clearly based on other criterias then those posted , becouse let's be serios excepting the community , any other thing in that game is old , ideas are old and gathered from other mmos , the graphics are old , the engine is old , so why is wow on second ? i don;t get it , i prefer aion or lotr on second place , even wizzard 101 is newer and more fun then wow.But i suppose us player's still berefer things like wack the molle games ( suppose this is a mainly us players gaming site) Who cares if the game is old, its been updated graphically and in terms of content and continues to get better every year. With ambulation and Dust514 on the horizon the future looks better than ever. Nothing against WOW, but EVE is deserving of this year's award. sry for gramatical mistakes english is not native language
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Each patch brings people back or new people, EvE is one of very few MMO's that subs grow and grow over time. It the playerbase is growing all the time CCP are doing something right maybe other people in the MMO industry need to take a step back and see how CCP handles things.
In fact I can only think of EvE for subs growing over time and not going down.
i wonder if u are really playing wow or something that your mind is generating , wow updated graphic , ahahahahaha haa cool one i liked that one , if u really wanna see an updated game to 2008-2009 graphic take a look at entropia , but anyway this is of topic
whatever u will say won;t change my mind wow doesn't diserve his place and it was put there mainly by comunity and not by real arguments like eve
ps: wow expensions , ha wotkl was worst then burning crusade , and destruction will be wors then those two , the financial part of mmo's is taking it's share do not expect to see major changes in any mmos becouse of it
i wonder if u are really playing wow or something that your mind is generating , wow updated graphic , ahahahahaha haa cool one i liked that one , if u really wanna see an updated game to 2008-2009 graphic take a look at entropia , but anyway this is of topic
whatever u will say won;t change my mind wow doesn't diserve his place and it was put there mainly by comunity and not by real arguments like eve ps: wow expensions , ha wotkl was worst then burning crusade , and destruction will be wors then those two , the financial part of mmo's is taking it's share do not expect to see major changes in any mmos becouse of it
ps 2 last post on subject , ja nee
He was talking about EVE, not WoW, because in your other post it certainly looks like you were talking about EVE, not WoW.
I'm not surprised that EVE was picked. mmorpg.com has a good relationship with CCP. Back when the game of the year awards were still picked by the actual players, mmorpg.com would host the awards and CCP would ask all of its players to go to mmorpg.com to vote for EVE. Now that the awards are picked by the staff, it only makes sense they continue to pick EVE as game of the years to appeal to the EVE playerbase.
EVE Online has won mmorpg game of the year award in 2005, 2006, and 2007. It lost it to Lotro in 2008 which may be one of the reasons mmorpg.com decided to pick the awards themselves this time, because we can't upset our EVE online friends, right?
Oh and Wooping, I know of another mmorpg that has a subscriber base that continues to grow and not drop. darn...what was it called again? help me out here...something about a world and war and crafting?
I think it was also growing a tiny bit faster than EVE.
I'm not surprised that EVE was picked. mmorpg.com has a good relationship with CCP. Back when the game of the year awards were still picked by the actual players, mmorpg.com would host the awards and CCP would ask all of its players to go to mmorpg.com to vote for EVE. Now that the awards are picked by the staff, it only makes sense they continue to pick EVE as game of the years to appeal to the EVE playerbase. Oh and Wooping, I know of another mmorpg that has a subscriber base that continues to grow and not drop. darn...what was it called again? help me out here...something about a world and war and crafting?
I think it was also growing a tiny bit faster than EVE.
Wow has lost total subscription numbers. At least when you look at the numbers worldwide.
As stated subs are not everything, but dang, they sure are SOMETHING. Can not just ignore them:)
Yes they can just ignore sub numbers, that's the whole point. They were not awarding any game with "mmo of the year with the most subs".
This is not about sub numbers, say it after me.... this is not about sub numbers.
EDIT: I responded in a similar way a few days ago, when they had that thread with the top 5 pvp mmos. The author should have worded the title better (and admitted this in the thread), but really I should have taken the time to read through the article before being so critical.
No they can not:P
Subs are the amount of people playing and enjoying the game after all. Pretty good indication of how many think it is good don't ya think? Can't just ignore the paying customers, who this is supposed to be all about after all:)
Edit: i am not saying it is ALL about subs, by the way. But you can not ignore them. Not when one game has millions, compared to all the rest at fractions of that.
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Rubbish! Planetside is still the greatest game of all time.
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EVE is still the best MMORPG of 2009 according to a website dedicated to MMORPG.
That has to tell you something.
gratz again EVE, now to try and mine in my WH without getting podded during HULKAGEDDON 2!
Hmm, I think it's likely you took that out of context on purpose, but I'll humor you.
All that I meant there was that when choosing a game of the year, we weren't going strictly by subscriber numbers. It's that simple. Nothing more, nothing less.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
I don't like EVE, but it's a damn good game that deserves Game of the Year.
I'm not here to complete my forum PVP dailies.
Read 2009 Game of the Year.
spacebook is not released yet plz fix that
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Congrats to EVE!
I stopped playing six months ago so that I can game with family and friends but if I could talk them into playing EVE I would go back right now!
A pretty solid choice for game of the year. Personally I could never get into the game but I agree with the choice.
I'm not a big fan of Eve, but I realize it is a well-made game. Congrats to Eve.
Congrats EVE. well deserved. Now if only i could stand playing you lol
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Played and liked: TCOS, Vanguard, Guild Wars, DDO
Played and didn't like: CO, MO, STO, DF, AoC, WAR, WoW, EQ2, EVE, most f2p
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, Secret World
I am not very surprised at the #1 pick (2003) and #2 pick (2004). It really shows how bad the genre needs a few more decent games though.
Peter Luger's Steakhouse has been voted best steakhouse in NYC 24 years in a row by the Zagat Survey, even though I'm sure new steakhouses open every year here. This award wasn't for best new game, but best game period.
The standard the media industry has come to is the GOTY has to be released on that year. You never see GOTY be taken from one gme for the past 20 years or even the same film etc etc.
Peter Luger's Steakhouse has been voted best steakhouse in NYC 24 years in a row by the Zagat Survey, even though I'm sure new steakhouses open every year here. This award wasn't for best new game, but best game period.
The standard the media industry has come to is the GOTY has to be released on that year. You never see GOTY be taken from one gme for the past 20 years or even the same film etc etc.
Big player in "the industry," are you?
Seriously though, We have a Best New Game category where we named a best game of 2009. Just because their launch years pass doesn't make games irrelevant, especially MMOs. I can see if you were talking about the single player game industry, this would make sense, but in the ever changing and evolving world of MMOs limiting the field to games released in a single year would be irresponsible.
Bottom line: films and single player games are static, MMOs aren't.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
Peter Luger's Steakhouse has been voted best steakhouse in NYC 24 years in a row by the Zagat Survey, even though I'm sure new steakhouses open every year here. This award wasn't for best new game, but best game period.
The standard the media industry has come to is the GOTY has to be released on that year. You never see GOTY be taken from one gme for the past 20 years or even the same film etc etc.
This isn't the Academy awards Sherlock, things are a little different in the world of on going mmos. A movie begins and ends, usually within three hours. EVE is still running, and continues to be improved dramatically year after year.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Seems pretty crazy to me:)
One of the biggest things about MMO's (like it or not) is that the majority of people will not go back to a game that they have tried, and not liked. So how can a game this old, better or not, be considered the best game of the year?
Maybe for some brand new MMO players that are just getting started? But that still leaves out the millions that are subscribed to games now. As stated subs are not everything, but dang, they sure are SOMETHING. Can not just ignore them:)
Not playing EVE nor WOW, or any other game right now. But for sure EVE would not be a game i would go back to over LOTRO, or even WOW.
"follow up wow", ha , i thought best game is supposed to have these factors in mind :design quality, fun, popularity, continued progress and more , if wow still holds high in : quality , design , progress areas i think ppl should start playing some stand alone games , like freecel .
I am ok with eve , played eve and loved every minute , but follow up is clearly based on other criterias then those posted , becouse let's be serios excepting the community , any other thing in that game is old , ideas are old and gathered from other mmos , the graphics are old , the engine is old , so why is wow on second ? i don;t get it , i prefer aion or lotr on second place , even wizzard 101 is newer and more fun then wow.But i suppose us player's still berefer things like wack the molle games ( suppose this is a mainly us players gaming site)
sry for gramatical mistakes english is not native language
Yes they can just ignore sub numbers, that's the whole point. They were not awarding any game with "mmo of the year with the most subs".
This is not about sub numbers, say it after me.... this is not about sub numbers.
EDIT: I responded in a similar way a few days ago, when they had that thread with the top 5 pvp mmos. The author should have worded the title better (and admitted this in the thread), but really I should have taken the time to read through the article before being so critical.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
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Well done to EVE and CCP, congratulations on a well deserved award.
EVE just keeps getting bigger and better every year.
MMORPG History:
Playing - EVE Online.
Played (Retired) - AO, SWG, MxO, WoW, RFO, SoR, CoX, EQ2, GW, L2, Vanguard, LotRO, AoC, TCoS, Aion.
Favourite MMO - Pre-CU SWG, 3 Years, 4 Accounts, 2 Pre-CU Jedi (1 Pre-9).
Awaiting - Star Wars: The Old Republic, The Secret World, Earthrise.
I think this is well deserved.
Each patch brings people back or new people, EvE is one of very few MMO's that subs grow and grow over time. It the playerbase is growing all the time CCP are doing something right maybe other people in the MMO industry need to take a step back and see how CCP handles things.
In fact I can only think of EvE for subs growing over time and not going down.
i wonder if u are really playing wow or something that your mind is generating , wow updated graphic , ahahahahaha haa cool one i liked that one , if u really wanna see an updated game to 2008-2009 graphic take a look at entropia , but anyway this is of topic
whatever u will say won;t change my mind wow doesn't diserve his place and it was put there mainly by comunity and not by real arguments like eve
ps: wow expensions , ha wotkl was worst then burning crusade , and destruction will be wors then those two , the financial part of mmo's is taking it's share do not expect to see major changes in any mmos becouse of it
ps 2 last post on subject , ja nee
He was talking about EVE, not WoW, because in your other post it certainly looks like you were talking about EVE, not WoW.
I'm not surprised that EVE was picked. mmorpg.com has a good relationship with CCP. Back when the game of the year awards were still picked by the actual players, mmorpg.com would host the awards and CCP would ask all of its players to go to mmorpg.com to vote for EVE. Now that the awards are picked by the staff, it only makes sense they continue to pick EVE as game of the years to appeal to the EVE playerbase.
EVE Online has won mmorpg game of the year award in 2005, 2006, and 2007. It lost it to Lotro in 2008 which may be one of the reasons mmorpg.com decided to pick the awards themselves this time, because we can't upset our EVE online friends, right?
Oh and Wooping, I know of another mmorpg that has a subscriber base that continues to grow and not drop. darn...what was it called again? help me out here...something about a world and war and crafting?
I think it was also growing a tiny bit faster than EVE.
Gratz to Eve/ My only problem with it is that you have to think too much
And as for those that think number of subs says it all, then I suppose you think American Idol is the best TV program ever made - Scary!
Wow has lost total subscription numbers. At least when you look at the numbers worldwide.
Yes they can just ignore sub numbers, that's the whole point. They were not awarding any game with "mmo of the year with the most subs".
This is not about sub numbers, say it after me.... this is not about sub numbers.
EDIT: I responded in a similar way a few days ago, when they had that thread with the top 5 pvp mmos. The author should have worded the title better (and admitted this in the thread), but really I should have taken the time to read through the article before being so critical.
No they can not:P
Subs are the amount of people playing and enjoying the game after all. Pretty good indication of how many think it is good don't ya think? Can't just ignore the paying customers, who this is supposed to be all about after all:)
Edit: i am not saying it is ALL about subs, by the way. But you can not ignore them. Not when one game has millions, compared to all the rest at fractions of that.